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Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:59 PM
To: Uri Even-Chen
Cc: Ilya Konstantinov; Linux-IL
Subject: Re: Why most people prefer Windows
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Ilya Konstantinov
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 01:53:17AM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Oded Shimon wrote:
It's much much more than that. People are scared of change, they are
scared and revoke anything that is different than the norm, you could
make a PERFECT windows clone in KDE somehow, and let people use that,
Let's answer two arguments in one swoop.
On Saturday, 8 בOctober 2005 01:53, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
If they get used to something, they don't want to change.
This is generally true but is a weak argument. As an example
note how quick everybody converted from WfW-3.11 to Win95
(and it had a
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Amos Shapira wrote:
Most home users care about their own money - once they won't be
able to steal MS products they will start thinking about ways to save
on the price of an MS Office license.
YES! And the day the powers that be will start cracking down on piracy
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
If software freedom is meaningless to you, 95% of the time non-free
software gives you higher value (assuming you have the money :)
I think that's why most people prefer Windows, MS Office and other
non-free softwares. Most
On ה', 2005-10-06 at 21:09 +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 10/6/05, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, but we can't actually use the standard as long as the majority of
people can't read it. And they can't read it because they use MS
Office. You can't send a non-MS-Office-compatible
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 10:56:25AM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote:
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 10:05:56PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
using some version of Windows. I wonder how come most people
companies prefer Windows - is it because they're already used to it, or
because they're afraid of
Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
If software freedom is meaningless to you, 95% of the time non-free
software gives you higher value (assuming you have the money :)
I think that's why most people prefer Windows, MS Office and other
non-free softwares. Most people don't care about software freedom
Oded Shimon wrote:
It's much much more than that. People are scared of change, they are scared
and revoke anything that is different than the norm, you could make a
PERFECT windows clone in KDE somehow, and let people use that, telling em
it's windows and they'd be happy, give them the exact
On 10/8/05, Ilya Konstantinov
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On ה', 2005-10-06 at 21:09 +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
Which just gave me an idea for the OO people - taking a page
out of Firefox' book
Which page? If you're referring to IE View, you're talking about the
No, I was reffering to the
On 10/8/05, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
If software freedom is meaningless to you, 95% of the time non-free
software gives you higher value (assuming you have the money :)
I think that's why most people prefer Windows, MS Office and other
non-free
On 10/3/05, Oded Shimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quite a while without knowing it. it was fine for about a month, till at
And all this time without even installing the Firefox IE theme?
Wow. Good for you!
--Amos
To unsubscribe,
I am also thinking of moving to linux-only for about 10 years now,
both in work and home
(my own system has always had dual os via dual boot, colinux, vmware, etc ..)
1. firefox (even on windows) does not support a lot of israely sites:
my nephue can't play at fun.walla.com, i can't reach yes's
Quoth Erez D:
1. firefox (even on windows) does not support a lot of israely sites: my
nephue can't play at fun.walla.com http://fun.walla.com, i can't reach
yes's program guide, etc
True. Absolutely true. Linux is - alas - not yet for children.
2. OO: even with OO 2.0 beta, i tried reading
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
/me reminds Uri and Peter of an enlightened decision of some people in
Massachusetts, that was already linked to in this thread.
Yes, there is such a standard: Sun has submitted OpenOffice 1's
document format to OASIS as a standard candidate. After some
Oron Peled wrote:
On Wednesday, 5 בOctober 2005 12:54, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I think there should be a standard for office file formats, and the
standard should not be owned by MS.
There is. It is called OpenDocument (by OASIS). Tzafrir already
pointed you to the Massachusetts decision to
Aaron wrote:
The answer from a technical writer is no, not with MS office, not with
OO, not with anything other than pdf.
I had a client that no matter what I did if I sent an office 2000
document to them it never looked right. (we were both using office 2000)
That is why pdf is the only or
On 10/6/05, Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoth Erez D:
what mailer are you using (what is 'Quoth' ? )
1. firefox (even on windows) does not support a lot of israely sites: my
nephue can't play at fun.walla.com http://fun.walla.com, i can't reach yes's program guide, etcTrue.
