RE: previous jobs

2001-02-01 Thread Matthew Jones
so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past? I walways had crappy non-IT jobs. The absolute worst was when I went to work in a plastics factory. As new boy, it fell to me to make sure that all the waste plastic was disposed of as efficiently as possible. Translated, that meant dragging

Re: previous jobs

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:44:28 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past? I was the social secretary at City University for a year - 1981/2. Does that count? Interesting stories that I can be persuaded to tell after a few beers: 1/ Turning

Mark Thomas

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
(Even more off-topic than usual) I've got four tickets for the filming of the Mark Thomas Product this Sunday. It's filmed in the pub at the end of my road, but I don't think I'll be around in time to go. You'd need to be in the pub for about 7:15pm to get decent seats, but the filming doesn't

Re: previous jobs

2001-02-01 Thread Redvers Davies
so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past? Security guard at a site which was under constant threat from animal rights bombers. with the name and we need to ``leverage'' it (sorry) now in all aspects of the company, from sales/marketting to programming Hmmm, skills... A healthy

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Redvers Davies
Also L Steins Network Programming with Perl is a good book. I'm only a chunk into it buts its a good read on its own and an even better one if your not from a Unix background. Yup, it's a bloody impressive book. I concur. I was lucky enough to get a look at the copy that Dave Cross had at

Opening Files using OO Modules

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
I'm tidying up a script that splits a file into several other files. The script is called like this: splitter.pl input.dat 3 out1.dat 4 out2.dat 5 out3.dat Within the script, the lines output to different files depending on a $type data field. The files are used like this: my $fh = "FH$type";

Re: Mark Thomas

2001-02-01 Thread Greg Cope
Dave Cross wrote: (Even more off-topic than usual) I've got four tickets for the filming of the Mark Thomas Product this Sunday. It's filmed in the pub at the end of my road, but I don't think I'll be around in time to go. You'd need to be in the pub for about 7:15pm to get decent seats,

Re: previous jobs

2001-02-01 Thread Neil Ford
so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past? Operations Manager, Wizards of the Coast Limited next best thing to being a crack dealer :-) Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:18:04AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Not I. London tolerates my caresses. Bullfrog seems to be doing some spletnit shenannigans though. .robin. -- Straw? No, too stupid a fad! I put soot on

Re: Opening Files using OO Modules

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:52:25 +, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 05:01:37AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Within the script, the lines output to different files depending on a $type data field. The files are used like this: my $fh = "FH$type"; open $fh,

Re: Opening Files using OO Modules

2001-02-01 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 05:01:37AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Within the script, the lines output to different files depending on a $type data field. The files are used like this: my $fh = "FH$type"; open $fh, "=$streamnum{$type}" or die $!; print $fh "some data from the input file";

Re: Mark Thomas

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:57:11 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: (Even more off-topic than usual) I've got four tickets for the filming of the Mark Thomas Product this Sunday. It's filmed in the pub at the end of my road, but I don't

RE: Mark Thomas

2001-02-01 Thread Andrew Bowman
From: Greg Cope [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Does MT have a special T shirt vendor ? Yesterdays was a monopoply joke that I did not get I tuned in halfway through an item about ECGD (the UK Govt's export credit guarantee department), which was something to do with two hotels they helped fund

Re: previous jobs

2001-02-01 Thread David Cantrell
so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past? Being a bus conductor during the summer holidays when I was in the sixth form was fun. Working on various defence projects for dodgy third world dictatorships (including Indonesia and the US) was not, but we had wonderful toys. You wouldn't

Re: Mark Thomas

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:27:25 +, Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does MT have a special T shirt vendor ? Yesterdays was a monopoply joke that I did not get I think it was a comment on the project in Ghana (or was it Kenya?) where the money for two hotels had ended up building a

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Neil Ford
I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Michael we're all there fine in actuall fact as I type this you've just appeared :-) Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org

Re: Mark Thomas

2001-02-01 Thread Neil Ford
At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:57:11 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: (Even more off-topic than usual) I've got four tickets for the filming of the Mark Thomas Product this Sunday. It's filmed in the pub at the end of my road, but I

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:28:37AM +, Neil Ford wrote: I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Michael we're all there fine in actuall fact as I type this you've just appeared :-) Having now got on I can state the problem was a complete inability to get

Re: the list

2001-02-01 Thread pmh
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:21:47 +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 12:04:54PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: everyone is probably reading up on ruby in preparation for it taking over the world Well, there's a good article on it in the "25th anniversary" Dr Dobbs magazine.

irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Michael

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:31:16AM +, Michael Stevens typed: On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:28:37AM +, Neil Ford wrote: I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Michael we're all there fine in actuall fact as I type this you've just appeared :-)

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:35:47AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Ahem. Didn't they learn _anything_ from Microsoft? IRC's IP, anyone? london.rhizomatic.net is also www.astray.com is 195.82.114.160

