[LUTE] German song questions

Hi all, Some of the easiest pieces in early German tab books are: Hast du mich genommen (Madonna Katerina) and Unsere Koechin kann aus der massen kochen Does anyone have the texts or know more about these songs? (I have the first two volumes of Forster and have looked in

[LUTE] German song questions

Thank you all. After Rainer's mail I was amazed to find Böhme's book on Google books where I could even download a pdf of all 900 pages. The song is listed under "Tanz - und Scherzliedchen". Unsere Köchin kann aus der Masssen kochen wol, Auch das aller beste, was man essen sol,

[LUTE] Re: To repeat or not to repeat

Hi Rainer, I've performed this piece often in the last few years and find it works well and makes sense the way it is. It is not similar to any of the other Milan fantasias, except the pavanas (which he also calls fantasias). He says that fantasia 22 is in the style of these pa

[LUTE] Italian translation help

Hi all, Can anyone help with the following from Borrono's 1548 books? Saltarello detto il Penono Saltarello detto la bella Bianca ha hauto torto Saltarello O chel me tira il brazo (which I've been assuming � has something to do with arm position because all the little partia

[LUTE] Italian translation help

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[LUTE] Borrono-Francesco facsimile

Hi all, Can anyone point me to a facsimile copy of � Brown 1546 (8)? Thanks, Robert Virenfrei. [1]www.avast.com -- References Visible links: 1. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient Hidde

[LUTE] Re: La rocha il fuso

HI Sarge, La conocchia o rocca è uno strumento che in coppia col [1]fuso serve a [2]filare. I'm not really up on "spinning " terminology but apparently the fuso is the spindle and the rocca is the distaff? There are some wonderful early renaissance paintings of ladies spinning

[LUTE] La rocha il fuso

HI Sarge, La conocchia o rocca è uno strumento che in coppia col [1]fuso serve a [2]filare. I'm not really up on "spinning " terminology but apparently the fuso is the spindle and the rocca is the distaff? There are some wonderful early renaissance paintings of ladies spinning

[LUTE] Re: LeRoy guiterre tabs

Dear Leonard, Looking through book one, I think it it quite clear that LeRoy uses the dot just to show that the note is not played with the thumb.  It can apparently mean either the index or middle finger which explains why it sometimes occurs on accented beats. If you look at this way, he is rem

[LUTE] ring finger

Thanks Martin. From: A briefe and plaine instruction 1574 Le Roy https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1176218k/f138.image The sixtene Rule For to plaie fower partes, it is easely to be understande, that the thombe and the three fingers together, serve easely to strike the fower strynges or p

[LUTE] 16th century tuning and stringing

Hello lute friends, How many sources do we have in all of Europe from @1500-1600 that tell exactly how the lute was tuned concerning the octaves on the 4,5 and 6th courses? Thanks, Robert __ [1][avast-mail-st

[LUTE] 16th century tuning and stringing

Thank you all for this so far. I just checked out Barley (1596) which is apparently a revision of the previous English translation of le Roys instructions. It clearly calls for octaves on 4, 5 and 6. So this tuning seems to have been propagated in the tutors in late 16th century Engl

[LUTE] 16th century tuning and stringing

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[LUTE] Re: 16th century tuning and stringing

the sixth string" - when he could easily have said something like "all the basses". I suspect even when he had his 6th course in unison, he had the 7th-9th courses still in octaves (hard to imagine a unison 9th course in gut). Martin On 17/01/2015 01:13,

[LUTE] Spain vs. Italy

Hi all, In the early 1500s, why are dances so common in Italian lute music and so rare in the vihuela rep. ? Thanks -- Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-adm

[LUTE] Vihuela stringing

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[LUTE] Re: Vihuela stringing

Sorry. I didn't see all that stuff was still hanging on my first message of this thread. Please excuse the clutter. -- Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/ind

[LUTE] Re: Vihuela Stringing

It seems we have at least 5 different threads going here under the same heading. I think several are still worth discussing so maybe we could divide them up somehow? 1. split string early 16th century where one fingers only one string of the course but strikes both Capirola etc. 2

[LUTE] Michael Fink's split 4th article

I'm very open to Michael's ideas, but am really not sure about a few things. Could we collectively look at Carlo Cantu playing the guitar (easy to google) and decide whether he is playing a 4 or 5 course guitar? There sure is plenty of space for 10 pegs. If he really split his 4th co

