Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Aug 13, Abdelrazak Younes did say: > > What about F11 to switch to full screen view? > Thanks for the idea Abdel. And I almost like it. But I keep my LyX window only almost maximized because I keep track of the time with a clock gadget that full screen view would hide... -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^J(tWdy)P | ___<> | |
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Aug 13, rgheck did say: > View>Toolbars? I remember it used to be there in ver 1.5.6... But I can't find it in ver 1.6.3 But thanks... -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <>
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
On 13/08/2009 20:05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after Alt-P) From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-P does nothing. But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-P does its magic. Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars... But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a pulldown menu choice to deactivate them... Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them? What about F11 to switch to full screen view? Abdel.
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
On 08/13/2009 02:05 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars... But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a pulldown menu choice to deactivate them... View>Toolbars? rh
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Aug 12, BH did say: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van > Ravesteijn wrote: > > > > Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after > > Alt-P ) > > From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has > been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at > least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui > file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-P does nothing. > But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-P > does its magic. Yup I used the .ui file to dump the undesirable toolbars... But I'm curious, How else can I get rid of them? I wouldn't have discovered the existence of the .ui files if I could have found a pulldown menu choice to deactivate them... Wait, let me guess, perhaps there is some mouse centric technique to temporarily hide them if you know just where/how to click/drag them? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |\___/ <>
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that +[c] = lyx code... Sorry, I have to tell you: +[0] = Part, [1] = Chapter, [2] = Section, [3] = SubSection, etc. +<*>[0] = Part*, [1] = Chapter*, [2] = Section*, [3] = SubSection*, etc. Now I'm feeling nauseous... Sorry. Vincent
RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Aug 12, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say: > > >Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager? > > Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :) Now I'm feeling nauseous... -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ <> | { snicker }
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Aug 11, rgheck did say: > On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that. > > But it doesn't work that way for me... --- snip --- > > Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager? > This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal > keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here. > > Do other alt-p options work? Yes, I tried to guess what would open a chapter and found out that +[c] = lyx code... > I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then the > shortcut Alt-p+ won't work. It's displayed or not? I'm not quite sure what "the paragraph layout selection combo" is, but if you mean that long list of possible keystrokes that display on the status line when I first press + then yes... > FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with kde > 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are differences > but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now. I will admit that I found kde 4.2 less difficult to deal with than 4.1... However a few things that kde 4x crammed down my throat so offended me that had I not found a window manager that I suits me, I was actually considering going back to winblows over it. (And I've been bashing them since ver 3.x) Example: as a keyboard user who has always needed to make many changes to the global (and application) keybindings to a)eliminate the 75% that I never want to fat finger by mistake. b)assign bindings that my fingers can remember to the few I do use. And given that I have difficulty using the rodent, I found that altering the gui key assignment routine for KEYBOARD shortcuts in such a way that it was no longer practical to do this without clicking on things REALLY bugged me... Then I discovered Enlightenment, and now not even a permanent reinstatement of kde 3.5's user interface would tempt me back. I still install kde versions of linux because I'm accustomed to certain kde applications, and because few (if any) linux distro have enlightenment version installation dvd. Note, I was not happy with the gui tool to assign shortcuts in e17 either, and would still be using e16 (where the global shortcuts are actually in a vim editable config...) as my preferred WM in spite of e17's enhancements except that some nice person informed me of an e17 utility (enlightenment_remote) and gave me a copy of a bash script (e17_setup.sh) which uses enlightenment_remote to automatically save and restore many e17 configurations to/from a vim editable re-config script... -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ <>
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > >> But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox >> isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select >> chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...) >> Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that >> the standard toolbar be turned on... > > Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after > Alt-P ) >From what I can tell, this is true only if the standard toolbar has been visible in the relevant window at some time in the past -- at least on Mac. If as I do (and Joe apparently does) you set your ui file not to load the standard toolbar, then Alt-P does nothing. But once you make the toolbar visible and then invisible, Alt-P does its magic. BH
RE: Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
>Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager? Then you'd really have to try the Windows windowmanager :) Vincent
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
On 08/11/2009 07:41 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after Alt-P) Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that. But it doesn't work that way for me... I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64 version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say: "standard" "off,top" and restarted LyX, I tried the+[space] shortcut. When I first pressed+ the status line at the bottom of the LyX window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT "magically" appear. Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager? I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear? This shouldn't be WM dependent, except in so far as the WM might steal keypresses. But I can't see that that's very likely here. Do other alt-p options work? I think if the paragraph layout selection combo isn't displayed, then the shortcut Alt-p+ won't work. It's displayed or not? FWIW, I stuck with kde 3.5.x for a long time, but am pretty happy with kde 4.2.x and expect to be a lot happier with kede 4.3.x. There are differences but most of what you're accustomed to can be done now. rh
