Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

[Andrew Woodhead]

Boot th CD, when you see the first boot screen press spacebar and select
check CD, you can also test your RAM here too



On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> If I recall, the routine for testing the CD that is on the CD will report
> failure.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers
>
>  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers>Has the work-around for it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> When you see the First boot screen, press pace and you will get the normal
>> text boot screen. You can now test the CD for defects. A slow burn and MD5
>> success will pretty much garuntee this but it's worth a test. The same
>> screen can test the ram.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Lane Lester wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
>>> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did you MD5 test the ISO?
>>>
>>>
>>> No, but I just did, and it's correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did you burn as SLOWLY as you could?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, 8.
>>>
>>>
>>>>  Have you checked the CD for defects?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, don't know how. How does one do that?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Have you tested your RAM for errors?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, because I often install new distros, and I recently installed the
>>> Ubuntu Minimal CD Alpha 2 without difficulty.
>>>
>>> OTOH, my fairly new motherboard has an nVidia chipset, which sometimes
>>> causes problems.
>>>
>>> Lane
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Lane Lester wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Andrew. When the nomodeset didn't work, I tried that post's
>>>>> second option:
>>>>> i915.modeset=0 xforcevesa
>>>>> but it stopped at the same place, although with a small font.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lane
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   *Lane Lester*
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

[Andrew Woodhead]

When you see the First boot screen, press pace and you will get the normal
text boot screen. You can now test the CD for defects. A slow burn and MD5
success will pretty much garuntee this but it's worth a test. The same
screen can test the ram.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Lane Lester  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you MD5 test the ISO?
>
>
> No, but I just did, and it's correct.
>
>
>> Did you burn as SLOWLY as you could?
>>
>
> Yes, 8.
>
>
>> Have you checked the CD for defects?
>>
>
> No, don't know how. How does one do that?
>
>
>> Have you tested your RAM for errors?
>>
>
> No, because I often install new distros, and I recently installed the
> Ubuntu Minimal CD Alpha 2 without difficulty.
>
> OTOH, my fairly new motherboard has an nVidia chipset, which sometimes
> causes problems.
>
> Lane
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Lane Lester wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Andrew. When the nomodeset didn't work, I tried that post's
>>> second option:
>>> i915.modeset=0 xforcevesa
>>> but it stopped at the same place, although with a small font.
>>>
>>> Lane
>>>
>>
>>   *Lane Lester*
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

[Andrew Woodhead]

Did you MD5 test the ISO?
Did you burn as SLOWLY as you could?
Have you checked the CD for defects?
Have you tested your RAM for errors?


On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Lane Lester  wrote:

> Thanks, Andrew. When the nomodeset didn't work, I tried that post's second
> option:
> i915.modeset=0 xforcevesa
> but it stopped at the same place, although with a small font.
>
> Lane
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Lane Lester wrote:
>>
>>>  I downloaded, burned, and booted the new Alpha2, but it died along the
>>> way with a black screen. No error messages preceded its death. Is there a
>>> boot/install option that will spew those progress messages across the screen
>>> so I may have a clue about the cause of death?
>>>
>>> Lane
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

[Andrew Woodhead]

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html


On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Lane Lester  wrote:

> I downloaded, burned, and booted the new Alpha2, but it died along the way
> with a black screen. No error messages preceded its death. Is there a
> boot/install option that will spew those progress messages across the screen
> so I may have a clue about the cause of death?
>
> Lane
>   *Lane Lester*
>  The Web Doctor 
> You can have your own website for just $10+10+10!
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> sites.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

[Andrew Woodhead]

Install wicd instead.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Mikhail Maksimov  wrote:

> Hi, list.
>
> Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
> NetworkManager (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
> the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
> default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
> Lubuntu CD?
>
> Regards!
> Mikhail
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changes to the seed

[Andrew Woodhead]

evince does a fine job, not too sure on its lightness but will review
-Andy

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I made some changes to the lubuntu-desktop package (which was a bit
> broken recently) for Maverick :
> - Replacing epdfview by evince : let's try if it's lightweight and good
> enough.
> - Adding ace-of-penguins : it's a collection of little games (cards,
> minesweeper ...). Not fancy but very lightweight :)
>
> Any feedbacks / tests are welcome.
>
> I don't plan to add any more modifications until Alpha 3, planned for 5
> or 6th August.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] problem with internet connection

[Andrew Woodhead]

Try editting /etc/resolv.conf and deleting ALL text then adding these 2
lines:

nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 8.8.4.4

Save the new file and close the editor. Then restart your browser, is it ok?



On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:01 PM, paolo liut  wrote:

> dear Lubuntu users,
> may be you can help to solve this issue: it has been always working but
> suddenly it stopped.
> It is dsl broadband , the other tools attached to the modem still work.
> Pleas help me!
> Thank you in advance
> Paolo
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some suggestions

[Andrew Woodhead]

If you tweak openoffice to use less ram, simple

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, John Zoidberg wrote:

> Slightly off-topic:
>
> >>3. Gnome office is a light office suite but very poor, Open Office is
> >>heavier but is a real working tool.
> > I do 95% of my 'office' work with Abiword, Gnumerics, Osmo and xpad.
>  Only rarely  do I require OOo, and usually that is to import some Excel
> spreadsheet.were somebody has used some dubious technique to achieve
> something that can be done in a simpler way.
> >
>
> That reminds me: I had problems switching between openoffice and
> gnumeric. One of them couldn't import the format of the other.
> Furthermore, there were big problems with the date format (DD/MM/YY
> and MM/DD/YY). Some kind of conflict between the system locale
> settings and the app settings.
> I'll have to analyze things a bit and make a bug report eventually.
>
> On-topic:
> I use both Chromium and Firefox. (Firefox+noscript+private mode for
> banking for instance)
> My main problem is that weave/sync and xmarks are unusable on my old
> laptop. They just completely hang everything when syncing.
> Firefox also tends to slow down the system sometimes.
> For browsers, seamonkey (default in Puppy Linux) could also be a good
> default choice.
> Other candidates might be midori, arora, epiphany.
>
> As for office stuff, I prefer OpenOffice, even if it takes more time
> to start. Especially after all the problems I had with portability of
> the gnumeric format and date formats.
> However, the goal of Lubuntu is to be lightweight, so it makes sense
> not to include it.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Only one password request?

[Andrew Woodhead]

Yeah that is normal. Happens on my Ubuntu desktop too.
-Andy

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:51:33 +0100
> Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Yorvyk  >wrote:
> >
> > > I noticed this before, but forgot about it. When you open any app
> > > requiring sudo privileges you only get one go at the password.  If you
> get
> > > it wrong you have to restart the app.  This is true in both Lucid and
> > > Maverick.  In X/Ubuntu you get several (three?) attempts, useful for
> clumsy
> > > typists.
> > >
> > Do you mean using gksudo or sudo in command line??
> >
> > Remember sudo is ONLY for command line apps and gksudo is for X based
> apps.
> > -Andy (actionParsnip)
> >
> sudo is OK, it gives you the three attempts.  gksu or gksudo only give the
> one attempt or something like synaptic gives only one attempt.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Only one password request?

[Andrew Woodhead]

Do you mean using gksudo or sudo in command line??

Remember sudo is ONLY for command line apps and gksudo is for X based apps.
-Andy (actionParsnip)


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

> I noticed this before, but forgot about it. When you open any app
> requireing sudo privilages you only get one go at the password.  If you get
> it wrong you have to restart the app.  This is true in both Lucid and
> Maverick.  In X/Ubuntu you get several (three?) attempts, useful for clumsy
> typists.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC bots

[Andrew Woodhead]

to add to ubottu (the bot in #ubuntu) run:

!factoid is description

e.g.

!eggs is Eggs are laid by chickns and can be made into tasty omelettes


etc.
Run this in #ubuntu channel and it will be reviewed for addition.



On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> *ubot2*
>
> in amongst my travels I've had a chat about the little room bots that live
> on rooms like #ubuntu-beginners that people can ask questions of (try
> entering !grub and !grub2 on that room). I have been informed that we can
> have the ubot2 added to #lubuntu if we wish. This would give access to a
> quick way of people getting information. I've also asked about the adding to
> the ubot2 (for example lxterminal) and have been told that this can be
> requested.
>
> *meeting bot*
>
> We can also have a meeting bot added, so any meeting that we hold on
> #lubuntu will be automatically formatted and archived. Zach had a play with
> it on the #ubuntu-beginners-wiki channel. The result of it can be found at
> http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-beginners-wiki/2010/ubuntu-beginners-wiki.2010-07-11-15.57.html
>   (I
> hasten to add, it was just Zach  learning from Alan a bit about how the bot
> works, with me looking on ;-)  )
>
> I propose that we have this functionality added to #lubuntu, please let me
> know whether to ask for either or both to be added.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and openjava-jre

[Andrew Woodhead]

If you install the java packages as normal you need to symlink the
plugin file into /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
Unfortunately the packages assume everybody uses crappy firefox.

I believe gtkpod talks to ipods. I can't comment first hand as I am
not an isheep.

Hth



On Monday, July 5, 2010, Yorvyk  wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:35:14 -0400
> Daniel Hallett  wrote:
>
>> Is there going to be flash in chrome on lubuntu? If not how do I get 
>> openjava-jdk-jre working properly on lubuntu? How do I get the sound on 
>> lubuntu working properly?
>> I'm using lubuntu 10.04 on zareason terra a20 with 2 gigs ram. 160 gig HDD. 
>> Is there a better player that I can use to sync my iPod touch 2G? I used to 
>> use amerok on kubuntu before I started to use lubuntu. Keep chromium for the 
>> web browser for lubuntu. And better .deb installation support and o can't 
>> even force install opera browser.
>>
> Not entirely sure I understand all of this.
> Enabling the 'partner repository' will allow you to install Adobe Flash 
> Player.
> What problem do you have with sound?
> Don’t own an iPod so, no idea.
> Never had a problem installing Opera, either by downloading the .deb or using 
> Opera’s repositories. Did you follow the instructions in the previous your 
> previous thread?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

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Burn as SLOWLY as you are allowed. Even 1x if you can. It will give a better
image on the CD and will reduce errors by jitter and such. Using a USB
device alleviates the need for moving CDs and such (assuming you can boot
USB). If not definately burn slow, try another brand if you still get issues
and try not to use CDRWs.
-Andy


On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Bob Trevithick wrote:

> @Phill: Thanks.. the 95% bug I should have looked up!  If I can ever
> burn a CD (see below) I'll try the install with ethernet unplugged. :)
>
> @Andy: Okay, this is weird.  I did check the md5sum of the ISO I
> downloaded, but I did *not* check the CD I burned.. and I should have.
>
> I've now made three coasters, four counting the original one, and no
> matter what system I use to burn the CD, the file boot.cat comes out
> with the wrong md5.  It's the only error on the CD.  Neither Brasero
> nor Xfburn can put this image on a CD without screwing up that one
> file.  And neither one warns me of the error.  I wonder why it's
> always the same file?
>
> Anyway, my apologies.. I should have checked the CD as well as the
> ISO, obviously!  There's something I won't forget to do ever again. :)
>  Now if I can just get it to burn accurately, just once, I can start
> over and hopefully things will work better.
>
> Regards,
> Bob
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

[Andrew Woodhead]

Did you MD5 test the ISO?
If you installed using a CD, did you check the CD for defects?

-Andy

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Bob Trevithick wrote:

> I just did the alpha-2 install on my Mini-9 "Netbook", and there were
> various little issues that arose.  I'm not sure what level of detail
> you want at this point, or if you want a distinct thread started for
> each issue, so I'll just quickly list some here and perhaps you could
> indicate which, if any, are of interest to pursue further?
>
> 1 - Install went fine until it reached the 95% point of "Installing
> System, running dpkg", at which point it simply stopped for about a
> half hour and then completed the install successfully.  I was almost
> ready to abort, and I suspect many people would have.
>
> 2 - My screen was so dim that it literally wasn't usable until I
> Googled for this issue and added appropriate commands to the grub
> startup command (both during the install and for subsequent boots).
>
> 3 - On first run of Synaptic, it reports Auto Removable items.  It
> also generates errors, when I "Reload", about signatures which
> couldn't be verified.
>
> 4 - The browser has some minor problems, but I see that there are
> already bugs filed on chromium-browser which cover those.
>
> I haven't had a chance to test it much.  Is there a particular test
> regimen you'd like run, or aren't we at that point quite yet?
>
> Regards,
> Bob
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Opera browser on lubuntu

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There is a generic Opera repository available at http://deb.opera.com (with
full description of how to add it). Canonical repository for Opera no longer
works.

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free

The line above will make sure you get all final public releases. Add the
following line if you want to get the newer alpha and beta releases instead.

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ stable non-free

It is advisable that you add the Opera GPG key.

wget -O - http://deb.opera.com/archive.key | sudo apt-key add -

(If you get "The following packages cannot be authenticated" warnings,
you'll also need this:)

sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring

Install via the shell

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install opera






On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 15:14:18 -0600
> Daniel Hallett  wrote:
>
> > How am I able to install the .deb file on lubuntu? And how am I able to
> auto install updates for lubuntu?
> > I am using lubuntu 10.04.
> > Sent from my iPod
> >
> Forgot to ask in my previous post.  Why have you titled your post 'Opera
> browser on lubuntu'?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Opera browser on lubuntu

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To install a deb file you can use:

sudo dpkg -i file.deb

And it will install, you can make apt attempt to satisfy dependancys (if
they are needed) with:

sudo apt-get -f install

Should be fine
-Andy


On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Daniel Hallett wrote:

> How am I able to install the .deb file on lubuntu? And how am I able to
> auto install updates for lubuntu?
> I am using lubuntu 10.04.
> Sent from my iPod
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] usb sound

[Andrew Woodhead]

No I just use one that plugs into my already configured soundcard. Using USB
for audio just over complicates things and I have no idea why the idea has
taken on so much. We have audio in and out on the soundcards we use, even
ones back i the ealy 90s had them. Why can't we just use those. So much
easier, no drivers, no worries. Just slam it in and BAM!! It works.