Re: previous jobs

2001-02-01 Thread Simon Wistow
Matthew Jones wrote: so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past? I walways had crappy non-IT jobs. The absolute worst was when I went to work in a plastics factory. As new boy, it fell to me to make sure that all the waste plastic was disposed of as efficiently as possible. I

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 01 Feb 2001, you wrote: Robin Szemeti [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *i think we get a slanted view on what a 'normal level of intelligence' *is, because in general, we work with exceptional people. I spent the last I know at least 2 nobel laureates who wouldn't know jack about CGI

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Mark Fowler
IRC's IP, anyone? 195.82.114.160 london.rhizomatic.net === astray.com === twoshortplanks.com === huckvale.net (which is easier to remeber than IP numbers Shirley) Should really get round to seconding the DNS methinks. -- print

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:39:24AM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: [big snip] no .. its not (for want of a better word) rocket science, but to do it correctly does require a broad range of knowledge about several different systems and really what Ms Castro attempts to do is give a bit of all of

website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Robert Shiels
I'm trying to stop people buggering about on my website and looking in directories they shouldn't be, this includes several robots that have started trawling through it. I have family pictures, and work related pictures. I want each group to only look at their own images (for example I don't

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Robert Price
At 12:34 PM 2/1/01 +, jp wrote: [snip] Totally unrelated, I wish they'd open a PC Bookshop in Farringdon. But it's only a 10-15 minute stroll to the one in Southampton Row from Farringdon. Rob

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Struan Donald
* at 01/02 12:35 - Robert Shiels said: I don't really like this, is there another way? I don't want to have to resort to .htpasswd files, which is what I've implemented for now. er, what's wrong with them? struan

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread James Powell
Those 15 minutes (each way, probably about 20 from where I am) come out of my pay packet! And it doesn't stay open late enough in the evening. I've been spoilt, I used to work at Tower 42 (was natwest tower) and the city branch was a well lobbed copy of an o'reilly book (preferably mysql msql)

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:02:03PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: Well, publishing username/passwords to everyone who needs them is trickey, and getting people to remember them is also hard. For example, I took family photos, I want the whole family to look at them, and anyone else who they

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:02:03PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: For example, I took family photos, I want the whole family to look at them, and anyone else who they give the link to, but my mum has enough trouble connecting to the internet without remembering new usernames and passwords.

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Robert Shiels
I don't really like this, is there another way? I don't want to have to resort to .htpasswd files, which is what I've implemented for now. er, what's wrong with them? Well, publishing username/passwords to everyone who needs them is trickey, and getting people to remember them is also

Intra-list wanderings

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
I've noticed that a couple of threads have been wandering between the dircon and hfb lists. I think that we should be heavily deprecating the hfb list now and as some people are only on the dircon list it means that they are only getting a partial transcript of the discussion. Can everyone

Free T-Shirts

2001-02-01 Thread mallum
It seems that Foyles on Tottenham Crt Rd are giving away free orielly shirts. I got a Perl and a Linux one just by asking ( there are loads on some orielly display in there ) and not even purchasing anything. mallum http://10.am/Development/Perl

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:39:08PM +, Michael Stevens typed: Now if they'd just actually send me the copy I ordered... (I think they said 3-5 weeks) Ditto. It's one of the 9 things remaining before they ship my latest order. Roger

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:35:10AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Data Munging with Perl by David Cross Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! Now if they'd just actually send me the copy I ordered... (I think they said 3-5 weeks) Michael

RE: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Gareth . Harper
Title: RE: Amazon Sales Rank I thought you were boycotting/not paying any attention to amazon ? PS I apologise for the html mails, the client here is set up to send out plain text, and my internal mails come out as plain text, but some stupid idiot has our smtp server / exchange server

Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
Data Munging with Perl by David Cross Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! Dave...

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:24:08PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Michael Stevens wrote: You could give out urls with the usernames and passwords in? Were you thinking of http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pics/drunkenperlmongers.jpg ? No such thing; RTFRFC for more info. There may well be

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:24:08PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Michael Stevens wrote: You could give out urls with the usernames and passwords in? Were you thinking of http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pics/drunkenperlmongers.jpg ? No such thing; RTFRFC for more info. Being somewhat

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Paul Mison
On 01/02/2001 at 13:44 +, Struan Donald wrote: * at 01/02 08:35 -0500 Dave Cross said: Data Munging with Perl by David Cross Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! a day in the life of a famous perl author: goto:

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:39:08 +, Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:35:10AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Data Munging with Perl by David Cross Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! Now if they'd just actually

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:44:25 +, Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * at 01/02 08:35 -0500 Dave Cross said: Data Munging with Perl by David Cross Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! a day in the life of a famous perl author:

Re: Free T-Shirts

2001-02-01 Thread Greg McCarroll
hurrah for the mayhem of foyles! * mallum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It seems that Foyles on Tottenham Crt Rd are giving away free orielly shirts. I got a Perl and a Linux one just by asking ( there are loads on some orielly display in there ) and not even purchasing anything. mallum

