Re: Thanks all - Fretting over frets

2003-10-04 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Jon, Tied frets, especially double strand gut frets, provided they are tied and positioned correctly rarely need adjusting. They do need replacing once in a while - I tend to replace the lower ones on my instruments about once in a year or 18 months. They give you the flexibility to make

Re: Pain ...

2003-10-05 Thread Denys Stephens
: Timothy Motz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute net [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Pain ... I'm in my early 50s, with about 30 years of desk-bound work behind me, and I've been taking lute

The cost of lute music

2003-10-12 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, Recent mailings to the list have set me thinking about the cost of lute = music. In my experience it's always been expensive - my copy of Diana Poulton's Dowland edition cost the equivalent of my two weeks wages when it was published. I didn't resent it at the time - it was incredible to

Re: fret diameters

2003-10-19 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Sean, I used gut double frets on my lutes for years - they do buzz a bit for the first few days but that stops when they are bedded down and after that they wear a lot longer and stay in position better than single strand frets. I find the double strand knot easier to tie and have less

Re: fret diameters

2003-10-19 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Vance, I am glad too to see this high resolution image of the Holbein lute. As lots of people on the list will know, this is a detail from the much larger painting known as the The Ambassadors which is a double portrait of Georges de Selve (bishop of Lavaur) and Jean de Dinteville (French

Re: Le Roy

2003-11-04 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Craig, CNRS have published Oeuvres D'Adrian Le Roy - Les Instructions Pour Le Luth (1574) in two volumes. The first contains a modern edition (with some facsimilies from the original) of the 1574 English edition of A briefe and plaine Instruction to set all musicke of eight divers tunes in

Re: Purpose of veneer.

2003-11-08 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Vance Marcus, I kept an e mail of Stephen Barber's concerning the Hever Castle lutes - three of them were authentic ivory bodied historical instruments - the Magno Dieffopruchar 6 course now in the Beare collection in London, a Joachim Tielke of 1696 now in the GNM Nurnberg and an Andreas

Re: Help with Dalza

2003-11-10 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Martin, It's good to hear that you are working on your article on Dalza - I'll look forward to reading it! When I was looking at the same territory I made a note of the entry against Calata by Daniel Heartz in the New Grove which reads as follows: Calata - the name may be derived from the

Re: Dalza

2003-11-13 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Pietro, The only edtion of Dalza in staff notation that I know of was published in a series of books edited by Helmut Monkemeyer (Friedrich Hofmeister Hofheim Am Taunus) in 1967. They may still be obtainable. I have not heard of an online digital edition. I am sure that you must be aware of

Re: ivory in lutes

2003-11-28 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Vance, It seems very plausible that ivory lutes were built for wealthy players, but surely those that survive don't suggest that they were inferior instruments? The only two six course lutes with their original necks and pegboxes, the Beare collection Magno Dieffopruchar and the Vienna Georg

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-30 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Michael, I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy to prevent those of us with an interest in original sources of music to obtain copies. I don't have a vast experience of this, but I have not failed so far to obtain either a microfilm or print of unpublished sources that I have been

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-02 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Michael, I'm sure your heart is in the right place with this, but I suspect that you have not really thought it through. Setting aside the legalities for a moment, which I am sure others on the list will tell you about, why not try going through the motions of being a publisher yourself?

Re: Lute Questions

2003-12-02 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Rainer, From your comments re: Spanish sources you are clearly aware of the references to thumb out in the vihuela literature but other readers of the list may not know this so well. The best source of information on right hand technique that I know of is Paul Beier's Right Hand Position in

Re: from rec.mus.classical

2003-12-13 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Roman Edward, That must surely be a copy each of both the Bossinensis volumes bound together. HM Brown lists only one other copy of the 1511 volume so this seems to bring the known surviving copies up to two, unless anyone knows of any others that Brown missed. If there are unrecorded copies

Re: (serious/popular)