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> Hi,
>
> has any one got either a set of usb speakers or usb head phones ?
>
> an OP on IRC could not get theirs to work, and not having a set I couldn't
> help. It will, no doubt, be some silly setting :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

[Andrew Woodhead]

I use the 64bit PPA, works great

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Jaeic Lee  wrote:

> That's how it is for me too, I just have to install the plugin and chromium
> picks it up automatically.
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Steve wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 08:33 -0400, Bob Trevithick wrote:
>> > If for some reason Chromium doesn't pick up the copy of the plugin in
>> > the mozilla directory, maybe making a symbolic link would be a better
>> > option?  That way any updates would automatically be applied to
>> > Chromium's version, and there's less disk wasted?  --Bob
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin 
>> wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
>> > > Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
>> > >
>> > > And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated
>> > > and it's enabled by default now).
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Kind regards,
>> > > Chow Loong Jin
>> > >
>> Unless I’m missing something, all I did was ensure the Partner
>> Repository was enabled and did an 'apt-get adobe-flashplugin'. Start
>> Chromium and flash functions OK.  This was on a clean Lucid install.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> http://lubuntu.net/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

[Andrew Woodhead]

Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

Simples


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Okay, I can leave that bit out, it is just I know that set of instructions
> work so am not to blame if it does not work for the next peron ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100
>> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi gang,
>> >
>> > I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until
>> > that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
>> >
>> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
>> > over
>> > onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the
>> > place for it.
>> >
>> > First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser
>> >
>> > Now you need to install flash using the following command
>> >
>> > sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
>> >
>> > Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
>> > /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory
>> >
>> > sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
>> > /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
>>
>> I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium
>> automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as
>> well.
>>
>> > [...]
>>
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>> Chow Loong Jin
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

[Andrew Woodhead]

I'd just like to add one thing that EVERYBODY is forgettin

GRUB IS NOT THE *ONLY* BOOTLOADER

Try LILO, It is a perfectly fine bootloader, or am I just thinking
outside the box here and being too radical. Just because Grub is default
in Ubuntu doesn't mean it is the best solution. You could also try BURG

-Andy



On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 08:33 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
> hi Goh,
> 
> 
> yes, there is, it is not a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also
> the work around for a bug that one of the
> devs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  
> says is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with 
> problems over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is still to 
> use still to use  "dpkg-reconfigure" and not apt-get etc.
> 
> 
> I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
> mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a
> strong sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the
> grub team have messed up (again) and to continue to use the
> dpkg-reconfigure option. I recall that grub2 came out and totally
> broke RAID support. They have been playing catch up ever since. Given
> the chance, I'd use burg as it is more pro-active and re-active to
> problems.
> 
> 
> I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause
> major problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that
> is beyond dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a
> newer version that gave some RAID support, but they would not back
> port it, when 10.04 came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that
> is still a 'work around'. 
> 
> 
> Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will
> not that there is one - It must be sorted out.
> 
> 
> Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
> problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non
> booting mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not
> fall into the trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When
> we do tempt people over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is
> a broken system they will not only never come back, they will tell
> everyone that *nix breaks computers. That is not acceptable, we are in
> the hands of the Grub people - so people should complain there and we
> should ensure that people asking why lubuntu does not work in such
> situations are clearly told that it is not a fault of lubuntu.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Goh Lip  wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:12:35 +0100
> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Goh,
> >
> > I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?
> >
> > Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it
> does not
> > break anything.
> >
> > At present it can totally break things. There is no point
> arguing
> > over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it
> has broken
> > there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a
> lot of
> > people saying that it does.
> >
> > The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the
> 'older'
> > grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread
> fully
> >
> > some links to read,
> 
> 
> Phillip, have read your links above. To add, there are some
> problems
> not in your links related to Dell's recovery system, raid, lvm
> and
> others...but not to denigrate your specific issue which is
> the
> failure to install by "install grub-pc" and you have found
> success by "sudo apt-get install grub-pc";  yes, you're right,
> I cannot
> see the point arguing that it should just work with "install
> grub-pc"
> and not just "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". You do not seem
> to have
> read how to use 'sudo' and 'apt-get' rather than understanding
> how to
> install grub.
> 
> Are there any more specific issues with grub you like to bring
> up
> rather than saying I haven't read fully?
> 
> 
> Goh Lip
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] put back task bar(Window List) lxde

[Andrew Woodhead]

Right click the panel -> properties (or edit panel). You will then see a
dialogue like this:
http://lxde.sourceforge.net/screenshots/lxpanel_pref.png

You can then readd the task bar (window list) item

all done


On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Hi,
>
> well, it had to happen :-)
>
> Remove "Task Bar" (Windows List) From Panel
>
> Once someone has done that, how do they get it back? (I'm too big a coward
> to try that on my system, so it's possibly one for the devs)
>
> Thanks,
> Phill.
> it reminds me of the "Do NOT remove network manager" warning I see on the
> support forum
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] key error

[Andrew Woodhead]

Sure, they are mirrored from the other servers. There are LOADS of key
servers, just that everyone seems hell bent to using one then wondering why
they get timeouts. I think its comical. The keys are added so that you know
the packages are from the maintainers repo. They are used to decrypt the
data (as far as I am aware), so a key is a key, as long as the data is
decrypted it is ok..

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> I am happy to do so, but is it a _safe_ place to get the keys from?
>
> I'd hate to send someone there and them have a problem, I'm sure you know
> what I mean in that regard as keys are important.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah that server gets swamped due to every man and his dog using it. If
>> you use a different one then you will more than likely get a response. Go
>> underground baby, YEAH!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Andrew,
>>>
>>> that worked :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Phill.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
>>> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver p <http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/>gp.mit.edu
>>>>  --recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
>>>>
>>>> Should be ok
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Phillip Whiteside 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi gang,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an OP on with a problem, the pastebin is due to expire, so I
>>>>> include it at the bottom. Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> (23:26:47) xsaiddx: hello guys
>>>>> (23:26:55) *gilir left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat).*
>>>>> (23:27:31) xsaiddx: how can i keep lubuntu updated cus i keep gettin
>>>>> those updates of ubuntu
>>>>> (23:29:43) phillw: hi xsaiddx, one moment, i'll go get the link
>>>>> (23:30:06) xsaiddx: phillw: okies : D
>>>>> (23:30:28) phillw: xsaiddx:
>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Keep%20Lubuntu%20up-to-date
>>>>> (23:31:45) xsaiddx: yeh i did that and when i push update via synaptic
>>>>> it gives me some errors
>>>>> (23:31:53) *vitium1 [~starc...@81-86-175-58.dsl.pipex.com] entered the
>>>>> room.*
>>>>> (23:31:54) phillw: what errors?
>>>>> (23:32:00) xsaiddx: and can i take of those lines in the source list
>>>>> of ubuntu
>>>>> (23:32:06) xsaiddx: hang on
>>>>> (23:32:43) *vitium left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds).*
>>>>> (23:34:52) xsaiddx: its error GPG http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid
>>>>> Release: cant verify those signatues cus the public key its unavailable
>>>>> (23:36:17) xsaiddx: signatures beacause the public key its unavailable
>>>>> (23:36:44) phillw: xsaiddx: can you try this from a terminal and let
>>>>> me know what it says
>>>>> (23:36:46) phillw: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
>>>>> (23:37:33) xsaiddx: did it just now and can i take off those lines fo
>>>>> ubuntu ??
>>>>> (23:37:45) xsaiddx: in the source-list file ?
>>>>> (23:38:35) xsaiddx: is gives me this and sumthin else gpgkeys: HTTP
>>>>> fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
>>>>> (23:39:15) phillw: I'm not sure what you have in your listing to be
>>>>> checked, that command will give you the lubuntu one, I've seen that error
>>>>> before when one of the servers for updates has been down.
>>>>> (23:40:30) xsaiddx: ahh and can i give you my source list file ??
>>>>> (23:40:52) phillw: how familiar are you with the terminal?
>>>>> (23:41:52) xsaiddx: and i kno the basic commandes tho
>>>>> (23:42:16) xsaiddx: why?
>>>>> (23:43:55) phillw: there is a thread on such things happening, take a
>>>>> look at it and see if it is what you are seeing
>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1221323.html
>>>>> (23:44:12) phillw: If that is not it, I will look for another thread
>>>>> (23:44:19) xsaiddx: ok thanks
>>>>> (23:49:14) xsaiddx: i ead that i have to put the key into this
>>>>> commande but id

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] key error

[Andrew Woodhead]

Yeah that server gets swamped due to every man and his dog using it. If you
use a different one then you will more than likely get a response. Go
underground baby, YEAH!



On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Thanks Andrew,
>
> that worked :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver p <http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/>gp.mit.edu
>>  --recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
>>
>> Should be ok
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
>>
>>> Hi gang,
>>>
>>> I have an OP on with a problem, the pastebin is due to expire, so I
>>> include it at the bottom. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> (23:26:47) xsaiddx: hello guys
>>> (23:26:55) *gilir left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat).*
>>> (23:27:31) xsaiddx: how can i keep lubuntu updated cus i keep gettin
>>> those updates of ubuntu
>>> (23:29:43) phillw: hi xsaiddx, one moment, i'll go get the link
>>> (23:30:06) xsaiddx: phillw: okies : D
>>> (23:30:28) phillw: xsaiddx:
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Keep%20Lubuntu%20up-to-date
>>> (23:31:45) xsaiddx: yeh i did that and when i push update via synaptic
>>> it gives me some errors
>>> (23:31:53) *vitium1 [~starc...@81-86-175-58.dsl.pipex.com] entered the
>>> room.*
>>> (23:31:54) phillw: what errors?
>>> (23:32:00) xsaiddx: and can i take of those lines in the source list of
>>> ubuntu
>>> (23:32:06) xsaiddx: hang on
>>> (23:32:43) *vitium left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds).*
>>> (23:34:52) xsaiddx: its error GPG http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid
>>> Release: cant verify those signatues cus the public key its unavailable
>>> (23:36:17) xsaiddx: signatures beacause the public key its unavailable
>>> (23:36:44) phillw: xsaiddx: can you try this from a terminal and let me
>>> know what it says
>>> (23:36:46) phillw: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
>>> (23:37:33) xsaiddx: did it just now and can i take off those lines fo
>>> ubuntu ??
>>> (23:37:45) xsaiddx: in the source-list file ?
>>> (23:38:35) xsaiddx: is gives me this and sumthin else gpgkeys: HTTP
>>> fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
>>> (23:39:15) phillw: I'm not sure what you have in your listing to be
>>> checked, that command will give you the lubuntu one, I've seen that error
>>> before when one of the servers for updates has been down.
>>> (23:40:30) xsaiddx: ahh and can i give you my source list file ??
>>> (23:40:52) phillw: how familiar are you with the terminal?
>>> (23:41:52) xsaiddx: and i kno the basic commandes tho
>>> (23:42:16) xsaiddx: why?
>>> (23:43:55) phillw: there is a thread on such things happening, take a
>>> look at it and see if it is what you are seeing
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1221323.html
>>> (23:44:12) phillw: If that is not it, I will look for another thread
>>> (23:44:19) xsaiddx: ok thanks
>>> (23:49:14) xsaiddx: i ead that i have to put the key into this commande
>>> but idont kno how sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
>>> keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys XXkeyIDX
>>> (23:49:22) xsaiddx: i read
>>> (23:51:32) xsaiddx: phillw: hello you there ?
>>> (23:51:43) ***phillw back
>>> (23:51:56) xsaiddx: wb
>>> (23:52:19) phillw: do you see which key is failing?
>>> (23:52:33) xsaiddx: yess
>>> (23:53:26) xsaiddx: here NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
>>> (23:53:39) xsaiddx: but how ican type it in hexadecimal
>>> (23:53:41) phillw: okies,
>>> (23:53:51) phillw: it is already in hex :-)
>>> (23:54:14) xsaiddx: :ZzZz
>>> (23:54:16) phillw: give me a moment to get the exact command for you
>>> (23:54:21) xsaiddx: ok
>>> (23:54:54) *n00bomatic2 left the room.*
>>> (23:55:06) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
>>> keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
>>> (23:55:24) ***phillw crosses fingers
>>> (23:55:43) *n00bomatic [~cyp...@g227070039.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered the
>>> room.*
>>> (23:56:05) xsaiddx: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
>>> (23:56:46) xsaiddx: phillw: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
>>> (23:57:00) phillw: xsaiddx: can you post up your full version of
>>> (23:57:02) phillw: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty
>>> Release: The following

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] key error

[Andrew Woodhead]

sudo apt-key adv --keyserver p gp.mit.edu
 --recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4

Should be ok

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> I have an OP on with a problem, the pastebin is due to expire, so I include
> it at the bottom. Any ideas?
>
> (23:26:47) xsaiddx: hello guys
> (23:26:55) *gilir left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat).*
> (23:27:31) xsaiddx: how can i keep lubuntu updated cus i keep gettin those
> updates of ubuntu
> (23:29:43) phillw: hi xsaiddx, one moment, i'll go get the link
> (23:30:06) xsaiddx: phillw: okies : D
> (23:30:28) phillw: xsaiddx:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Keep%20Lubuntu%20up-to-date
> (23:31:45) xsaiddx: yeh i did that and when i push update via synaptic it
> gives me some errors
> (23:31:53) *vitium1 [~starc...@81-86-175-58.dsl.pipex.com] entered the
> room.*
> (23:31:54) phillw: what errors?
> (23:32:00) xsaiddx: and can i take of those lines in the source list of
> ubuntu
> (23:32:06) xsaiddx: hang on
> (23:32:43) *vitium left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds).*
> (23:34:52) xsaiddx: its error GPG http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release:
> cant verify those signatues cus the public key its unavailable
> (23:36:17) xsaiddx: signatures beacause the public key its unavailable
> (23:36:44) phillw: xsaiddx: can you try this from a terminal and let me
> know what it says
> (23:36:46) phillw: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
> (23:37:33) xsaiddx: did it just now and can i take off those lines fo
> ubuntu ??
> (23:37:45) xsaiddx: in the source-list file ?
> (23:38:35) xsaiddx: is gives me this and sumthin else gpgkeys: HTTP fetch
> error 7: couldn't connect to host
> (23:39:15) phillw: I'm not sure what you have in your listing to be
> checked, that command will give you the lubuntu one, I've seen that error
> before when one of the servers for updates has been down.
> (23:40:30) xsaiddx: ahh and can i give you my source list file ??
> (23:40:52) phillw: how familiar are you with the terminal?
> (23:41:52) xsaiddx: and i kno the basic commandes tho
> (23:42:16) xsaiddx: why?
> (23:43:55) phillw: there is a thread on such things happening, take a look
> at it and see if it is what you are seeing
> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1221323.html
> (23:44:12) phillw: If that is not it, I will look for another thread
> (23:44:19) xsaiddx: ok thanks
> (23:49:14) xsaiddx: i ead that i have to put the key into this commande
> but idont kno how sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
> keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys XXkeyIDX
> (23:49:22) xsaiddx: i read
> (23:51:32) xsaiddx: phillw: hello you there ?
> (23:51:43) ***phillw back
> (23:51:56) xsaiddx: wb
> (23:52:19) phillw: do you see which key is failing?
> (23:52:33) xsaiddx: yess
> (23:53:26) xsaiddx: here NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
> (23:53:39) xsaiddx: but how ican type it in hexadecimal
> (23:53:41) phillw: okies,
> (23:53:51) phillw: it is already in hex :-)
> (23:54:14) xsaiddx: :ZzZz
> (23:54:16) phillw: give me a moment to get the exact command for you
> (23:54:21) xsaiddx: ok
> (23:54:54) *n00bomatic2 left the room.*
> (23:55:06) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
> keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
> (23:55:24) ***phillw crosses fingers
> (23:55:43) *n00bomatic [~cyp...@g227070039.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered the
> room.*
> (23:56:05) xsaiddx: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
> (23:56:46) xsaiddx: phillw: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
> (23:57:00) phillw: xsaiddx: can you post up your full version of
> (23:57:02) phillw: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release:
> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
> available: NO_PUBKEY 60D11217247D1CFF
> (23:57:48) phillw: the whole line is what i need from you.
> (23:58:19) xsaiddx: ok ill past to you the hole mesage but its french and
> we ll tanslate
> (23:58:53) xsaiddx: phillw: W: Erreur GPG?: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid
> Release: Les signatures suivantes n'ont pas pu ?tre v?rifi?es car la cl?
> publique n'est pas disponible?: NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
> (23:59:37) xsaiddx: these signaturs coudnl be veified cus the public key
> its not available
> (23:59:38) phillw: the command should work
> (23:59:47) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
> keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
> (23:59:53) xsaiddx: k
> (24/06/10 00:00:01) *sixpack75 left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264
> seconds).*
> (00:00:13) phillw: you are requesting a key from the key server.
> (00:01:14) xsaiddx: well now i have to add a epotsity of lubuntu right
> then update ?
> (00:01:45) phillw: how did you install lubuntu?
> (00:02:22) *Al2 [...@164.108.231.222.megaegg.ne.jp] entered the room.*
> (00:02:22) xsaiddx: i was on ubuntu then installed the meta package
> lubuntu-desktop
> (00:04:00) phillw: ahh,. you need to follow
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ub

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] FW: Another interesting music player

[Andrew Woodhead]

I'd still shoot for deadbeef. It does seem to do the job better imho even
for a defecit of 3Mb.


