[LUTE] Re: Lute Song by Raymond Scott

2012-07-13 Thread Dan Winheld
On 7/13/2012 7:35 AM, howard posner wrote: On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: Far more relevant to our obsession is the forgotten Tarzon epic featuring virtuoso mandora perfomances while swinging tree to tree by the fabulously talented Johann Leopold Weissmuller. Filmed on location

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-13 Thread Dan Winheld
Must have been about 10 or so years ago Jacob Herringman was nearly defeated by the combined assault of jackhammers in the street outside Trinity Chapel (Berkeley, Early Music Festival Exhibition) and a screaming infant inside. Enough to deafen an entire family of Kalahari Bushmen. On

[LUTE] Re: Lute Song by Raymond Scott

2012-07-13 Thread Dan Winheld
Ed Howard didn't write that nonsense; I am solely responsible for it. Getting used to a new computer email system here, apologies to Ed Howard. (Consider this a test)- Dan Winheld On 7/13/2012 7:35 AM, howard posner wrote: On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: Far more relevant

[LUTE] Re: echanical pegs

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Winheld
I have them on my 8 course lute- 62 cm. Have not weighed them, but I feel no perceptible pegbox weight beyond the usual, which for this size type of lute is negligible to non-existent. It would, of course, be instructive to weigh one compare to normal pegs of comparable size made from the

[LUTE] Re: Mechanical Pegs

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Winheld
On 8/16/2012 2:58 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: One thing I do not like about traditional pegs is that it makes it virtually impossible to tune on the fly. Not according to E.G. Baron: A master must be able to tune his instrument instantly while playing, so that it is

[LUTE] Re: Mechanical Pegs

2012-08-17 Thread Dan Winheld
The first experience with these pegheds was on Dan Winheld's 8-course lute. I really liked them, a lot. Well, old pal, you just tried them out- you didn't have to live with them! I suspect that as my lute was Dan's trial run with these things, that not all the bugs (the pegs themselves as

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-17 Thread Dan Winheld
My lute pegbox bent- It fits in the case that way! Damn archlute rebuild. On 9/16/2012 7:16 PM, David Tayler wrote: You ask, by the look on your face Why the pegbox bends back at the base It's not Broken, awry Or to stick in your eye It's just so it'll fit in the case

[LUTE] Best Body Frets?

2012-09-25 Thread Dan Winheld
A question tossed onto the waves of this Ocean of Lute Wisdom- Any consensus regarding the best material for body frets? My woodies often sound a little too woody- they are some light colored wood, no idea what species; and lately I've been knocking them off the soundboard. So instead of just

[LUTE] Re: Best Body Frets?

2012-09-26 Thread Dan Winheld
the 10th fret usually) you have to look hard to find pieces that use notes above the 10th fret, for the rest of that century. Bill From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012, 0:37 Subject: [LUTE] Best Body Frets

[LUTE] Re: Best Body Frets?

2012-09-26 Thread Dan Winheld
01:37, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: A question tossed onto the waves of this Ocean of Lute Wisdom- What gets washed ashore - aprat from plastics - bamboo! I use bamboo skewers. Rummage through the kitchen drawers to find one. David To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: Best Body Frets?

2012-09-26 Thread Dan Winheld
..and I blew the syllable count on the last line. Hot seppuku for breakfast tomorrow. On 9/26/2012 4:22 PM, Sean Smith wrote: Frets fall, leaves fly. On Sep 26, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Warm case holds pegbox, Wooden frets are falling off- Autumn is in the air. To get

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread Dan Winheld
Works fine with singles. Many of us have been doing it for years. My 3rd fret, Baroque lute is on its 2nd rotation. Dan On 10/1/2012 3:10 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I don't know how this might work with single frets, but with double frets I'm able to ease the fret back towards the nut,

[LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US

2012-10-02 Thread Dan Winheld
I could use a bottle of Sunny Burgundy right now. Suitable for consumption, of course. Unlike anything from Pyramid- either the 'brewpub' here in Berkeley or those sitar strings anywhere. Martin- Congrats on the move- don't get sunstroke in the vineyard. Wish we were there! Dan On

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-18 Thread Dan Winheld
Until musical instruments can mate propagate on their own, the biological systems for classification become a strained analogy that must, at some point, break down. I'm still waiting for my 8 course tenor lute and my 13 course Baroque lute to get together some night and bless our happy

[LUTE] Re: Gut string prices.