2003-12-14 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Peter, You wrote: If we have a look on 16th century lute tablatures, it is also obvious, that some musicians published only 'serious/highbrow' music. Look at for example the editions of Francesco da Milano or Bakfark: Only 'serious/highbrow' music like fantasies and

Re: Names of composers (Was: Vihuela)

2003-12-16 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Stewart all, It's always been my understanding that cifra is very much a standard form of notation for flamenco players. A relative of mine was for many years a close friend of Pepe Martinez who was one of the great flamenco guitarists of the last century. I have seen examples of his cifras,

Re: The ecological sustainable lute luthier

2003-12-18 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Tim, You wrote: Personally, I've wondered whether the increasing number of ribs on lutes as you move into the 17th century is a sign that luthiers were running out of easy-to-obtain yew in large slabs. If not, it would have been a tremendous waste of wood to cut such narrow ribs to get

Re: Do pegs get smooth and begin slipping?

2004-02-13 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Jon all, This is way off topic, but in view of the potential danger to anyone who gets the wrong idea I thought it worth responding to your mailing. In my line of business (architectural technology) we have to keep up to speed with dangerous materials found in buildings. Asbestosis is the

Re: LSA Seminar fret question

2004-04-11 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Sean, I used double strand frets on my lutes for years - they do buzz a bit when they are new and in my experience there is no trick in the tying to stop that. After playing for a while the double strands bed in - get flattened slightly at the points where the strings touch - and then they

Re: Nylgut

2004-05-23 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Stephen, I have been using Nylgut strings on both of my 6 course lutes for about 2 years (still the first set on both so far!). I have plain nylgut down to the fourth course and octaves on the 5th 6th with Pyramid basses. Both instruments are played very regularly (most days). I find the

Re: Tablature rhythm signs

2004-06-09 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Stewart, I'm sure that you are right about this. Just a couple of ideas that occurred to me from my own study of Dalza Petrucci: We can't be sure of what Dalza's manuscript looked like, so what we see in the book is Petrucci's setting of the music, following conventions already established

Re: R: Manuscript of Per Brahe - music of the spheres

2004-06-13 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, Re: music and astronomy: How sweet the moonlight sleeps upon this bank! Here will we sit and let the sounds of music Creep in our ears; soft stillness and the night Become the touches of sweet harmony. Sit, Jessica. Look how the floor of heaven Is thick inlaid with patines of bright

Re: Galileo's lute was: [Manuscript of Per Brahe - Skokloster]

2004-06-13 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Goran, The best known story about a lyre in the shape of a horse's head is the one made by Leonardo da Vinci which is recorded in his Life by Vasari. I have never heard of anything similar connected with Galileo and suspect this is a mis-attribution. Best wishes, Denys - Original

Re: Bottegari

2004-06-15 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Thomas, Elias all, I think Thomas is right that the emergence of continuo accompanied lute song in the later 16c is much better documented than what happened earlier. But that is not to say that there was no singing to the lute in the early 16th century! My belief is that the extant examples

Re: Englands lute history in 20th century rock.

2004-06-17 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Herbert, Howard all, My own recollection is that popular music was rather less compartmentalised in England in the late 60's and 70's than it is now. The guitarists John Renbourn and Bert Jansch both knew and recorded lute pieces on the guitar, and they were both well known in the pop arena

Re: pesaro etc

2004-07-19 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Tadeusz, I don't know of any transcriptions from the Pesaro ms that are downloadable from the net. There is a complete modern edition of the manuscript edited by Vladimir Ivanoff (Edition der Handschrift Pesaro, Biblioteca Oliveriana, Ms. 1144, Munchner Editionen zur Musikgeschichte 7,

Re: Thibault MS

2004-07-19 Thread Denys Stephens
- Original Message - From: Alain Veylit [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Thibault MS Hector Sequera at the University of North Texas is writing his thesis on this MS and working on transcriptions

Re: Sorry, help me....what to buy????

