Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:57:08PM +0100, Dave Thorn wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
  Dave Thorn wrote:
   that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.
  London Pride?
 obviously.  they don't just give it away or hoard it, y'know?

There were posters up at London Bridge station about a promotion where the
pubs on various of the London stations were giving away free pints, different
days for different stations. I first saw the poster on May 5th.
The promotions were either on May 3rd or May 2nd.
Now, as the poster had a nice big picture of London Pride on it (IIRC) it
is unlikely that I would have walked past it for even 1 day without noticing
it. So I wonder if the cheeky buggers only put the posters up after the event.

Nicholas Clark

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-12 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:40:44PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
  David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
   I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
   passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
   comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.
  It's a TRAP!
 Curses!  That was my cunning plan to acquire more victims for the Sun god,
 why'd you have to go and spoil it?  I need a sacrifice to get this VT320

I think I can see where you're going wrong. It's the DEC god you should be
making your sacrifices to. The Sun god will only help for Sparc 1s, 4/110s

Nicholas Clark


2001-06-11 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:19:21AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:56:19AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 I haven't looked at the certificate issue, but most of the things I've
 read so far state that it's only a problem because they've made it a
 problem by using non-standard technology.

And it doesn't seem very impartial if they continue building these sites
which you can only use if you buy products from a given company.

(If I understand the current requirements, you have to buy MacOS (from Apple)
or Windows (from Microsoft) to run your free (no cost) browser)

(Is it legal to be anticompetitive by encouraging a duopoly?)

  However, it's hardly the end of the world
 No, but it is the start of the long slippery slope.  Which most of us
 hope to avoid travelling down.

I agree. It's the not the end of the world. Just the beginning of the end.

Nicholas Clark

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

2001-06-09 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 07:23:32AM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
 I'll be there...  btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps
 about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the
 list will be published. [1]

I had an e-mail from Ann Barcomb yesterday saying that my lightning talk
had been accepted. I don't know anything further

Nicholas Clark


2001-06-09 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:10:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 I complained  to the UK Online helpdesk .. they deny all responsiblity
 for the thing .. but can give you helpdesk contacts for the 3 government
 agencies contained within the 'government gateway' site .. of course they
 deny all responsiblity for it as well...

Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all
4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one joined up government

Nicholas Clark

Re: Grammar - Class creation

2001-05-29 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:59:48AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 On Tue, 29 May 2001, Leon Brocard wrote:
  Other programming languages need code generators to spit out
  libraries. Perl doesn't need to do this as it's dynamic, baby. This is
  why Parse::RecDescent / Template Toolkit are so groovy, yeah.
 I propose a new convention : we all shout 'CAMEL' if Leon uses the words
 qw/ baby groovy yeah/ in the same mail. ..  this could be quite often.

There doesn't appear to be any drinking involved in this new convention.
Is this the new bit? Not sure if it will catch on.

Nicholas Clark

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:15:44PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo wrote:
 Seriously, I don't advocate copyright violation, but I much prefer it to
 theft or high sea piracy if people are going to commit crimes.

I always found arms trafficking far more fun.
Although I supposed nowadays we should be shipping the DeCCS perl code around
in .sigs rather than the perl RSA code, as the former seems to be much more
successful at getting up people's noses these days.

Nicholas Clark

p5p drinking games [ [PATCH 5.6.1] build bugs OS/2]

2001-05-19 Thread Nicholas Clark

OK. So if we're playing the p5p drinking game,
what and how much do we drink when Ilya sends six messages in a burst?
Do we drink extra because none are part of any existing thread?
Do we drink extra because all six contain patches?
De we drink extra for each that contains comments? Or do we drink extra
for each that doesn't? [This is perhaps the hardest question]

Nicholas Clark
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Two tiny fixes:

  a) a wrong version of Perl could be lifted for the installer;

  b) an embarassing misprint leading to a segfault;


