[WSG] XHTML Gallery background changes by rollover

2006-05-23 Thread Michael Persson
Dear online friends, I need to make an effect that use to be very simple in HTML to my new XHTML strict pages of new development websites. I have before used a iframe where i rollvoer icons inside the iframe pages, i feel that this was the worst solution but i used it. I will now start to

Re: [WSG] XHTML Gallery background changes by rollover

2006-05-23 Thread Mathew Patterson
On 23/5/2006, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear online friends, I need to make an effect that use to be very simple in HTML to my new XHTML strict pages of new development websites. I will now start to develop some new websites and i need the effect of the similarity to gallery

RE: SPAM-LOW: RE: SPAM-LOW: RE: [WSG] Floats not working right in IE6 - can you help me find out why?

2006-05-23 Thread Michael Kear
Thanks Peter, but the only 12 errors on the page are repeated p tags or the placement of them in the wrong place (i.e in the middle of a paragraph). I cant see how that could be causing the problem of a difference between IE6 and Firefox on this home page of the site. IF anyone still feels like

Re: [WSG] Multiple columns

2006-05-23 Thread Designer
Hi Angus, Visually Insane Genetically Modified Organism wrote: This might be off topic so please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am working on converting a calendar that fits my needs a little closer and What I understand to be a simpler code that probably will work in browsers from IE 5.x and

[WSG] div#links, or #links?

2006-05-23 Thread Designer
In a different context, Mathew Patterson wrote: I would suggest you look at Eric Myer's website, here: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html I've noticed before that Mr Meyer quite often uses stuff like: [1] div#links a:hover img {position: absolute; etc.

Re: [WSG] div#links, or #links?

2006-05-23 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Designer wrote: I've noticed before that Mr Meyer quite often uses stuff like: [1] div#links a:hover img {position: absolute; etc. whereas I would just say : [2] #links a:hover img {position: absolute; etc. I find myself being intrigued as to why he does this. Is

[WSG] Faux Columns sorted!

2006-05-23 Thread David Moyle
Hey all again I finally get the whole faux columns idea, seems a stupid way and in this day and age youd expect we could do something as simple, but alas were still learning! Ive had many off-list and on-list e-mails with ideas, encouragement and tips. Many thanks to everyone on the

RE: [WSG] Floats not working right in IE6 - can you help me find out why?

2006-05-23 Thread Stuart Homfray
Michael Kear wrote: My new site is not displaying correctly in IE6, but working fine in Firefox http://incheckdb.com http://incheckdb.com/ The Around the site box at the bottom should be almost touching the left side underneath the main nav menu (and it does in Firefox) but doesn't. page:

Re: [WSG] Floats not working right in IE6 - can you help me find out why?

2006-05-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Michael Kear wrote: The content of the page is flowing around the menu (which is inside the content div and floated left) in Firefox, but isn't flowing in IE. So see what I mean, go to http://incheckdb.com http://incheckdb.com/ The Around the site box at the bottom should be almost touching

[WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
sarcastic pony Looks like most efforts towards separation of content and presentation may cause severe accessibility-failures[1] in the future. Looks like there will be no need/use for valid markup either - according to the latest WGAC 2.0 draft. Ref: article on ALA[2]. Time to go back to

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Al Sparber
From: Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] sarcastic pony Looks like most efforts towards separation of content and presentation may cause severe accessibility-failures[1] in the future. Looks like there will be no need/use for valid markup either - according to the latest WGAC 2.0 draft. Ref:

RE: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread David Moyle
That didn't take long, at least its compliant HTML :P I'll sit it out and see what the professionals say. Thanks, David Moyle e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Daniel Champion
Which parts/paths do you think we should choose to follow? As enlightend/informed developers we continue doing what we've been doing. WCAG 2.0 won't make accessible design suddenly inaccessible. A different but related question is which path should we be advising the less enlightened/informed

Re: [WSG] Floats not working right in IE6 - can you help me find out why?

2006-05-23 Thread Stuart Homfray
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Michael Kear wrote: The Around the site box at the bottom should be almost touching the left side underneath the main nav menu (and it does in Firefox) but doesn't. http://incheckdb.com http://incheckdb.com/ Adding... #content {height: auto!important;} ...solves it,

[WSG] cool flash with transparency???

2006-05-23 Thread Michael Persson
HI guys, There is a very nice thing in this flash movie link where a woman zooms in and have a transparency where her hair is transparent and shows the background... anyone knows how it is done in flash?? or is it maybe director shockwave??

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Jake Badger
Which parts/paths do you think we should choose to follow? As enlightend/informed developers we continue doing what we've been doing. WCAG 2.0 won't make accessible design suddenly inaccessible. No, but it might make it fail WCAG 2.0, as using any form of layout where the onscreen flow

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Al Sparber wrote: It's hard to tell who the good guys are :-) http://wcagsamurai.org/ In principle, it's a very good idea for the community to begin addressing accessibility issues and the serious problems with WCAG 2.0 themselves, but my main concern with the the WCAG Samurai is this: |

Re: [WSG] cool flash with transparency???

