Hi,
I use VoiceOver the most, and I'm way more efficient using VoiceOver now. I
found that, if you were loading absolutely massive webpages, JAWS/Window Eyes
first had to load all the contents into their virtual buffer before you could
do as much as navigate. I personally see that as a huge
Hi,
i don't understand. web spots are something you set yourself. When your on
the position you want to set as a web spot press control, option, command,
shift, and right bracket. Auto web spots are the things that show up in the
rotor. You can go through these without opening the rotor by
I started my current Mac experience by borrowing a Mac Mini from a vendor who
sold assistive technology for Windows. I wanted to prove that what they said
about the mac was wrong, that they couldn't use it effectively as blind folks.
I dumped my old pc and started use the Mac full time from the
Ah, let me assure you I take nothing personally because as I have said,
whatever works for you is all that matters. My point to you is simply that the
functionality does exist and you may have more keys to work with. We both agree
nothing is perfect and to be honest I think there is one other
I would also point out that if you use the Web Spot feature, it is quite
accurate indeed. I have a sweet spot set for a number of locations on the
banking website I use and it surely is the greatest thing for making navigation
of a site efficient. I have it setup so as soon as the page loads,
Hi,
On 10 Feb., 12:58, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
I purchased iWork 09 for around $60 and am happy with its functionality.
That sounds promising. I did some basic testing but for example
couldn't figure out how to create and read tables. Can you recommend
some documentation on iWork
How does one delete an unwanted app from iPhone with vo running?
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:
I started my current Mac experience by borrowing a Mac Mini from a vendor
who sold assistive technology for Windows. I wanted to prove that what
Hi,
I use web spots, but always auto web spots. I never set my own. And that's
because The VoiceOver is always right. It's outsmarted me on many occasions.
That may not be very hard to do, but VoiceOver is doing a fantastic job of it.
Oh, and I sometimes use the sweet spot. At first, I thought
See you learn something new every day, even this old grumpy man. Have to
redefine keyboard shortcuts though, i can't use existing ones due to the
keyboard layout of a swedish keyboard. This isn't VOs fault though.
/Krister
12 feb 2010 kl. 12.00 skrev Scott Howell:
I would also point out that
Hi carlene,
On 12 Feb 2010, at 01:13, carlene knight wrote:
I've got a question about preview, now that you mention it. when I was
trying to read the Vo getting started PDF, I would stop speech with control
and then when I wanted to continue, it would go back to the beginning of the
Hi Philippe,
Which blog was this please?
Thanks
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 05:50, Philippe Brun wrote:
Hi all,
I read on a french Mac blog that MS rewrite Office with Cocoa. So just wait
and see !
Philippe
Le 12 févr. 2010 à 05:07, E.J. Zufelt a écrit :
Good
Hi,
I wish I could redefine default keyboard commands. Like VO-Backslash.
Impossible to do on a Danish keyboard, as you need Option for backslash. Oh,
and I wish my bank site was accessible. It is on Windows for the most part, but
VO doesn't like it and the site recommends that I use Safari.
Hi,
I mean Firefox. Oops.
Regards,
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On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I wish I could redefine default keyboard commands. Like VO-Backslash.
Hi Philippe,
Thanks for this. I'm sure I will enjoy reading it.
TC
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On 12 Feb 2010, at 11:53, Philippe Brun wrote:
Hi James,
This article on the french Clubic IT website :
http://www.clubic.com/actualite-324878-office-mac-microsoft-2011.html
Regardes
Philippe
Le
Hi Nic,
Have you tried using the Develop menu in Safari to try to trick the site into
thinking that you are using FireFox? I think you can find the checkbox for this
menu under the Advanced settings.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 11:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I mean
Hi,
I'll definitely give that a try. I'll let you know. I forgot about the spoof
feature.
Regards,
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On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:11 PM, James Nash wrote:
Hi Nic,
Have you
Hi,
Could you tell me how to set a sweet spot?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:32 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I use web spots, but always auto web spots. I never set my own. And that's
because The VoiceOver is always right. It's outsmarted me on many occasions.
That may not be very hard to do,
Hi,
Man, that didn't work with making it think it's Firefox.
To set the sweet spot, you have to press VO-Command-}}. Unfortunately, this is
another command you can't do on Danish keyboards at least without changing the
layout.