On 10/6/05, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, but we can't actually use the standard as long as the majority of
people can't read it. And they can't read it because they use MS
Office. You can't send a non-MS-Office-compatible files to such people.
It will not work. They will not
On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 12:50, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
But you can't edit a PDF file with MS Office.
Is there any Free software which can edit PDF files and convert them
to other formats?
As previously stated, KWord from the KDE Office suite can open and edit
PDF documents, and then save
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Aaron wrote:
The answer from a technical writer is no, not with MS office, not with
OO, not with anything other than pdf.
I had a client that no matter what I did if I sent an office 2000
document to them it never looked right. (we were both using
Quoth Erez D:
what mailer are you using (what is 'Quoth' ? )
mutt and thunderbird. quoth from mutt.
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On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:41:54PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
And recently Massachusetts declared it to be the official documents
format for all govrement workers as of 2007. Which probably means
MS-Office will be forced to support it as well by then.
And what happens until 2007? They
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:52:31PM +0200, Erez D wrote:
On 10/6/05, Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoth Erez D:
what mailer are you using (what is 'Quoth' ? )
OT: some useful tools:
'dict quoth' gives me:
Quoth \Quoth\ (kw[=o]th or kw[u^]th), v. t. [AS. cwe[eth]an, imp
On 06/10/2005, at 13:52, Erez D wrote:
i just wanted to state that OO is the same as word in 'changing
the defualt format'
in word 2003 i can save also in RTF, but if i get a doc in
word2003, i need someone to do that for me. same with getting OO
2.0 format when i only have OO 1.1
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
It's a free market. Then can either support the new standard and still
keep that client or not support it and force the every civil servant to
have OpenOffice (or a different conforming word processor) installed on
his/her desktop.
I agree. It's good to have a standard.
Oded Arbel wrote:
As previously stated, KWord from the KDE Office suite can open and edit
PDF documents, and then save them to any other supported format
(OpenDocument, for example). Granted, you lose a lot of formating - it
doesn't convert the graphics and you lose all non-trivial styling,
Peter wrote:
Is there any Free software which can edit PDF files and convert them
to other formats?
http://www.google.co.il/search?q=convert+pdf+to+html+free
A link to Google doesn't help much. There are many non-free
applications out there. If you check the websites on the Google page
I'm sending again - without the file. Why Linux-IL doesn't receive files?
Uri.
Original Message
Subject: Re: Why most people prefer Windows
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:27:43 +0300
From: Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Speedy Net
To: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I'm trying to send this message again, it didn't work the first time.
Uri.
Dear Uri,
since you sent the message to the list and to me by cc for the second
time, I got the message with the attachment and the list got the message
without the
On 10/6/05, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/6/05, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PDF is the same as a printed document. It's a one way street.
That's the common wizdom but I was surprised to learn that
KOffice can actually open and edit PDF files. I haven't played
with it a
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Peter wrote:
Is there any Free software which can edit PDF files and convert them to
other formats?
http://www.google.co.il/search?q=convert+pdf+to+html+free
A link to Google doesn't help much. There are many non-free
applications out there. If
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I'm sending again - without the file. Why Linux-IL doesn't receive files?
Because we prefer to receive VBA macro viruses via regular email.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
I was not aware that the list doesn't receive files. However, I didn't
receive this message from the list at all (I do receive other messages I
send). So I got the impression that the list didn't receive my message
at all. That's why I sent it again (and then again, without the
On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:22, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Thanks. It is available for Windows?
On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I'm looking for a Free software, as in Capital F. With source code and
everything.
Hmmm... 9 minutes passed and
Oron Peled wrote:
On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:22, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Thanks. It is available for Windows?
On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I'm looking for a Free software, as in Capital F. With source code and
everything.
Hmmm... 9 minutes passed and
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Peter wrote:
Assume you have Office 2000. You compose a Word document using the super
duper templates and one teensy VBA stub you don't even notice or know
about, and which uses a feature not present in W97. You send it to someone
who uses O97. Is it
After sifting through this thread, and the the one that followed
(firefox, etc) it, I'm forced to ask the obvious:
Why did you post this message in the first place?
