Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Tue, 22 May 2001, David H. Adler wrote: > > Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, > > if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, > > then well done Mr Adler. > > Ah, I wish... > > The truth is somewhere in between. I got a Burns Marq

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 08:43:39AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: > > >On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do,

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: > >On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > > > Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then > > > they're in for a big shock. > > > >...and you can just imagine

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: >On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then > > they're in for a big shock. > >...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing >technical boo

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then > they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing technical books... :-) dha, used some of his editing money to b

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

> I object to paying 3.99 gbp (for a single), or 12.99gbp (for an album > track) to just get one song. However, if I hear another track from those > artists, and like it, I will probably get the full album. Then exercise your right not to buy it - then don't steal it. You don't have a divine rig

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:05:20PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > > >You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is > >stealing copies of your book on line. > > True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I have only ever us

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: > The interesting question for me is : if I already own a paper copy of the > book, which costs 30p to produce and the remaining £39.70 is for 'a > licence on the copyright' .. why do I have to pay full price for a CD > version as well? ... seems to me th

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:08:22PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > The interesting question for me is : if I already own a paper copy of the > book, which costs 30p to produce and the remaining ?39.70 is for 'a > licence on the copyright' Whence did you pluck these figures, if it's not completely o

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > Niklas Nordebo [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: > *>On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 07:27:39AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > *>> You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is > *>> stealing copies of your book on line. > *> > *>Ah, go

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

Niklas Nordebo [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *>On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 07:27:39AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: *>> You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is *>> stealing copies of your book on line. *> *>Ah, good old "piracy is theft" analogy - what would we do without

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

:05 Subject: Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it? > At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > > >You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is > >stealing copies of your book on line. > > True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: >You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is >stealing copies of your book on line. True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I have only ever used Napster to find copies of unavailable music. Dave... --

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:15:44PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo wrote: > Seriously, I don't advocate copyright violation, but I much prefer it to > theft or high sea piracy if people are going to commit crimes. I always found arms trafficking far more fun. Although I supposed nowadays we should be shipp

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 07:27:39AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is > stealing copies of your book on line. Ah, good old "piracy is theft" analogy - what would we do without you? I think I'll start reloading that russian site

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *> *>I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books *>_is_ advocating piracy. YMMV. In a world that advocates Napster, this is no different. Someone buys a copy of the book, scans it in and shares it with the world. Outrage by the

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:49:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books > _is_ advocating piracy. YMMV. "Here is how to do it. Now *you* have a choice." Have you read "A treatise on the construction of locks"? -- "The C Programmi

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:23:05AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > I have in the past had a pirate copy of O'Reillys Network Bookshelf ... > but a) I would not have paid for the CD in the first place and b) Iliked > what I saw so much that I went on to buy a whole bookcase full of > O'Reilly stuff.

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 09:10:02PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > I'm curious what the perceived payback is on books: kudos on the one > hand, benefit to humankind on the other, and then cash. How does it > all stack up? The kudos is fun but unless you write something completely earth-shattering,

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > At 00:18 20/05/2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: > > > I suppose the issue with books as PDF is that it leaves you wide open to > rampant > > copying... > > A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel > thinks it's clever to dist

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Barry Pretsell wrote: > > A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel > > thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website. > > Why do Manning sell their books online as pdf files? and do they plan to > stop it > now that rampant

Piracy (was Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?)

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > At 17:28 19/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > >On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: > > > > > Robin Houston writes: > > > > Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://xx.xxx.xx/ > > > > > > I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Per

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

At 10:14 20/05/2001, Barry Pretsell wrote: > > A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel > > thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website. > >Why do Manning sell their books online as pdf files? and do they plan to >stop it now that rampant cop

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

- Original Message - From: "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:11 AM Subject: Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it? > At 00:18 20/05/2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: > > > I suppose the issue with bo

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

At 00:18 20/05/2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: > I suppose the issue with books as PDF is that it leaves you wide open to rampant > copying... A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website. Dave... --

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

At 17:28 19/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: >On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: > > > Robin Houston writes: > > > Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/ > > > > I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers, > > of all people, would advocate pirating t

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

At 01:46 20/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote: >On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:20:31AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: > > Who here has written a book? Simon and Dave at least. It's not easy, > > is it? > >You're asking the wrong guy. I don't write books for money, I write >them to contribute information.

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

At 12:12 19/05/2001, Robin Houston wrote: >On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: > > It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions > > of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari > > subscribers out there with an opinion? > >Don

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:46:32AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:20:31AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: > > Who here has written a book? Simon and Dave at least. It's not easy, > > is it? > > You're asking the wrong guy. I don't write books for money, I write > them t

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:20:31AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: > Who here has written a book? Simon and Dave at least. It's not easy, > is it? You're asking the wrong guy. I don't write books for money, I write them to contribute information. This is why, unlike some people, I don't blatan

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

-Original Message-From: Barry Pretsell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I'm interested to know if anyone uses Safari to read O'Reilly books online. >http://safari1.oreilly.com/tablhom.asp?home   >It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions o

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When you don't pay money, whether you justify it because you already > own the book, or because you're a poor student, you're screwing the > authors. "But they won't miss my $1". Your dollar is no different > from ev

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: > Robin Houston writes: > > Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/ > > I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers, > of all people, would advocate pirating the Camel. Yeah, way to thank > Larry! > I'm not entir

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

Robin Houston writes: > Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/ I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers, of all people, would advocate pirating the Camel. Yeah, way to thank Larry! Nat

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

Robin Houston writes: > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: > > It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions > > of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari > > subscribers out there with an opinion? > > Don't forget the eve

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: > It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions > of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari > subscribers out there with an opinion? Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/

O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

I'm interested to know if anyone uses Safari to read O'Reilly books online. http://safari1.oreilly.com/tablhom.asp?home   It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari subscribers out there with an opinion