Re: [pfSense] pfSense 2.1 and KVM: TCP connection timeout

2013-10-09 Thread Goofy79
We have exact the same Problem. Timeouts in our SSH connections. I tried it over the DSL Modem to a Server in the iNet and over a DMZ interface to an Server in the DMZ. to both Linux Servers timeouts with the SSH. If i try my old Netgear Firewall, all works fine ? Goofy

Re: [pfSense] 2.1 - strange minor issue with OpenVPN

2013-10-09 Thread Olivier Mascia
Le 8 oct. 2013 à 16:45, Jim Pingle li...@pingle.org a écrit : On 10/7/2013 9:21 AM, Olivier Mascia wrote: Have you an idea what I should look for about this issue (see linked print-screen)? All my OpenVPN services report an error contacting the daemon, both on the status page (as in

Re: [pfSense] rrd error after upgrade to 2.1

2013-10-09 Thread Vick Khera
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:11 AM, İhsan Doğan ih...@dogan.ch wrote: I'll try to upgrade to 64-bit again. What will happen: the upgrade will finish, but there's no way for the system to tell you or auto-reboot. Once you're sure it is done, you need to reset the machine to reboot it.

[pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
Dear pfsense-team, today I posted the following on your blog at http://blog.pfsense.org/?p=712 Worried User Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. October 9th, 2013 at 7:55 am Hi guys, I want to ask if you have been approached by any US

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Mehma Sarja
Dear Worried user, Since pfSense is opensource, please check the code and report back if there are any backdoors or nasty stuff in there. Thanks for being a conscientious user and not wanting to shift work onto others. Mehma On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Thinker Rix

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Paul Kunicki
I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has merit and deserves response although I doubt the NSA really needs cooperation from these guys. Does anyone else care to comment ? Paul Kunicki Network

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Peter van Arkel
Since pfSense is opensource, please check the code and report back if there are any backdoors or nasty stuff in there. Thanks for being a conscientious user and not wanting to shift work onto others. To be honest, I understand the question from the worried user, especially if his comment

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:20:11AM -0400, Paul Kunicki wrote: I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has merit and deserves response although I doubt the NSA really needs cooperation from these

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 18:20, Paul Kunicki wrote: I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has merit and deserves response Exactly, Paul, you got my point! although I doubt the NSA really needs cooperation

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
(TIC mode: on) I think it’s obvious that: - ESF is a front for the NSA - the acquisition which closed last year was really just about gaining control of a critical component of Internet infrastructure. - the delays getting 2.1 out the door were exclusively about getting some last-minute

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Pingle
On 10/9/2013 11:32 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: From the news i've read... a couple of questions for the pfsense developers come to mind: 1. Random Number generation - NSA is reported to have weakened several random number generators and/or introduced vulnerabilities. - What is used in

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 19:03, Jim Thompson wrote: (TIC mode: on) Sorry, but I guess the whole matter - not only concerning pfSense, but the current threat to our civilization by our criminal governments as a whole - is much too serious for any TIC-modes..

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 19:03, Jim Thompson wrote: (TIC mode: on) Sorry, but I guess the whole matter - not only concerning pfSense, but the current threat to our civilization by our criminal governments as a whole - is much too serious for any TIC-modes..

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Walter Parker
The big problem with asking the question Has the NSA required you to add a back door? is that no small company that wants to say in business can or will say yes (If they do, no one will trust/use the product unless forced themselves). The company will agree/be forced to say no. How does one tell

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:10:00PM -0400, Jim Pingle wrote: On 10/9/2013 11:32 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: From the news i've read... a couple of questions for the pfsense developers come to mind: 1. Random Number generation - NSA is reported to have weakened several random number

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: My main question was not if the code includes bad things, but if the company behind pfSense has been approached (yet) by authorities to comply with their Orwellian global police state phantasy. already answered.

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Adam Thompson
Argh. Anyone who answered Yes to your question (correctly, mind you) would immediately be committing a federal crime. Considering the consequences, no-one in their right mind would ever confirm that they had been approached or received a NSL. Which makes asking the question quite irrelevant.