On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Glenn de Groot
wrote:

>  From: glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com
> To: pcman...@gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [Lubuntu-desktop] Another interesting music player
> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:56:46 +
>
> Sorry, it doesn´t use python.
> I got confused by misreading this part of an article:
>
> xnoise is written in vala. This means it is compiled to pure Gobject/C and
> therfore very fast and lightweight *compared with other music players
> written in mono or python.*
>
> I already thought it was kinda strange since it did not come with python
> dependencies. :P
> So it does use about 4 or 5 mb of ram.
>
> -Glenn
>
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:37:38 +0800
> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Another interesting music player
> > From: pcman...@gmail.com
> > To: glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com
> > CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> >
> > Something using python never uses less memory than a C program.
> > You forgot to count the python runtime in.
> > The whole python runtime sometimes consumes more than 20 mb.
> > Of course, if you only count the little script in, it uses less than 5
> > mb, but that's not true.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Glenn de Groot
> >  wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > found another interesting music player called Xnoise.
> > > It uses 4.5 mb of ram on start up while deadbeef uses 11 mb.
> > > Deadbeef also uses 10.8 mb while playing an mp3 (interesting decrease)
> and
> > > xnoise uses 5.7.
> > > It´s a gtk app coded in Python and uses gstreamer so it also plays
> video´s
> > > but it is aimed as a music player.
> > > website:
> > > http://code.google.com/p/xnoise/
> > >
> > > Just thought it´s an interesting little app. ;)
> > > -Glenn
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Cleaning Lubuntu applications (part 1)

[Andrew Woodhead]

Loving the Lucid release guys, finally got a new PC (well P3 500Mhz is
HARDLY new).

I Thoroughly recommend wbar for all you guys liking launcher bars. It
doesn't hold minimised apps like AWN but it's damn good.

Here's my desktop:
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/andrew_woodhead666/MyScreenshot3.png

Small, fast and works. Thought I'd share the love

Peace
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 1 PAE Kernel

[Andrew Woodhead]

You only need PAE on 3Gb+ RAM as stated. 32bit address registers can only
hit ~3gb RAM so need special software to manage the memory addressing. This
is what PAE does and allows up to 12Gb RAM for 32bit Linux. If you only have
1Gb RAM then weather or not the kernel has PAE or not will not affect you :)

The minimal ISO will install the generic kernel only. I have not played with
the latest maverick Lubuntu yet so cannot vouch for if it uses PAE or not.

HTH
-Andy

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> hi Steve,
>
> as of 10.04
>
> "Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx)
> Both the CD and DVD installer of Ubuntu 10.04 automatically installs the
> PAE enabled kernel if it detects more than 3 Gb of available memory. In the
> case of the liveCD, a working network connection is required, since the PAE
> enabled kernel packages are not present on the CD."
>
> I've just asked on #ubuntu+1
>
> (22:50:28) phillw: hi folks, with 10.10 is the pae kernel for 32 bit going
> to be the default?
> (23:00:33) xx: phillw: It is already.
> (23:01:25) xx: phillw: provided you have 3GB+ of available memory, and
> a internet connection to download it automatically.
>
> I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I will test this out on my 1Gb laptop,
> hopefully others will be able to respond before I get it installed.
>
> Oh, and from having had a hunt around, it also seems that dropping i586
> support is causing some ripples
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/587186
>
>
> Regards,
> Phill.
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Yorvyk wrote:
>
>> Got 10.10 installed and running and noticed that the 32 PAE kernel is
>> installed as default. Is this an Ubuntu thing or waht?
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Compiz activation

[Andrew Woodhead]

Sure why not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U42A3WVpMUw

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Zsolt Peter Basak <
shiki.biomer...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I heard someone do this but seriously, I do not think its possible.
> LXDE uses Openbox. That is a window manager. Compiz is also a window
> manager, so the two replaces each other.
>
> One shot you can try is the 0.9 Compiz++ branch. (Or wait until it
> comes out). That'll support stand-alone window managing, so it'll work
> I guess with lxde.
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Keith Clark 
> wrote:
> > Is there a way to 'turn on' Compiz within Lubuntu?
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

[Andrew Woodhead]

Never had an issue but I use java from the java people rather than some
package.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Carsten Agger  wrote:

> > søn, 06 06 2010 kl. 12:11 +0100, skrev Andrew Woodhead:
>
> >> Personally I use the .bin file from www.java.com as all the systems
> >> I'd need java on are 64bit. I then symlink the libnpjp2.so to the
> >> plugins folder and it works.
> >>
> >>
>
> Hmm, at any rate it seems sun-java6-plugin is no longer in the
> repositories for lucid :-(
>
> Maybe I really should try an alternative to Chromium. Anyone has the
> default/IcedTea Java working in Chromium?
>
> br
> Carsten
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

[Andrew Woodhead]

Sure but the plugin is proprietary and the open versions do not have the
full range of stuff which the Adobe one does.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:43 PM, paolo liut  wrote:

> Is it possible to use adobe flash player or other open flash player if I
> have Lubuntu and Chromium?
>
> Paolo
>
> 2010/6/6 Richard Austin 
>
>>  Carsten
>>
>> I can understand not installing Firefox but Chromium maybe isn't the
>> answer until it's completed? I could argue that using Google software is
>> like using Windows - a sell out to the corporates - but i do not want a
>> flame war thank you!
>>
>> I'd suggest giving Midori a try - it's very quick and light on resources.
>> It runs fine on my Samsung 6000 with 256 ram and Lubuntu. Link for it is:
>> http://www.twotoasts.de
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On 06/06/10 12:11, Andrew Woodhead wrote:
>>
>> try:
>>
>>  cd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins; sudo ln -s
>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so
>>
>>  Should be ok.
>>
>>  Personally I use the .bin file from www.java.com as all the systems I'd
>> need java on are 64bit. I then symlink the libnpjp2.so to the plugins folder
>> and it works.
>>
>>  Java and flash n Ubuntu all run at 32bit via a 64bit wrapper which I
>> think is horribly convoluted and ungraceful despite there being 64bit native
>> plugins available.
>>
>>  HTH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Carsten Agger  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Lubuntu 10.04 on my netbook, an Acer Aspire 110 with 512 megs
>>> of
>>> RAM, and it's generally a pleasure.
>>>
>>> I have one problem, though - the Java plugin seems not to be working in
>>> Chromium. I want to play Runescape, the MMORPG at www.runescape.com.
>>>
>>> What I'm getting is basically a blank (rather, black, the HTML
>>> background)
>>> page where the Java applet should be.
>>>
>>> I installed Java and the plugin by installing the
>>> "ubuntu-restricted-extras" package which pulled the openjdk and icedtea
>>> versions of Java and plugin. This works FINE in Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04
>>> on
>>> my other computer.
>>>
>>> Anybody knows what's wrong or how to put it right? :-) Is there a problem
>>> with Java and Chromium? Maybe not, though - epiphany seems to give the
>>> same result (I won't install Firefox).
>>>
>>> br
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

[Andrew Woodhead]

Not sure, I dont install flash or java using the repos nowadays.
Let us know how you get on

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Carsten Agger  wrote:

> søn, 06 06 2010 kl. 11:56 +0100, skrev Steve:
>
> > > Maybe install another JVM? But this is supposed to work fine, I should
> > > think?
> > >
> > It should work fine but, I’ve never got it to work. I always install
> > sun-java6-plugin
> >
> >
> Thanks, will try that. As I said, the funny thing is that this works
> fine in Ubuntu Desktop 10.04, with Firefox. This might mean it's due to
> some bug/missing dependency in Lubuntu packaging?
>
> And, maybe it would be nice with a "lubuntu-restricted-extras" package
> with things that work (like Sun Java instead of Iced Tea) and possibly
> more lightweight selections in some cases?
>
> (I know, wishing out loud instead of doing something about it myself.
> Alas, I like using Lubuntu but don't have time to contribute to
> development at this time.)
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

[Andrew Woodhead]

try:

cd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins; sudo ln -s
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so

Should be ok.

Personally I use the .bin file from www.java.com as all the systems I'd need
java on are 64bit. I then symlink the libnpjp2.so to the plugins folder and
it works.

Java and flash n Ubuntu all run at 32bit via a 64bit wrapper which I think
is horribly convoluted and ungraceful despite there being 64bit native
plugins available.

HTH



On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Carsten Agger  wrote:

> I'm using Lubuntu 10.04 on my netbook, an Acer Aspire 110 with 512 megs of
> RAM, and it's generally a pleasure.
>
> I have one problem, though - the Java plugin seems not to be working in
> Chromium. I want to play Runescape, the MMORPG at www.runescape.com.
>
> What I'm getting is basically a blank (rather, black, the HTML background)
> page where the Java applet should be.
>
> I installed Java and the plugin by installing the
> "ubuntu-restricted-extras" package which pulled the openjdk and icedtea
> versions of Java and plugin. This works FINE in Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04 on
> my other computer.
>
> Anybody knows what's wrong or how to put it right? :-) Is there a problem
> with Java and Chromium? Maybe not, though - epiphany seems to give the
> same result (I won't install Firefox).
>
> br
> Carsten
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

[Andrew Woodhead]

64bit will give a speed increase for audio encoding and video encoding and
can reference more RAM natively (32bit can use PAE to access up to 12Gb
RAM).

There is a 64bit flash which runs great as well as 64bit java:
http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en&host=www.java.com

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick

Just because
its not in the Ubuntu repo doesn't mean it doesn't exist and to think so is
massively ignorant. I run 64bit on my desktop systems and run navive 64bit
java and native 64bit flash rather than Canonical's solution which is 32bit
plugins running via 64bit nspluginwrapper.



On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Steve  wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 04:04:49 +0100, Bob Trevithick <
> bob.trevith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:51 PM, PCMan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>  3. If a program runs well in 32-bit OS, but fail to run in 64-bit one,
>>> this is not an architecture problem. It's a bug. Please report it
>>> instead of complain of 64-bit.
>>>
>>
>> One example I found when playing with the Mini CD 64-bit install is
>> that NetworkManager Applet 0.8 doesn't work correctly in 64-bit.  The
>> eth0 connection itself works, but the applet reports there are no
>> network connections at all.  It also doesn't display it's icon in the
>> panel, although right-clicking on the space where it should be shows
>> it's actually there.
>>
>> I'm guessing this is the sort of thing you're referring to, and which
>> should be reported as a bug?
>>
>>  Probably not, as this problem occurs with the 32 bit system as well. I
> had this problem on one system which disappeared after an upgrade at some
> point. However, the upgrade caused another system to start displaying the
> problem.
>
> As for the 32/64 bit argument, I think a compromise is needed. I propose a
> 48bit system:P
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

[Andrew Woodhead]

The packages in the metapackage will be available in both 32bit and 64bit.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, M. Daub  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> hello *,
>
> I know, that the packge manager pull down the 64-bit version, if they
> exist.
> But I assume, that the package manager will get the 32-bit version if this
> is
> the only one of the package.
>
> So to be more precisely:
>
> 1.) Does all the maintainers of the various packages needed for lubuntu-
> desktop (lxde-..., pcmanfm, osmo, deadbeef, ...) provide 64-bit versions?
>
> 2.) If some components are only provided as 32-bit, are there any concerns
> about such a mixed-system?
>
> Best regards
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC and Help

[Andrew Woodhead]

I'm in #ubuntu quite a lot (remember to say yo yo yo to your friendly
parsnip :D) and I do enforce the rules but am not an op. If people
tell others to obey the rules / use !ops if they are not compliant
then it helps keep things smoother.

On Friday, June 4, 2010, Goh Lip  wrote:
> On 06/04/2010 09:19 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just had a chat with one of those 'very nice people' over on ubuntu
> about something I saw happen on #ubuntu-beginners the other day, that
> being a an idiot in the room breaking all the rules for politeness on
> IRC and also using swear words. On that occasion there were 'OP's in the
> room and also available who kicked him off (He actually got K-lined from
> freenode for those who know the difference).
>
> Currently /msg chanserv access #lubuntu list will show you the access
> list. hyperair and elfgoh are both OPs there
>
> Whilst I hope that #lubuntu will not get that sort of abuse, could the
> team think along the lines of how #ubuntu-beginners runs and grant OP
> status to a few of those who are regulars so that they would be able to
> act if a 'saddo' / 'troll' etc comes by?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> Perhaps we can ask newcomers to read
> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
> and adhere to it.
>
> It would also be good if there is one or two moderators on this list who 
> would remind anyone who breaks the rules and have the power to suspend him 
> from the list, if necessary.
>
> The ubuntu-users mailing list tends to be abusive too and there are people 
> who gives advice badly. There is certainly room for improvement and I hope 
> this lubuntu list can remain civil, polite and helpful.
>
> The kubuntu-users list is quite friendly, helpful and cheerful. Sometimes 
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> usually shooed away by the kubuntu users themselves.
>
> Of course the quality of any list depends ultimately on the users themselves 
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>
> This is usually not in the code of conduct, but since this is an 
> international mailing list, I'd recommend that any signature of a political, 
> religious or anti-religious sentiment be removed.
>
> Admittedly, it is not easy to handle the multi faceted mix of users. For 
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> claim 'cultural licence' - I am from New York, people are not so thin-skinned 
> - or a guy who starts his posts with a long winded capital-lettered tribute 
> to god. I would not envy the moderator.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

[Andrew Woodhead]

Lubuntu is simply a remixed ubuntu with different default (and in my
eyes better) packages. The metapackage only describes names of
packages to haul down from the repos. The package managers deal with
which architectures to pull down and will not mix them together. If a
64bit mini iso has been used then 64bit packages will be installed
when the metapackage is requested.
You can do the exact same process with xubuntu, ubuntu, netbookremix,
kubuntu etc etc. And is my preferred way of installing as the upgrades
have already happened :)

