Jim Davison (was Re: Donation..)

Dave Cross writes: > > not even the comic genius jim davidson's adult one? > > "Peter Cook is a sadly missed comic genius, unlike Jim Davidson, who is > a talentless, sexist, racist waste of space." Wow, I was wondering why his name was so familiar. I think we had a tape of his on the school bu

Re: Jim Davidson (was Re: Donation..)

Dave Cross writes: > "Okay, sheriff, we're gonna fuck you now. But we're gonna fuck you > reealll slloowww." Whoa. You're saying that this was originally a Carlin line? That's also from the Davidson tape. Nat

Re: Jim Davidson (was Re: Donation..)

Dave Cross writes: > That's a direct quote from the Carlin routine. Are you sure that it > wasn't a Carlin tape you were listening to? Even at that early an age I could recognize Carlin. > Here's an extract from the 'shit' section. See if you recognise this. > > Why do we say "take a shit"? You

Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

Dean S Wilson writes: > Of course, CD Bookshelf products and ematter versions of some titles > are only two of many experiments we're running in an attempt to build > up business models for online books. We will be selling online access > to individual books and collections of books on a subscript

Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

Simon Wistow writes: > Bizarre how threads come togther innit ... > http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/ I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life. He's the luckiest fat fuck in the world. Nat (bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)

Re: one liner

Leon Brocard writes: > Yes. This is because Perl is not thought of as being a GUI > language[1]. Discuss. > [1] Simon's articles on Perl Gnome are a good step though > > ps I'm back from Venezuela and only now find out the box has been >/.-ed... Data point: the O'Reilly Perl/Tk book mysterio

Re: one liner

Dean S Wilson writes: > Has anyone tried Linux glade recently? Is it stable with perl yet? The TPJ that's stalled at the printers has a fantuckingfastic article on getting started with Glade and Perl/Gtk. Nat (tease)

Re: Book is out!

Dean S Wilson writes: > While looking for a release date on the manning site I found this: > http://www.manning.com/cross/ebook.html Cool! Congratulations, Dave! I wonder what the $3.50 service charge is. It might be their way of making you pay for credit-card processing (3.50 is a lot, though

Re: one liner

Dean S Wilson writes: > I dislike the Learning Perl/TK book Before I launch in a kind of defence of the book, let me remind you all that I liked the book before Tim started signing my paycheque. :-) > Learning Perl/TK just seemed to be too much of a rehash of the > perldoc pages There are perld

Re: one liner

Dean S Wilson writes: > Uncross those fingers. ;) Since your in the know what perl books are > forthcoming? Anything on Perl XML? I'm shit-scared of talking about books in progress, in case I jinx them. I can say that Tom and I have begun talking about a second edition of the Cookbook. I've got

Re: one liner

Michael Stevens writes: > I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like > printed copies of. Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the book was nothing more than the online manual :-) Nat

Re: one liner

I wrote: > I'm shit-scared of talking about books in progress, in case I jinx > them. We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than "Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at that book. In particular, look for examples. Nat

Re: Perl 6

David Cantrell writes: > From what I can tell, there ain't a lot happening. As Piers said, we are blocked on Larry. We're working on some interpreter design now, but some language issues really need to be nailed down before we know what we're going to be writing. Nat

Re: Perl 6

Andy Wardley writes: > It might also draw the all-talk-and-no-trousers crowd away from the > serious perl6 development process. It would give us, er, I mean *them* > somewhere to rant without bothering too many people doing the real work > on crafting Perl 6. Yes, and no. The problem is that it

Re: Perl 6

Piers Cawley writes: > > As Piers said, we are blocked on Larry. We're working on some > > interpreter design now, but some language issues really need to be > > nailed down before we know what we're going to be writing. > > Any idea how long we're going to stay blocked? None whatsoever. Many

Re: Perl 6

Piers Cawley writes: > Heh. However, from what I've seen, some of the stuff that's being > discussed in perl6-internals has the look of stuff that may still be > useful if we stick with perl 5, so even if it's "Not at all" there may > prove to be benefits. > > Also, the way some of the perl6-lang

Re: Perl 6

Simon Wistow writes: > > Or am I missing something? > > But you have to think about what new features you want to add when > you're redesigning the internals. What he said. One reason to rework the internals is to make it possible to add new features that would be impossible or prohibitively sl

Re: Perl 6

David Hodgkinson writes: > Ah...but you don't have to actually _add_ the features, right? Right, but neither do we want to spend ages trying to design perl6 to support some crackhead feature only to have Larry say "no! bloody! way!" perl6 has really filled me with confidence in Perl. The dwind

Re: Perl 6

David Hodgkinson writes: > > If we can get past Larry, I imagine we'll make really rapid > > progress. > > Is a coup out of the question? The emergency backup plan of airlifting him from California to Colorado and chaining him to the keyboard remains a backup plan. Will advise HQ when time is ri