2004-07-21 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Jon Tim, I too would be daunted at the prospect of trying to build a lute back, but I have built the RWC cittern and found the pre-shaping of parts and general content of the kit much easier than trying to gather together the necessary materials myself. I understand that they will build any

Re: Sorry, help me....what to buy????

2004-07-22 Thread Denys Stephens
, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: Timothy Motz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Sorry, help mewhat to buy Denys, I would agree that a stage somewhere

Re: Imitations

2004-07-27 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Tom, The thing to do, as you have already noticed, is to use your ears - in learning a new piece you need to explore the way the voices work for you and bring it out in your performance. We don't have Francesco's works in mensural notation except in modern editions - which are an editor's

Re: Pronunciation and meaning

2004-08-01 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Craig, In his famous edition of Capirola Otto Gombosi writes: The writer of a ricercar wants to look up again something he had before. This something obviously is the beginning of some musical piece played before. The recercar is played after a composition - also before a composition, in

Tone colour (was imitations)

2004-08-08 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, Tom's question touches on an issue that I have been wondering about for some time: when I play the guitar, one of the great joys is finding fingering to = fit the piece I'm studying. That's something I really miss, experimenting around till=20 just the right sound emerges, and a

Re: Lute on Open Air Festival 2

2004-08-28 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, Alain wrote: This is the paradox: we love HIP and the lute in part because they are = new=20 and therefore exciting. The big question is: how will we keep it = exciting,=20 for ourselves and those who will come after us? I very much share Alain's interest in this question. It's easy

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-15 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, I think Roman's suggestion does make sense - Stephen Barber, who has detailed first hand knowledge of the Dias instrument has shown that its present soundboard dates from the early 18th century which is unequivocal proof of significant work being carried out to the instrument long

Re: Songs by A.Schlick?

2004-09-28 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Arto, The book is a print entitled Tabulaturen etlicher Lobgesang by Arnolt Schlick, published in 1512 and containing German keyboard tablature and lute songs set in mensural notation with German lute tablature. (Brown 1512 / 1). There is a nice facsimile published by Tree Edition which was

Re: Attaingnant and Siena

2004-10-05 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Stewart, Daniel Heart includes a quite lengthy discussion of this piece in his edition of Attaignant where he compares it with Francesco da Milano's fantasia on f. 62 of the Casteliono Lute book (Ness 24), not suggesting that it's the same composition, but noting similarities and speculating

Re: Practice Habits

2004-10-19 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Chris All, It's a slightly different use of the computer to Stephen's, but I often use the midi output from Stringwalker or Fronimo to play along with to practice duets and song accompaniments. The sound is of course mechanically precise, much like using a metronome except with music

Re: Hinge bar

2004-10-31 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, For years I have thought of a hinge bar as the use of the top joint of the index finger (or sometimes second finger) to stop two or more inner courses (e.g. 2nd 3rd) whilst leaving the first string open - the finger is bent, hence the term hinge. Also, sometimes one has occasion to lift

Re: vihuela in London

2004-12-01 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Ariel, I am visiting London at the weekend and plan to be at your recital. I read that you will be playing one of the new Stephen Barber / Sandi Harris evolution versions of the Chambure instrument in a' - I saw the first of these nearing completion back in August and played one of their

Re: Instrument Sounding

2004-12-20 Thread Denys Stephens
that's how it works! I will go back and read Ronn's notes again Thanks best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: James A Stimson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Instrument Sounding Dear Denys

Re: left hand thumb to stop bass notes

2005-02-14 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, I did some research on this several years ago and subsequently wrote an article for the Lute Society which goes into the issue in too much length to reproduce here. However, the first paragraph might help to support the view that the left thumb was used to stop basses on 6 course lutes:

Re: Antwort: left hand thumb to stop bass notes

2005-02-14 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Vance, Forgive me for challenging you on this, but it's my understanding that the lute typically in use for the greater part of the 16th century was a 6 course instrument, and that the few surviving original necks are narrow (e.g. Gerle Magno Dieffopruchar). Using left hand thumb stopping of

