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On 12/10/16 13:48, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:42:03AM +1100, Allan Duncan wrote:
On my todo list. It happens when I boot after failing to alter fstab
to match the actual disks connected.
it seems to happen at the slightest excuse, whether the machine ends up
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 4:03:27 PM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-main
wrote:
> > The failure modes of SSD are quite different to the failure modes
> > of spinning media. I expect it will be some years before there is
> > adequate research into how SSDs fail and some more years before
> >
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 03:35:34PM +1100, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 2:46:01 PM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-main
> wrote:
> > yes, but you can't pipe `btrfs send` to `zfs recv` and expect to get
> > anything useful. my backup pool is zfs.
>
> In the early days the
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 2:46:01 PM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-main
wrote:
> yes, but you can't pipe `btrfs send` to `zfs recv` and expect to get
> anything useful. my backup pool is zfs.
In the early days the plan was to have btrfs receive not rely on BTRFS, so you
could send a snapshot
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:18:40AM +1100, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 1:31:33 AM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-main
> wrote:
> > the only time i've ever seen something similar was my own stupid
> > fault, i rebooted and just pulled out the old SSD forgetting that I
>
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:42:03AM +1100, Allan Duncan wrote:
> On my todo list. It happens when I boot after failing to alter fstab
> to match the actual disks connected.
it seems to happen at the slightest excuse, whether the machine ends up
booting or not. just what everyone needs, one or
On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 1:31:33 AM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-main
wrote:
> the only time i've ever seen something similar was my own stupid fault,
> i rebooted and just pulled out the old SSD forgetting that I had ZIL
> and L2ARC for the pools on that SSD. I had to plug the old SSD back
On 12/10/16 10:42, Allan Duncan via luv-main wrote:
On 12/10/16 01:31, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
...
it's really annoying to have to wait and watch those damn stars when you
just wnat to get a shell and start investigating & fixing whatever's
gone wrong.
There should be an easy and
On 12/10/16 01:31, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
...
it's really annoying to have to wait and watch those damn stars when you
just wnat to get a shell and start investigating & fixing whatever's
gone wrong.
There should be an easy and obvious way to display those binary logs
from the
> > There should be an easy and obvious way to display those binary logs
> > from the system when it's not running systemd or from another system
> > (IE logs copied from another system).
>
>
After scp'ing the logs to the remote machine:
journalctl --file copied.log
works, assuming it hasn't
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:13:34PM +1100, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 10:30:01 PM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
> > I was rebooting anyway in order to replace a failed SSD on one
> > machine and convert both of them to root on ZFS. It booted up OK on
> >
On 11.10.16 23:09, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 10:49:29 PM AEDT Erik Christiansen via luv-main
> wrote:
> > That attempted diversion doesn't fix systemd. As ConsoleKit is no longer
> > supported, it's irrelevant history - a poor diversion from what you're
> > failing to
On 11.10.16 22:30, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:14:29PM +1100, luv-main@luv.asn.au wrote:
> >
> > +1
>
> -1, actually.
>
> I mostly gave in. I converted two of my home systems to systemd a few days ago
> (including my primary desktop/server machine). I'm hoping
On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 10:30:01 PM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
> I was rebooting anyway in order to replace a failed SSD on one machine and
> convert both of them to root on ZFS. It booted up OK on both, so I made it
> the default. If it refrains from sucking badly enough to
On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 10:49:29 PM AEDT Erik Christiansen via luv-main
wrote:
> That attempted diversion doesn't fix systemd. As ConsoleKit is no longer
> supported, it's irrelevant history - a poor diversion from what you're
> failing to rationally defend.
It's no longer supported because
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 09:29:37PM +1100, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 8:14:29 PM AEDT Erik Christiansen via luv-main
> wrote:
> > (Though I'm not sure that systemd's rapacious appetite for
> > monolithic hegemony does a lot more than stultify its own
> > development.
On 11.10.16 21:29, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 8:14:29 PM AEDT Erik Christiansen via luv-main
> wrote:
> > (Though I'm not sure that systemd's rapacious appetite for monolithic
> > hegemony does a lot more than stultify its own development. In any
> > ecological niche, more
On 11/10/16 20:14, Erik Christiansen via luv-main wrote:
...
The coming and passing of systemd will in hindsight be seen as a storm
in a teacup, I suspect. (Not comparable with the couple of hours after
noon on Sunday, here in the Dandenongs. From my windows I saw three 1m
diameter Redgum
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:14:29PM +1100, luv-main@luv.asn.au wrote:
> On 01.10.16 01:34, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
> > anyway, systemd's borging of every function it possibly can will
> > inevitably lead to the death of innovation in linux and bring about
> > a software monoculture
On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 8:14:29 PM AEDT Erik Christiansen via luv-main
wrote:
> (Though I'm not sure that systemd's rapacious appetite for monolithic
> hegemony does a lot more than stultify its own development. In any
> ecological niche, more agile competitors will tend to gain ascendancy. I
Hi all,
Rick Moen wrote
> At least some in the Debian community are particularly annoyed by
> the systemd team's unwillingness to take patches for portability
> to kernels beyond Linux. That led Adam Borowski to jokingly dismiss
> OpenRC because it lacks "a hostile upstream".
>
>
Quoting Craig Sanders (c...@taz.net.au):
[init systems:]
> the majority had no say in it, and probably aren't capable of switching
> to something else if systemd doesn't meet their needs.
They can follow recipes, though. There's a continuum from people who
can fully maintain software through
[edited to put the interesting stuff at the top, and the boring stuff
at the bottom where it's easily ignored.]