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

Andrew Bowman writes: > You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols[1]? August is, in > some quarters at least, considered a non-month for the purposes of all sorts > of events - possibly even for an Open Source Convention :-) Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl,

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

David Cantrell writes: > Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK > contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but > will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It > would be *really* great - especially for intercontinent

Re: TPC5

Andrew Bowman writes: > London in September would be really good - the weather is generally very > pleasant (not too hot, not too cold, not too wet) and accomodation and > travel is cheaper for those coming from out of town... > > Even October would be okay - so long as it doesn't clash with the

Re: Perl Books

Elaine -HFB- Ashton writes: > It's a copy of all the refereed papers as I recall, not the tutorials. > It's tape bound and has Conway's Perligata Talk among others. What Elaine said. It's the book we handed out to TPC attendees in 2000, containing the refereed papers. Nat

Re: Perl Books

Elaine -HFB- Ashton writes: > On the plus side, Addison-Wesley has a new CGI Perl book coming out in > early February that should be a major improvement in this particular > genre. Hey, if she's allowed to plug, so am I :-) The 2nd edition of "CGI Programming with Perl" (O'Reilly of course) is pr

Re: Perl Books

Dean S Wilson writes: > >Hey, if she's allowed to plug, so am I :-) The 2nd edition of "CGI > >Programming with Perl" (O'Reilly of course) is pretty bloody good > > Duh, its an O'Reilly. ;) If only it was that automatic--we sometimes release stinkers (c.f. the *first* edition of the CGI book :-)

Re: Perl Books

Robin Szemeti writes: > WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING ... (in big letters just to make sure > :) stunningly bright but experience in a different field .. understood. > but still one of the (very) bright ones. When I worked at an ISP, our motto was: The customer is an expert in their own

Re: Perl Books

Alex Page writes: > Yeah... I always forget to flush when forking, and I've done some > horrible things with IPC::Open3 before... I'm shuddering at the thought of the human equivalent of atomic writes. "The largest nugget that will pass through a pipe intact ..." Nat

Re: Ruby

Dean wrote: > ORA has a Ruby pocket reference but its not in English. Nat anything planned? Yup. Nat :-)

Re: Perl Training Courses

Mark Fowler wrote: > One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To > be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I > suggested asking you lot. The London Open Source Convention will have Perl tutorials. If only I could say precisely when it would

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

> David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I should confess that I recently installed python on one of my boxen. > > Excuse: something else needed it. However, I'd like to take a look at > > it sometime. Same goes for Ruby. More things for the to-do queue. I found Ruby much closer to

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

Simon Wistow wrote: > You use the RPC::Automagic module and pass it a RPC server/port/user > name/password/whatever. From that point on it overloads the use keyword > and anything you try and use it will actually connect to the RPC server > and pass it all the parameters. Any modules you didn't w

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

Greg McCarroll wrote: > sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't > the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-) I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to do with gnarliness, I know that Paul wrote a >1k regexp to parse XML correctly. It only fails

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

Greg McCarroll wrote: > > That dropped my jaw. > > Is it available online? You'd have to talk to him, I don't know. He said it had reasonably good performance, too, which surprised him. It definitely sounds like uncut CiP to me :-) Nat

Re: CPAN Logo

Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > Also, since the font comment made someone other than myself bristle > a bit I would like to point out that ORA is not CPAN in any way, > shape or form save the exception of the /doc directory tchrist has on > perl.com. And I'd like to say that I hope O'Reilly has done

Re: Madness! It's Madness!!

dcross - David Cross wrote: > Damian's been busy over the last couple of weeks and has produced a load of > documentation on what he thinks Perl 6 _might_ be like. It's at > . Also, Larry's released the first part (Apocalypse) of his perl6 plans. http://

Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads

Damian Conway writes: > Ate was the goddess of folly, strife, discord, and mischief. > She was a daughter of Zeus, banished to Earth for her wickness > in leading men astray. ^^ > [...] > (or worse!) for garters if they catch you confusing Her with > that bitch Ate ;-) That'

[OT] Flecktones in London next month

My favourite band in the whole world, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, plays in London. I urge you to see them. It's an unholy blend of jazz, rock, and bluegrass. They have *the* best electric bass player in the entire world, *the* best banjo player, and the best "whatever that thing that makes d

Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month

Dave Hodgkinson writes: > > > Norman Watt Roy ? > > Clive off of (void) told me to mention Billy Sheehan, Stu Hamm and > > Jaco Pastorius and see what happened :-) > I'll see your Jaco and raise you Dave la Rue. All good, but if you haven't seen Victor Wooten, you should. He's terrifying. Nat

Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month

Neil Ford writes: > I can now confirm this is at The Pizzaexpress Jazz Club, 10 Dean > Street, Soho, London W1 - Reservations: 020 7439 8722 (the new > listings arrived this morning!). > > Of course, this being the evening the tube strike starts, getting > there and back could be fun. I saw them

Re: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this

Chris Devers writes: > Cousin site to http://www.c-cup.com/, which seems to be down at the moment. > > Typical example: "Charisma Carpenter Guide to Selected Linux Software" > http://www.c-cup.com/linux/software-that-works.html > (http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.c-cup.com/linux/software

Buffy musings ...