Re: Antwort: left hand thumb to stop bass notes

2005-02-15 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear David, As far as I am aware, the only painting showing fret knots in the middle of a neck is not of a lute but a mandora - nonetheless it is an interesting bit of evidence. What seems more significant to me is that on the famous Holbein Ambassadors lute the fret knots (in the normal position)

Re: Period typesetting

2005-03-02 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Mathias, I find the craft of printing fascinating too. I became interested whilst researching on Petrucci Dalza - the result of that is to be published by the Lute Society sometime. There is a small but very useful book published by the British Library called Four Hundred years of Music

Re: Printing and Binding

2005-03-27 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Charles, Years ago I used to buy music manuscript paper, hand rule an extra line on each stave and bind the pages into a hard covered manuscript book. I then copied each piece by hand into it as I learned it - I liked the sense of connection it gave me with our historical predecessors. I

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Denys Stephens
their music and uninspiring ones from guitarists playing from memory. And vice-versa in equal measure! Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Joseph Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Denys Stephens
that you are too much of a gentleman to do that :-) Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Joseph Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: Re: memorization Dear Denys Thank

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Michael, You wrote: I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper professional stage presence to not be staring at their music all the time. This might give them more appeal to the general concert going public, and more acceptance

Re: Amy Souffres

2005-05-11 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Gary, I too have heard performances with two verses of this song but only have the words to one: Amy, souffres que je vous ayme Et ne me tenes la rigueur De me dire que vostre cueur Porte pour moy douleur extreme. This is from the Daniel Heartz edition of the Attaignant Preludes, Chansons

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Vance, I can see that you are looking for what might have been an interesting analogy here, but the situation with Greek columns is not quite the same as the issue with lutes. As I understand it classical columns do have bilateral symetery but their shape from top to bottom is slightly

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-30 Thread Denys Stephens
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Mudarra's bordon Dear Michael, Dalza uses a tuning where both the fifth and sixth courses are tuned a tone lower than normal - see folio 27v of his book where the instructions are included

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-30 Thread Denys Stephens
, Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denys and Michael-- Miles Dempster's complete edition of Capirola successfully notates the split third course. Interesting effect. It's possible to rewrite the tablature to play all the necessary notes without splitting, but the acoustic

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-31 Thread Denys Stephens
wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:58 AM Subject: Re: Mudarra's bordon Dear Michael, I understand why you are confused now! You are not looking

Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc.

2005-06-05 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, I am sure Arthur will remember this, but it may be of interest to others that that this inaccuracy in the tuning instructions for the Judentanz led to one of the great faux pas of lute musicology. Many years ago the eminent musicologist Willi Apel took the instructions at face value and

Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc.

2005-06-06 Thread Denys Stephens
it should be perhaps with greater trepidation. I am delighted to think that at least someone made a fortune from writing about music! Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent

Re: Dalsa translation

2005-06-11 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Michael, You can find a good summary of the rules for those who can't sing online at: http://www.library.appstate.edu/music/lute/spi1507a.html You will see that this refers to the first of Petrucci's lute books by Francesco Spinacino, but the content of the rules is the same in Dalza. In

Re: Built-in action?

2005-06-15 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Herbert, I think there is a lot more to the set up of the action on a fine instrument than just the distance between the frets and the strings - like the angle of the neck, the height of the nut bridge, string type, string tension and so on. On a good instrument all you should ever need to

Re: anyone contact Stewart McCoy?