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Aug 7, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: > Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after > Alt-P ) Well Vincent, I'm glad to hear that it's supposed to work like that. But it doesn't work that way for me... I'm using LyX 1.6.3 as emerged for Sabayon Linux 4.2 (the kde/x86-64 version)... When I edited /usr/share/lyx/ui/classic.ui to say: "standard" "off,top" and restarted LyX, I tried the +[space] shortcut. When I first pressed + the status line at the bottom of the LyX window displayed a long list of options. When I completed the shortcut by tapping the spacebar the status line briefly indicated that I had pressed the spacebar, but the dropdownbox did NOT "magically" appear. Perhaps this "automagic" behavior is dependent on the windowmanager? I installed the kde version of Sabayon rather than the gnome version because I'm used to having all the kde tools available to me and I never liked gnome's interface. HOWEVER kde4 caused me to run screaming into the arms of enlightenment. And I'm currently using e17 for my window manager rather than putting up with kde4. Perhaps that could have something to do with the dropdownbox failing to automagicly appear? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |\___/ <>
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...) Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that the standard toolbar be turned on... Magically, the dropdownbox is also shown when the toolbar is hidden (after Alt-P ) Vincent
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Aug 6, Helge Hafting did say: > Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > > As it is the only one I leave on is "standard". And that to keep the > > viability of the "3-key,2-stroke" keybinding "+[space]". Thus > > I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless > > stuff I would never ever "click" on. > > You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you > could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom > key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings > without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find > useful also.) First let me clarify... I don't think I actually lose the keybinding itself. But this particular binding. Nor in fact do I truly know what to call the function it invokes. But several versions of LyX ago I discovers that using the default (cua) bind file the sequence of holding the alt key and pressing p, then pressing the spacebar results in the same effect that i would get if I spent (more than 30 seconds on a bad day) trying to get the #&R$&^$*^$ing mouse pointer lined up so I could click on the arrow in that scrollbox normally located at the extreme lefthand end of the standard toolbar... IE to insert a new chapter I hit [enter]+[space] then arrow-key down until chapter is highlighted, press [enter] and start typing a chapter heading... But if I close the otherwise useless standard toolbar, the scrollbox isn't on the screen, thus it doesn't open so that I can select chapter,(or other {is it called section type?} choice from list...) Thus the viability of the shortcut sequence I described requires that the standard toolbar be turned on... I'm sure that I could set the new line to chapter with one of the other arguments to + if I bothered to look it up and memories it. But I can only remember just so many shortcut sequences, And this one gets me a list of many selectable choices. > To get rid of the document tabs too, open all your files in > separate windows. (ALT+f w, or "File->New Window") > Then, use your window manager to switch > between them. This is usually performed by alt+tab, although some > keyboard centric window managers might do it differently. Yeah, As I said in a different reply, Because of the fact that I usually open a half dozen .LyX files (with long filenames) using the window manager to switch between them is not a good choice. Where as my script always lists the filename arguments to LyX in the same order So I know that +[2] will always switch to the main story document and +[5] will always switch to my descriptive list of characters... Unless I happen to be working on those same .LyX files from one of my other linux distributions which still have older versions of LyX which means same result would happen by typing +[2] & +[5] instead. Of course, since I insist on being able to work on this story even if I happen to have booted another linux version, my shell script on this one also has to automatically invoke: lyx2lyx -t 276 on them when I'm done... But in any case, I thank you for the kind hearted help. I for one think this list is lucky to have you... correction: *_very_* lucky ;-) -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ <>
Re: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: I'm using lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2. Which is fairly impressive BTW. I like most of the user interface. Well that is except that As a keyboard-centric user with very poor mouse coordination I always resent screen space taken up by point n' click specific tools such as most toolbars. For example if "+[space]" worked without that scrollbox attached to the "standard" toolbar the .ui file would say => Toolbars => "standard" "off,top" => "extra" "off,top" => "table" "off,bottom" => "math" "off,bottom" => "minibuffer" "off,bottom" => End As it is the only one I leave on is "standard". And that to keep the viability of the "3-key,2-stroke" keybinding "+[space]". Thus I put up with wasting a whole line of screen space on mostly useless stuff I would never ever "click" on. [...] BUT I would never ever wrestle with my mouse to get that (expletive deleted) pointer on the name of the document displayed with an [x] just under the toolbars... And that would be so, even if I wasn't just as likely to accidentally click on one of the [x]s... Is there any way to get them off my screen??? You can turn off all the toolbars if you like. I did not know that you could loose keybindings that way, but define the keybindings in a custom key binding file instead. That way, you can have the same keybindings without any toolbars. (And you can define other keybindings you find useful also.) To get rid of the document tabs too, open all your files in separate windows. (ALT+f w, or "File->New Window") Then, use your window manager to switch between them. This is usually performed by alt+tab, although some keyboard centric window managers might do it differently. Helge Hafting
RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
It would appear that on Jul 31, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW did say: > > Is there any way to get them off my screen??? > > Tools->Preferences->Look & Feel->Open Document in Tabs > Thanks. But when I tried that the results were less than ideal. I don't know why I didn't realize I was talking about "tabs" until you identified the toggle. {Unless it has to do with the fact that when I use LyX I'm always either opening just one document (in which case there isn't one) Or I'm opening a half dozen documents with a script where the average filename length is about 30 characters long. (in which case the row of tabs don't all fit} and so I never discerned the pattern of a tab beside a spot without one...} But in any case the results are that several separate LyX windows open. which in itself isn't bad, but since the filenames are so long it's hard to determine which doc is which switching via the + global shortcut. And if I try to use the +[$number] method, the tabs in that particular document window turn themselves back on... It might be nice for keyboard centric users who switch documents via the menu, rather than by clicking on the tab, if they added an additional check box or .ui file item, that toggled the graphic display of the tabs like it was a toolbar full of tabs, while still allowing ONE document window to switch between several [virtual tab] documents via the pull down menu... But as feature requests go, I doubt this would ever be considered a high priority... So I'm thinking that I'll just have to live with the durned tabs. Thanks anyway! -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^J(tWdy)P | ___<> | |
RE: Lyx 1.6.3 Can I ditch the pointNclick list of open files below the toolbars???
> Is there any way to get them off my screen??? Tools->Preferences->Look & Feel->Open Document in Tabs Vincent