Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Friday, Aug 29, 2003, at 23:10 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: OS-X does not have virtual desktops. When you have virtual desktops you don't urgently need all of those workarounds just to clear some space. Let's see. My Mac right now has 12 virtual desktops (via a free add-on) and my

re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
Why would anyone need to click just to bring a window into focus? I never do that. Whenever I bring the mouse cursos into a window it will come into focus. Yeah, and you know how many times I brought into focus windows which I didn't intend to? Why do you minimize windows at all? I never need

RE: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 13:10 Asia/Jerusalem, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Actually I'm not sure that MACs nobody needs more than one button on mouse Actually, they said that no beginner needs a two button mouse. And if you ever gave tech support to beginners (or not-so-beginners) you will

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Oded Arbel
On Saturday 30 August 2003 23:50, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: and that means nice looking, _responsive_, stable GUIs. _stable_ :-) Well, that was my underline, you can go and underline your own sentences ;-) seriously, I think X is stable enough - IIRC last time X crashed on me for no obvious

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Oded Arbel
On Saturday 30 August 2003 19:41, Nadav Har'El wrote: I have Voodoo3 card on my Duron (700MHz,256MB) which is a very good 3D card (for its age) and also has some 2D acceleration. moving any kind of window - even simple single color boxes results in visible artifact trails. redraw under

RE: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Kovriga, Gregory
There was quite a discussion about that on XFree86 mailing list last month. As far as I understood from the discussion there are several contributors to XFree86 behavior compared to Windows/OSX (in random order): * Kernel process switching * Toolkit implementation (which is my opinion is the most

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2003-08-31 Thread Vadim Vygonets
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Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
SF Actually, they said that no beginner needs a two button mouse. SF And if you ever gave tech support to beginners (or SF not-so-beginners) you will appreciate that. The OS supports out Come on. I gave support to five year child (the real one, not proverbial) and she was perfectly able to know

Re: Cost of qt development license

2003-08-31 Thread Meir Kriheli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 31 August 2003 14:54, Aviram Jenik wrote: Hi, We are currently debating oEnterprisenfrastructure to use for one of our products, and the main downside of qt seems to be its constraining license. Can anyone shed more light on this

Re: Cost of qt development license

2003-08-31 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
At 17:54 31.08.2003 +0300, Aviram Jenik wrote: Hi, We are currently debating on what GUI infrastructure to use for one of our products, and the main downside of qt seems to be its constraining license. Can anyone shed more light on this subject? How much does the qt license cost to develop a

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Ori Idan
I think the Herouth is right. Apple has done a lot of research regarding the user interface. Unfortunately most Linux desktops follow the path microsoft took. Microsoft is known for not listenning to there users, so why follow them? I myself do not use the mac and thus more acustomed to having

Re: Cost of qt development license

2003-08-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Aviram Jenik wrote: Hi, We are currently debating on what GUI infrastructure to use for one of our products, and the main downside of qt seems to be its constraining license. Can anyone shed more light on this subject? How much does the qt license cost to develop a

Cost of qt development license

2003-08-31 Thread Aviram Jenik
Hi, We are currently debating on what GUI infrastructure to use for one of our products, and the main downside of qt seems to be its constraining license. Can anyone shed more light on this subject? How much does the qt license cost to develop a non-GPL product that uses qt library? Does it

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 12:43, Oded Arbel wrote: On Saturday 30 August 2003 10:02, John Rabkin wrote: Aaaah yes. The age old argument. I cannot understand for the life of me why some people are on a crusade to bog Linux down with eye-candy. A flashy interface is a sure sign of a weak

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Boris Gorelik
On Sunday 31 August 2003 14:31, Ori Idan wrote: I myself do not use the mac and thus more acustomed to having the menu on each window but I think it would be easy to get used to having the menu on top of the screen and I also think is is more logical to have the menu at a fixed place, this

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2003-08-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 06:52:11AM -0400, Vadim Vygonets wrote: Quoth Tzafrir Cohen on Sun, Aug 31, 2003: On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 01:34:35AM -0400, Vadim Vygonets wrote: Except some of us use tty-based mailers (for various reasons), and UNIX does not support Unicode natively yet. And

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:41, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:13:03AM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: On Monday 25 August 2003 10:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The things I think are the most useful in the OS-X interface are: 1. The ability to sort of zoom out where all the

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Ori Idan wrote about Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements): I myself do not use the mac and thus more acustomed to having the menu on each window but I think it would be easy to get used to having the menu on top of the screen and I also

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks

2003-08-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 12:05:12PM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: On Sunday 31 August 2003 08:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why try and go in the same direction? Why the comparison? Because I found the features I mentioned as useful (contrary to transparent menus, for instance, which I don't

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Re: ñåó äãéåï äîùòîí

2003-08-31 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Tzafrir Cohen on Sun, Aug 31, 2003: On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 01:34:35AM -0400, Vadim Vygonets wrote: Except some of us use tty-based mailers (for various reasons), and UNIX does not support Unicode natively yet. And support for Hebrew in UNIX is much less advanced than support for

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Re: OS-X rules, X sucks

2003-08-31 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sunday 31 August 2003 08:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why try and go in the same direction? Why the comparison? Because I found the features I mentioned as useful (contrary to transparent menus, for instance, which I don't quite understand what's the big glick about them). They are

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 02:59:01AM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: On Saturday 30 August 2003 23:50, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: and that means nice looking, _responsive_, stable GUIs. _stable_ :-) Well, that was my underline, you can go and underline your own sentences ;-) seriously, I think X

Re: 2D vs. 3D (was OS-X rules, X sucks)

2003-08-31 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Friday 29 August 2003 13:33, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: they map each window as a texture map over a rectangular 3D object using the graphic's hardware 3D acceleration mode. I have a (perhaps offtopic, but I changed the topic :-)) question - why is it that hardware acceleration for 3D

Re: Cost of qt development license

2003-08-31 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Sunday 31 August 2003 17:54, Aviram Jenik wrote: Hi, We are currently debating on what GUI infrastructure to use for one of our products, and the main downside of qt seems to be its constraining license. Can anyone shed more light on this subject? How much does the qt license cost to

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming Blitz of Announcements)

2003-08-31 Thread Oron Peled
On Sunday 31 August 2003 10:24, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: e.g.: X has some infrastructure for 3d-graphgics. But not yet any extention to make the client, window-manager and server agree on such accelerated zooming. Not to mention that many servers lack hardware acceleration ATM. The problems Oded

Re: Cost of qt development license

2003-08-31 Thread guy keren
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Aviram Jenik wrote: We are currently debating on what GUI infrastructure to use for one of our products, and the main downside of qt seems to be its constraining license. Can anyone shed more light on this subject? How much does the qt license cost to develop a non-GPL