[LUTE] Re: Michael Fink's split 4th article

It's the same thing with the Cellier illustration (search Cellier 4 course guitar pictures). Why split for both hands? It makes no sense if you just want one octave or the other. --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. http://www.avast.com To get on or off

[LUTE] Michael Fink's split 4th article

I'm sorry if I was unclear. What I'm saying is that in both pictures the 4th course is wider for both the right and left hands which does not support Michael's ideas. If you're going to split the course, then only for the right hand. The Cantu picture looks to me like a 5 course with single 4th

[LUTE] Re: 1st inversion F chord - was Re: Michael Fink's split 4th article

Hi Martin and Sean, This is a very pretty little chord. If one uses a rest stroke with the thumb, it is actually easier to play the octave alone on the treble side of the bass. It is also interesting that the same chord would come out if one split the 3rd course. This one sounds a bit full

[LUTE] dedillo

[1]https://youtu.be/Cn6fmQXP2Pc Here is a first attempt at dedillo with one of the Milan Fantasies. __ [2]Avast logo Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprueft. [3]www.avast.com -- Re

[LUTE] Re: dedillo

Thanks for your interest and kind responses. I'm playing on a viola da mano (60cm) by Richard Fletcher with a capo on the second fret. (I have a smaller one on order.) I have a few test videos of dedillo here: https://youtu.be/Oe0TYyR8TM4 and here from a few months ago in a more thumb out ph

[LUTE] Re: dedillo

Hi Martin, I'm not sure how clearly one can see on the videos, but i think I mainly just move the finger leaving the last joint fairly loose. In some situations the thumb can be planted, but sometimes one has to "land" on the thumb to come back up, and then it has to be free. Both thumb out

[LUTE] dedillo vs. figueta

Here are two versions of Milan's Fantasy #10. One with dedillo and one with figueta (p-i thumb under)(Fantasies 10, 11 and 12 are the introductory dedillo pieces if I understand correctly.) There is actually not that much dedillo in this piece. It seems to be an exercise for an irreg

[LUTE] Milan Fantasia 12 with dedillo

[1]https://youtu.be/hilComFz8mM By the way, I think I presented the first dedillo vs. figueta comparison a bit too soon. I've only been trying dedillo for a few months in my spare time and have been doing figueta on and off for more years than I'd care to mention. While comparing tak

[LUTE] Sigismund Weiss C minor concerto Dresden

Hi lutefriends, Does anyone have a digital copy of the facsimile of this? It's the 3rd piece in the unpublished 6th book of Dresden. A friend is looking for it, and my copy seems to be avoiding me in one of the piles of music around here. Many thanks, Robert __

[LUTE] Re: Sigismund Weiss C minor concerto Dresden

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[LUTE] herzlich tut mich verlangen

Hi lutefolks, I'm traveling and forgot to copy this at the last minute. I might want to add it to a program. So that would be from Hundert Geistliche Melodien Esaias Reusner (the Younger) Herzlich tut mich verlangen If anybody has it digitally or can do a quick scan. (it is als

Mistake on Weiss Naxos vol. 6

Dear lute friends, I've just received my copy of Naxos Weiss vol.6. There was apparently a mix-up somewhere along the line and track 10, a C = minor Sarabande, is repeated as track 16, which should be a Bb major = Sarabande. Although some people might not be disturbed, as the C minor Sarabande =

[LUTE-BUILDER] String spacing. Please Help

Dear Juan Fco, I am also curious what builders have to say about the most commonly used RH spacings. My normal spacing is 15.2cm and although I find it on the large side at times, going smaller causes me some problems. (But I've used this spacing for over 20 years) I have a drawing before me ( c

Karl-Ernst Schroeder

Dear all, Thanks to all those who have written concerning Karl-Ernst. Funeral services will be held on Friday, Nov. 14, 14:00, at the Hoernli = cemetery (Chapel #4) in Basel. Robert --

concert in Basel

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trying again

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one last time

Sorry folks, but it got me a personal mail from Wayne. Dear lute friends, For those of you nearby and might not have heard, there will be a concert in memory of Karl-Ernst Schröder tomorrow evening ( Friday, March 12 ) at 19:30 in the Kartäuser Kirche ( near Wettsteinplatz) in Basel. Sorry for t