2012-10-22 Thread Dan Winheld
Well, that particular news is almost 11 months old- but quite alright to give Dan Larson a plug. I just spent nearly $70 for a new 8th course Pistoy bass string fundamental - 1.84 mm. One string! But I have to say it was worth it. Pulls the whole lute together, soundwise. Dan On 10/22/2012

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland

2012-11-13 Thread Dan Winheld
, but sometimes so that they lost their character. And for me that is what I would like to avoid, so I go for versions that have their own character. dt --- On Tue, 11/13/12, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net Subject: Re: [LUTE] Reconstructing

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland

2012-11-15 Thread Dan Winheld
Nah. We wrapped it up; nothing else to see here. Haven't heard much from Martin Shepherd lately, no doubt living the good life bon vivant in his new Burgundian digs. I was waiting for him to jump in. But I am interested if any other Baroque lute players fill in some of the chords and

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland

2012-11-17 Thread Dan Winheld
I like the fake book idea, but even fake books are now a published, uniform commodity; as opposed to the individual personal compilations of different musicians, as varied as the individuals themselves. Tracking down and precisely nailing down the ornaments? Only up to a point, then one loses

[LUTE] Re: Reconstructing Dowland; deconstructing Dowland

2012-11-17 Thread Dan Winheld
is nice to get all the details right in addition. On 11/17/2012 9:51 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: On 17 November 2012 18:35, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: music, rather than a living re-creation. Even some Jazz Blues performers have fallen into this trap. One technically great performer I know

[LUTE] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Winheld
Kapsberger used a wire strung theorbo... Apples and oranges. Monofilament wire string technology, used in musical instruments, goes way back- predating the Renaissance, maybe 13th century (best I can remember off the top of my head). Nothing to do with the idea of thin wire overwound on a gut

[LUTE] Re: Gut strings - The elephant in the room

2012-11-30 Thread Dan Winheld
Bill- In fact, some of the string makers are well aware of the stiffness factor; and have been trying to cope with it, and are coming up with increasingly flexible bass (where of course it matters most) strings. I have recently been able to go to an all gut Pistoy of Dan Larson for the 8th

[LUTE] Re: Gut strings - The elephant in the room

2012-11-30 Thread Dan Winheld
progressing. Bill From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012, 19:10 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut strings - The elephant in the room Bill- In fact, some of the string makers

[LUTE] Re: Gut strings - The elephant in the room

2012-12-01 Thread Dan Winheld
On 12/1/2012 7:20 PM, Edward Martin wrote: Blood letting? It still works as the primary therapy for Polycythemia Vera. Kindly translate for us layluters, please- is it worse than Lachrimae Vera? ed At 12:00 PM 12/1/2012, Dan Winheld wrote: On 12/1/2012 5:07 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote

[LUTE] Recycled instruments

2012-12-11 Thread Dan Winheld
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXynrsrTKbI -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXynrsrTKbI To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Saturday quotes - Dowland's poem

2012-12-15 Thread Dan Winheld
If you mean at the same time; -Shaving with a straight razor in one hand and eating with chopsticks in the other. But Thomas Campion- arguably at his less profound level than Dowland- was better at being both poet composer of songs. Never the underlay problems such as found in so many of

[LUTE] Re: Saturday quotes - Dowland's poem

2012-12-15 Thread Dan Winheld
My verse is quite worse, When the lute gut strings feel thirst- Such dry winter air. On 12/15/2012 2:16 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Mistakenly not posted to all: When pondering what lutenists should not Expend the few hours one has got, The writing of verse Seems quite the