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread David Burgess
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: So asking the question is stupid(*), because a lie is indistinguishable from the truth. I disagree on that point. Even if one is sure to get a no answer, regardless of the truth, it is still useful to ask the question for

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Christian Borchert
Linus Torvalds was asked the same question in a QA session about linux. He said 'no' while nodding his head up and down. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: David Burgess apt@gmail.com Sender: list-bounces@lists.pfsense.orgDate: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 10:46:10 To:

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:42:31AM -0500, Adam Thompson wrote: Argh. Anyone who answered Yes to your question (correctly, mind you) would immediately be committing a federal crime. All assuming the company in question resides in the US, or has significant presence in the US. There is, of

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:50:53PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote: IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in stroking their own ego. Sorry, this is not BS. The situation has changed, and we have to adapt. It doesn’t contribute anything to the project. It

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:46 PM, David Burgess apt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: So asking the question is stupid(*), because a lie is indistinguishable from the truth. I disagree on that point. Even if one is sure to get a no

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
Hi Jim, thank you for your quick reply! On 2013-10-09 18:59, Jim Pingle wrote: On 10/9/2013 11:20 AM, Paul Kunicki wrote: I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has merit and deserves response

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
Hello Jim! Thank you for your answer. On 2013-10-09 19:38, Jim Thompson wrote: No, the NSA hasn't approached us about pfSense, or adding a back door, or anything similar. Nor has anyone else. Do you work for Electric Sheep Fencing LLC, i.e. is this the official answer of the company to my

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Walter Parker
About that made in the USA thing, the NSA has deals with overseas companies as well... Plus, the GCHQ and several other foreign spy agency's have done similar things, so if you starting asking, you discover that the major governments are trying to do this and have succeed more often than we would

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jeppe Øland
I also understand your point though, since the software is OSS, it should be fairly easy to check for backdoors :) Yes, you *could* check. But does anybody? Check the *entire* code and get the big picture? Realistically speaking, that wouldn't be enough anyways. What is the percentage of

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Gé Weijers
Some people in this discussion assume that the principals of ESF could not be forced to lie by the US government, under threat of lawsuits, financial ruin, incarceration and not seeing their children grow up. I find this assumption awfully naive. I think it's unlikely that ESF was even asked to

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:50:53PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote: IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in stroking their own ego. Sorry, this is not BS. The situation has changed, and we have

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hello Jim! Thank you for your answer. On 2013-10-09 19:38, Jim Thompson wrote: No, the NSA hasn’t approached us about pfSense, or adding a “back door”, or anything similar. Nor has anyone else. Do you work for

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
Hi Adam, On 2013-10-09 19:42, Adam Thompson wrote: Which makes asking the question quite irrelevant. I do not think so. Greetings Thinker Rix ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org http://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hello Jim! On 2013-10-09 19:50, Jim Thompson wrote: IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in stroking their own ego. This is already the second time that you insult me

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 20:04, Walter Parker wrote: About that made in the USA thing, the NSA has deals with overseas companies as well... Plus, the GCHQ and several other foreign spy agency's have done similar things, so if you starting asking, you discover that the major governments are trying to do

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 17:20, Thinker Rix wrote: Dear pfsense-team, I want to ask if you have been approached by any US government officials, such as NSA, FBI, etc. and been asked/ forced to include any backdoors, spyware, loggers, etc. into pfsense and if you did so. Hello all! Thank you for all

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: On 2013-10-09 20:04, Walter Parker wrote: About that made in the USA thing, the NSA has deals with overseas companies as well... Plus, the GCHQ and several other foreign spy agency's have done similar things, so if

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 20:16, Gé Weijers wrote: Some people in this discussion assume that the principals of ESF could not be forced to lie by the US government, under threat of lawsuits, financial ruin, incarceration and not seeing their children grow up. Gee, quite a frightening regime. Someone

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 20:22, Jim Thompson wrote: On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hello Jim! On 2013-10-09 19:50, Jim Thompson wrote: IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in stroking their own ego. This is already the

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 19:49, Christian Borchert wrote: Linus Torvalds was asked the same question in a QA session about linux. He said 'no' while nodding his head up and down. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Exactly. Frightening, isn't it? Awkwardly the audience started laughing about that...