2005-07-15 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Wayne, Stewart is away in Austria at the moment, so I guess his mailbox must be full. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Wayne Cripps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: anyone contact Stewart McCoy? Hi

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] recercar marco dall´aquila

2005-08-17 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Wolfgang, I have been working with John Robinson, and with some extremely helpful input from Stewart McCoy, on British Library Additional Manuscript 31389 for several years. We are preparing a modern edition of the manuscript for publication by the Lute Society - we have an advanced full

[LUTE] Re: to Matanya Ophee

2005-08-27 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear James, I understand and sympathise with your views on this, but I agree with Wayne and Alain. The sad thing about this is that Matanya is a long standing and intelligent member of the guitar community. In an ideal world it should be quite possible for people with diametrically opposed views

[LUTE] Re: to Matanya Ophee

2005-08-27 Thread Denys Stephens
the integrity of what is such a useful resource for all of us. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: to Matanya Ophee Dear Denys; In the US freedom

[LUTE] Re: Jon Banks and lute ensembles

2005-10-09 Thread Denys Stephens
throughout the book - a very civilised arrangement. It would have been a great loss to the English speaking lute fraternity if the scholarship contained in it had not been readily accessible. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens

[LUTE] Re: Sir Francis Hubert book, too...

2005-11-01 Thread Denys Stephens
a major role in bringing the existence of this lute music to the attention of the lute world and its availability now is very much due to his efforts. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor, Music Editions, The Lute Society. - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla [EMAIL

[LUTE] Re: Repetitive Stress Syndrome

2005-11-03 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Craig, This sounds like the sort of problem that would be helped by the Alexander Technique - a method which you can learn that re-introduces a natural state of balance into use of the body and so can eliminate the excess muscle tension that can cause the kind of pain you describe. Although

[LUTE] Re: Doubts over the additional 'peghole'

2005-11-04 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Monica All, I'm not sure if this is really a mailing from the vihuela list that's escaped the net and thus off topic here, but for anyone that's interested there is very compelling evidence that the Dias guitar was not and is not a 6 course vihuela on Stephen Barber Sandi Harris' website

[LUTE] Re: Repetitive Stress Syndrome

2005-11-05 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Vance, What you are saying would be good advice for someone with good kinaesthetic awareness, so it's not wrong and I'm sure it worked for you. But one of FM Alexander's discoveries was that the kinaesthetic sense that tells us what's going on in our body can be numbed by excess tension.

[LUTE] Re: Repetitive Stress Syndrome

2005-11-05 Thread Denys Stephens
about it in other areas to be critical. I would recomend it to anyone who has the opportunity to access a good teacher. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:45 AM Subject

[LUTE] Re: pre-Attaignant Sermisy

2005-11-20 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Eric, That's in interesting question! I am very interested in the early 16c repertoire and am also a great fan of Claudin - in general terms I would second Sean's opinion: you don't find that kind of music in the very early lute manuscripts - principally Pesaro, Thibault Capirola. In British

[LUTE] Re: pre-Attaignant Sermisy recap

2005-11-21 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Eric, There is another factor in this discussion that might make your hypothesis difficult to explore, and that is the developing popularity of music making by amateurs in the early 16c. Castiglione in his Il libro del Cortegiano makes it clear in the discussion of music it contains that it

[LUTE] Re: Sound vs sturdiness trade-off.

2005-12-22 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Herbert, The idea that the lighter you could make a lute, the better it would be was quite common in the late 1970's. I remember seeing very fragile lutes that were built with very thin soundboards - they often had either a slight S bend in the table around the bridge or had very stiff

[LUTE] Re: Sound vs sturdiness trade-off.

2005-12-22 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Herbert, That's a good question! I think the key point here is that we are talking about small thicknesses and a long period of time. The maximum loss of thickness we could be thinking of here would perhaps be around 1mm. Lute bellies are not heavily varnished and so attract grime. It would

[LUTE] Re: Sound vs sturdiness trade-off.