[LUTE] Bach Violin Partitas

2012-12-18 Thread Dan Winheld
Dear Collective Ocean of lute wisdom- Can anyone direct me to the most historically authoritative edition of the Bach Violin Partitas? Having mislaid my old version somewhere, I think it would be a good time to go for the best source now available- if there is one with original bowing,

[LUTE] Re: Saturday quotes - Dowland's poem

2012-12-18 Thread Dan Winheld
On 12/15/2012 3:06 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: My verse is quite worse, When the lute gut strings feel thirst- Such dry winter air. On 12/15/2012 2:16 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Mistakenly not posted to all: When pondering what lutenists should not Expend the few hours one

[LUTE] Re: Bach Violin Partitas

2012-12-18 Thread Dan Winheld
Thanks everyone! Just the sources I need. Dan On 12/18/2012 7:36 AM, howard posner wrote: IMSLP has the manuscript in both color (72 MB) and black white (14 MB): http://imslp.org/wiki/6_Violin_Sonatas_and_Partitas,_BWV_1001-1006_(Bach,_Johann_Sebastian) On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:14 AM, Dan

[LUTE] Re: mayan apocalypse

2012-12-20 Thread Dan Winheld
Got it! Thanks for the heads up. You have any more archlutes for sale? Dan On 12/20/2012 8:49 PM, David Tayler wrote: A discussion of the issues surrounding the Mayan Apocalypse specifically for music performers involved in the Historical Performance movement (HIP). http://youtu.be/NYLlQxFP_HM

[LUTE] Re: Fuenllana

2013-01-03 Thread Dan Winheld
But always with the ever present danger of death by hardware or incorrect opinions. We are incredibly lucky that the Handel - Matheson kendo encounter ended the way it did. And the human immune system, getting far more vigorous workouts in those days, is a miraculously wonderful thing. On

[LUTE] Re: my first Weiss concert

2013-01-13 Thread Dan Winheld
About time, dude. Very good, especially live! -Nice selection, too. Weiss' music has such wonderful, forward-energy to it; only Bach's music has the same motion feel. No sea-sickness here. How was lunch? They did feed you, didn't they? Dan On 1/13/2013 6:26 AM, David van Ooijen wrote:

[LUTE] Re: Bad Moment......Magdalena Tomsinska

2013-01-17 Thread Dan Winheld
This email came directly to me, not via the lute list. 2nd oldest scam going, by the way. Magdalena- are you aware of this? Dan On 1/17/2013 6:49 AM, MAGDALENA TOMSINSKA wrote: Hello, I am sorry for reaching you rather too late due to the situation of things right now.My

[LUTE] Re: Bad Moment......Magdalena Tomsinska

2013-01-17 Thread Dan Winheld
: Hi Dan - The lute mail list filters out most things like this .. sending any kind of spam to the list causes me headaches, so I would rather that you didn't do it. You message will be tagged as spam coming from the lute server. Wayne On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh

[LUTE] Re: Bad Moment......The real Magdalena Tomsinska

2013-01-18 Thread Dan Winheld
..Magdalena Tomsinska Hi Dan - If you include the full text of the message, many sites...Maybe just include a one line summary. Wayne On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Dan Winheld [4]dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Wayne- Not sure I fully understand you

[LUTE] Re: 6c stringing?

2013-01-20 Thread Dan Winheld
The use of 8ves on courses 4 - 6 from late 15th to at least mid-16th cent. on lutes and Italian vihuelas/violas is widely confirmed by enough authoritative sources. One or more of the great early German pedagogs (H.Neusidler, Gerle, Judenkoenig) was/were absolutely explicit on this: 1st course

[LUTE] Re: Vihuela stringing - was 6c (lute) stringing?