On Friday, June 4, 2010, M. Daub  wrote:
> Hello *,
>
> it's good to read that the installation of the 64-bit-mini-iso and
> installation of the lubuntu-desktop-meta-package results in a functional
> system!
>
> In a "normal" 64-bit-distribution the core-packages (exec and libraries) are
> provided as 64-bit-compiled executables.
>
> Has someone an overview, whether the lxde-components and the default apps are
> compiled as 64-bit or are they provided as 32-bit?
>
> If some components are only provided as 32-bit, are there any concerns about
> such a mixed-system?
>
> Best regards
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NumLock

[Andrew Woodhead]

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock

You can use numlockx to st the
state :)


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Goh Lip  wrote:

>
> I've been trying to find out how to set NumLock upon startup.
> system is lucid 10.04.
>
> Can someone help?
> Thanks.
>
> Regards -Goh Lip
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Ubuntu Desktop] Required

[Andrew Woodhead]

Updates will be fine, the upgrade process expects (as far a I know) there to
be a desktop metapackage to use as a reference so may be needed when
maverick comes out. Otherwise its absolutely fine.

i personally instal ubuntu-restricted extras then remove it as well as the
stupid flash plugin it gives to then install 64bit flash. If i keep the
package installed it will repull in 32bit flash and all the other garbage I
do not want. I's a touch of control :)

Peace
-Andy


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> Hi,
>
> can you confirm that doing so will not, as has been reported as a bug cause
> any issues with updates / upgrading?
>
> Thabks,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> As Jaeic says, removing metapackages is harmless, they are hollow and
>> empty and o not remove the packages they install so are fine to remove, this
>> is the same with any metapackage
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I guess this is more a question for Juliene, but one of things that has
>>> been raised a few times on IRC is why lubuntu *insists *on having all
>>> the packages that it does, for example you cannot remove Mplayer to free
>>> room up and put an alternative on, nor xfburn if you wish brasserro. Whilst
>>> the list of default packages is commendable, it does seem somewhat odd that
>>> none of them may be removed without it taking out the whole of lubuntu.
>>>
>>> The argument of 'more difficult to support' does not really stand, people
>>> want to make their computer their own, the whole idea of *buntu is choice,
>>> we can easily say that we cannot support xyz, but forcing people to have
>>> applications on that they do not want seems odd.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Phill.
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Ubuntu Desktop] Required

[Andrew Woodhead]

As Jaeic says, removing metapackages is harmless, they are hollow and empty
and o not remove the packages they install so are fine to remove, this is
the same with any metapackage


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> Hi,
>
> I guess this is more a question for Juliene, but one of things that has
> been raised a few times on IRC is why lubuntu *insists *on having all the
> packages that it does, for example you cannot remove Mplayer to free room up
> and put an alternative on, nor xfburn if you wish brasserro. Whilst the list
> of default packages is commendable, it does seem somewhat odd that none of
> them may be removed without it taking out the whole of lubuntu.
>
> The argument of 'more difficult to support' does not really stand, people
> want to make their computer their own, the whole idea of *buntu is choice,
> we can easily say that we cannot support xyz, but forcing people to have
> applications on that they do not want seems odd.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] great lubuntu with problem

[Andrew Woodhead]

Personally I avoid jockey like Paris Hilton avoids talent. I just use that
command and its great, mind you Lubuntu being aimed at lower end systems the
user may not have a card supported by the 195 driver. Oooh it's a conudrum.

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Steve  wrote:

> On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:15:32 +0100, 神癒礁湖  ・ Rafael Laguna <
> rafaellag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Jockey GTK is not polished in Lubuntu yet, even in Ubuntu doesn't work
>> very nice, so it's not really our problem. If you have a nVidia and want
>> to use the new Nouveau drivers, please, check this article, it's a
>> command line given help to install and test it and make it working with
>> Plymouth (it worked for me).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  I see no link :)
>
> --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] great lubuntu with problem

[Andrew Woodhead]

Try:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nvidia-vdpau/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo
apt-get install nvidia-glx-185

Works perfectly for my onoard nvidia 6150 so will work with your 9800GT
-Andy

2010/5/28 Radovan Suchánek 

> Hello,
>
> Long time I use xubuntu and ubuntu linux, some time ago I tried the new
> lubuntu to me very much nice, because it is very simple, clear and very
> quickly. I am very happy that lubuntu has few programs which gives the
> freedom to choose the programs to the user need. Please Stay on this road.
> My problem is to install the nvidia graphics card 9800gt. Standard procedure
> through the automatic installation of nvidia drivers and does not work after
> installing glx, kernel packages and restart the system will not working with
> 3D support. Please how to solve this problem? how do I install the nvidia
> drivers to be fully operational 3D in lubuntu when a hw work automatic HW
> detection do not working?
>
> Thank you very much for help! :)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] questions about lubuntu-10.04.iso

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Yeah, if there is enough RAM then (at least the LiveCD) the OS in full can
be put into RAM. Disk access is god slow compared to RAM so if we can get
the RAM off the slow media then the system will BLAZE as the drive will
never be accessed, this will however mean the selected contents of the
system due to be in RAM will need copying (either all at once or as it is
needed) to the RAM for future use.

Puppy has a cheat code to simply copy the OS from the CD in this way and
make it incredibly fast, at 80Mb for the ISO this can also be done on old
systems and they will run very well.


On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

>  On Monday 24,May,2010 08:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead wrote:
>
> I'm kinda up for a "Run the whole OS in RAM". like puppy has if its THAT
> small. Who's with me. There is a guide on this which I intend to use in my
> next system / this laptop if I get bored.
>
>  To what guide are you referring? Load the OS into a ramdisk?
>
> Cheers
> David
>
>  On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>
>> Am 24.05.2010 07:06, schrieb rya...@mail.com:
>>
>>  How much GB of disk space(including swap) does a full install of
>> lubuntu-10.04 use if installing from the lubuntu-10.04.iso CD? 2GB? 3GB?
>>
>> Does lubuntu-10.04 include the HPLIP driver for HP printers? If so, what
>> version of HPLIP is it? HPLIP 3.10.5?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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>> If you don't consider double the RAM size to use for SWAP.
>>
>> Lubuntu uses about 1.5 GB of space right after installation. So the
>> minimum space you need is 2 GB I would say.
>> I recommened 4 to 5 GB to have it running good and be able to install
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] questions about lubuntu-10.04.iso

[Andrew Woodhead]

I'm kinda up for a "Run the whole OS in RAM". like puppy has if its THAT
small. Who's with me. There is a guide on this which I intend to use in my
next system / this laptop if I get bored.

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:

>  Am 24.05.2010 07:06, schrieb rya...@mail.com:
>
>  How much GB of disk space(including swap) does a full install of
> lubuntu-10.04 use if installing from the lubuntu-10.04.iso CD? 2GB? 3GB?
>
> Does lubuntu-10.04 include the HPLIP driver for HP printers? If so, what
> version of HPLIP is it? HPLIP 3.10.5?
>
> Thanks
>
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>  If you have more then 1 GB RAM you don't neccessarly need a SWAP
> partition.
> If you don't consider double the RAM size to use for SWAP.
>
> Lubuntu uses about 1.5 GB of space right after installation. So the minimum
> space you need is 2 GB I would say.
> I recommened 4 to 5 GB to have it running good and be able to install
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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] questions about lubuntu-10.04.iso

[Andrew Woodhead]

http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/hplip
States 3.10.2-2ubuntu2 but it's easy
enough to use the binary from the HPLIP site.

If you have more than 2Gb RAM You can easily get away with no swap due to
the size of Lubuntu but I have yet to install it myself due to other
projects taking my time :(

I'm sure somebody who has installed it can give their df -h output

Cheers
-Andy

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 6:06 AM,  wrote:

>  How much GB of disk space(including swap) does a full install of
> lubuntu-10.04 use if installing from the lubuntu-10.04.iso CD? 2GB? 3GB?
>
> Does lubuntu-10.04 include the HPLIP driver for HP printers? If so, what
> version of HPLIP is it? HPLIP 3.10.5?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

[Andrew Woodhead]

Well if you want it now then the minimal ubuntu install is the way to go to
get 64bit Lubuntu. Depends if you can wait or not :)

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Bob Trevithick wrote:

> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Andrew Woodhead
>  wrote:
> > Yes thats on way to get 64bit Lubuntu. You want a minimal amount of stuff
> > installing to then install the metapackage. Your networking will need to
> be
> > workable from command line too.
>
> Thanks.  Will this testing benefit the project, or would it be best to
> wait until you actually do a 64-bit version (if you do)?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

[Andrew Woodhead]

Yes thats on way to get 64bit Lubuntu. You want a minimal amount of stuff
installing to then install the metapackage. Your networking will need to be
workable from command line too.

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Bob Trevithick wrote:

> If I were to use the Ubuntu 64-bit Alternate CD, do just a command
> line install, and then pull in the lubuntu-desktop package, would I
> have a workable 64-bit Lubuntu?  It will be a few days before my AMD
> system is up and running again, so I can't test this at the moment.
>
> A related question would be if there is an official 64-bit version
> planned?  All other *buntu versions have both 32- and 64-bit options,
> so I would guess that would be an expectation of Canonical's for
> inclusion?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] samba and windows

[Andrew Woodhead]

You can also create a credentials file in this format:

username=yourusername
password=youpass

Then use this in samba:

//server/share /media/samba cifs
credentials=/path/to/file,uid=1000,gid=100,noperm 0 0

Having a username/password setup on samba is a very good idea as it keeps
users out but also authenticates you as a user on the remote system, you can
use samba to only give access to certain resources to certain usernames thus
making it more secure.


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> hi,
>
> I was just chatting to a couple of those 'nice people' about pysdm, it's
> limitations and if a user of it could get support on the main forum area
> (which is yes) and I mentioned about the on going saga with samba. Here's
> one to try in fstab
>
> # Samba
> //server/share /media/samba cifs user=user,uid=1000,gid=100,noperm 0 0
>
> # "Server" = Samba server (by IP or name if you have an entry for the
> server in your hosts file
> # "share" = name of the shared directory
> # "user" = your samba user
> # This set up will ask for a password when mounting the samba share. If you
> do not want to enter a password, use a credentials file.
> # replace "user=user" with "credentials=/etc/samba/credentials" In the
> credentials file put two lines
>
> # user=user
>
> # password=password
>
> # make the file owned by root and ro by root (sudo chown root.root
> /etc/samba/credentials && sudo chmod 400 /etc/samba/credentials)
>
> If you get chance, give it a try :-)
>
>
> For ntfs stuff, I've been reminded of ntfs-config for those with windows on
> their systems who want to share a hard drive easily (which some one pointed
> out earlier on the mailing list).
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion in 10.10 [Disk Mounting]

[Andrew Woodhead]

I didn't think you were dude
:D
No worries duder.

Personally I hate automount, it gets in my way. Sure I put in my USB stick
but I don't want to use it til later, yet the stupid file browser pops up
and gets in my face. It also gives security as the file system is only
mounted when required but I guess most users plug stuff in when required etc
and new users will be used to the "windows" way.

Swings and roundabouts..

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Andy,
>
> I was not 'having a go' at you :-(
>
> With pysdm installed on my lubuntu system, setting up the automounting is a
> doddle, that's why I have asked for it to be considered as a default
> application for lubuntu :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate that, I'm just showing that automount is possible with
>> Lubuntu, just need the right packages and whatnot
>> Peace
>> -Andy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> When you install a desktop on top of another desktop (lxde on top of
>>> gnome in this case) you get all the applications associated with both
>>> Desktops. Where you to strip out the gnome desktop fully, then pysadm would
>>> go with it (along with things like OpenOffice etc. etc.).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Phill.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
>>> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you install a full ubuntu then install LXDE then automount is ok.
>>>> Just my 2p worth
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2010, PCMan  wrote:
>>>> > PCManFM2 actually can do automount on startup, unless your policykit
>>>> > is not working correctly, which happens frequently. However, which
>>>> > device to mount is a big problem since the rules are defined by gvfs
>>>> > and it doesn't seem to be configurable.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Phillip Whiteside 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >> It has been asked on IRC if it is possible to automount devices on
>>>> startup.
>>>> >> I could only advise manually editing the fstab. Having had a further
>>>> dig,
>>>> >> pysadm does not bring any dependencies onto my system (I'm guessing
>>>> they're
>>>> >> already there because of Pyneighborhood). As it is only going to use
>>>> up a
>>>> >> little disk space and I would not think more resources to run than
>>>> something
>>>> >> like Pyneighborood do you think it is an included candidate, or
>>>> should it be
>>>> >> just noted that a user requiring such functionality can install it
>>>> via
>>>> >> Synaptics.
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion in 10.10 [Disk Mounting]

[Andrew Woodhead]

I appreciate that, I'm just showing that automount is possible with Lubuntu,
just need the right packages and whatnot
Peace
-Andy

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> When you install a desktop on top of another desktop (lxde on top of gnome
> in this case) you get all the applications associated with both Desktops.
> Where you to strip out the gnome desktop fully, then pysadm would go with it
> (along with things like OpenOffice etc. etc.).
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you install a full ubuntu then install LXDE then automount is ok.
>> Just my 2p worth
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2010, PCMan  wrote:
>> > PCManFM2 actually can do automount on startup, unless your policykit
>> > is not working correctly, which happens frequently. However, which
>> > device to mount is a big problem since the rules are defined by gvfs
>> > and it doesn't seem to be configurable.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Phillip Whiteside 
>> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> It has been asked on IRC if it is possible to automount devices on
>> startup.
>> >> I could only advise manually editing the fstab. Having had a further
>> dig,
>> >> pysadm does not bring any dependencies onto my system (I'm guessing
>> they're
>> >> already there because of Pyneighborhood). As it is only going to use up
>> a
>> >> little disk space and I would not think more resources to run than
>> something
>> >> like Pyneighborood do you think it is an included candidate, or should
>> it be
>> >> just noted that a user requiring such functionality can install it via
>> >> Synaptics.
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion in 10.10 [Disk Mounting]

[Andrew Woodhead]

If you install a full ubuntu then install LXDE then automount is ok.
Just my 2p worth

On Tuesday, May 18, 2010, PCMan  wrote:
> PCManFM2 actually can do automount on startup, unless your policykit
> is not working correctly, which happens frequently. However, which
> device to mount is a big problem since the rules are defined by gvfs
> and it doesn't seem to be configurable.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> It has been asked on IRC if it is possible to automount devices on startup.
>> I could only advise manually editing the fstab. Having had a further dig,
>> pysadm does not bring any dependencies onto my system (I'm guessing they're
>> already there because of Pyneighborhood). As it is only going to use up a
>> little disk space and I would not think more resources to run than something
>> like Pyneighborood do you think it is an included candidate, or should it be
>> just noted that a user requiring such functionality can install it via
>> Synaptics.
>> Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Replacing Aqualung with Exaile [DISCUSSION]

[Andrew Woodhead]

