Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-04 Thread Rolf-Werner Eilert
Rob Owens schrieb: be the next stable release. But you can stay with testing permanently, and it will be like a rolling release. You'll have frequent updates available. I find that I get about the same volume of updates with Testing as I do with Ubuntu 7.10 or 8.04. But the Debian Testing

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-04 Thread Rolf-Werner Eilert
Jordan Erickson schrieb: Rob/all, I've been following this thread closely, and it seems a LOT of people are still on LTSP 4.2 and either CentOS or Debian. I have to ask, being an Ubuntu-only LTSP shop (right now, anyway) - are there issues regarding Firefox? OpenOffice? Crashes of any

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-04 Thread Ondrej Valousek
+1 for me. Ubuntu back porting policy is horrible and the last stable LTSP version is (have to say) still 4.2 where everything just worked. Unfortunately lots of new applications / desktops just need some recent X server so you are forced to LTSP-5. I must say I have already given up - I submitted

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-04 Thread David Burgess
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Jason Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, On 10/02/2008 01:15 PM, Jordan Erickson wrote: This is true, but I think most of the problems people have with Flash on LTSP is getting sound to work. That was the case at my small non-profit organization with

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-04 Thread Gudmund Areskoug
Hello Jordan, Jordan Erickson skrev: Just FWIW, I've seen Youtube and some other similar web thingies not work *on Windows* for various reasons, one of them being the need to upgrade Flash. This is true, but I think most of the problems people have with Flash on LTSP is getting sound to

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-04 Thread Patrick Rady
And here, my friends, is the ENTIRE problem. I should stress that I said *almost* afraid. I am enough of a nerd that I want to get my hands on the latest and greatest. I am testing Intrepid on my *home* machine and contributing bug reports. I go as far as testing it on small LTSP networks I

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-04 Thread Larry Stamm
Scott Balneaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 03:01:56PM -0400, Patrick Rady wrote: Actually, Intrepid pre-release has seemed less-crufty than Hardy. But I'm almost afraid to try testing it. And here, my friends, is the ENTIRE problem. We work very

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-03 Thread Patrick Rady
What you're looking for is very similar to what you get when you run Debian Testing. I think you should give it a try and see what you think. -Rob We may give Debian a try. At least on a test machine. I went on at length about some of our issues with Ubuntu-hardy, but my response got

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-03 Thread Rob Owens
Patrick Rady wrote: Firefox 3, seems to be a regression in terms of stability. It crashes on graphics intensive pages, it crashes with Flash. firefox-2 is available in the repositories if you want to try running that. -Rob The

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-03 Thread Ian Pascoe
-Original Message- From: Rob Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 October 2008 15:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith. Patrick Rady wrote: Firefox 3, seems to be a regression in terms of stability

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-02 Thread Gudmund Areskoug
Rob Owens skrev: I did some testing for you on a few of my systems. CentOS / LTSP 4.2 -- music works, but sound on YouTube doesn't. I installed an Alsa-ESD package to get music to work. I didn't do anything in attempt to get YouTube sound to work, but I hear there are some using it

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-02 Thread Jordan Erickson
Just FWIW, I've seen Youtube and some other similar web thingies not work *on Windows* for various reasons, one of them being the need to upgrade Flash. This is true, but I think most of the problems people have with Flash on LTSP is getting sound to work. I'm not sure if this is such an

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-02 Thread Jason Maas
Hi all, On 10/02/2008 01:15 PM, Jordan Erickson wrote: This is true, but I think most of the problems people have with Flash on LTSP is getting sound to work. That was the case at my small non-profit organization with LTSP 4.2. Now that we're using LTSP 5 (on Ubuntu Server 8.04 64-bit)

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-02 Thread Jordan Erickson
Jason, I'd have to first wonder what hardware you're running on the server. Flash *is* pretty CPU intensive, and when you have 1 person technically on the same box using it...network wouldn't matter TOO much. Of course, with what you're describing as your network setup, I'd have to assume your

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-01 Thread Rolf-Werner Eilert
And I saw once more the difference to a native speaker: didn't even notice any problem in that sentence, just accepting and understanding it... Still learning :-) Rolf David Burgess schrieb: Not that you were unclear, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to poke fun. db On Tue, Sep