* You like Windows.
* You rather no spend the time require to learn (?) Firefox (!!!) and/or
OpenOffice.
* You find it acceptable
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Oron Peled wrote:
No. Instead of waiting for some magical law to solve your
problem, you can use free software.
This is what we all do, so we don't have to dance to the tune of
companies (MS or others).
Most people use non-free software. Even
Quoth Peter:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Most people use non-free software. Even FireFox has plugins which are
[snip]
Office format. Word, Excel, Powerpoint - you name it. I can't and
don't want to ignore them.
DID you EVER try OO or are you too scared because it might work
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
It's not just a perception. I checked. And I'm a computer geek,
A computer geek on this list is an OO user ;-)
When I upgraded from Word 97 to Office 2000 I also had some problems of
incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with
Quoth Peter:
I do not agree here. You do not 'educate' correspondents. imho you have
to match them as a client and/or service provider or peer as much as
possible.
Well - it pretty much depends on relationship with the correspondent. If
the correspondent is either your client or supplier -
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 01:42:48AM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
When I upgraded from Word 97 to Office 2000 I also had some problems of
incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with Office
2000. But once you upgrade a document, you don't use it with the old
Office version. So
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
Quoth Peter:
I do not agree here. You do not 'educate' correspondents. imho you have
to match them as a client and/or service provider or peer as much as
possible.
Well - it pretty much depends on relationship with the correspondent. If
the
Gilboa Davara wrote:
After sifting through this thread, and the the one that followed
(firefox, etc) it, I'm forced to ask the obvious:
Why did you post this message in the first place?
* You like Windows.
* You rather no spend the time require to learn (?) Firefox (!!!) and/or
OpenOffice.
* You
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 11:29:33AM +0300, Peter wrote:
For each of the about 100 documents/day produced in a small office, over
the last cca. 3-4 years, including those on backup disks from the
previous 3-4 years, and the Einstein documents since before that ?
About once a month, I see
Peter wrote:
Right. And public libraries, county registrars, notaries, lawyers, the
courts, the police, the government standards office and three dozen
other categories of people who keep records for slightly longer than 2-3
years (not to say more than 2000 years in certain cases) should use
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Paraphrasing on that:
When I upgraded from MS-Word to OOo I also had some problems of
incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with OOo.
But once you upgrade a document, you don't use it with the old
MS-Office version. So you need to upgrade each document
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I think many people on this mailing list are interested in this subject.
Yes, they are. Look at the pretty flames ...
Peter
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On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Peter wrote:
Right. And public libraries, county registrars, notaries, lawyers, the
courts, the police, the government standards office and three dozen other
categories of people who keep records for slightly longer than 2-3 years
(not to say more
Peter wrote:
... And the standard has to be open,
as in free beer.
I agree.
Best Regards,
Uri Even-Chen
Speedy Net
Raanana, Israel.
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: +972-9-7715013
Website: www.uri.co.il
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Paraphrasing on that:
When I upgraded from MS-Word to OOo I also had some problems of
incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with OOo. But once
you upgrade a document, you don't use it with the old MS-Office
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 01:01:48PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Paraphrasing on that:
When I upgraded from MS-Word to OOo I also had some problems of
incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with OOo.
But once you upgrade a document, you don't use it
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:54:07PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I think there should be a standard for office file formats, and the
standard should not be owned by MS. MS don't want a standard, they
don't want to be compatible with other softwares. They own the market.
I think there should
And recently Massachusetts declared it to be the official documents
format for all govrement workers as of 2007. Which probably means
MS-Office will be forced to support it as well by then.
The man in charge paid no attention to the judgement of a US federal
judge in a US federal court and
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 06:18:56PM +0300, Peter wrote:
And recently Massachusetts declared it to be the official documents
format for all govrement workers as of 2007. Which probably means
MS-Office will be forced to support it as well by then.