2013-01-21 Thread Dan Winheld
Dear Martin Martyn- In regard to technique being a factor in controlling the effect of 8ve strings- my personal experience is that the thumb under/inside technique, bringing more finger/thumb surface to bear on the course as a whole the more parallel (even absolute parallel if one wishes)

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Winheld
It's not a guitar anyway- just an ordinary Caledonian Cobza. Paleolithic Pictish cave paintings depict it quite clearly, along with primitive peat fired pot stills. The musical instrument was a developed from paddles used for stirring the mash in the early Uisge Beatha experiments. In

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Winheld
Oh yes- that's a Dean Guitttar. On 1/29/2013 1:16 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: It's not a guitar anyway- just an ordinary Caledonian Cobza. Paleolithic Pictish cave paintings depict it quite clearly, along with primitive peat fired pot stills. The musical instrument was a developed from paddles

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-30 Thread Dan Winheld
Howdy Welcome Martha in but not Washington- boy you picked an embarrassing moment to come knocking at our door. One of our little family altercations getting out of control in the guitarist's pantry. Ron, that's Guittarsnipe language. Don't lets start another one over historic spelling!

[LUTE] Re: lute iconography on the web

2013-01-31 Thread Dan Winheld
David- thanks for the Alfonso Marin's link. The detail from Rutilio Manetti's painting I found very interesting; and leads me back to an earlier Lute List discussion of octave stringing. The picture, dated 1624, shows an 8 course lute (broken single first course) and what appears to me to be

[LUTE] Re: lutes for theatre?

2013-02-07 Thread Dan Winheld
I believe Dan Larson has built just such lutes for Cinema. As I remember, they were much more bullet proof than a real lute, but far, far superior to mere stage crap. Ed Martin can probably tell us more. Dan On 2/7/2013 4:18 AM, wayne cripps wrote: Hi - I regularly get requests from

[LUTE] Re: Origins of bowing.

2013-02-18 Thread Dan Winheld
A Google search would seem to indicate that most internet users would assume you meant a long stick bent by a string and used to fling a projectile. Nonetheless, an interesting question. Actually Bowing does have it's earliest European origin in archery, specifically in late 14th century

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-21 Thread Dan Winheld
Chris- Don't you have to play 13, immediately drop down to 7, THEN jump back upto damp 13 to avoid harmonic confusion? Otherwise, one gets a staccato spot in a bass line- perhaps appropriately in some pieces- but not for a usual note-by-note progress in the bass- one that connects notes Like

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]-KF Harp Strings, Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-23 Thread Dan Winheld
I think there is room for confusion here- Savarez has had two very different sorts of KF string. Up to about .85 mm, it is the clear stuff that looks virtually identical to plain, polished nylon- only much denser, denser than plain gut as well. Don't recall the ratios off hand, but this KF

[LUTE] Re: Lute stolen from Thomas Dunford

2013-03-04 Thread Dan Winheld
The stuff of nightmares. All my sympathy.. On 3/4/2013 1:02 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: The instrument was stolen in Paris (Gare du Nord). It is an 8ch by Paul Thomson. More info here: www.lute-academy.be/docstore/stolen.jpg best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

2013-03-11 Thread Dan Winheld
I'll do it for you in 15 - 20 minutes. Might take an hour to coach you on doing it properly yourself. It's just a matter of repetition practice (like learning to play the lute or some such thing.) I am nowhere near any part of London, somewhat west of that area- just about 20 miles from New

[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Winheld
I think we have to do an intervention. Everyone on the lute list meets at Stuart's house with several miles of guts, a few dozen bare naked lute necks, and several cases of strong IPA. Come Hell or high water, his lute WILL GET FRETTED! And nobody leaves sober. Dan- (fret gut, clippers,

[LUTE] Re: Harp-Lute

2013-04-06 Thread Dan Winheld
I forwarded this to two of my lute students who both have deep harp backgrounds- maybe they will come back with string answers. Oh yes, very lovely! Thank you... Dan On 4/6/2013 1:26 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Round ones... OK. I'm not prepared to give a well-researched answer, mainly because

[LUTE] Re: Satoh - de Visée

2013-04-12 Thread Dan Winheld
They actually look a little TOO white for Savarez KF. They look more like 1st generation Nylgut- but I doubt that he would use that stuff. More likely plain gut? Dan On 4/12/2013 9:43 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: The basses look very white - could they be Savarez KF strings? M To get on or

