Re: [Lsr] Min Links for Multiple Failures on Flooding Topology

2019-04-18 Thread David Allan I
Hi Huaimo: Thanks for replying, my comments in line prefaced with DA2> 1. The alternate backup path would appear to also require the criteria of being link diverse with the FT if the goal is to protect against multiple failures. [HC]: Can you give some more details about this?

Re: [Lsr] Min Links for Multiple Failures on Flooding Topology

2019-04-14 Thread David Allan I
Hi Huaimo: Replies are in line….prefaced with DA> 1. The alternate backup path would appear to also require the criteria of being link diverse with the FT if the goal is to protect against multiple failures. [HC]: Can you give some more details about this? [DA] There is a bit

Re: [Lsr] Min Links for Multiple Failures on Flooding Topology

2019-04-12 Thread David Allan I
Hi A couple of quick observations…. 1. The alternate backup path would appear to also require the criteria of being link diverse with the FT if the goal is to protect against multiple failures. 2. If node failures are considered, I’m not sure what criteria is used to deem a bac

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: Open issues with Dynamic Flooding

2019-04-10 Thread David Allan I
Hi Tony: So for my edification/education, this is a general behavior that in the absence of any specific algorithm is postulated. (?) The piece I do not quite get is "adding until fixed". Is the working assumption that things have broken down to the point that there is no synchronization of

Re: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction

2019-04-05 Thread David Allan I
:44 PM To: David Allan I ; tony...@tony.li Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Jakob Heitz (jheitz) ; Peter Psenak (ppsenak) Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction Dave - IGP flooding on a link is by specification bidirectional. It is OK if A arbitrarily decides not to initiate flooding an LSP to neighbor B, but

Re: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction

2019-04-04 Thread David Allan I
directionality of the FT usage of a given link. Dave -Original Message- From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: David Allan I ; tony...@tony.li Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Jakob Heitz (jheitz) ; Peter Psenak (ppsenak) Subject: RE: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction Dave

Re: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction

2019-04-04 Thread David Allan I
44 PM To: tony...@tony.li; David Allan I Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Jakob Heitz (jheitz) ; Peter Psenak (ppsenak) Subject: RE: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction But the point that Peter has made needs to be heeded. Changing IGP flooding to be unidirectional is non-trivial and should not be done w/o justific

Re: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction

2019-04-04 Thread David Allan I
Hi Gents: The algorithm in draft-allan actually has the notion of upstream, downstream and both upstream and downstream FT adjacencies. However as a generalized form is still a WIP and has yet to demonstrate merit against any of the other approaches on the table, I'd not be looking to suggest a sp

Re: [Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding

2019-03-05 Thread David Allan I
Got it, thx -Original Message- From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 3:59 PM To: David Allan I Cc: Peter Psenak ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding Hi Dave, > My understanding of this whole endeavor is t

Re: [Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding

2019-03-05 Thread David Allan I
OK gents, sadly I’m losing the plot here.. My understanding of this whole endeavor is that: - excessive flooding slows convergence - so we are seeking to define a reduced flooding topology - a failure that does not impact an FT adjacency is propagated throughout the topology and the effects

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll.

2019-02-11 Thread David Allan I
Support -Original Message- From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 5:23 AM To: Christian Hopps ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-li-lsr-dynamic-flooding-02 + IPR poll. Speaking as a WG

Re: [Lsr] Moving Forward [Re: Flooding Reduction Draft Redux]

2019-02-03 Thread David Allan I
Makes sense to me, thanks for the clarity... Dave -Original Message- From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:14 PM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: Huaimo Chen ; lsr@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org; li_zhenqi...@hotmail.com; David Allan I Subject: Re: [Lsr

Re: [Lsr] Moving Forward [Re: Flooding Reduction Draft Redux]

2019-02-03 Thread David Allan I
With all respect, there are other distributed solutions on the table… Cheers Dave From: Lsr On Behalf Of li zhenqiang Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 1:28 AM To: Robert Raszuk ; Christian Hopps Cc: lsr Subject: Re: [Lsr] Moving Forward [Re: Flooding Reduction Draft Redux] Hello all,

Re: [Lsr] Moving Forward [Re: Flooding Reduction Draft Redux]

2019-02-01 Thread David Allan I
Agreed Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 4:26 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: cho...@chopps.org Subject: [Lsr] Moving Forward [Re: Flooding Reduction Draft Redux] Summary of where we are at with dynamic flooding reduction: -

Re: [Lsr] On flooding, diameter, and degree

2018-11-19 Thread David Allan I
HI Tony: Comments in line: From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:13 PM To: David Allan I Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] On flooding, diameter, and degree Dave, Thanks very much for commenting. I’m a bit confused about your column “Receipt Degree

Re: [Lsr] On flooding, diameter, and degree

2018-11-19 Thread David Allan I
HI Tony: Re: draft-allan-lsr-flooding-algorithm…. My draft falls under the “bushy” class of solutions, to borrow your terminology. So mapping to your datapoints and translating what I presented in Bangkok to actual numbers: Graph Fault free Single FaultReplication Receipt D