2005-12-23 Thread Denys Stephens
that they mature after that is an added bonus. It's intriguing to imagine what the best lutes of our time will sound like in a hundred years or so Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED

[LUTE] Re: surrogate lute

2006-02-12 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Wayne, I too have been thinking along the same lines recently - sometimes it's too risky to take a lute on holiday, but I hate to arrive somewhere to relax and not have an instrument to play. In the absence of a cheap commercial travel lute there seems no alternative to a travel guitar. I

[LUTE] Re:

2006-03-11 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Arne, Most of the points you have asked about relate to the Pesaro Manuscript (Biblioteca Oliveriana, Pesaro, Ms. 1144) There is a rather fine facsimile with a study by Crawford Young in Frühe Lautentabulaturen im Faksimile / Early Lute Tablatures in Facsimile, published by Amadeus Verlag,

[LUTE] Re: Tinctoris

2006-03-13 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Leonard, Sean all, Concerning detuning the 5th course on a 5 course lute - this made me think of Dalza's pieces which require lowering both the fifth and sixth courses by a tone (the Pavana alla Ferrarese group starting on f.27v). It has never occured to me to think of it this way before,

[LUTE] Re: I saw my lady weep

2006-03-17 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, I think it's necessary to look at the song as a whole - the conceit is that music is personified here as my lady and Dowland is exploring the paradox of sadness being made beautiful in musical art. The song is almost sonnet like in its structure and negotiates a very difficult about turn

[LUTE] Re: Heretical Thinking vis a vis Lutes

2006-03-26 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Rob, If you are new to the list you will have missed an interesting discussion on soundboard thicknesses on the list a few months ago - you should be able to find it in the archives. I feel that heretical thinking is a good thing! It keeps us thinking and challenging received opinions, which

[LUTE] Re: Heretical Thinking vis a vis Lutes

2006-03-26 Thread Denys Stephens
, Denys - Original Message - From: Rob Dorsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Denys Stephens' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Heretical Thinking vis a vis Lutes Denys, Actually some of the rant is moot as I am not performing now and may

[LUTE] Re: HBO Movie Elizabeth I

2006-04-25 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, I too watched the Helen Mirren / Jeremy Irons rendition of the latter years of Elizabeth's reign (entitled 'Elizabeth 1' ) when it was screened in the UK last year and found much to enjoy in it, although it's always a disappointment that in present day productions it is considered

[LUTE] Re: Lute on ebay germany

2006-04-27 Thread Denys Stephens
It looks identical to the instruments offered by the UK Early Music Shop - available ready made or as a kit. Particularly the rose design and the striped back. The current price in the UK is £ 497.45 - one of the least expensive instruments currently available. I have never played one, so I can't

[LUTE] Re: Body pain (was Re: lute straps)

2006-05-04 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, Long term readers of the list will have seen my past mailings on lute playing and the Alexander Technique so I will make this one short. For many of us engaging in physical activities like playing the lute can inadvertently involve excess muscle tension and poor posture - both of these

[LUTE] Re: lute straps

2006-05-06 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Martin, Thanks for two very interesting mailings - I very much agree with what you say in both of them. There is plenty of evidence from the sixteenth century to lend further support to your point of view. Dinko Fabris writes in relation to the rules from the Capirola Lute book: Another

[LUTE] Re: Der Juden Tanz - Neusiedler

2006-06-12 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Sandy, For the full story on this you need to read Michael Morrow's article 'Ayre on the F sharp string' in the Lute Society Journal of 1960. The piece requires re-tuning the lute (5 courses) to give a tuning suitable for a drone accompaniment of a melody. Newsidler gives precise instructions

[LUTE] Re: Der Juden Tanz - Neusiedler

2006-06-13 Thread Denys Stephens
? Or music generally? It's rather sad that such a small error in the original might have led to quite another interpretation in the 20th century. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute

[LUTE] Re: Right hand

2006-07-06 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Bruno, I think what's being described in that passage is no more than the natural movement of closing the hand. If you close your hand to make a fist, the tip joints start to bend inwards towards the end of the movement, but they stay relaxed within the earlier stages of the closing movement

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Phalèse's bookshelf

2006-07-23 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Arthur, Many thanks for this posting - it's really useful information that I will keep and refer to in future. Concerning the pieces you think are by Giovan Maria, is that an intuitive guess, or is there evidence that suggests his authorship? I would be most interested to know. Best wishes,