[LUTE] Re: Classical Guitar Music in Tablature

2013-04-22 Thread Dan Winheld
Hi Edward, Actually, guitarists have been using tab for decades. Upside down Italian, the system use by Luis Milan. Mostly the Blues Folk crowd, and some pop oriented beginning Jazz methods- but I do recall seeing some CG stuff in recent years with parallel tab. versions along with the

[LUTE] Re: Classical Guitar Music in Tablature

2013-04-22 Thread Dan Winheld
, is a fine arpeggio study. You can work out some killer thumb-index drills, thumb out or under with that one. Dan On 4/22/2013 9:33 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Hi Edward, Actually, guitarists have been using tab for decades. Upside down Italian, the system use by Luis Milan. Mostly the Blues Folk crowd

[LUTE] Re: Classical Guitar Music in Tablature

2013-04-23 Thread Dan Winheld
One thing we shouldn't lose sight of here. Like Bruce Lee pointing at the moon and reciting the old Zen wisdom of Do not mistake the finger pointing at the moon for the moon itself, we must likewise keep in mind that we are talking of the re-creation -in sound- of aural documents that were

[LUTE] Re: Classical Guitar Music in Tablature

2013-04-23 Thread Dan Winheld
. New mistakes creep in. Finally the piece gets played- maybe for the first time in 500 years. And in the performance- NEW MISTAKES CREEP IN! (Applause!) On 4/23/2013 11:37 AM, Dan Winheld wrote: One thing we shouldn't lose sight of here. Like Bruce Lee pointing at the moon and reciting the old

[LUTE] Re: Classical Guitar Music in Tablature

2013-04-23 Thread Dan Winheld
in now, and transcribes it yet again- out of notation and into tab. Or the reverse. New mistakes creep in. Finally the piece gets played- maybe for the first time in 500 years. And in the performance- NEW MISTAKES CREEP IN! (Applause!) On 4/23/2013 11:37 AM, Dan Winheld

[LUTE] Re: microtonal guitar

2013-04-25 Thread Dan Winheld
Amazing synchronicity amongst individuals within the same group. I was just given the same link to this player yesterday from a colleague/occasional student - an avant-garde composer performing artist with no connection to lute geekdom- of course he wants one! And this has been up since 2010.

[LUTE] Re: Frank from Milan

2013-05-08 Thread Dan Winheld
For a while (in the Siena book, anyway) Francesco was da Parigi- but in the end just a vacation- Busman's Holiday. And of course, Alberto da Ripa- who stayed in France, but then Francophoned to de Rippe, like Jean Paul Paladin- Had lute, would travel. It can get complicated; Ottaviano dei

[LUTE] Re: Frank from Milan

2013-05-08 Thread Dan Winheld
name manglings is a myth. Every immigrant's name had to be and was matched to the ship's manifest, and any deviation was massively illegal. So any changes people claim were made either at naturalization, or at the passport office in the old country. Cheers, RT On 5/8/2013 12:05 PM, Dan Winheld

[LUTE] Re: Frank from Milan

2013-05-08 Thread Dan Winheld
. He was standing in line behind a man named Goldberg. When they reached the desk, the official assumed he was the man's son. No one argued with him. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Dan Winheld [1]dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: For a while (in the Siena book, anyway) Francesco

[LUTE] Re: The golden rose

2013-06-22 Thread Dan Winheld
This allegorical/symbolic dimension of a Golden Rose Lute as a non-physical spiritual goal is treading enigmatically close to Kakuan's Ten Bulls, a Zen classic by the 12th century Chan Master, Kakuan. It is a series of 10 engravings with text; (based on extending an earlier Taoist work)

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-03 Thread Dan Winheld
The longer this thread continues, the more I feel like I've gone back 45 years in a time machine. This is EXACTLY the situation I encountered as a young Classical guitar student at university all those years ago; and my love of the lute early music only compounded the scorn weirdness

