On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Fabian Thorns fab...@thorns.it wrote:
From my point of view the only remaining question is whether we consider
this that naturally that we don't want to mention it explicitly or if
there
On 16 July 2014 08:49, Fabian Thorns fab...@thorns.it wrote:
On 07/16/2014 02:36 AM, G. Matthew Rice wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
So _everyone_ needs to know Class A, B and C if they are going to remotely
do any DNS administration. So it's
Alessandro Selli wrote:
My vote is in favour of CIDR and VLSM notation, and against mention of
A, B and C network classes.
I think it's a complete no-brainer that the principles of CIDR should be part
of the exam. I don't think »VLSM notation« is even a thing.
Our training materials mention
Anselm Lingnau wrote:
Alessandro Selli wrote:
My vote is in favour of CIDR and VLSM notation, and against mention of
A, B and C network classes.
I think it's a complete no-brainer that the principles of CIDR should be part
of the exam.
Several things are a complete no-brainer, but there
On 15/07/2014 13:27, Marc Baudoin wrote:
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com écrit :
It's because the objectives are not in *any* order. They form a simple
list of stuff that a minimally qualified candidate ought to know.
It is true that the objectives have names starting with numbers and
Alan McKinnon wrote:
[...]
2. People shouldn't assume there is any inherent ordering in the
objectives and should stop trying to map objectives to the chapters in
books.
+1
This is typical of the learn-by-rote+answer-predictable-questions
approach to several popular certification programs.
Alessandro Selli wrote:
When I train people to LPI certification objectives I train them to
pass LPIC-1 certification exams, not to be good, all-round GNU/Linux
sysadmins.
That's the difference between the two of us then. At Linup Front GmbH, we
don't »teach to the exam«. The goal of our
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
Introduce the common IPv4 /8, /16 and /24 CIDRs as examples, noting they
are the Classful A, B and C subnets. After all, one is also going to have
to introduce the IPv4 Reserve Private Subnets as well.
I guess this is
Anselm Lingnau wrote:
Alessandro Selli wrote:
When I train people to LPI certification objectives I train them to
pass LPIC-1 certification exams, not to be good, all-round GNU/Linux
sysadmins.
That's the difference between the two of us then.
Not really. This is the difference
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com
wrote:
It's foundational to what end? System administration? Network
administration? Security? LPIC-1 is not foundational to everything
Linux. It's foundational to an end user perspective and to basic
Linux-box setup
Bryan J Smith wrote:
Again ... because I must seem to be some sort of 'Village Idiot' in
some minds, I'll try this again ...
Never mind.
My time's up, anyway.
Good bye,
Alessandro
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Anselm Lingnau anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de écrit :
Marc Baudoin wrote:
Why make things difficult when it would be easy to make them
simpler?
I have been in the business of writing Linux training materials for more than
ten years now and you can take it from me that there is no
Marc Baudoin wrote:
[...]
Basic shell first. Then vi because file management needs files... And
it's a good idea to deal with vi soon so that people can use it to
take notes.
I disagree. Vi needs to be covered *after* regular expressions are
covered, as they are one of it's strong
I agree with Anselm.
I favor to keep the numbering scheme for the topics consistent with past
releases. That helps discussing them, helps the authors of documentation and
software based on LPI
Ingo
Am 15.07.2014 13:41, schrieb Anselm Lingnau:
Marc Baudoin wrote:
Why make things difficult
Marc Baudoin wrote:
Did I say it was cosmetic?
It is cosmetic because the order of objectives in the list does not matter for
teaching. There are various issues about LPIC-1 that deserve looking at but
the order of the objectives should probably not be the first thing.
But trainees worry
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
It is true that the objectives have names starting with numbers and that
you can sort them by those numbers. But I don't believe you should take
that to mean they follow a strict sequence for teaching purposes. To
Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com écrit :
Marc Baudoin wrote:
Basic shell first. Then vi because file management needs files...
And it's a good idea to deal with vi soon so that people can use
it to take notes.