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Phalèse's bookshelf

2006-07-23 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear David, I have read everything I could find over the years on Renaissance lute music, and I don't recollect having seen a study of the sort you describe, although I imagine there is much that I have missed. I think it would be a very interesting area to investigate, regardless of what's been

[LUTE] Re: Castiglione and the lute

2006-08-04 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, Concerning the famous passage from The Book of the Courtier :- I have pasted a copy of the English translation by Sir Thomas Hoby of 1561 below. Hoby spent a number of years living in Italy, and presumably brought some understanding of contemporary Italian to his translation of

[LUTE] Re: OT: list of visual artists also active as professional or competent amateur musicians/composers

2006-09-01 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Roman, Three that immediately spring to mind: Giorgione was a fine lute player according to Vasari, and Vasari also writes about Leonardo playing the lyre. In the 20th century the painter Robert Bouchet both played and built guitars. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From:

[LUTE] Re: Scarboro Fair

2006-09-10 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, I have on my desk at the moment the final draft of a forthcoming Lute Society edition of 19 English Folk Songs, arranged for voice and renaissance lute by Chris Goodwin, which contains a nice setting of 'Scarborough Fair.' It will be available from the Lute Society very soon. Best

[LUTE] Re: There is thy Sting

2006-10-14 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Mark, Re your comment: 2. Sorry but how ever quaint, Dowlands songs were not designed for singers sitting around a table. This was a way to publish Dowlands songs, as we now have songbooks for Metallica. But it does not mean that metallica sit playing their songs from music stands on

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]

2006-10-20 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Kay, If you are looking for beautiful lutes try Stephen Barber and Sandi Harris at www.lutesandguitars.co.uk . Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Kay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] I don't

[LUTE] Re: Dalza

2006-10-24 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Peter All, Questions like this send me off to my shelf in search of my copy of Dowland's translation of the 'Micrologus' of Andreas Ornithoparchus, a compendium of music theory originally published in Leipzig in 1517 which Dowland translated and published in 1609. In chapter 5, under the

[LUTE] Re: Dalza

2006-10-25 Thread Denys Stephens
in facsimile since 1980, and Dalza being perhaps the most popular lute composer of his era, the book is still full of unsolved mysteries. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED

[LUTE] Re: Dalza

2006-10-26 Thread Denys Stephens
Barcelona, Manolo Laguillo Denys Stephens wrote: Dear Bernd, Thanks! I think your explanation is very probably the correct one. As you say, much depends on which interpretation of the rules one chooses. Your version, I think, corresponds to what Ornithoparchus / Dowland would have thought

[LUTE] Re: Capirola's Balletto, question 2.

2006-10-30 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Herbert, There is a bit more to be said about Capirola's 'Balleto.' The entry in the index to the manuscript actually reads 'Ti (erased letters) baleto da balar bello.' On folio 19v above the piece itself is the heading 'Ti' also followed by partially erased letters. The reason for the

[LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question

2006-11-15 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Jim, The incontestable reason for the survival of lute tablature is that it was the medium used by historical lutenists to preserve their music. Even today, despite the efforts of editors of lute music throughout the last century, the greater part of the lute repertoire has not been

[LUTE] Re: How does this compare to Vintage Lutes

2007-01-04 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear All, Judging from the talks given by Michael Lowe, Stephen Gottlieb and David Munro given at the Lute Society meeting in November about the restoration of Jacob Linberg's Sixtus Rauwolf lute, the restoration costs alone must have been quite high. There was no mention of cost, but there was

[LUTE] Re: Baghdad Oudists thumb-over

2007-01-28 Thread Denys Stephens
- Original Message - From: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Craig Robert Pierpont [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday

[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices

2007-02-07 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Andrew, Take a look at Ed Durbrow's interview with Paul O'Dette in the September 2004 LSA Quarterly where he confirms he uses Nylgut for performing. I use Nylgut too, and love the sound it makes on my lutes, but I would hate to be taken too seriously. Best wishes, Denys - Original

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