Regards,
Nic
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Hi Nic,
I'm sorry to hear that it didn't work. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work.
You could also try turning off images and using DOM mode for that particular
page. Perhaps that will work.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 12:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
Man, that
I must admit that one reason I use the rotor so much is that I am not a
classical pianist like Iggy so some of the keystrokes are a bit hard for this
old nerd.
cdh
On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi Scott,
I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the
I've heard the new MS Office has been rewritten for Cocoa and should be
accessible but information from MS can be true and false at the same time.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Scott Ballard-RidleyScott Ridley wrote:
hi all
I have just read on the mac world website that microsoft has
Yes, in fact, I always set up a mute key on my displays, so I can just hit the
button and make it happen. Speech while I'm brailling is really distracting.
Best,
erik burggraaf
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Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
On
What about control option shift C? This will copy the last thing voice over
said to the clip board. It's pretty much the only way I copy things off web
pages, unless the pages them selves are poorly designed.
It works like this.
Hear something that you want to rip off the page like a phone
That's interesting. I was under the impression that ardic had invented the
idea of the virtual buffer system. at least, I saw it in winvision first, and
remember the manual was pretty excited about it.
Best,
erik burggraaf
A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
Phone:
Hello Aman,
Several years ago, windows screen readers introduced table navigation into the
windows browsing experience. Actually it was a lot of years ago now that I
come to think of it.
We could use my live music trading site http://livemusic.erik-burggraaf.com as
an example. If you go to
Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 Confirmed During MacWorld [Office For
Mac Details Emerge, Availability Set For Later This Year]
Posted at:
Hi Mary, Have you tried cutting out a bunch of those intensive keys by
pressing control option semicolon to lock the vo keys? This is a minor
inconvenience but usefull for prolonged periods of browsing.
Best,
erik burggraaf
A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
Phone:
Hi,
Yeah, I know about the keyboard commander. I'd prefer to be able to replace the
current keystroke, which is really what I want and not have two keystrokes for
the same function. Not that it matters much, but I like not having things
cluttered so I can free up space for other commands.
HI all. Just started teaching someone the mac for the first time as she
sees many advantages over learning a windows computer. ONe of the first
things she wants to do is make skype calls. Got that going with little
difficulty, but I wonder if there are hot keys for starting a call and
hanging
I'll add a Skype question to this thread. Is it possible to check
skype voicemail with VoiceOver? If someone can give directions that'd
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
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Hi all,
This may be a dumb question, but is there a difference between web spots and
sweet spots?
TIA,
Donna
On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:00 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
I would also point out that if you use the Web Spot feature, it is quite
accurate indeed. I have a sweet spot set for a number of
Hi James, Carlene, and Others,
You need to set a hot spot if you want to go back to the same location
in Preview after shifting to another app. Before you navigate away
from Preview, press VO-Shift-1 (or any other number key that you want
to assign to th hot spot). You'll hear VoiceOver
HI all. Another question I could use some help with. Anyone found an irc
client that works well with vo. It may be possible to use ichat to connect
to an irc server but I haven't tried and my mac isn't available at the
moment.
thoughts would be appreciated.
thanks.
Brian.
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Hi Brian,
On 12 Feb 2010, at 14:21, Brian Moore wrote:
HI all. Another question I could use some help with. Anyone found an irc
client that works well with vo. It may be possible to use ichat to connect
to an irc server but I haven't tried and my mac isn't available at the moment.
I
Hi Brian,
On 12 Feb 2010, at 13:39, Brian Moore wrote:
Just started teaching someone the mac for the first time as she
sees many advantages over learning a windows computer. ONe of the first
things she wants to do is make skype calls. Got that going with little
difficulty, but I wonder if
Hi Everett
On 12 Feb 2010, at 13:49, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
I'll add a Skype question to this thread. Is it possible to check skype
voicemail with VoiceOver? If someone can give directions that'd be greatly
appreciated.
To listen to Voice Mail with Voice Over, select the Call list option in
Hi,
What I do when I want to copy off large amounts of text from web
pages, or read items that VoiceOver won't read in Safari (because the
text is in non-Roman characters -- for example, mixed Cyrillic script
for Russian, or Greek characters used in an equation) is use a
keyboard
Hi, you can delete the app by doing this. Find the app you want to delete
and then double tap and hold this will put it in a edit mode. Then just
chose delete on that app. Now this will only work on app that you installed.