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 20:18, Jim Thompson wrote: On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hello Jim! Thank you for your answer. On 2013-10-09 19:38, Jim Thompson wrote: No, the NSA hasn’t approached us about pfSense, or adding a “back door”, or anything similar. Nor

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: We all know that the governments currently force on a daily base one company after the other to comply to their New World Order-Orwellian-global-surveillance phantasies and make them compromise their software or

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 19:42, Adam Thompson wrote: Argh. Anyone who answered Yes to your question (correctly, mind you) would immediately be committing a federal crime. Considering the consequences, no-one in their right mind would ever confirm that they had been approached or received a NSL. Well, some

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Walter Parker
To answer your question about throwing the first stone. Your question reads a bit like the Are you a criminal/commie? questions. Many people would object to the question at the start because it implies that the people being asked the question has done something wrong. Watching the reactions to

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 07:17:25PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote: Sorry, this is not BS. The situation has changed, and we have to adapt. The situation did not change with the Snowden revelations. Anyone following along has known what was going on for at least the last decade. The difference

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 20:16, Gé Weijers wrote: I think it's unlikely that ESF was even asked to cooperate, but I don't believe a denial is all that useful under the circumstances, and asking for it again and again is obnoxious. Having thought about it again and again, I would like to feedback to you

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Ian Bowers
You got your answer of no a while back. But you're still talking. What are you going to do with the answer now that you have it? What's YOUR plan? -Ian On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.comwrote: On 2013-10-09 20:16, Gé Weijers wrote: I think it's unlikely

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 07:53:24PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote: Also, the source of git would also reveal a problem when examined. To get around that one starts hypothesizing the sort of globe-spanning conspiracy against which one might as well give up (well, maybe all my compilers (not just

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 22:11, Ian Bowers wrote: You got your answer of no a while back. But you're still talking. What are you going to do with the answer now that you have it? What's YOUR plan? -Ian - Well, actually it was not s long ago that I got a clear answer - Commonly I talk as much as

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread David Ross
On 10/9/13 11:56 AM, Thinker Rix wrote: 1. Recently they forced the small encrypted-email-service Lavabit to comply with them (hand out their SSL-masterkeys install a black-box at their premises). Lavabit did not agree - and they shut him down. Actually they didn't shut him down. Per news

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
Hi Walter, On 2013-10-09 21:53, Walter Parker wrote: To answer your question about throwing the first stone. Your question reads a bit like the Are you a criminal/commie? questions. Many people would object to the question at the start because it implies that the people being asked the

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Ian Bowers
Is ideas on how to secure yourself and your network the sort of thing you're looking for? A plan or a sense of direction, something like that? Because you've been focusing on things that do achieve these ends. How can the pfSense community help you solve your pfSense related problem, or was it

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Pim van Stam
All, Can this flame be put to an end or continued via private mail? This endless discussion would be reason for me to unsubscribe and that's not the goal of the list i guess. Regards, Pim On 9 okt. 2013, at 22:26, Thinker Rix wrote: Hi Walter, On 2013-10-09 21:53, Walter Parker wrote:

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Walter Parker
But, your initial question was not What level of security and integrity is provided by pfSense? or How do judge the safety and security of pfSense? Your question was Has pfSense been compromised by Big Brother? In the context of your Bank question it reads more like Have you been robbed yet? or

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Thinker Rix
On 2013-10-09 23:43, Pim van Stam wrote: All, Can this flame be put to an end or continued via private mail? This endless discussion would be reason for me to unsubscribe and that's not the goal of the list i guess. Regards, Pim Hi Pim, first of all: Generally - sorry for disturbing you.