The man in charge paid no attention to the
On Wednesday, 5 בOctober 2005 12:54, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I think there should be a standard for office file formats, and the
standard should not be owned by MS.
There is. It is called OpenDocument (by OASIS). Tzafrir already
pointed you to the Massachusetts decision to use it. It is
supported
even if the formatting is d.
The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document
I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's
machine?
The answer from a technical writer is no, not with MS office, not with
OO, not with anything other
Well,
I worked as a tecwriter, and there were two shows MS Word and
FrameMaker,
The first is not really a techwriting tool but is used as such, and it
is buggy, and I mean buggy.
The second is a real tool, but a pain to learn and a pain to use.
I personally hate word processors and avoid them
On 10/6/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For profesional use I use DocBook, from docbook I can make html, pdf,
rtf svg to name a few output formats.
How is Hebrew support with DocBook?
If there is any - how do you edit Hebrew DocBook?
--Amos
On 10/5/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
even if the formatting is d.
The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document
I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's
machine?
The answer from a technical writer is no, not with MS
On 10/6/05, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PDF is the same as a printed document. It's a one way street.
That's the common wizdom but I was surprised to learn that
KOffice can actually open and edit PDF files. I haven't played
with it a lot but it looked useable with the one or two
There is supposed to be hebrew support but as far as I know it hasn't
materialized :(
but many xml formats do support hebrew.
Aaron
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 06:49 +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 10/6/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For profesional use I use DocBook, from docbook I can make
So adding one more program to the mix adds that many more things that can be
incompatible.
I am no longer following you here: What do you propose ? Knowing that OO
has the option to save in W97 or W2k format (besides other formats):
Assume you have Office 2000. You compose a Word document
Peter wrote:
So adding one more program to the mix adds that many more things that
can be incompatible.
I am no longer following you here: What do you propose ?
I wasn't proposing anything. I wrote:
Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues.
For people who
Peter wrote:
Assume you have Office 2000. You compose a Word document using the super
duper templates and one teensy VBA stub you don't even notice or know
about, and which uses a feature not present in W97. You send it to
someone who uses O97. Is it compatible ? Is that what you are saying ?
On Tuesday, 4 בOctober 2005 21:59, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
[... long explanation about how MS pushes for upgrade ...]
The only way to overcome it is forcing it by law.
No. Instead of waiting for some magical law to solve your
problem, you can use free software.
This is what we all do, so we don't
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 01:30:46AM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
/me reminds everybody of an enlightened decision of some people in
Massachusetts.
You wrote this sentence twice. What do you mean? Sorry for not
understanding.
I forgot to delete it once.
Anyway, I meant
On 10/4/05, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you the only one providing support? What about the rest of the
family?
Unfortunatly I'm not in a position to provide her all the support by myself
so I have to rely on other's help sometimes, and they don't know anything
about Linux (hardly
On 10/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you
have to install it.
I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from
MS-Office to OpenOffice.
On 10/4/05, Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document
I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's
machine?
Have you tried or are you falling to the same preceived trap these
people tell you about?
On 10/4/05, Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you believe that OpenOffice somehow solves all compatibility
problems, many examples of which you appear to be able to detail, please
let me know how.
It was explained in this thread numerous times: OpenOffice supports
all MS Office format
Oron Peled wrote:
No. Instead of waiting for some magical law to solve your
problem, you can use free software.
This is what we all do, so we don't have to dance to the tune of
companies (MS or others).
Most people use non-free software. Even FireFox has plugins which are
not free. Most
Amos Shapira wrote:
On 10/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you
have to install it.
I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from
On Wednesday, 5 בOctober 2005 00:16, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Which means, I have to be able to read MS Office documents from these
...
I can't and don't want to ignore them.
But you seem to ignore the fact that you *can* do this using
free software. You keep repeating that the conversion is not
Amos Shapira wrote:
My take from your statement is that people just PRECIEVE that OO
is less compatible just because it comes from a different source while
in practice it might have better support for legacy MS documents than
MS Office itself.