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Dan Winheld
Too bad, he would have been in great company: Last of the Whorehouse Piano Players - a CD of music by Ralph Sutton Jay McShann. I think the young Albeniz had a few gigs in some seedy places as well. On 8/7/2013 11:45 PM, howard posner wrote: On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:28 PM,

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Dan Winheld
On 8/8/2013 9:36 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Having taken these keyboard classes, and speaking as someone with a doctoral degree in historical plucked instruments, (ya know, lute, theorbo, baroque guitar and all that jazz) I can say that the considerable keyboard requirements

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Dan Winheld
Being able to play figures off a baritone clef and transpose down a third while doing so has nothing to do with playing musically, collaboratively and with appropriate ornaments and affect. Yes it does. If you are stopped cold in your tracks by an unfamiliar clef, that will end the

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-12 Thread Dan Winheld
For me, the lute started with the Segovia selection of Six Lute Pieces of the Renaissance that he pilfered from the Oscar Chilesotti transcription- curiously enough already put into octave treble clef guitar notation- and for an E instrument. Then individual movements, some from lute suites,

[LUTE] One more- general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Dan Winheld
/2013 7:40 AM, Dan Winheld wrote: For me, the lute started with the Segovia selection of Six Lute Pieces of the Renaissance that he pilfered from the Oscar Chilesotti transcription- curiously enough already put into octave treble clef guitar notation- and for an E instrument. Then individual

[LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?

2013-08-13 Thread Dan Winheld
Hi Ed- That's right- New York Pro Musica, Noah Greenberg. And those old heavy but cool Passauro (Sp?) lutes. Do you know if there are any vids of him playing? Or even still pictures somewhere? Even some ex- student's description would help. I have largely gone over to thumb-out myself- HIP

[LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?

2013-08-13 Thread Dan Winheld
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Winheld [dwinh...@lmi.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:35 AM To: Edward Mast Cc: 'lute' Subject: [LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play? Hi Ed- That's right- New York Pro Musica, Noah Greenberg. And those old heavy but cool Passauro

[LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?

2013-08-13 Thread Dan Winheld
, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu To: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net; Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Cc: 'lute' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:49 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play? Hi Dan I have a picture of Iadone from an old string packet. I know how misleading

[LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?

2013-08-13 Thread Dan Winheld
.jpg Bill From: Dan Winheld [2]dwinh...@lmi.net To: Edward Mast [3]nedma...@aol.com Cc: 'lute' [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 16:35 Subject: [LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play? Hi Ed- That's right- New York Pro Musica, Noah Greenberg. And those old

[LUTE] Re: Hindemith lute concerto

2013-08-22 Thread Dan Winheld
No new light on this elusive lute concerto, but there was a dark, Kurt Weill-meets-Peter Schickele side to Hindemith that I never knew existed. NY Times article about his pre-war send-up caricatures of Wagner. (And the famous picture of Joe the Collegium.)

[LUTE] Re: Double wide spacing for polyphony

2013-08-23 Thread Dan Winheld
Very interesting. Spent some time drooling over the flickrpics you so kindly provided. Magnificent- beautiful, perfectly proportioned; string spacing doesn't appear unnaturally wide. 65 cm SL is a perfect length (to my predilection vis-a-vis hands, body size, pitch) the apparent distances all

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Dan Winheld
Franz; Very well reasoned eloquently written response- you have made me quite curious to see try one of these things out. I have an instrument of my own that fits no historical classification but provides an alternative tone color; a seven string steel-string guitar acquired cheaply on a

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Dan Winheld
, at 11:36 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: One more thought/question regarding the Liuto Forte; it seems that there is/has been a trend for more single-strung archthings these days; I tried one once- tension felt pretty tight, and the string spacing rather wide. H!?! On 8/23/2013 10:29 AM

[LUTE] Re: lutes for sale!