Click file -> add folders

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Naveen Kumar Molleti  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I tried using DeaDBeeF, and I don't seem to find a music library
> option. Is the library feature really non-existent, or am I missing
> something?
>
> Thank you,
> Naveen Kumar m
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Dooitze de Jong
>  wrote:
> > Nice article on omgubuntu.co.uk,
> > On the first sight, it looks great, and it takes little memory. I think
> you
> > all made the right decision to make DeadBeef (strange name:p) as default.
> > I'm just came to this team so I don't know exactly how things works. The
> > installation of Lubuntu on my PC crash all the time, (See the bug) The
> > LiveCD works on my old PIII, only live. But live is fast too. I
> overlocked
> > that old pc to 1 GHz with more than 300 MB memory in it. I think that
> > Lubuntu will be on the next release part of the family.
> > Regards,
> > Dooitze
> >>
> >> 2010/5/16 Glenn 
> >>>
> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >>> Hash: SHA1
> >>>
> >>> At our big application discussion mail we pretty much came to the
> >>> conclusion that we would not replace the browser, IM client, media
> >>> player and CD burning app.
> >>> As there is not much left I came to that conclusion, and I also told
> >>> OMG! Ubuntu! that a change later on is not impossible so I don´t see
> >>> your point.
> >>> And I don´t agree with you on sending false information and making FUD
> >>> either.
> >>>
> >>> But anyways, if you still think I am totally wrong, I am sorry.
> >>>
> >>> - -Glenn
> >>>
> >>> > Also Glenn, could you please stop sending false informations outside
> >>> > the mailing list, especially to news site like OMG ? I don't know
> >>> > where you saw that there will be no others changes in application by
> >>> > default, or no applications added.
> >>> > Please add feedback to blueprints (see the Roadmap) and mailing list
> >>> > instead of making some FUD outside the maling list.
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> > Julien
> >>> >
> >>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Replacing Aqualung with Exaile [DISCUSSION]

[Andrew Woodhead]

If yuo want to test deadbeef:

*sudo add-apt-repository ppa:alexey-smirnov/deadbeef; sudo apt-get update;
sudo apt-get install deadbeef*

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:46 AM, PCMan  wrote:

> Maybe we can take some time to do this and send the patch to its
> author. This should not be too hard.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Sylkis  wrote:
> > WOW! I'm impressed. this DeadBeef player looks like it's going to be
> > my fav - it perfectly the thing I was looking for!
> > BUT!
> > there is one problem for me. guess it won't be for any new users, by I
> > have a lot of playlists in .m3u format, as well as a lot of people may
> > have some in .pls and other such popular ones. and this player
> > supports only it's own playlist format... pity.
> > if the palylist importing (converting?) would be added, then it is a
> > perfect player for me! :)
> >
> > 2010/5/15 PCMan :
> >> I encourage every Lubuntu and LXDE users to try DeadBeef, an almost
> >> perfect lightweight yet feature-rich music player.
> >> The author provided deb packages already. The latest release is quite
> awesome.
> >> http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/
> >> The UI is very similar to that of LXMusic, but it's much more
> functional.
> >> Please try it and share your opinions.
> >> This is my favorite so far.
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Sylkis  wrote:
> >>> hi
> >>> in my personal opinion exaile is worthless. I had only problems with
> >>> it, user-unfriendly interface, trying to be amarok-like libary with
> >>> addition of player. both aqualung and rythmbox are much better choice.
> >>> rhythmbox has bizzare interface that you have to learn how to use, but
> >>> it is possible to do that (unlike with exaile, wich seems very similar
> >>> to players like amarok so ypu think theres nothing to learn, but then
> >>> it suprises you with its options and features hidden so much that you
> >>> can't configure it at all and in the end it unusable and impossible to
> >>> learn it without help on forums! and we want lubuntu to be easy for
> >>> everyone, right?), and aqualung is pure spartan simplicity, yet
> >>> powerfullness, like foobar on windows, with wich you have to really
> >>> try to mess something up to have it not working.
> >>> so I'd stick to aqualung.
> >>> cheers
> >>>
> >>> 2010/5/15 Glenn :
>  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>  Hash: SHA1
> 
>  Hello,
> 
>  I am sending this mail because of the advise Julien Lavergne gave me
> in
>  our big ¨Lubuntu application discussion for maverick¨ discussion. :P
> 
>  This mail is about discussing Aqualung replacing with Exaile.
>  Exaile is a bit like a lightweight rhythmbox, it loads quickly and
>  supports a lot of music files. Through Synaptic you can even install a
>  plugin for Ipod support, and you can also install a plugin for pidgin
> so
>  pidgin can display the music song you are listening with Exaile.
>  Exaile uses about 18,8 mb of memory on idle, and Aqualung uses 9.9 mb
> of
>  memory on idle (LXmusic 2.7 mb :P )
>  Exaile has many advantages, it is not gray and not odd looking like
>  Aqualung (which looks weird in every Desktop Enviroment) less
>  dependencies, more support because of a bigger project. (e.g Exaile
> has
>  a good launchpad page with bug reporting and translating all open to
>  everyone, Aqualung hasn´t got a launchpad page.)
>  Is the 9 mb difference in memory consumption acceptable in Lubuntu? Or
> a
>  slightly different question, is it worth the sacrifice? (Atleast I
> think
>  it definetly is, but what about you guys?)
> 
>  - -Glenn
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Replacing Aqualung with Exaile [DISCUSSION]

[Andrew Woodhead]

Dude deadbeef is awesome

+10 for deadbeef to the maxxx

-ActionParsnip

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:46 AM, PCMan  wrote:

> Maybe we can take some time to do this and send the patch to its
> author. This should not be too hard.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Sylkis  wrote:
> > WOW! I'm impressed. this DeadBeef player looks like it's going to be
> > my fav - it perfectly the thing I was looking for!
> > BUT!
> > there is one problem for me. guess it won't be for any new users, by I
> > have a lot of playlists in .m3u format, as well as a lot of people may
> > have some in .pls and other such popular ones. and this player
> > supports only it's own playlist format... pity.
> > if the palylist importing (converting?) would be added, then it is a
> > perfect player for me! :)
> >
> > 2010/5/15 PCMan :
> >> I encourage every Lubuntu and LXDE users to try DeadBeef, an almost
> >> perfect lightweight yet feature-rich music player.
> >> The author provided deb packages already. The latest release is quite
> awesome.
> >> http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/
> >> The UI is very similar to that of LXMusic, but it's much more
> functional.
> >> Please try it and share your opinions.
> >> This is my favorite so far.
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Sylkis  wrote:
> >>> hi
> >>> in my personal opinion exaile is worthless. I had only problems with
> >>> it, user-unfriendly interface, trying to be amarok-like libary with
> >>> addition of player. both aqualung and rythmbox are much better choice.
> >>> rhythmbox has bizzare interface that you have to learn how to use, but
> >>> it is possible to do that (unlike with exaile, wich seems very similar
> >>> to players like amarok so ypu think theres nothing to learn, but then
> >>> it suprises you with its options and features hidden so much that you
> >>> can't configure it at all and in the end it unusable and impossible to
> >>> learn it without help on forums! and we want lubuntu to be easy for
> >>> everyone, right?), and aqualung is pure spartan simplicity, yet
> >>> powerfullness, like foobar on windows, with wich you have to really
> >>> try to mess something up to have it not working.
> >>> so I'd stick to aqualung.
> >>> cheers
> >>>
> >>> 2010/5/15 Glenn :
>  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>  Hash: SHA1
> 
>  Hello,
> 
>  I am sending this mail because of the advise Julien Lavergne gave me
> in
>  our big ¨Lubuntu application discussion for maverick¨ discussion. :P
> 
>  This mail is about discussing Aqualung replacing with Exaile.
>  Exaile is a bit like a lightweight rhythmbox, it loads quickly and
>  supports a lot of music files. Through Synaptic you can even install a
>  plugin for Ipod support, and you can also install a plugin for pidgin
> so
>  pidgin can display the music song you are listening with Exaile.
>  Exaile uses about 18,8 mb of memory on idle, and Aqualung uses 9.9 mb
> of
>  memory on idle (LXmusic 2.7 mb :P )
>  Exaile has many advantages, it is not gray and not odd looking like
>  Aqualung (which looks weird in every Desktop Enviroment) less
>  dependencies, more support because of a bigger project. (e.g Exaile
> has
>  a good launchpad page with bug reporting and translating all open to
>  everyone, Aqualung hasn´t got a launchpad page.)
>  Is the 9 mb difference in memory consumption acceptable in Lubuntu? Or
> a
>  slightly different question, is it worth the sacrifice? (Atleast I
> think
>  it definetly is, but what about you guys?)
> 
>  - -Glenn
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu application discussion for maverick

[Andrew Woodhead]

I always use gnome-mplayer

mplayer is one of the oldest and most respected players out there

-Andy

2010/5/13 神癒礁湖 ・ 

> Well, LXMusic isi a good program, but remeber that it depends on libpango
> libraries and xmms2.  Have anyone tested listening music music with
> Gnome-MPlayer? It's perfect (reproduction lists, cover thumbnail, etc).
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Desktop icons

[Andrew Woodhead]

Open PCManFM and go to Edit > Preferences > Desktop. There is an option
"Manage the desktop and show icon files". Turning this off removes all icons
from the desktop.

You have to have it, or no icons at all. Your choice.
-Andy

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Ted To  wrote:

> Hi, Can anyone tell me how to make lubuntu stop displaying my root
> directory on the desktop?
>
> Thanks,
> Ted
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A Newbie Question about Autostarting

[Andrew Woodhead]

Make a symlink to the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/name.desktop
in ~/.config/autostart

and it will run.


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Lane Lester  wrote:

> I'm a long-time user of Ubuntu. Lately I've been using Openbox for my WM,
> so I decided to try Lubuntu and get rid of some unused overhead.
>
> I'm also a fan of Conky, and I quickly learned that it didn't get along
> with pcmanfm. So I've commented it out and am using feh to manage my
> wallpapers. I like it for its ability to rotate wallpapers on a schedule.
>
> After some initial dismay I was pleased to find the option in Preferences
> to enable window manager desktop menus.
>
> A message on here today led me to the Ubuntu wiki page of derivatives, and
> I was surprised Lubuntu wasn't there.
>
> One confusing thing is the number of "autostart" folders and files. I
> managed to edit enough of them to get most things the way I want, but I
> still can't get alarmclock to start even though it runs fine from the menu.
> Is there an official Lubuntu way to autostart programs?
>
> Lane
>   *Lane Lester*
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu compressed ISO file?

[Andrew Woodhead]

Yes as you will only download what you need instead of the full OS which may
contain files and apps you do not need

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:35 PM, T.Beemster  wrote:

>  On 05/11/2010 04:18 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
>
> i was thinking possibly down-loading the minmal.iso, and then doing the
> desktop install form that. It *should* be smaller in terms of data
> downloaded ?
> Regards,
> Phill
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 14:00:43 +0100
>> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> > I don't think the minimal install route pulls in all the language packs,
>> > could this be an option?
>>
>>  It's included in the iso, if you want to remove them, you need to
>> generate another iso. Maybe at some point a minimal iso will be generated,
>> for this purpose, but I don't know when I'll have the time to do it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>  Julien Lavergne 
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu compressed ISO file?

[Andrew Woodhead]

ZIP doesn't do a fabulous job of compression, Bzip will get the data
significantly smaller. Hosting both files will require more storage on the
server side and essentially double the space needed to store the same info.
If space is a luxury then I'd say do it, otherwise you may have to bite the
bullet for an extra 12Mb.
Set the download running overnight and go to bed, the file will be
downloaded when you wake up :)

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM, ryan14  wrote:

> Currently lubuntu 10.04 is available as an ISO file from
> http://lubuntu.net. I have a slow broadband connection so would it be
> possible for you to offer a compressed version of the ISO in the .ZIP
> file format? The ISO file is 521MB, so if you compressed it into a .ZIP
> file, what will the new file size be? 500MB? Any decrease in file size
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Very nice looking

[Andrew Woodhead]

I agree but most users will want the full flash / java experience. The open
source versions do not have the full capabilities of the proprietary
versions but some form of option could be incorporated into starting the
live cd etc etc to achieve the below without infringement of license etc.

Glad you like the release though dude :) I think it's awesome and long
overdue.


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Marti Martinson <
arthur.martin...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Very nice looking distro! I was so very worried that NO *buntu 10.4
> would be able to load on my Ubuntu 9.10. EVERY Alpha, Beta, and RC
> LiveCD of 10.4 Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu FAILED to boot. Your Stable
> Beta finally would boot up. (Bug #545367)
>
> Are there any plans to include, by default, the gnash or swf-dec
> players, or the OpenJDK or iced-tea (I think that is their name),
> plugins? I don't "think" there would be any license issues, as these are
> OSS. And a user could have a YouTube and java experience right
> out-of-the-box.
>
> I'd like to finally force my Mom to get onto the Net, and a LiveCD box
> with NO hard-drive might be good.
>
> Thank you for all your work. Much success to Lubuntu!
>
> Viel Glueck.
>
> Bonne chance.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu games

[Andrew Woodhead]

An old game which has been shifted to Linux and given a face lift is
F1-Spirit. Check it out its badass and the music is swt

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Goh Lip  wrote:

> A small suggestion, checked out the forum and understand the
> considerations for and against having default games installed viz...
>
> o not too 'weighty' to weigh down the lubuntu distro
> o need to have some games to show 'completeness' of lubuntu.
>
> May I suggest fltk1.1-games as a pre-installed game base?
> It is small, quite fun to play? (I don't really know, not a games type
> of guy), but at least, it's something.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] BUGS: VISUDO PERMISSION NOT WORKING

[Andrew Woodhead]

Thats a really bad idea and destroys system security completely.
I strongly advise nobody to do this, its a REALLY bad idea.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Chow Loong Jin  wrote:

> On Sunday 25,April,2010 10:18 PM, Pierre Yahoo wrote:
> > Visudo permissions do not work.  I tried to give myself permissions for
> > password-free actions typing sudo visudo in a terminal (e.g. to
> > hibernate using a shortcut (launcher) myusername
> > ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/pm-hibernate or myusername ALL=NOPASSWD:
> > /usr/bin/srm to make a secure-delete trashcan).
> >
> > It does not work, the same command and launcher worked in Debian and
> > Puppy but not in Lubuntu.
> >
> > It works, however, if I already signed in with password in a terminal or
> > Synaptic.
>
> Works just fine for me in Ubuntu. I don't see why it wouldn't work for you.
> If
> it needs you to sign in with a password first, it means that the NOPASSWD
> part
> isn't working. Try "sudo -k" in a terminal followed by "sudo
> /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate" in a terminal and see whether it prompts you for
> your
> password.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu documentation

[Andrew Woodhead]

Firefox has a retarded dependency on gnome for some reason, you may
need to add the mozilla ppa or even use the tar.gz file to prevent the
bloat of all the stuff the packages will pull in.

On 4/22/10, Goh Lip  wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:37:12 +0100
> Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
>
>> Otherwise Lubuntu is no different to Ubuntu, it just has a different
>> set of default apps and a different default desktop (LXDE instead of
>> Gnome) so any guide you can find on Ubuntu will work. This is the
>> same for KUbuntu which uses KDE instead of Gnome and XUbuntu which
>> uses XFCE instead of Gnome. They are all Ubuntu under the hood.
>
> Are there any applications (not on the default install) for Lubuntu on
> the repositories that is specific to Lubuntu *without* pulling in gnome
> or kde dependencies which might otherwise bloat the nicely balanced
> Lubuntu setup? I don't want to get to the Xubuntu situation where
> additional applications tend to make it as unwieldy as the heavyweights.
>
> For example, (I think) I could install Opera, Firefox,
> Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Konqueror or Knode which I use in Kubuntu and I
> am familiar with, but (I think) that will make Lubuntu heavier and
> slower to run, which I don't want to do.
>
> Regards - Goh Lip
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu documentation

[Andrew Woodhead]

Yes:
sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade

is an appropriate way to upgrade your system at CLI

the command:
gksudo leafpad

is the way to run leafpad as root, do NOT use sudo with GUI apps as you can
damage file ownerships as sudo does not setup the environment correctly.