... I wonder how hard it would be to get Faith or Charisma Carpenter or one of those other "minor" characters to do a meet'n'greet at TPC. I suspect they're hard to dislodge from LA, but it might still be worth a try[1]. I'm tracking down their agents now. Nat [1] or it's the NyQuil talking

Buffy musings ...

... I wonder how hard it would be to get Faith or Charisma Carpenter or one of those other "minor" characters to do a meet'n'greet at TPC. I suspect they're hard to dislodge from LA, but it might still be worth a try[1]. I'm tracking down their agents now. Nat [1] or it's the NyQuil talking

Re: Buffy musings ...

David H. Adler writes: > 1) Charisma isn't really "minor" anymore, being second lead in Angel. True. And after the bikini scene, she's a bigtime star. BIG time. BIG. If you know what I mean. Yowzers. > 2) Get Willow. Dammit. I'll see what they cost. It might be prohibitively expensive to

Re: Buffy musings ...

Dean writes: > Does any one know if ORA will be selling a compilation of the papers again > after this conference? We will. Nat

O Brother (was Re: Buffy musings ...)

Piers Cawley writes: > I'm trying to work out if I was bowled over by > 'Go to sleep pretty baby' because of the song or the visuals... Ob Porn: You can see a nipple and curve of a breast through a wet shirt if you look in the right place. Nat

Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...)

Greg McCarroll writes: > And while we are on the old films chestnut, my current recommendation > is 'O Brother, where art thou?', excellent film. I loved it. I've seen it twice. Of course, I'm a bluegrass music nut. Nat

Re: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...)

Greg McCarroll writes: > I think `man of sorrow' will be a good ambassador for bluegrass Yup, it is. I'd just like to add that I saw it performed by the real band (i.e., not George Clooney lipsynching) one week ago. It was bloody brilliant. I think I even have a photo on the digital camera of

Re: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

Cross David - dcross writes: > Well, I prefer stuff with lyrics, but enjoy almost any kind of Irish (and > English) folk music. The CDs on high rotation right now are: Brendan Begley, "We Won't Go Home 'Til Morning" Green Linnet Artists, "Green Linnet Records: The 20th Anniversary Co

Re: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

Dave Cross writes: > Some names there that I don't know, but will be checking out. I bet the > Green Linnet compilation is good. Oh yes. That's what I used to decide which artists to buy. Another CD arrived yesterday, a Rounder compilation of 1920s recordings of trad. Irish musicians. I was s

Re: [london-list-summary] London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23

Leon Brocard writes: > Registration has opened for this year's Perl Conference in San > Diego. It's gonna be a great conference - the talks all look excellent > (thanks gnat!) You're welcome. I'm going to give a lightning talk at YAPC or TPC about just what a clusterfuck it was this year. Many

Good Omens movie

Terry Gilliam signed to it. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010514/re/cannes_deals_dc_2.html Nat

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

Leon Brocard writes: > Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5, > wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-) Jihad on Leon, anyone? :-) perl6 is supposed to look a lot like perl5. If it didn't, we'd call it Python or something like that. T

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

Greg McCarroll writes: > I don't think Perl 6 can be a tremendous leap forward, not because > of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because > the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about > IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit > of that s

[OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

Speaking of vampires, you've got a treat coming up with Angel. After the exploitative tv show there was a lull of a week, and then ... Boobapalooza! You boys will be capturing plenty of stills from the season-ending shows. Think Princess Leia only funny and jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Nat

RE: TPC Quiz Team

Cross David - dcross writes: > Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have: > > "The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language > is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers" It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most rec

RE: TPC Quiz Team

Dave Cross writes: > >It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most > >recent TPJ? :-) > > It was a beginners guide to Arrays. Complete with examples drawing heavily > on the world of Buffy. Oh I remember now. In fact, I specifically remember rolling my eyes :-) Nat

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

Robin Houston writes: > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: > > It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions > > of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari > > subscribers out there with an opinion? > > Don't forget the eve

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

Robin Houston writes: > Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/ I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers, of all people, would advocate pirating the Camel. Yeah, way to thank Larry! Nat

tpj #20

Nobody noticed that in my article's code examples I revealed my pick for sexiest slayer on Buffy. Pout. Nat

FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)

Redvers Davies writes: > About that flyer... "FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious > threat to animal health". > > That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, > the MAFF slaughters are. I'm not taking sides about whether the slaughters are justified. Here, thou

Re: OSCon London

Cross David - dcross writes: > This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source > Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on > October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I can > find out. That conference was cancelled bec