2013-09-08 Thread Dan Winheld
I'd buy a new Mac or a new software program in a heartbeat if it came with a new Martin Shepherd lute. On 9/8/2013 4:29 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: Sorry!!! Obviously meant as a response to Ed's Django question, not a way to simulate one of Martin's fine instruments on a mac On Sep 8, 2013, at

[LUTE] Re: chord fingering

2013-09-09 Thread Dan Winheld
Bill's got it. Adrien le Roy makes it Kosher- but I would do it anyway. Exceptions are the very rare wide, blocky finger tips that can actually cover both courses (FOUR strings!) on the end. When Joseph Iadone's name came up a few weeks ago, someone said that he had such fingers could nail

[LUTE] Re: chord fingering

2013-09-09 Thread Dan Winheld
-large fingers fingers that came with this ordinary production model lutenist. Dan On 9/9/2013 8:29 AM, Dan Winheld wrote: Bill's got it. Adrien le Roy makes it Kosher- but I would do it anyway. Exceptions are the very rare wide, blocky finger tips that can actually cover both courses (FOUR

[LUTE] Re: chord fingering

2013-09-09 Thread Dan Winheld
Excellent! Thank you, Martin. Yes, those are two good ones. I can do them- but the first chord, a-minor, is a tad shaky. Wouldn't try it in performance! The B-flat major chord is actually a lot easier for me; partial barre w/ last joint of 2nd finger, 3rd finger for the 3rd course f fret, then

[LUTE] Re: Early ornamentation

2013-09-21 Thread Dan Winheld
Capirola himself is the source of Capirola's ornaments. Two dots ABOVE the tab cipher (not the finger dots below) means a simple mordent- quick pull off to note below hammer back on. A ghost cipher made up of dots indicates the opposite- hammer on to the dot-cipher from the main note followed

[LUTE] Re: Early ornamentation

2013-09-21 Thread Dan Winheld
level of ornaments, the music sounds very bare without them. Best wishes, Martin On 21/09/2013 17:33, William Samson wrote: Thank you Dan. That's a great help. Bill From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Dan Winheld
Monica, Stephen, et al- I also remember the English (tenative?) translation of the Bermudo panezuelo- seems like it would have to be some sort of movable/removable nut, stopping the strings from below as opposed to our modern capos; which presumably would not have worked too well without

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Dan Winheld
: On 25/09/13 3:34 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Polar opposite to Jazz electric guitarists, who seemed to me to avoid open strings as much as possible. Joe Pass in one of his video lessons gives the advice to avoid keys with too many many open strings: all those droning

[LUTE] Re: Capo use on early instruments

2013-09-25 Thread Dan Winheld
Another good point- the only lute for which I built my own capo (pain in the butt piece of fussy work) was a 72 cm SL Division bass lute that worked very well as an E lute (a-415 or 440) with a generous 10 fret neck, and narrow-ish sloping shoulders at the neck-body joint. But, in order to

[LUTE] Re: Indian 'English' guitar music from Calcutta, 1789

2013-09-26 Thread Dan Winheld
Panormo guitars were exported to the Indian market (designed for the climate) but there must probably have been earlier forms of guitar present too. And later forms as well- an example of what this has led to can be learned by checking out Debashish Battacharya:

[LUTE] Re: Garden Music

2013-10-02 Thread Dan Winheld
University Press Books. Light refreshments will be served, donations accepted! Dan Winheld, lute; in a program featuring Hans Melchior Neusidler, John Dowland, and Astor Piazzolla. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Thigh support for theorbo

2013-10-03 Thread Dan Winheld
For the upright, almost vertical position check out the Pipa player's technique. I have NEVER seen them held horizontally- and those are not excessively large lutes. Having played the viola da gamba quite seriously years ago, I can attest to the great ease of long stretches on a vertically

[LUTE] Re: Thigh support for theorbo

2013-10-04 Thread Dan Winheld
/justin/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/biwa_g_main.jpg the Vietnamese tỳ bà appears to be held at a 45 degree angle... Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 4 Oct, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: For the upright, almost vertical position check out the Pipa

[LUTE] Re: Thigh support for theorbo

2013-10-04 Thread Dan Winheld
If you remove the neck with its extension and jam it through the rose, you can rig a sail on the thing and go boating on the bay. One gentleman who used to play a gigantic theorbo here had an instrument that would have floated at least three medium size lutenists and their lunch comfortably.