Otherwise Lubuntu is no different to Ubuntu, it just has a different set of
default apps and a different default desktop (LXDE instead of Gnome) so any
guide you can find on Ubuntu will work. This is the same for KUbuntu which
uses KDE instead of Gnome and XUbuntu which uses XFCE instead of Gnome. They
are all Ubuntu under the hood.

Unlike Windows you can change your desktop environment very easily in Linux
and that is all that has changed to the system, what is under the hood is
exactly the same as all the other official releases.

HTH



On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Goh Lip  wrote:

> In trying to learn more about Lubuntu, especially the commands and
> applications for it, I find the sources pretty sparse. For example, I am
> still using 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' to update
> Lubuntu and wondering if that is correct. Also while the command 'gksudo
> leafpad' is given here on the list (thanks), it is difficult to find out
> other useful commands. The links given on the
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu page and other LXDE sites are not too
> informative either.
>
> Of course being a new 'distro', I could understand, but can someone provide
> more links so that a newbie like me can pick up some speed?
>
> Thanks and regards - Goh Lip
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Modifying files in Lubuntu

[Andrew Woodhead]

You do NOT edit the grub.cfg ile. That file is generated using config files
and scripts. You can edit the file but next time:
sudo update-grub
is ran the changes will be completely lost.

LXDE is a GTK based DE so 'gksudo leafpad' is what you  will need (you can
install gedit if you like but leafpad is a lot leaner and default in LXDE.

If you want your changes to grub.cfg to stick you must either:
1. *Never* upgrade the kernel  OR
2. Edit Grub2 the correct way so that grub updates get applied and your
changes stay

The grub.cfg file is marked as read only (even to root) and the file says
"Do not edit this file" for a reason. I suggest you read:
https://help.*ubuntu*.com/community/*Grub2*
*
*
*
*

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Goh Lip  wrote:

>
> I need to modify /boot/grub/grub.cfg in lubuntu that I've set up in usb
> drive.
> But I found that it is not possible through lubuntu.
> I had to boot up kubuntu to edit it.
>
> What is the equivalent in Lubuntu for 'kdesudo kate' or 'gksudo gedit' ?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] memory leak

[Andrew Woodhead]

Firefox is notoriously bad with ram. It's one reason I dropped it long ago
when chromium came out, prior to that i mainly used arora.

2010/4/16 ¤•thony•¤ Rulez 

>  I have the same problem installing firefox and check the memory usage,
> use firefox instead of chromium
>
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:41:37 +0100
> From: phi...@phillw.net
> To: yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
> CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] memory leak
>
> Hi Steve
>
> top - 16:08:54 up 35 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.07, 0.71, 0.45
> Tasks: 114 total,   1 running, 113 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu(s):  9.3%us,  2.0%sy,  0.3%ni, 87.4%id,  0.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.3%si,
>  0.0%st
> Mem:   1016908k total,   559736k used,   457172k free,19948k buffers
>
> top - 20:40:50 up  5:07,  1 user,  load average: 0.38, 0.52, 0.60
> Tasks: 118 total,   1 running, 117 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu(s):  0.3%us,  0.7%sy,  0.3%ni, 98.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
>  0.0%st
> Mem:   1016908k total,   845600k used,   171308k free,47212k buffers
>
> I'm running Chromium and pidgin only, on a 'clean' Beta2 install (I have
> LAMP on my other one and wanted to remove that from the possible cause).
>
> I'm rather stuck :-(
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Steve wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:22:42 +0100, Phillip Whiteside 
> wrote:
>
>  hi Steve,
>
> you will have read 'war and peace' which is why I missed you on IRC.
> Addons... Hmmm,
>
> 1) Full LAMP Server aka 'main' Ubuntu - Updated as per updates by them; be
> very surprised if it were that, else all hell would break out but I'm sure
> the leak was here before that.
>
> 2) Chromium daily ppa - There WAS a memory leak but it was fixed ages ago -
> that's why I changed to daily ppa a few weeks back.
>
> 3) All the stuff that pcman had me install to be able to compile pcmanfm
> from source with debug on
>
> I use pidjin for my Im/IRC stuff, bog-standard no additional stuff on that
> one as they can cause problems. I found xChat to be very memory hungry, and
> need IM as well as IRC
>
> If you know of no-one seeing it, I'll put the beta2 onto a 'clean'
> partition
> & see how it runs, the leak has always been very evident within a few
> hours.
>
>  No sign of a memory leak here at the moment on beta 2..
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing report - network manager

[Andrew Woodhead]

If you then run:

sudo iwlist scan

Do you see the network?

You may have to connect to it after you make it.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Roger Dean
wrote:

> Hi there
>
> Congrats and thanks for all the hard work with Lubuntu!
>
> I've noticed that lubuntu B2 (updated) doesn't seem able to 'create new
> wireless network'. Steps to reproduce -
>
> 1. Click network icon in notification area, and select 'create new
> wireless network'
> 2. Select wireless security 'none', give the network a name and click
> 'create'
> 3. Network manager tries and fails to create the network. Notifies
> 'disconnected'
>
> This is reproducible every time, and I've tried it on a thinkpad x60s
> and an eee 901. Network creation works fine on ubuntu lucid B2. I've not
> tried the other security options, but I think there's something to look
> at here anyway
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa & updating

[Andrew Woodhead]

The 3 points below can be applied to the GUI method also. The aim of Ubuntu
is "it just works" so if it doesn't work we should provide help which
follows this mantra. Here is the command, it just works just like Ubuntu
just works.
Makes complete sense.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Chow Loong Jin  wrote:

> On Thursday 08,April,2010 07:01 PM, Andrew Woodhead wrote:
> > Because email is text based so text based help is a logical step. Most
> > of the official documentation also includes text based help which is
> > usually quicker than a user trying to find what is being described and
> > possibly clicking the wrong thing and possibly screwing their system. A
> > command from a knowledgeable user will simply do the job and can be copy
> > and pasted to the terminal to precisely achieve the goal.
>
> While also scaring away new users since they will:
>  1. not be able to understand the command, or what they are doing
>  2. be forced to give you their blind trust
>  3. not be able to reproduce whatever they did again without referring to
> your
>e-mail or chat logs because of #1.
>
> There is only one word to describe the act of providing console-only help
> to new
> users who are lost in the terminal:
>
> *LAZINESS*
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa & updating

[Andrew Woodhead]

Because email is text based so text based help is a logical step. Most of
the official documentation also includes text based help which is usually
quicker than a user trying to find what is being described and possibly
clicking the wrong thing and possibly screwing their system. A command from
a knowledgeable user will simply do the job and can be copy and pasted to
the terminal to precisely achieve the goal.



On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Steve  wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:36:34 +0100, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>  why not use command line, so much easier than messing with stupid slow
>> GUIs:
>>
>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo
>> apt-get upgrade
>>
>> or whatever. Simple to describe in an email rather than "click this click
>> that type this" etc
>>
>>
>>
>>  Because some people are terrified of the command line.  Apart from which,
> why offer only one solution when others are available
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa & updating

[Andrew Woodhead]

why not use command line, so much easier than messing with stupid slow GUIs:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo
apt-get upgrade

or whatever. Simple to describe in qan email rather than "click this click
that type this" etc



On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Until 'Update Mananger', or the Lubuntu replacement are ready, would be
> okay to add the instructions from post the instructions on Updating Lubuntu
> I was given from http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=54 to the
> wiki page as part of the 'Download Lubuntu' 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download
> Lubuntu 
>
> (I will just post the instructions, not my comments on the team ;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] about lubuntu...

[Andrew Woodhead]

Wicd also doesnt support 3g which users may need (as far as i remember)

I prefer wicd personally, it is DE independant which is swt



On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:04 AM, PCMan  wrote:

> Wrong list.
> Please join  and ask there.
> Besides, network manager has better compatibility with many kinds of
> hardware.
> Wicd works well, but it doesn't always work on some machines.
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Alfonso Quiroga
>  wrote:
> > Hi! Is this the correct list to ask about lubuntu? My question is that I
> > installed lubuntu-desktop on a 9.10 ubuntu, really fast, really nice. :-)
> >
> > The point is wicd.. I didn't know about it, and it comes with
> > lubuntu-desktop. Is really usefull and I like it, and I use only wired
> > connection (people say it's amazing in wireless)
> > My question is I heard that lubuntu 10.04 is going to change wicd for
> > network manager (default gnome connection manager). Why this change? :(
> > thanks
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] samba

[Andrew Woodhead]

Why not just use /etc/samba/smb.conf ?

simply add this sort of thing to share a folder:

[DOWNLOADS]
path = /home/andy
comment = Some stuff
browsable = yes
read only = no
writable = yes
hide dot files = yes
guest ok = no
invalid users = root bin daemon nobody named sys tty disk mem
valid users = andy

as an example from my file server sharing my universal home folder, people
get so tied up on gui tools when the conf file can be easily learned,
especially as the file is so humanly readable.



On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

> Thanks,
>
> I've only ever had MacOSX and Win connected via Samba, and I'm using a set
> of instructions for pyneighborhood that are for a an earlier release.
>
> As pcmanfm uses gvfs for the smb part, and there appears to be an elephant
> in the room re: the core 10.04 and samba I'd hate to start pointing fingers.
> I don't have enough knowledge of samba to state yes / no as to if the bug
> others are seeing on 'main' 10.04 carries over to lubuntu, but I figure it
> would.
>
> I also cannot state if pyneighborhood uses the gvfs interface, but it would
> make sense if it did.
>
> Hopefully one of the lubuntu devs could tell us if the reported gremlin in
> the 10.04 area would affect lubuntu.
>
> My own thought is to hold back until they have it fixed in 10.04 main, but
> I am completely open to being corrected and being informed that the samba
> issue with gvfsd-smb-browse does NOT have any effect on lubuntu.
>
> Assuming we wait until it is fixed for ubuntu 10.04, I'll then set up a
> share with that, so I know it all works - Then I'll try with Lubuntu.
>
> I'm open to any comments / suggestions, though :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Phix  wrote:
>
>> I can help with testing if you'd like. Pyneighborhood was something I
>> tried in karmic lubuntu before installing alpha 3, and it didn't work very
>> well there either, but that might have been from the bug in samba main.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Phill Whiteside 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don't know how others are getting on with pyneighborhood, I've been
>>> struggling, it seems that I am not alone with samba.
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1426517
>>>
>>> There appears to be gremlin in the works :-(
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Scanning and printing graphics, how?

[Andrew Woodhead]

install xsane from the repo and you will get it, you may have to setup
drivers etc, similarly you can install gwenview or eog and view / print
images. gwenview is the choice in fluxbuntu.
HTH

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Steve  wrote:

>
>
> Unless I’m missing something there appears to be no scanning package
> installed as standard and no easy way of printing photos.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Nice comment. Let's make sure that we don't make the same mistakes.

[Andrew Woodhead]

Its only looks though. Like gaps in icons.
I'd rather the devs concentrate on getting things working than minor
graphical "issues" like this.
I actually commented on the post to this effect.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

> Indeed, PCMan, if you get a chance, take a look at what the response on
> Lucid Test Forum is
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1427273
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM, PCMan  wrote:
>
>> I personally agreed with most of the things in this article.
>>
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/16-things-that-could-be-improved-in.html
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] restricted-extras

[Andrew Woodhead]

As Lubuntu uses gstreamer like Ubuntu just use ubuntu-resricted-extras. kde
uses something different so has its own thing, i believe xubuntu-restricted
extras is the same as ubuntu-restricted-extras. Just need to copy the
package and rename t on the repo afaics ;)

Just my 2p worth
-Andy

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:

>
> M. Daub schrieb:
>
>> Hello *,
>>
>> for the other ubuntu's there are restricted-extras-packages.
>> Which is most suitable for lubuntu or will be there also a
>> lubuntu-restricted-
>> extras-package in the future?
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Marcus
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> There is currently no restriction package. You need to install
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Intersting Article

[Andrew Woodhead]

I don't contest the results but can someone explain how a lighter DE uses
less power? Is it because the CPU is used less so takes less juice?
Nice article though. KDE is really bloated and the Kubuntu team is quite
small.

-Andy

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Glen Bizeau  wrote:

> I especially like the little list at the bottom
>
> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-a-resource-hog-949634.html
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] new logo

[Andrew Woodhead]

I liked both so did not vote.


2010/3/8 PCMan 

> Maybe we can hold a vote on http://forum.lxde.org/ :-)
>
> 2010/3/8 神癒礁湖 
>
>>  I know we're freezed, so we don't need to change anything except the
>> logos.
>>
>> PS. At the end of the day, both proposals are tied again. Curious, this
>> flows and turns back dozens of times...
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Post A3 Test: Encrypted home folder

[Andrew Woodhead]

No because it causes more bother than its worth. Too many users getting
nonbootable systems then losing data as they can't/won't decrypt their
drives.


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> Hi,
>
> did anyone test the Alpha 3 with encrypted home folder ?
> On my virtual installation it isn't decrypting my home folder. I need to do
> this manually on a tty.
> I think it might be a bug in lxdm.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit

[Andrew Woodhead]

You can install the 64bit minimal system or u-lite then install the
lubuntu-desktop metapackage. It will then be 64bit

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> Le mardi 02 mars 2010 à 08:22 +0100, M. Daub a écrit :
> > I don't know anything about packaging, so please could anyone say
> something
> > about the possibility of making a 64-bit-edition too?
>
> There will be no 64 bits until the ISO is generated by the Ubuntu
> architecture. I may generate a 64 bits ISO for the final release, but I
> don't think before this.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] xfburn and hal

[Andrew Woodhead]

I recommend gnomeburner. I personally have never had success with brasero.

On 27 Feb 2010 19:11, "M. Daub"  wrote:

Hello *,

one big goal of the new release of ubuntu is to remove hal.

With shipping xfburn in lubuntu there would be a necessity for hal, because
xfburn really needs hal.
Wouldn't it be better to use brasero?
Even xubuntu ships brasero.

Regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PCManFM/libfm now has thumbnail support and auto-mount!