It's not just a perception. I checked. And I'm a
Peter's comments are correct. However, the average low-end - not power
MS Office / XP user - relates to Windows in a generic way. In other
words, Windows in KDE is still Windows and OO is still Office.
danny
Peter wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Hi people,
I hope I'm
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 10:05:56PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
using some version of Windows. I wonder how come most people
companies prefer Windows - is it because they're already used to it, or
because they're afraid of changing, or because they want to use a
specific software which is not
On 10/3/05, Anatoly Vorobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's because Windows is easier for them to learn and use than the
alternatives.
That's the exact misconcept the open source community (or actually, almost
any MS rival) has to fight.
My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:36:38PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 10/3/05, Anatoly Vorobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's because Windows is easier for them to learn and use than the
alternatives.
That's the exact misconcept the open source community (or actually, almost
any MS rival) has
On 10/2/05, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this
discussion. My father has a computer with Windows 98, and he asked me
to check it for technical problems. I told him that Windows 98 is old
and obsolete, so he should
Can we please recall that Linux-IL is supposed to be a *technical*
Linux list? Thanks.
Now, on a more positive note - Shana Tova to everybody, whether you
run Red Hat, Gentoo, KDE, GNOME, Emacs, or vi!
--
Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org
Amos Shapira wrote:
My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until today she has no
clue as to what she sees on the screen, even though she somehow manages
to achieve some very basic goals with it. I bet I could have helped her a lot
more remotely if she had a Linux on her desktop but
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 03:54:41PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Amos Shapira wrote:
My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until today she has no
clue as to what she sees on the screen, even though she somehow manages
to achieve some very basic goals with it. I bet I could have
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
And I repeat my earlier question: is there anywhere I can buy a desktop
computer in Israel with Linux pre-installed? Is there a simple (does not
ask questions) for open-office, firefox, thunderbird, 7-zip, gimp and
other good free programs for windows?
Quoting Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sunday, 2 áOctober 2005 22:05, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
... I wonder how come most people companies prefer Windows
- is it, ... or because, ... or because, ... or because
To save all of us time, I suggest you start by reading:
Quoting Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you
have to install it.
I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from
MS-Office to OpenOffice.
I also tried Open Office and went back to MS Office.
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
/me reminds everybody of an enlightened decision of some people in
Massachusses.
You wrote this sentence twice. What do you mean? Sorry for not
understanding.
Firefox on windows? Do you honestly say that you have problems
installing flash on it? What version do you
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's U.S. vs. Microsoft and the very first sentence on screen is :
This document is available in three formats: this web page (for browsing
content), PDF (comparable to original document formatting), and WordPerfect 5.1.
No MS format?
Of course not! LOL!
Uri
Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For
people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different
versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This isn't just a
matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time spent to give it a
Peter wrote:
Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues.
For
people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between
different
versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This
isn't just a
matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time
I'm telling it as they tell me.
People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office document
versions are more likely to try something else in the hope the document
will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the formatting is d.
The document I receive is only one part.
On Tuesday, 4 בOctober 2005 00:30, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
OK, I tried now and installed the Flash plug-in, but it should come
with it pre-installed like in MS IE.
Last time I had a new windows(XP) 'puter to play with it didn't come
with flash installed. When I got to a flash web site it
Peter wrote:
I'm telling it as they tell me.
People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office
document versions are more likely to try something else in the hope
the document will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the
formatting is d.
The document I receive
Hi people,
I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this
discussion. My father has a computer with Windows 98, and he asked me
to check it for technical problems. I told him that Windows 98 is old
and obsolete, so he should either upgrade to Windows XP or start using
On Sunday, 2 בOctober 2005 22:05, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
... I wonder how come most people companies prefer Windows
- is it, ... or because, ... or because, ... or because
To save all of us time, I suggest you start by reading:
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm
It will
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Hi people,
I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this
discussion. My father has a computer with Windows 98, and he asked me
to check it for technical problems. I told him that Windows 98 is old
and obsolete, so he should
On Sunday October 2 2005 22:05, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this
Ouch! Oi! Aiieee!
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Sincerely Yours,
Michael Vasiliev
If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?
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