[LUTE] Re: Re;: help on tuning

2013-10-10 Thread Dan Winheld
Tom - I have a very similar set-up, and I can assure you that for long-distance, non-hands on stringing help Chris Hendriksen is the best; (I have used him for decades) but in the end each individual has to make the final tweaks adjustments that work- and they may be a little off from any

[LUTE] Re: Superfluous movement in fourth LH finger.

2013-10-17 Thread Dan Winheld
The only long-distance aspect of this I could address would be to ask you is whether or not you are pro-actively tensing the extensor muscles in the back of your left forearm in an unnecessary effort to get fingers off the string as fast as possible, in order to move around the fingerboard in

[LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes

2013-10-18 Thread Dan Winheld
No personal experience with Edlinger copies, but if he was good enough for Weiss, he ought to be a good enough model for anyone- luthier lutenist these days. Of course your builder could be nervous the 1st time around with a new body style. Is he/she on good enough terms with other luthiers

[LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes

2013-10-18 Thread Dan Winheld
Oops! I just saw that you said theorbo -forget everything I just wrote. No experience these things! On 10/18/2013 12:04 PM, BENJAMIN NARVEY wrote: Dear All, I am getting a small theorbo made after Edlinger, but my lute maker feels the model is excessively thin; she is worried

[LUTE] Re: Capo and meantone

2013-10-29 Thread Dan Winheld
, I should think a capo --in theory, anyway-- could work at most any fret; just adjust your frets accordingly in The Pattern. (You'll miss out on that tastino goodness unless you can fashion one to stick down where you need it but I think Dan Winheld had a trick for that, too) You'll move fewer

[LUTE] Re: Capo and meantone

2013-10-29 Thread Dan Winheld
to gently try out the frets. Dan On 10/29/2013 7:02 PM, Sean Smith wrote: Dan, I was referring to a fletching adhesive that I think you suggested for a tastino. Ring a bell ...perhaps with pure overtones? On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: No tricks. Just

[LUTE] Best body fret material?

2013-10-29 Thread Dan Winheld
Talk of tastini has gotten me wondering, what is the best material for body frets? I have been playing a lot of music recently that dances around in the lute's stratosphere- Melchior Neusidler, Mudarra, Milan's advanced fantasias, etc. The plain wooden frets I have now- probably Maple, maybe

[LUTE] Re: Best body fret material?

2013-10-30 Thread Dan Winheld
On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Dan Winheld [2]dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Talk of tastini has gotten me wondering, what is the best material for body frets? I have been playing a lot of music recently that dances around in the lute's stratosphere- Melchior Neusidler, Mudarra, Milan's

[LUTE] Re: Best body fret material?

2013-10-31 Thread Dan Winheld
at planting their LH finger in just the right spot. Bill From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: Cc: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2013, 18:24 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Best body fret material? Thanks all for the great replies. Lilac? That is the most

[LUTE] Re: My tiny little Hendrix ...

2013-11-01 Thread Dan Winheld
Very cool, Arto! Keep exploring, do more- it keeps us alive. Dan On 11/1/2013 4:05 PM, Arto Wikla wrote: .. just in case there is any interest, my just a tiny little modest try in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFN2nc9B0lcfeature=youtu.be best, Arto To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Lutes in the Garden, episode. V

2013-11-07 Thread Dan Winheld
Garden Music University Press Books and The Musical Offering CD Shop invite you to an hour of music and hospitality. Appearing on November 9th, from 4:00-5:00 pm: Dan

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-06 Thread Dan Winheld
Howard, Come over to my place sometime (I will NEVER perform this in public!) and I will play the Villa-Lobos Etude No. 1 on my 8 course. I can do it w/ 3rd course at a or b-flat. Kick ass workout for thumb-index technique; either thumb inside or out. And I have had a few master classes with

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