Also the next time you go to sync make sure you uncheck this app under the
Hi,
A number of us have been complaining about various slowness problems. This may
be the fix:
http://accesstechnews.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/apple-offers-fix-for-audio-related-mac-pro-performance-issue/?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter.
cdh
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They seem to only mention the Mac Pro.
From: c...@hofstader.com
Subject: Fix for Sound Related Slowness on MBP
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:11:43 -0500
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org
Hi,
A number of us have been complaining about various slowness
Didn't notice much as far as changes in accessibility but according to
their bug system a few VO-related crashes have been fixed.
English download here:
http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.2.0/OOo_3.2.0_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US.dmg
Other languages and platforms here:
Maybe it's time to finally make the jump to 10.6. Was waiting for the
dust to settle a bit before diving in. These kinds of things motivate me
to actually dive in.
CB
Chris Hofstader wrote:
Hi,
A number of us have been complaining about various slowness problems. This may be
the fix:
Google translation here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=yprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=1eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clubic.com%2Factualite-324878-office-mac-microsoft-2011.htmlsl=autotl=en
CB
Philippe Brun wrote:
Hi James,
This article on the french Clubic IT website :
Hi all!
I do mine a little differently. I press command-4 to bring up the history
window and go from there. It seems to save a couple of keystrokes. Good that
there are so many ways to do things on the mac.
Jim
On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:47 AM, James Nash wrote:
Hi Everett
On 12 Feb 2010, at
Hi Jim,
Thanks for this, I didn't know that you could get to the call list window this
way.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 16:10, Jim Gatteys wrote:
Hi all!
I do mine a little differently. I press command-4 to bring up the history
window and go from there. It seems to
You can also easily do it from Adium
http://www.ofzenandcomputing.com/zanswers/1231
and the new beta of AIM for mac now has Facebook support baked in:
http://products.aim.com/beta
I haven't tried it yet but AOL announced this week bi-directional
support for AIM on Facebook so in theory you
Hi Eric,
I've mostly been using a combo of the quick nav and the keypad to avoid using
the many-key keystrokes. But the heading one is one that, for some reason, I
keep using the multi-keys. Maybe its a function of too many choices. smile
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Hello. You have some good points, but I just want to point out something. You
said that windows screen readers can use hot keys to move around the web page
because there is a forms mode. I just want to point out that System Access
uses hot keys such as e to go to an edit box, but there is no
Hi,
True enough, though that'd be the same as auto-forms mode. You'd still have to
get System Access out of the form to navigate.
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On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:44 PM,
Hi,
Well from what I have seen so far, the level of support seems to depend on what
you are trying to do.
Pages - This seems very accessible, except for the fact taht I cannot seem to
use Styles with Voice Over. Every time I try to use a Headings style for
example, I am unable to change the
James,
I wanted to add one more remark about pages accessibility. Comments are also
inaccessible. So if you have a document where someone has inserted comments,
you cannot see them in pages.
John
On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:15 PM, James Nash wrote:
Hi,
Well from what I have seen so far,
the macbook pro wasn't listed there, also it seems to only mention 10.5.8 and
seems to elude that sound problems are non-existant in Snow Leopard. Am I
missing something?? I hope this fixes things, although, I've not experienced
much slowness here with my mbp.
On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:11 AM,
I was using macirc, tried text-cht aqua but didn't like it.
On 2010-02-12, at 9:21 AM, Brian Moore wrote:
HI all. Another question I could use some help with. Anyone found an irc
client that works well with vo. It may be possible to use ichat to connect
to an irc server but I haven't tried
Hi,
Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a few hang-ups
however.
1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered lists.
2. You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: objects
embedded in the document. That being said however,
John,
I'm wondering what problems you have with reading comments. I've tried
inserting them myself and can't see any problems. Are you referring to Word
docs?
Thanks.
On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:52 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
James,
I wanted to add one more remark about pages accessibility.
I had loads that I wanted to delete at one go and there were all over the
place. Plus, these weren't links from the radio directory.
On 11 Feb 2010, at 04:00, carlene knight wrote:
HI:
When I find a radio stream I want to ad to a play list I simply copy it and
paste it into the playlist.