On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 08:05:31PM +1000, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> Bash is still quite a bit bigger than busybox and links with a couple
> of libraries that busybox doesn't link
Quoting russ...@coker.com.au (russ...@coker.com.au):
> I don't approve content-free hate comments. There were no comments about
> actual issues so none were approved.
I believe you, of course.
Yeah, that's genuinely weird. I really have no idea why a bunch of
deplorable types (sorry, joke
On Friday, 30 September 2016 11:04:03 AM AEST Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
> > https://etbe.coker.com.au/2015/01/13/systemd-notes/
> >
> > No, I'm referring to the above blog post which was linked from the anti-
> > systemd-people post.
>
> Then, I'm no wiser, since no comments are displayed
On Saturday, 1 October 2016 2:09:58 AM AEST Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 02:38:54PM +1000, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> > > I'm sure you're aware that this variety of rhetoric suffers a rather
> > > serious 'if so, so what?' problem (residing somewhere among the
> >
Quoting russ...@coker.com.au (russ...@coker.com.au):
> Yet occasionally people do such things.
I see you're back to ignoring my point. Ah well.
> > Also, poorly socialised nerds don't perceive NSA as taking their toys
> > away the way (e.g.) entitlement-crazed debian-user subscribers do when
>
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 02:38:54PM +1000, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> > I'm sure you're aware that this variety of rhetoric suffers a rather
> > serious 'if so, so what?' problem (residing somewhere among the
>
> It's "if so don't deal with those people" as so many people have done.
> There are
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 06:14:49PM +1000, russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 September 2016 3:20:37 PM AEST Paul van den Bergen via
> luv-main wrote:
>
> > I'm going to be critical here - it is rare that you have personal choice
> > over the tools your system uses.
i haven't found it
On Friday, 30 September 2016 1:50:14 AM AEST Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
> > Why systemd out of all the things that I have blogged about?
>
> Give me a few milion AUS$, and I'll do a proper sociological study.
> Short of that, I can speculate:
>
> Being angry at SE-Linux maintainers would be
Quoting russ...@coker.com.au (russ...@coker.com.au):
> More complex things have been done in Debian before. Getting the full GNOME
> functionality without systemd might not be possible, but getting the
> functionality that most people want (IE what has been commonly available
> before
On Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:11:22 PM AEST Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
> (I note with appreciation your having addressed this very point in your
> blog post: 'The sensible option would be to just maintain a separate
> repository of modified packages as has been done many times before.' I
Quoting russ...@coker.com.au (russ...@coker.com.au):
> Yes, you can do that. It's much easier than creating a new web site
> for a new "distribution" which seems to be Debian with a few packages
> changed.
Indeed, some of the Devuan people were rather upset with me. ;-> (A
bunch of them had
On Friday, 30 September 2016 2:54:42 PM AEST Ray via luv-main wrote:
> Many thanks for an excellent summing up, I was going to put forward a
> response but your reply has covered all my points nicely. One thing
> though I will say is I was quite disturbed about the level of hostility
> in
On 30.09.2016 13:26, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
Quoting russ...@coker.com.au (russ...@coker.com.au):
People who have chosen systemd have spent a lot of time making it work
better
and solving some real problems that other init systems have had for
many
years. People who want to choose
Quoting russ...@coker.com.au (russ...@coker.com.au):
> People who have chosen systemd have spent a lot of time making it work better
> and solving some real problems that other init systems have had for many
> years. People who want to choose SysVInit have spent a lot of time flaming
> people
On 30/09/16 08:29, Chris Samuel via luv-main wrote:
On Thursday, 29 September 2016 5:00:39 PM AEST Andrew Pam wrote:
I miss TECO. Oh no, wait, no I don't.
Grin, I think I missed that one, instead having to use FRED on a Honeywell L66
running GCOS-3 (from memory). That was a pure line
On Thursday, 29 September 2016 5:00:39 PM AEST Andrew Pam wrote:
> I miss TECO. Oh no, wait, no I don't.
Grin, I think I missed that one, instead having to use FRED on a Honeywell L66
running GCOS-3 (from memory). That was a pure line editor, because the L66
only had a line input mode as
On Thursday, 29 September 2016 3:20:37 PM AEST Paul van den Bergen via luv-
main wrote:
> Fanbois huh? vi or emacs?
>
> I'm going to be critical here - it is rare that you have personal choice
> over the tools your system uses. Do the job in front of you. If that means
> you support windows ME
On 29/09/16 17:12, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
On 29/09/16 16:12, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
But what does your _name_ do in TECO? ;->
It makes me glad emacs and vi were created! :P
Cheers,
Andrew
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Quoting Andrew Pam (and...@sericyb.com.au):
> On 29/09/16 16:12, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
> >ftp://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/ed-is-the-standard-text-editor
>
> I miss TECO. Oh no, wait, no I don't.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
{laughs}
But what does your _name_ do in TECO? ;->
(I
On 29/09/16 16:12, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
ftp://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/ed-is-the-standard-text-editor
I miss TECO. Oh no, wait, no I don't.
Cheers,
Andrew
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Quoting Paul van den Bergen (paul.vandenber...@gmail.com):
> Fanbois huh? vi or emacs?
ftp://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/ed-is-the-standard-text-editor
(For some reason, many Yanks cannot seem to locate my humour directory.
I blame the education system -- lamentable problems spelling the
Fanbois huh? vi or emacs?
I'm going to be critical here - it is rare that you have personal choice
over the tools your system uses. Do the job in front of you. If that means
you support windows ME as a security portal(!), that's what you do... at
least until you find a better job.
On Thu, Sep
On Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:08:00 AM AEST Tim Connors via luv-main
wrote:
> Stop using it! And that part is easy, just run
>
> NOTIFY_SOCKET=/run/systemd/notify systemd-notify ""
>
> in a while 1 loop as an ordinary user.
>
>
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