RE: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:40:08 - , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you were boycotting/not paying any attention to amazon ? Boycotting, yes. No paying any attention to, no - that would be stupid. Much as I hate it, I must accept that the majority of my sales will come thru Amazon. That's

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Struan Donald
* at 01/02 08:35 -0500 Dave Cross said: Data Munging with Perl by David Cross Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! a day in the life of a famous perl author: goto: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930110006/ while (1){ look at

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:52:02AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Now if they'd just actually send me the copy I ordered... (I think they said 3-5 weeks) Did you order it from amazon.co.uk? amazon.com have it stock and are sending it out now. It'll be another couple of weeks before it hits the

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:56:24PM +, Paul Mison wrote: Didn't the case of 'A Fist In the Bush' prove that Amazon's "Sales" rankings are actually down to how many people look at things? Wasn't that more to do with the "people who like like also like *this*" rankings that the actual sales

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:42:24PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:39:08PM +, Michael Stevens typed: Now if they'd just actually send me the copy I ordered... (I think they said 3-5 weeks) Ditto. It's one of the 9 things remaining before they ship

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Robert Shiels
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:56:24PM +, Paul Mison wrote: Didn't the case of 'A Fist In the Bush' prove that Amazon's "Sales" rankings are actually down to how many people look at things? Wasn't that more to do with the "people who like like also like *this*" rankings that the actual

Re: Free T-Shirts

2001-02-01 Thread Niklas Nordebo
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:44:54PM -0500, mallum wrote: It seems that Foyles on Tottenham Crt Rd are giving away free orielly shirts. I got a Perl and a Linux one just by asking ( there are loads on some orielly display in there ) and not even purchasing anything. When I got there they said I

Re: Free T-Shirts

2001-02-01 Thread mallum
on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:48:14PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: hurrah for the mayhem of foyles! Its always fun when you get served by the crazy russian girl in there who always will ask you some bizzare visual studio question, when you inform her you use Linux and not Windows she then

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Robin Szemeti [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *But what you say above proves my point dunnit ... these guys are nobel *laureates and they enjoy a challenge.. out there in the real world a *large percentage of the population finds adding up the money for the bus a *challenge ... the pasics of CGI are

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *Data Munging with Perl *by David Cross * *Amazon.com Sales Rank: 760 * *Blimey, how did that happen? Yesterday it was 87,867! http://cpan.valueclick.com/authors/id/TOMC/scripts/ contains 'amarank' which is a script you can use to feed the obsession :) It's

Re: website directory access

2001-02-01 Thread Philip Newton
Robin Houston wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:24:08PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Michael Stevens wrote: You could give out urls with the usernames and passwords in? Were you thinking of http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pics/drunkenperlmongers.jpg ? No such thing; RTFRFC for

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 01 Feb 2001, you wrote: Well, this particular one was 65 years old, a consultant to world leaders in Economic affairs and was completely baffled by the advent of a new laptop. He had better things to worry about than learning something as trivial and insignificant to life on the

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Nathan Torkington
Robin Szemeti writes: WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING ... (in big letters just to make sure :) stunningly bright but experience in a different field .. understood. but still one of the (very) bright ones. When I worked at an ISP, our motto was: The customer is an expert in their own

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:57:20AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: [...] brain surgery tech support [...] Have you got the number? I'm having a spot of bother with my hypothalamus. .robin.

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Paul Mison
On 01/02/2001 at 10:03 +, Robert Shiels wrote: Just had a look at the PC Bookshops website (www.pcbooks.co.uk). Didn't they used to have a way of finding out whether the book was actually on the shelf or not - I may drop in there today on my way south of the river (Oh, the shame) and wanted

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Benjamin Holzman
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:57:20AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: Meaning, nobody's really a complete idiot and we'd seem just as dumb if we called brain surgery tech support, new mother tech support, or even gardening tech support. True, but there aren't many people who will assume that

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Elaine -HFB- Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone other than Webheads have better things to do than learn CGI. It doesn't make them stupid, in fact, I'd almost argue that they are the bright ones. Amen. Which is probably about 95% of the planet. Why should they

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Benjamin Holzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] True, but there aren't many people who will assume that they can perform brain surgery just because they successfully applied a band-aid to a paper cut the week before. You haven't been to the NHS recently have you... ;)

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: No, there wasn't even something I could buy for it sadly. It's a simple CGI, I would have paid $15 for a quickie 'here's your simple cgi just plug in your variables here' code. Been there - more often than not, the cookbook fills any holes. I

Re: Bad Perl

2001-02-01 Thread David H. Adler
On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:22:57AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: And speaking of bad books, who is this Martin Brown guy who has a new book every month these days, certainly he must have a ghostwriter. Debugging Perl ("his" latest, I believe...) is fairly evil. Also, be sure to queue