[Andrew Woodhead]

sudo modprobe floppy

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks, I will made testing packages available on the Lubuntu PPA :
> https://edge.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
>
> First bug I saw with the auto-mount is that pcmanfm2 try to auto-mount
> floppy0 (/dev/fd0), which bring error message when you don't have a
> floppy driver :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
> Le vendredi 19 février 2010 à 13:55 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> > Hi list,
> > After days of hacking, now pcmanfm2/libfm supports thumbnail and very
> > basic auto-mount.
> > Heavy testing is needed since I'm going to make first public tarball
> > release (alpha release).
> > Translators please exam English strings to see if there are errors in
> > spelling or grammar since I'm not native speacker. There is no urgent
> > need to update your translations because strings are not yet frozen
> > and they might be changed later.
> > After some final UI polishing, I'll make a tarball. My current plan is
> > to release it within one week.
> >
> > Besides, some people seemed to notice prolonged startup time. Please
> > confirm this.
> > If the startup speed is really slow, I need to fix that.
> >
> > Cheers!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] colours

[Andrew Woodhead]

How about a few screenshots in a few different colours to see what the
consensus is?



2010/2/18 jo franz 

> hm, ok, purple is a trendcolour. thats right, its in (even if some
> magazines say that grey is the new purple), but it will become out again.
> maybe one year, maybe three, but same as neon-colours: totally cool now (and
> in the 80ies), but forgotten and ugly in some years.
> Our logo (and thats were i want the colourchange, even if the ubuntu logo
> is yellow and orange and brown, many parts of the standard theme are grey)
> should have a colour thats always ok, like a evergreen . purple has nothing
> to do with the philosophy of lxde or lubuntu. green has.  i changed your
> screenshot to green (just for comparison) and made some on my own.
>
> i made the files brown, a purple/blue/green wallpaper and logo doesn't meen
> that every little symbol has to have that colour.
> best regards, jo.
>
>
> 2010/2/18 Sylkis 
>
>> I didn't say it's pink. but it's more of a tone of pinkish varieties of
>> violet ;) and I just know how many people would react depite it looks good
>>
>>
>> 2010/2/18 Jonay Santana 
>>
>>   Looks nice to me. And I wouldn't call it "pink", it looks more like
>>> "purple"... ;)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Sylkis  wrote:
>>>
 I think it is going in a good direction - a minimal gamma correction to
 make it look less pink (especially the lighter part of wallparer), maybe
 base it on #4B0082 indigo? and I think we have an original, good look. I
 think it's nice even now, but many people would call it 'gay' (I didn't 
 want
 to use that word, but don't know how to say that nicely, I hope you guys
 understand), that why I propose less pinkish hue.



 2010/2/18 神癒礁湖 

>  Wow, I see an explossion about colour issue. Please, check the theme
> wiki and see the options. I've made a few wallpapers for matching the blue
> colours. And I must be clear, I've received from Canonical the colour
> specifications about usage, logos, trademarks and Pantone(tm) references.
> That's why Xubuntu and Kubuntu (and "official" derivatives, as we want to
> be) are "blue". Anyway, look at this shot:
>
>
>
> Is the purple / pink background with dark panel. As you can see
> there're a lot of combinations, but remaining theme specs. I'll made a 
> poll
> to request your preferences about GUI details.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Fwd: Re: Colourchange?]

[Andrew Woodhead]

MoonOS is green too (LXDE based) and so is Fluxbuntu ;)



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:20 AM, josef A. Beroeatwarin <
rajatanpacel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all Lubuntu geeks or whatever :-)
>
> So its sound like  we are so close with the release of Lubuntu. Green is
> nice and for the one that took time to make the green logo thank you...
> I like to have a different colour... because kubuntu is blue, ubuntu is
> brown xubuntu is grey,wattos (ubuntu derived and using lxde) is green just
> like opensuse.
> I like  to see purple with a combination with black or grey... I not a
> really a purple lover I am more of green or blue but... I what to see
> something different with a own status of colour and with the the logo of
> ubuntu as sign "where we come from"
> So guys what do you think of purple with black, grey maybe metalic,
> ofcourse its sound heavy but its still runs light...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original Message   Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop]
> Colourchange? Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:03:06 -0600 From: Dallas
> Wiebelhaus   To:
> lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net References:
> <98e5a5931002170923x5f3be672je41032d9bb3de...@mail.gmail.com><98e5a5931002170923x5f3be672je41032d9bb3de...@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> +1 4 Blue.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sylkis  wrote:
>
>> I still like blue better. for me it doesn't really matter that there
>> are othes blue distros, it's just a good looking colour and I gues
>> everything's aesthetical with it, unlike with green imo. I mea, it is
>> possible to make sth look good with green, but i think it would be
>> really dissicult to match it to lubuntu - a very narrow selection of
>> green shades is aesthetical for such use, and it matches poorly with
>> other colours. I think that even red or purple would do better, but
>> that's my personal opinion. maybe gray variations would be nice too,
>> or maybe we could mix many colours, instead of keeping everyting in
>> one? mixture of blue, dark green, with white, gray and black accents.
>> what do you think? I just don't really think it looks good in just
>> green. but decision is up to whole community ;)
>>
>> 2010/2/17 jo franz :
>> > look, we didnt even agree on the logo in the artwork team. There are so
>> many
>> > ideas. But if you guys say green would be ok or even better than blue,
>> the
>> > artwork-team could concentrate on designing green logos.  just look at
>> the
>> > attachement! these are just some from dozens of ideas.
>> >
>> > 2010/2/17 Sylkis 
>> >>
>> >> I know it's a quickly made paintswitch, but that greeness and metallic
>> >> LXDE logo doesn't really fit imo, maybe a change should go even
>> >> further for a nice result?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/2/17 jo franz :
>> >> > i just made some with kolourpaint... wait, ill attach them
>> >> >
>> >> > 2010/2/17 Glen Bizeau 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can we see some quick concepts?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Green is a pleasing color, I personally prefer dark themes :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> GB
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, jo franz <
>> jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > hey guys, someone from the artworkteam had a really good idea
>> today:
>> >> >> > what
>> >> >> > about a change from blue to green? we would have to change all the
>> >> >> > wallpapers, logos and  the whole design, but i think it would be
>> >> >> > worth
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > time. The Kubuntu logo is blue, also the one from Xubuntu - why
>> >> >> > shouldn't we
>> >> >> > try something new? Lubuntu will be a standalone Distribution - we
>> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > to take the same colours as the other official ubuntu-derivates.
>> The
>> >> >> > colour
>> >> >> > green "would fit nicely with the idea of lxde using less
>> resources",
>> >> >> > how
>> >> >> > "jekopsch", the one who had this idea, said.
>> >> >> > So what do you think, guys?
>> >> >> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Last changes to applications installed by default

[Andrew Woodhead]

You can use:

chromium-browser --user-agent="Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT
6.0; Trident/4.0; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) ;
.NET CLR 3.5.30729)"

Should sort you out nice :)

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Joe  wrote:

> Having changed my browser from Midori to Chromium, I have now found that
> my bank (Royal bank of Scotland) won't let me access online banking.
>
> Does anyone know how to set up user-agent spoofing or should I be using
> Chrome rather than chromium?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe
>
> On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 11:12 +, Steve wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:49:00 -, Joe  wrote:
> >
> > > On balance this all makes sense.
> > >
> > > I think we should keep an eye on Midori to see how it develops as it
> > > could provide a lighter alternative but Chromium probably has all the
> > > best parts of Firefox without the bloat so although not my first choice
> > > is probably the correct choice.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to Alpha3
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > While I remain unconvinced Chromium is the best choice, a choice has to
> be
> > made.  I think Midori would have benefited from inclusion, but... it was
> > not to be (at the moment).  Once this distro sees the light of day and
> > people start to use it on low powered/RAM machines we’ll have a lot more
> > idea of users expectations.
> >
> > Looking forward to a new ISO and the meeting.
> >
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

[Andrew Woodhead]

This all just shows how garbage firefox is

BOOYA!!

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Mikhail Maksimov wrote:

> Steve,
>
> I simply cannot deduce the difference.
>
> Fully updated my installation at about 7 AM GMT 2010-02-11. Used only
> the default repos set by installer. Yet again freshly booted system
> running just taskmanager and Midori reports 108 Mb RAM used.
>
> Midori's help->about reports: "Midori 0.2.2, GTK+ 2.19.1, WebKitGTK+
> 1.1.17"
>
> Why is it eating 30 Mb of RAM more than on your system?
>
> BTW, the 75 Mb usage with three pages seem unbelievably low. I'm going
> to retry the tests having only 128 Mb RAM left in the system.
>
> Regards,
> Mikhail
>
> On 2/11/10, Steve  wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:59:11 -, Mikhail Maksimov  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all.
> >
> > I've resurrected an ancient PC to try Lubuntu. Celeron 400 MHz, 256 Mb
> > RAM and a 20 Gb PATA HDD. Here's my impression of running different
> > browsers on the specified hardware.
> >
> > Tried this on my machine 266MHz PII, 128MB 66MHz ECC RAM, 6.4GB UDM2 HDD
> > Only tested Midori so far, will try others tomorrow.
> >
> > Testing method:
> > 1. Install Lubuntu from Lucid alpha2 preview2 iso.
> > As above fully updated as of 10:20 UTC 2010/2/10
> >
> > 2. Install additional browsers (Chromium, Midori, Arora) from default
> > Lucid repos.
> > 3. For each of the four available browsers, measure startup time and
> > memory usage on a freshly-booted machine (no executables cached), with
> > homepage set to about:blank (no downloading/rendering on startup).
> > 4. For each of the four available browsers, try to load three tabs:
> > - open google.com, search for "Lubuntu";
> > - open my gmail account, navigate to a 47-letters thread in
> > lubuntu-desktop list ("default browser" discussion), hit "expand all"
> > and wait for all to expand;
> > - open http://www.rbc.ru, a news site in Russian with several Flash
> > banners on the start page.
> > 5. Examine memory usage afterwards.
> >
> > All memory usage numbers are listed as reported by Xfce4 Taskmanager
> > with default settings (ie, with "Show memory used by cache as free"
> > option active). These values are total numbers, including any memory
> > used by system. A freshly-booted system with just taskmanager running
> > reports 50..58 Mb RAM used.
> >
> > Startup times and memory usage after loading (homepage is about:blank,
> > if applicable):
> > Firefox: 13 seconds, 85 Mb.
> > Chromium: 8..10 s, 81 Mb.
> > Arora: 12 s, 78 Mb.
> > Midori: 17 s, 108 Mb.
> >
> > Midori: 23 s, 75MB
> >
> >
> > Common problems noticed:
> > 1. Standard Gmail interface is slow. After initializing, it occupies
> > about half CPU capacity constantly. Occasionally, several  seconds'
> > delays happen just as I type this text.
> > 2. Flash literally kills everything.  Several gtk-gnash processes take
> > up all CPU power the machine has. Several times, I had to wait for
> > more than 10 minutes (!) until taskmanager window gets redrawn and I'm
> > able to see memory usage.
> >
> > Arora problem: never finished expanding the 47 messages thread. "Still
> > Working" message remains shown for more than 10 minutes, and there are
> > about 15 messages not expanded.
> >
> > Firefox problem: while expanding 47 messages, gmail shows
> > "unresponsive script" warning at least once. Apparently, the script is
> > suspended until the user makes a choice, so the loading process needs
> > close user attention.
> >
> > Midori: initially, gmail did not identify it as a fully compatible
> > browser and loaded a reduced "compatible" interface. However, after
> > changing the reported browser type to Firefox in preferences, no
> > problems encountered with the full version of gmail interface.
> >
> > Same problem and solution
> >
> > Memory usage with three tabs loaded:
> > Firefox: 150..160 Mb.
> > Arora: 175..185 Mb.
> > Midori: 175..185 Mb.
> > Chromium: 135..145 Mb.
> >
> > Midori: 74MB
> >
> > Conclusion: on low-grade hardware, flash and script-rich pages are
> > painfully slow regardless of the browser. On less than 192 Mb RAM, you
> > are likely to experience swapping with several pages opened in any
> > browser.
> >
> > Given the available options, my vote is for Chromium *and* disabling
> > flash by default. Best is to start playing flash only after the user
> > clicks on it, however I'm not sure if it's possible without hacking
> > the browser code.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mikhail
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-base

[Andrew Woodhead]

sudo su is NOT advised

use:

sudo -s



On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Zoltan Matlak  wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> I would like to ask for your help. I'm a ubuntu user for some time but not
> very experienced in customization and scripting. My answer would be: how to
> remove all apps from a default lubuntu-desktop installation (let's say from
> alpha2) and leave the core components intact? I know this is not in the
> scope of lubuntu, I'm just curious how can be this done (I consider it an
> excercise for myself to learn, play with the repo and add/remove apps ... ).
> Can it be done in several different ways? Probably... :)
>
> I was thinking to remove all apps like graphics editor, browser, office
> stuff, media players, chat clients, email client ... and just leave a
> Ubuntu+LXDE+infrastructure. In infrastructure I mean Leafpad, ePdfView,
> GPicView, Xfburn, Xarchiver, Wicd transmission, printing & BT support,
> Galculator, Synaptic. My goal is to get a "lubuntu-base" system, so that
> later any preferred app can be added with synaptic.
>
>
> My solution is the following. Please be "cruel" and tell me if something is
> wrong or can be done better or easier. Any suggestion/comment you might have
> helps me learn more about customization and linux in general. Thanks guys.
>
> 0. sudo su -
> 1. apt-get update
> 2. apt-get autoremove --purge -y -m firefox mtpaint aqualung cheese
> smplayer sylpheed abiword gnumeric pidgin xchat memtest86+
> 3. apt-get install -y -m lxde
> 4. apt-get install -f -y
> 5. apt-get dist-upgrade -y
> 6. apt-get autoremove --purge -y
> 7. apt-get clean
>
>
> Q1: Am I removing pieces (components) that are needed? How can find out (or
> how can I be sure) I'm not removing some useful packages?
> Q2: is step 3 needed? will this install any missing dependencies I might
> have deleted at step 2?
>
> Thank again for reading.
> Zoltan
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser

[Andrew Woodhead]

+1 to this but make Arora default. Firefox is garbage


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Jeff Stone  wrote:

> Unfortunately, whichever browser you chose, a bunch of potential users are
> going to be turned off. An alternative to consider is initially install no
> browser, then have a post-install script that will ask the user to decide,
> something like this:
>
> Browser:
> 1. Firefox (default)
> 2. Midori
> 3. Epiphany
> 4. Arora
> 5. Chromium
> 6. none
> etc.
>
> Office:
> 1. Abiword + Gnumeric (default)
> 2. Openoffice.org
> 3. none
>
> Image editor:
>
> Music player:
>
> Launcher:
> 1. Kupfer
>
> IM Client:
>
> etc
>
> The script might not have to do anything more than a few sudo apt-get
> installs. I don't know if this breaks some Ubuntu philosopy, but I think it
> opens the distro up to a *much* wider audience.
>
> I'm sure you can't make dramatic changes to Ubiquity, and I know you don't
> want the user to have to make a lot of decisions at install time, but I'd
> *FAR* rather pick between a), b) and c), and know that the config is setup
> properly than to have to figure out how to delete one package and install
> another. You could even start with with the question "Do you want to select
> packages other than the defaults (Firefox, Abiword, Gnumeric etc)?"
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Steve wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:40:35 -, David Robert Lewis (ethnopunk) <
>> ethnop...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>>  `
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>
 On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:27:58 -, 神癒礁湖 
 wrote:

  LOL. Discussion about browser is out of the box! :-)
>
> OK, fully agree with Julián Alarcón and Jonay Santana. I'm only a
> designer (and was a coder, but not now). Mother's impressions are good
> as they are perfect beta testers.
>
> Midori and Arora are the best browser for this release / distro. Arora
> was even capable to load complex certificates accesing the tricky
> goverment pages (educational ministry, for example) and not Midori. So,
> equation gets simple.
>
> We have to keep an eye on speed, easyness and also features, and Midori
> lack a bit of functions that are already implemented on Arora.
>
> If anybody wants a geek distro try compiling a minial Gentoo with that
> rare fork of KDE. Lubuntu must be installable on any machine with ANY
> user.
>
>  Not tried Arora, another one to look at.
 As the browser is probably the most important piece of software, from a
 users perspective, this has to be got right.  The problem for me is, I like
 my 'bells & whistles" on my browser and find it hard to use some of the
 simpler ones.  I’m quite the opposite with media players, I dislike all 
 this
 play list silliness and other complications.