[pfSense] [MOTION TO END THREAD] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Yehuda Katz
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.comwrote: Can this flame be put to an end or continued via private mail? But: Interpreting your message, I guess you are participating at this mailing list with a mail reader that just pours all incoming mail into one folder -

Re: [pfSense] [MOTION TO END THREAD] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Christian Borchert
I third. Motion passes! On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jason Whitt jason.wh...@gmail.com wrote: I second this motion ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org [mailto: list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org] *On Behalf Of *Yehuda Katz *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2013

Re: [pfSense] [MOTION TO END THREAD] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Joseph Landman
Third Please pardon brevity and typos ... Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Jason Whitt jason.wh...@gmail.com wrote: I second this motion *From:* list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org [ mailto:list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org] *On Behalf Of *Yehuda

[pfSense] SIP problems.

2013-10-09 Thread palesius .
To take a break from all the NSA talk... I'm having some trouble routing traffic over an openvpn tunnel between two pfsense firewalls. Asterisk server on one end, a couple of different phones on the other side. It was working fine when we had monowall on both ends. (W/ipsec tunnel) Since

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Przemysław Pawełczyk
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:05:22 +0300 Thinker Rix thinke...@rocketmail.com wrote: Well, actually I started this thread with a pretty frank, straight-forward and very simple question. That's right and they were justified. BTW, you pushed to the corner the (un)famous American hubris (Obama: US is

[pfSense] [Filters engaged]

2013-10-09 Thread Joe Landman
I just worked out setting up new filters for the recent S/N destroying, high tin-foil-hat content, on gmail. Since people pleading for this to go away hasn't worked, technological measures to restore S/N for my inbox on this list have been engaged. Please folks, take the tin foil hat

[pfSense] Alix Update 2.0.3 to 2.1 fails with 11 interfaces (/var full)

2013-10-09 Thread Jens Kühnel
Hi, My questions: Has anyone successfully updated a PFSense on an Alix board with 10 or more interfaces (2 phy, 8 VLANs, 1 WAN). Or is running a PFSense 2.1 setup like this successfully? Reason: I just upgrade my home firewall from PFSense 2.0.3 to 2.1 (Nano 2G Serial) running on a Alix board.

Re: [pfSense] [Filters engaged]

2013-10-09 Thread Chris L
On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Joe Landman land...@scalableinformatics.com wrote: I just worked out setting up new filters for the recent S/N destroying, high tin-foil-hat content, on gmail. Since people pleading for this to go away hasn't worked, technological measures to restore S/N for my

Re: [pfSense] IPSEC Transport mode help

2013-10-09 Thread Chris Buechler
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Roy Hocknull r...@royandjoanne.co.uk wrote: Hi, I am having trouble setting up an IPSEC transport mode connection. My traffic is still going over the public internet and not down the encrypted link. Does anyone have any guidance on how to set an IPSEC

Re: [pfSense] pfSense 2.1 and KVM: TCP connection timeout

2013-10-09 Thread Chris Buechler
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Goofy79 go...@gmx.li wrote: We have exact the same Problem. Timeouts in our SSH connections. I tried it over the DSL Modem to a Server in the iNet and over a DMZ interface to an Server in the DMZ. to both Linux Servers timeouts with the SSH. First guess,

Re: [pfSense] Alix Update 2.0.3 to 2.1 fails with 11 interfaces (/var full)

2013-10-09 Thread David Burgess
On Oct 9, 2013 7:05 PM, Jens Kühnel pfse...@jens.kuehnel.org wrote: NanoBSD, update 2.1 and embedded, but could not find anything. I also checked the forum, but I could only find file system full when I too came up dry when researching this issue. I ended up grabbing a spare system and

Re: [pfSense] NSA: Is pfSense infiltrated by big brother NSA or others?

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Schuh
@Chris L i am not responsible, if you didn't get it. if one comes to me with worries about an completely free open source system by using an Closed Source SHIT. this is ridoculous He should first consider his Closed Source Shit. Now i find also his nick misleading, he should name NON-Thinker!