2006-05-23 Thread Tom Livingston
On 5/23/06 11:09 AM, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a transparency where her hair is transparent and shows the background... Off the top of my head, blue screen/alpha trans. But this is Web standards related how? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: sarcastic pony Looks like most efforts towards separation of content and presentation may cause severe accessibility-failures[1] in the future. Rubbish. This is no different to the current 1.0 Organize documents so they may be read without style

Re: [WSG] cool flash with transparency???

2006-05-23 Thread Warren Cardinal
it must be a png -- because it doesnt work in IE -- so I guess that makes it web standards related ;) On 5/23/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/23/06 11:09 AM, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a transparency where her hair is transparent and shows the background...Off the

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Jake Badger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, but it might make it fail WCAG 2.0, as using any form of layout where the onscreen flow doesn't mirror the html flow is a big no no. *Only* if the different layout *fundamentally changes the meaning of the content*. Don't be hasty to jump to

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Jake Badger
It does kick in if I'm using tables for layout: The semantics of some elements define whether or not their content is a meaningful sequence. For instance, in HTML, text is always a meaningful sequence. Tables and ordered lists are meaningful sequences, but unordered lists are not.

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Paul Novitski
At 06:43 AM 5/23/2006, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: sarcastic pony Looks like most efforts towards separation of content and presentation may cause severe accessibility-failures[1] in the future. ... [1]http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/#F1 My take on this passage is different. The specific

[WSG] IE 1PX off problem

2006-05-23 Thread Helmut Granda
I have been looking around for a while trying to solve a little problem I have. I have a background titled in the middle and a container holding 2 divs as columns. Everything works as expected but just with one glitch. When I resize the browser in IE there is a pixel that throws things

Re: [WSG] XHTML Gallery background changes by rollover

2006-05-23 Thread Minh D. Tran
Hi Michael, I am not an expert on this, but I will try to help you showing the way I do it:For example, your icon would be 80px by 80px, you would want to make an image that is 80px by 160px where thetop 80x80 would be your original image and the bottom 80x80 would be your "hover" image,

Re: [WSG] cool flash with transparency???

2006-05-23 Thread Tom Livingston
Title: Re: [WSG] cool flash with transparency??? On 5/23/06 11:42 AM, Warren Cardinal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it must be a png -- because it doesnt work in IE -- so I guess that makes it web standards related ;) A PNG inside of a Flash file (.swf) isnt a PNG when it hits the browser. Odd

Re: [WSG] XHTML Gallery background changes by rollover

2006-05-23 Thread Michael Persson
Dear Minh, I didnt make myself clear sorry. i need a rollver as a gallery, not a little icon, yes i know loading time will scare the users away but its what i need. The problem is that before i made it in a iframe where i change the full background on a rollover, that means i need to have

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
After looking at the responses, I guess 'use common sense, and wait till the dust settles before changing anything of what works now', is the most appropriate action for the time being. That's the path I was going to follow anyway, so it is good to see that I'm not too far off from the

Re: [WSG] XHTML Gallery background changes by rollover

2006-05-23 Thread Peter Dominic Ryan
Hi Michael This site has a lot of great tested, proven standards compliant galleries, menus and so on. It's terrific, and it might help solve your problem http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/index.html Regards, Peter On 24/05/2006, at 03:12 , Michael Persson wrote: Dear Minh, I didnt make

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] | WCAG Samurai will toil in obscurity for the foreseeable future. | Membership rolls will not be published, and membership is by | invitation only. -- http://wcagsamurai.org/ While I do have the utmost respect for Joe Clark and the other invited

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread David Laakso
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: After looking at the responses, I guess 'use common sense, and wait till the dust settles ... Georg Maybe you should tend the Rhododendrons and quit stirring up trouble...I can tell, this is going to go on for weeks, if not months-- perhaps years, if not decades. Time

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: After looking at the responses, I guess 'use common sense, and wait till the dust settles ... Georg Maybe you should tend the Rhododendrons and quit stirring up trouble...I can tell, this is going to go on for weeks, if not months-- perhaps years,

Re: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for presentation.

2006-05-23 Thread Al Sparber
From: David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Laakso wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: After looking at the responses, I guess 'use common sense, and wait till the dust settles ... Georg Maybe you should tend the Rhododendrons and quit stirring up trouble...I can tell, this is going to go on

[WSG] FW: Re: JAWS and Frontpage with frames?

2006-05-23 Thread marvin hunkin
From: Jorge Laranjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marvin hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JAWS and Frontpage with frames? Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 04:24:02 +0100 Ok. Here I am again. Here are the replys to your questions. If you need more help, please, feel free to ask me. 1. when i have a

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-05-23 Thread Heagney, Naomi
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Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely

2006-05-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/05/19 15:18 (GMT-0400) Warren Cardinal apparently typed: I am getting ready to launch a new site that I would like to get some final constructive feedback on. It's an xhtml strict ecommerce site and uses alot of ajax features formt eh time-being, the site can be viewed at