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-01 Thread Rob Owens
I did some testing for you on a few of my systems. CentOS / LTSP 4.2 -- music works, but sound on YouTube doesn't. I installed an Alsa-ESD package to get music to work. I didn't do anything in attempt to get YouTube sound to work, but I hear there are some using it successfully. Debian Etch /

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-10-01 Thread Rob Owens
Jordan Erickson wrote: Patrick Rady wrote: *snip* With Ubuntu, there is a certain pressure to upgrade- if you want your users to have the latest versions of, say, OpenOffice. You need to upgrade (in my case because of weird bugs with print drivers we need to use) because they are so

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-30 Thread Rob Owens
Patrick Rady wrote: I've been working with LTSP for about a year and a half now. Specifically, LTSP on Ubuntu. We put LTSP-based thin client networks into nonprofits, I think that the open source world is a good fit for the nonprofit world and doing this we can free them from a lot of

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-30 Thread Jordan Erickson
Rob/all, I've been following this thread closely, and it seems a LOT of people are still on LTSP 4.2 and either CentOS or Debian. I have to ask, being an Ubuntu-only LTSP shop (right now, anyway) - are there issues regarding Firefox? OpenOffice? Crashes of any kind? Do you use Java web

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-30 Thread David Burgess
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Jordan Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip]... (I.E. don't crash consistently during normal browsing or using Java applets) ...[snip] Hmm, that's worded a bit roughly. How to fix that. Let's try IE doesn't crash consistently during normal browsing Reads

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-30 Thread Jordan Erickson
Heh, sorry David, I was cut/pasting on my Asus EEE. What I meant was, For example, FIREFOX doesn't crash during normal browsing or using Java applets I.E. - probably shouldn't have used that abbreviation, at least in the context of browsers - although your refined statement DOES tend to make

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-30 Thread David Burgess
Not that you were unclear, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to poke fun. db On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Jordan Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, sorry David, I was cut/pasting on my Asus EEE. What I meant was, For example, FIREFOX doesn't crash during normal browsing or using

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-30 Thread Jordan Erickson
(Heh, coincidentally my Thunderbird randomly crashed while writing a reply to this) Patrick Rady wrote: *snip* With Ubuntu, there is a certain pressure to upgrade- if you want your users to have the latest versions of, say, OpenOffice. You need to upgrade (in my case because of weird bugs

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-28 Thread CyberOrg
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Patrick Rady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically, which distros support LTSP and are suited to a desktop/office environment. I want stability and environment for non-computer oriented people to have a desktop that just works- especially things like the

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-28 Thread Peter Scheie
Not to put too fine a point on it, but your requirement of a desktop that just works- especially things like the multimedia web surfing experience is a contradiction in terms. It is the mulitmedia web stuff that is hard, cutting-edge (perhaps bleeding-edge) and constantly changing and makes

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-28 Thread Patrick Rady
Administrator, npServ - Original Message - From: Peter Scheie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:44:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith. Not to put too fine a point on it, but your

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-28 Thread Jordan Erickson
Patrick Rady wrote: I need something that will work for office work and for volunteers that want to do things like outreach on dodgy social sites and stuff that requires multimedia. I find its a tough sell to tell people coming from MS Windows environments that they can't expect to use

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-28 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:13:02 -0400 Patrick Rady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find its a tough sell to tell people coming from MS Windows environments that they can't expect to use YouTube anymore, or listen to a webinar. If you really need something thatt works exactly like Microsoft Windows,

[Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-27 Thread Patrick Rady
I've been working with LTSP for about a year and a half now. Specifically, LTSP on Ubuntu. We put LTSP-based thin client networks into nonprofits, I think that the open source world is a good fit for the nonprofit world and doing this we can free them from a lot of the expense of closed

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] A crisis of LTSP faith.

2008-09-27 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:14:25 -0400 Patrick Rady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically, which distros support LTSP and are suited to a desktop/office environment. I use LTSP 4.2 on Centos 5 with several Neoware Capio 600-series terminals in a print shop that creates 3 weekly classified ad