I disagree. Vi needs to be covered *after* regular expressions
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Marc Baudoin mbaud...@linagora.com wrote:
So I'm going to break the silence.
But on the day that we're supposed to go from draft to released? I'm
gonna get you for this. ;)
I've already said that a few years ago but the order of the
objectives is not
G. Matthew Rice m...@starnix.com écrit :
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Marc Baudoin mbaud...@linagora.com wrote:
So I'm going to break the silence.
But on the day that we're supposed to go from draft to released? I'm
gonna get you for this. ;)
Was there a calendar? Sorry about that.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Marc Baudoin mbaud...@linagora.com wrote:
Isn't 102.1 (designing hard disk layouts) and 102.2 (installing a boot
manager) part of doing a Linux install?
Of course but 102.1 and 102.2, if I'm not mistaken, focus on the
manual part of things.
Sure but the
G. Matthew Rice wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Marc Baudoinmbaud...@linagora.com wrote:
[...]
In 103.1, . and source would make more sense in 105.2.
I think that it would better in 105.1 (ie. for sourcing bashrcs and
login/logouts). And revisited in 105.2 (or left as an 'aha'
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Alessandro Selli
alessandrose...@linux.com wrote:
I did drop resolv.conf from 109.2, though.It is DNS.
109.1 Fundamentals of internet protocols lists port 53 (domain) in the
Knowledge about common TCP and UDP ports section, though.
resolv.conf is still in
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Alexandru Juncu al...@linux.com wrote:
About the Subnetting, how in depth should this be treated? Because,
for example, Cisco CCNA courses dedicate entire chapter for this. I
noticed that LPIC treaded the idea of subnet only at classful
boundaries (with class
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Alessandro Selli
alessandrose...@linux.com wrote:
along with organic learning. I'd have to agree there. That's why
I'm a bigger fan of internships and mentoring than bums in seats
training.
Bums in seats training, that's a new one on me. But I think I'm
Am 15.07.2014 20:26, schrieb Fabian Thorns:
Would it help to add CIDR as the list of terms?
I think this is a good idea because CIDR is absolutely basic knowledge.
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In developing the Partner training on RHEL7, I'll give some insights I came
to here.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Fabian Thorns fab...@thorns.it wrote:
I'd consider CIDR the only possible approach there days, too.
Yes, everything is, essentially, classless these days. However, one
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
I.e., IANA
...
assigned
...
IPv4 blocks by Class.
So while you cover CIDR by default, you still need to point out the IPv4
A, B and C classes.
And
I forgot the
major
point
here
...
Because of how
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
So _everyone_ needs to know Class A, B and C if they are going to remotely
do any DNS administration. So it's best to introduce them with their CIDR
for IPv4.
DNS servers/reverse records are part of LPIC-2, though.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:36 PM, G. Matthew Rice m...@starnix.com wrote:
DNS servers/reverse records are part of LPIC-2, though.
LPIC-1 is about being a consumer of DNS services.
Just like I don't put DNS as part of my Physical-Logical-Transport
section, but I _do_ introduce CIDR with the
of LPIC-1, LPIC-304 and Linux Essentials
Objectives
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
So _everyone_ needs to know Class A, B and C if they are going to remotely
do any DNS administration. So it's best to introduce them with their CIDR
for IPv4.
DNS servers
On 7/15/2014 20:36, G. Matthew Rice wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
So _everyone_ needs to know Class A, B and C if they are going to remotely
do any DNS administration. So it's best to introduce them with their CIDR
for IPv4.
DNS
On 07/16/2014 02:36 AM, G. Matthew Rice wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Bryan J Smith b.j.sm...@ieee.org wrote:
So _everyone_ needs to know Class A, B and C if they are going to remotely
do any DNS administration. So it's best to introduce them with their CIDR
for IPv4.
DNS
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Anselm Lingnau
anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de wrote:
Having said that, a major revision of LPIC-1 was rumoured to be in the works
for this year (the LPI tries to maintain a 5-year cycle for major revisions).
So far this list has been suspiciously silent,
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