--- ./os2/Makefile.SHs-pre  Tue May  8 02:27:22 2001
+++ ./os2/Makefile.SHs  Tue May  8 02:55:12 2001
@@ -154,8 +154,8 @@ perl_sys: $ perlmain$(OBJ_EXT) $(LIBPER
$(SHRPENV) $(CC) $(SYS_CLDFLAGS) $(CCDLFLAGS) -o perl_sys perlmain$(OBJ_EXT) 
$(DYNALOADER) $(static_ext) $(LIBPERL) `cat ext.libs` $(libs)
 installcmd : 
-   perl -e 'die qq{Give the option INSTALLCMDDIR=... to make!} if $$ARGV[0] eq 
-   perl os2/ $(INSTALLCMDDIR)
+   @perl -e 'die qq{Give the option INSTALLCMDDIR=... to make!} if $$ARGV[0] eq 
+   ./miniperl -Ilib os2/ $(INSTALLCMDDIR)
 # Aout section:
--- ./os2/os2.c-pre-fcn Tue May  8 02:27:22 2001
+++ ./os2/os2.c Wed May  9 03:07:38 2001
@@ -203,18 +203,15 @@ loadByOrd(char *modname, ULONG ord)
 if (ExtFCN[ord] == NULL) {
static HMODULE hdosc = 0;
-   BYTE buf[20];
-   PFN fcn;
+   PFN fcn = (PFN)-1;
-   if (!hdosc) {
+   if (!hdosc)
hdosc = loadModule(modname);
-   if (CheckOSError(DosQueryProcAddr(hdosc, loadOrd[ord], NULL, fcn)))
-   Perl_croak_nocontext(
+   if (CheckOSError(DosQueryProcAddr(hdosc, loadOrd[ord], NULL, fcn)))
+   Perl_croak_nocontext(
This version of OS/2 does not support %s.%i, 
modname, loadOrd[ord]); 
-   }
ExtFCN[ord] = fcn;
 if ((long)ExtFCN[ord] == -1) 

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Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:44:41PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
 * at 10/05 16:37 +0100 Dominic Mitchell said:

  Generally you can enter a control character into vi and most Unix shells
  by pressing ^V and then the character you want.
 ah, thanks
  In Emacs, it's ^Q, then the character you want.
 only ^Q? that's not like emacs :)

If your terminal has flow control enabled it will eat ^Q and ^S for you.
stty -ixon
removes this problem.
(Someone has a quote about the only safe thing to send down a serial line
being a break, because emacs interprets every character)

Nicholas Clark

Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-18 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 08:33:29PM +0100, Chris Benson wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:52:57AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
technical meeting then you can either video it or watch the repeat on 00:35
on Friday night/Saturday morning.
   umm .. would now be a good time to point out I don't have a television?

 I assume everyone (that's interested) knows about 'Ask Buffy' at 
 By Buffy Overflow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 

And there was me thinking that Chris was going to say that he doesn't have
a TV either. But he didn't. I don't have a TV. But I'm currently camped out
in my parents house, and they have 2. But I learn that they will both be
obsolete in 5 years when we all the analogue TV transmitters are turned off.
Is that relevant? :-)

Nicholas Clark

Re: Test

2001-04-04 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:42:31PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:25:50PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote:
  Sorry all - this is a test... :P
  Bloomin' Outlook  HTML ... *grumble*
 It's coming through as multipart/alternative, which is fine IMO.
 People with broken mail clients may disagree :-)

I have a non-broken client which copes with multipart/alternative and
I still disagree. For a text message the text part carries all the
information, and the HTML hanger on serves no purpose except to consume
my disk space at 4 times the rate.

Nicholas Clark

Re: Test from uuencode boy

2001-04-04 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:15:21PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether:
  test.  can you read this one, or is it attached?  This is in Microsoft
  Outlook Rich Text.  The previous mails have been sent in Plain Text.  
 Okay, you have a 17-line corporate .signature. This means that every
 post from you must contain at least 17 lines of Perl/Buffy-related
 discussion or you'll get killfiled ;-)

Surely s/you/that address/ ?

And as I would assume that it's mandatory that anything coming from an address has that sort of disclaimer on it, wouldn't it be easier
to obtain an address outside so that you can avoid having the
disclaimer in the first place?

Otherwise at least 17 lines of on-topic discussion per message is going to
unacceptably increase the signal to noise on this list, I'd guess.

Nicholas Clark

Re: upgrading, and modules

2001-03-29 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:33:40PM +0100, jo walsh wrote:
 i'm about to upgrade state51's production server's perl and mod_perl to
 5.6, and it occurs to me that 5.6.1 might be due out RSN.
 question is, will i have to rebuild modules built for 5.6 so they'll work
 with 5.6.1?

I would be very surprised if you did have to if you configure with the
same options.

 if i had to rebuild modules, i'd try to justify waiting, if the wait for
 5.6.1's not going to be more than a week or two - is that hopelessly
 optimistic? oh, it is, isn't it *sigh*

It may not be hopelessly optimistic

 i tried asking #perl but they were, um, inarticulate
 any advice *much* apprec

I'd suggest that you get 5.6.1-TRIAL3 from GSAR's CPAN directory, build
that somewhere away from production, and see what happens.
Sarathy has said on p5p that there's going to be very little changed
between TRIAL3 and the real thing

Nicholas Clark