>>> Chromium is great. However, I still think the distro should be called
>>> Lewbuntu. :)
>>>
>>>  I thought LoUbuntu :)
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser

[Andrew Woodhead]

What about Kazehakase which is a stripped down Firefox.

Firefox is a crappy browser once you try other stuff. The only thing I have
seen people sa yits great about is plugins which other browsers are now ok
with.

You failed to mention Arora which is webkit based and fully supports scipts
and ajax. I strongly advise you try it.
-Andy

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Steve wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:18:06 -, Julián Alarcón 
> wrote:
>
> Some notes:
>
> Lubuntu is Ubuntu and free software, so, is not JUST for linux geeks,
> is for all "human beings".
> Lubuntu will be a light OS, so, no big resources. The main goal of
> Lubuntu is to bring Ubuntu to old PCs (here on Colombia many people
> (rural zones) use Pentium II + 256 of RAM + 10 GB DD + 1024x768 max.
> resolution), and, if we can give a complete experience to old
> computers, we'll score!!
>
> * Browse trough a Terminal? Lynx is completely out.
>
> * Chrome is NOT free software [1]
>
> * Chromium really is free software, but, Chromium is NOT a final
> browser,just a development branch, so.. Support for Chromium is
> unknown, but, Chromium is now on Lucid, so, maybe this won't be a
> problem.
>
> * Firefox is great, and Firefox 3.6 rulez! But, is not fast.
>
> * Midori is great, but have some render and identification problems,
> and less features.
>
> * Opera is NOT free software, one less...
>
> So, we have: Firefox, Chromium, and Midori.
>
> * The big faults of Chomium are, no official support (so Midori) from
> Canonical and from Google (Chromium is just a name project for Google)
> AND a big amount of memory use (I'm testing Chromium and with 7 tabs I
> got 815 MB used!!! (No flash guys)).
> Don't think so much on HTML5 (video), my PC waste more CPU watching
> OGG (on Firefox) and h264 (on Chromium) than Flash on both (this is
> sad but true, there are not good video libraries yet)
>
> * Midori is a great tool, not official support from Canonical, but,
> Midori developers are supporting Midori, and this is good. And, Midori
> has been on Ubuntu repos since Hardy, so, we got some experience..
>
> * Firefox is great, but, it's not so fast, and we need something fast
> (remember, old PC's). Firefox have extensions, browser market, support
> from many sites, official support from Canonical and Mozilla,low
> memory use.
>
>
> So, my favorites:
>
> * Midori + Extension to bring "false" identification of Firefox or
> Safari (I like more Firefox ID) to surpass identification problems
>
> * Firefox, keep it simple. Firefox is now a great web browser, and has
> many many people behind.
>
> Having now used Lubuntu on a PII with 128MB RAM, I have to say I tend to
> agree with the above.  Once you open 2 or 3 pages with either Chromium or FF
> the machine can be come quite unresponsive as the poor drive gets thrashed
> with things swapping in an out. Going to try Midori again latter.
>
>
> Note: Don't think on LTS status, I guest that Lubuntu won't be an LTS
> release (just like Kubuntu 8.04).
>
> I think that was me that throw that one in. I just remember the confusion
> with the two KDE 8.04 releases
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser

[Andrew Woodhead]

+1 for chromium. although Arora is lighter and webkit based so +1 there too

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Jonay Santana wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Matteo Pagliazzi <
> matteopaglia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, i'm matteo an italian user.
>> For me the best browser for lubuntu is Chromium because is light, very
>> fast, well-know and have extension.
>> For me firefox is too fat.
>>
>>
>>
>   Agreed. Also I want to de-promote the use of Opera, a privative browser
> (even when it is a quite good one) doesn't fit very well with a standard
> installation of *buntu.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] RAM and CPU Requierments

[Andrew Woodhead]

FeatherLinux, DSL, Puppy all work great on old rigs


On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 00:38 -0500, Josh Embrey wrote:
> Although others have suggested other things, there are specific linux
> distributions that can really work well with old (I mean REALLY old)
> systems.  The issue is that they're really complicated for daily use.
> One good one.  TinyCore linux would work amazingly well on it, but
> it's not for new users by any means.  It does, however, have a basic
> GUI.  So, the option is there.
> 
> http://tinycorelinux.com
> 
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Eduard Gotwig
>  wrote:
> How many RAM and CPU does Lubuntu 10.4 will require?
> i have a 266 mhz pentium 2 processor,126 mb ram and 5 gb disk
> space and
> what linux kernel we would take?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Andrew Woodhead]

You'll find most users simply will not use anything else other than firefox
(sad but true) So will more than likely install it anyway due to ignorance
or some form of loyalty, despite its massive shortcomings (like ridiculous
ram usage)

I personally use Chromium and believe there is a time when we look back at
firefox and say "what were we thinking!!?"
-ActionParsnip (aka andy)


On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, mehageg  wrote:

> I defectively agree, chrome is a good choice, in condition that it's
> operational by the time of 10.4
> for the case it's not - I'd like to have your opinion regarding arora, I
> really find it mean and lean.
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Sylkis  wrote:
>
>> 2009/11/15 mehageg 
>>
>>>  as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
>>> consider using arora  instead
>>> of firefox as the main web-browser.
>>> from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
>>> supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
>>> java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
>>> live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).
>>>
>>> in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
>>> slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.
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>> Why not consider google-chrome? I know it's 'beta' status, but as I've
>> been using it for a long time - since version in which plugins are defaultly
>> on it's perfectly stable, and it's really lightweight and fast :) AND it's
>> becoming quite popular, so I think it'd be better for lubuntu to have a
>> popular browser that many people are familiar with, rather than having some
>> exotic one that very little number of people use
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Google Wave

[Andrew Woodhead]

I've requested one for myself. I think we should all do similar.
Otherwise I am unsure. There i a big ass video on googlevideo (funnily
enough) outlining what it can do. It will be open source too :)

On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 09:45 -0300, Henrique P. Machado wrote:
> Good! I'd like to test it!
> 
> But, how can we get the invitation? :/
> 
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 05:43, Andrew Woodhead
>  wrote:
> > If we all had google wave it would make colaboration much more efficient due
> > to google wave's structure
> >
> > Any thoughts? Can we get some invites etc.
> >
> > Loving the test iso so far guys
> >
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Google Wave

[Andrew Woodhead]

If we all had google wave it would make colaboration much more efficient due
to google wave's structure

Any thoughts? Can we get some invites etc.

Loving the test iso so far guys

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Meet up in Singapore on Sep. 24

[Andrew Woodhead]

Would love to but airfare from UK is a LOT of cash that I just don't got
Hope it goes well
=D

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Mario Behling  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> please see below the invitation of Luther and me for a meet up in
> Singapore for interested lubuntu folks this week in Singapore, that
> was send out to local groups. If anyone is on the list from Singapore,
> please join.
>
> All the best,
>
> Mario
>
> -
>
> This is a meetup call for anyone who is interested in contributing to
> Lubuntu, an LXDE flavour of Ubuntu.
>
> Elfgoh and I are keen to form a Singapore based Lubuntu team. A team
> located within the same locality may be able to coordinate and
> collaborate much more efficiently due to physical proximity. Both
> technical and non technical contributors are required, but willingness
> to contribute and learn actively is the key. Areas of contribution
> include the Drupal website, seeding, packaging, artwork and
> translation
>
> There is already a beta iso of Karmic. But much work remains to be done.
>
> This informal meetup aims to bring together current and potential
> Lubuntu contributers to answer any queries and tie down any
> coordinations.
>
> The meetup will take place in town at 7.45pm on Thursday, Sep. 24. A
> contact of Elfgoh has offered to help us book a venue in SMU, School
> of Information Systems, failing which we will meet at the Kopitiam
> beside SMU. For the purposes of keeping interested parties updated of
> the finalized venue, please RSVP at
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dFNtaHZ0cUxfUUZlYTcyTExBdXlfMUE6MA
>
> If you have trouble locating the venue on the actual day, please
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>
> Looking forward to meet up with interested folks!
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> > Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely
>> need
>> >> > time to follow the threads.
>> >> >
>> >> > For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals
>> and
>> >> > applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at
>> >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of the
>> >> > meeting
>> >> > was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the
>> >> > goals of
>> >> > Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what has
>> >> > transpired so far.
>> >> >
>> >> > I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting
>> is
>> >> > that
>> >> > Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality
>> and
>> >> > usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have
>> subjective
>> >> > meaning).
>> >> >
>> >> > The list of applications at
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
>> >> > are
>> >> > just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally,
>> >> > only
>> >> > one will be included from each application category.
>> >> >
>> >> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox,
>> OpenOffice.org,
>> >> > VLC
>> >> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on
>> the
>> >> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting?
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Ed Hewitt 
>> >> > To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu
>> (Heavy
>> >> > &
>> >> > Slow)
>> >> >
>> >> > I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to
>> think
>> >> > so.
>> >> > I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
>> >> >>
>> >> >> May help to guide
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york 
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Good point ed,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight,
>> what
>> >> >>> will be the minimum and recommended specs?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jon York
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
>> >> >>> From: edwardahew...@googlemail.com
>> >> >>> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
>> >> >>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
>> &
>> >> >>> Slow)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu,
>> having
>> >> >>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its
>> all
>> >> >>> about
>> >> >>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to
>> have
>> >> >>> one
>> >> >>> build, lubuntu-desktop.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is
>> >> >>> bundled
>> >> >>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the
>> box
>> >> >>> which
>> >> >>> works well with the LXDE environment.
>> >> >>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

/me Grumbles at openoffice and firefox

but if its agreed then its agreed

Will be hitting some CD making if I get chance. Got a big month ahead but
will no doubt try and get something constructive done

Peace


On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely need
> time to follow the threads.
>
> For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals and
> applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of the
> meeting was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the
> goals of Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what
> has transpired so far.
>
> I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting is that
> Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality and
> usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have subjective
> meaning).
>
> The list of applications at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applicationsare 
> just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally,
> only one will be included from each application category.
>
> At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox, OpenOffice.org,
> VLC I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on the
> mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting?
>
>
> *From:* Ed Hewitt 
> *To:* lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
> & Slow)
>
> I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to think
> so. I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
>
> 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead 
>
>> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
>>
>> May help to guide
>>
>> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york  wrote:
>>
>>>  Good point ed,
>>>
>>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
>>>
>>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight, what
>>> will be the minimum and recommended specs?
>>>
>>> Jon York
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
>>> From: edwardahew...@googlemail.com
>>> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
>>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
>>> Slow)
>>>
>>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, having
>>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its all about
>>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to have one
>>> build, lubuntu-desktop.
>>>
>>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is bundled
>>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the box which
>>> works well with the LXDE environment.
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements

May help to guide

I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM



On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york  wrote:

>  Good point ed,
>
> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
>
> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight, what will
> be the minimum and recommended specs?
>
> Jon York
>
>
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
> From: edwardahew...@googlemail.com
> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)
>
> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, having
> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its all about
> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to have one
> build, lubuntu-desktop.
>
> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is bundled
> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the box which
> works well with the LXDE environment.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

I have a small script the guts the system of all the fluff I do not need.
These days I use the minimal ISO and install from the repos what I need. So
much better. My root partitions is currently 2Gb with the desktop + web
browse + vlc + transmission + pidgin + some plugins. Bliss [?]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Glen Bizeau  wrote:

> I agree,
>
> Keep it small and lean, and apt-get anything you need.
>
> The one question I think needs to be answered is " Are we making a
> distro for newbies?"
>
> If we are then you will need a bunch of standard default apps... If
> not, which I think in my personal experience with Linux and LXDE, this
> will probably only be attractive to the more experienced user, who
> like myself ends up uninstalling all the crap that comes with Ubuntu
> anywayI think it should be mean and lean and if you want
> something, go fetch it.
>
> Synaptic should be front and center though, is a launcher so it's easy
> ti find. And maybe a desktop document on the default install
> explaining about the distro and why it is what it is, and how to get
> software.
>
> my two-cents
>
> Glen
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Andrew
> Woodhead wrote:
> > This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
> > repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
> > If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a
> minimal
> > install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off
> the
> > repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
> > efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating
> the
> > system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are
> fully
> > installable once the installation has completed but the initial base
> system
> > should be slick and quick
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
> >> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
> >> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
> >> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
> >>
> >> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
> >> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
> >> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
> >> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
> >> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
> >> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
> >>
> >> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
> >> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
> >> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
> >> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
> >> install.
> >>
> >> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
> >> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
> >> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
> >> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
> >> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
> >> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
> >> mean for the final installed system.
> >>
> >> My $0.02.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> C David Rigby
> >>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

Can you clarify "create a base system" please. Do you want an Installable
ISO or do you just want a package list that would make it up?

Thanks
-Andy




On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:26 AM, jon york  wrote:

>  Hi guys, why dont we move this to the forum where it can be easier to
> document and organize these conversations?
>
> also on that topic, in my opinion, we need to divide us into work partners,
> as right now, there is much discussion and no work being done. I think the
> first step, is quite simply that a select few people, who know LXDE and
> ubuntu the best, that they can create a base system that we can work with.
> this system should be very small, and include nothing but the neccesairy
> files to run lxde on ubuntu, as well as synaptic. that way, we can all have
> the same base system to work with, and test things out with.
>
> Jon York
>
>
>
> --
> From: wiebelh...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:41:09 -0500
> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
> Slow)
>
> Stabilized without hiccups at 128mb ram , that's without youtube lagging
> out , you can go lower no doubt.
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus 
> wrote:
>
> By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on
> this DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down and see how low I
> can get.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
> repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
> If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a
> minimal install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed
> off the repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
> efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
> system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
> installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
> should be slick and quick
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
>
> 
>
> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
>
> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
>
> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
> install.
>
> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
> mean for the final installed system.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Cheers
> C David Rigby
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Andrew Woodhead]

There's also MoonOS. There are many distros with LXDE as default DE.

http://www.moonos.co.cc/



On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:

> For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought they
> were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
>
> I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite are
> these two projects related or completely separate?
>
> http://u-lite.org/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal
install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the
repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
should be slick and quick

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
>
> 
>
> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
>
> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
>
> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
> install.
>
> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
> mean for the final installed system.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Cheers
> C David Rigby
>
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