Hi, there is a email list especially for blind IPhone users. See link below
to the site to let her sign up. Also I can give info on how to sign up with
out a Google email if you think she would want it. See link below might have
to copy and paste it in address bar.
I'd first like to encourage a calmer tone in this thread if I might. smile
-If people are upset or worried about having switched, then that's fine.
They're entitled to their feelings as we all are.
Okay, *off my moderatrix soap box now* lol!
Let me also suggest that one can use track
You press command L to go to the address bar.
On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:09 PM, ch...@q.com wrote:
Hi,
Ok, I'm exploring with Alex on the MacBook Pro, and I want to enter a website
address to go to, or to find. Can someone tell me the equivalent of pressing
control L on this OS?
TIA
I've tried that app. Its' speech implementation is such that you almost don't
need VO, as all channel text can be set to be spoken, also without the need for
growl, but I didn't like that again, like in x-chat aqua, Zoom tracking didn't
work in the input field.
On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:43 PM,
Indeed, trackpad navigation using trackpad commander is the fastest navigation
method I think I've ever tried. If i might add, also going through the tutorial
a few times may help one to remember features as well. Just hang in there and
be patient, it'll get more comfortable, and one can always
And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. THe more
folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get addressed sooner
than later. I have been sending feedback to accessibil...@apple.com and via
support as well.
On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder
hey guys
the cd/dvd drive on my macbook has been doing some weird things lately. it'll
play most cds and dvd's, but it's iffy on my glee road to sectionals box set.
there are four dvd's in the set, the first 13 episodes of the show. sometimes
they'll work, but most of the time they just spin
Really, well that sucks. You would think that Apple would ensure that their own
products were 100% accessible wouldn't you?
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 20:52, John J Herzog wrote:
James,
I wanted to add one more remark about pages accessibility. Comments are also
Could you please provide instructions on using Styles and comments with VO?
Thanks
TC
James Lyn Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 21:43, Barry Hadder wrote:
Hi,
Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a few
hang-ups however.
1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in
Caution: Any of you who like to play Bingo online, there is a site
called www.bingopalace.net, but it is not accessible with the Mac or
VoiceOver. I tried downloading the software, which is similar to the
software used in All-in-Play, only to find out there isn't a version
for the Mac, as
Hi,
The manuals for all 3 products are on the Apple website. I believe it's
apple.com/iwork. All manuals are in pdf format, so you'll need either Preview
or Skim to read them.
Les
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A subjective answer here, yes there is. It depends on what you wish to do.
I've had experience with Pages and Numbers and overall, the accessibility is
good. The issue with reading tables and the inherent problems have been
chronicled here. But for around $60, I think it's worth it.
Les
On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Joe Plummer wrote:
Hi, you can delete the app by doing this. Find the app you want to delete
and then double tap and hold this will put it in a edit mode. Then just
chose delete on that app. Now this will only work on app that you installed.
Also the next time
On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
I was just thinking about this, How good is VoiceOver reading entries in the
Ipod touch address book?
It works very well. The address book on the iPhone and iPod Touch is
excellent. This is the only PDA I use. When you subscribe to MobileMe,
Hi,
What I like about Safari is that when you start typing in an address that
you've been to before, VO will reade it so typing entire addresses after the
initial visit is not necessary.
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1. Move the vo cursor to the styles drore button which is just below the
toolbar and vo-space.
2. Now move vo to the drore jest to the left of the toolbar and interact with
it.
3. There are three types of styles. Interact with the styles table that you
want and move vo to a
Thanks! Good to hear!
On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
I was just thinking about this, How good is VoiceOver reading entries in the
Ipod touch address book?
It works very well. The address book on the iPhone and iPod
Hello,
He is not wrong at all. He said you can uncheck the app from iTunes then sync
and it will remove the app from the phone and not delete it from your computer.
This is 100% accurate. Some people will want to remove it from there phone
but still have it stored away on there computer.
Hi Donna,
A sweet spot is a position on a web page you have designated voiceover to be on
as soon as you go to the site. web spots are just key positions on a page that
you have set or Voiceover has set automatically. Btw. VO command right
bracket takes you forward through your manually set
Good evening,
Curious if anyone on the list uses OpenOffice Writer 3.2
I tried it out today and it seems to me that the document area is
composed of a text field for each line of the document. It seems to
be so poorly designed as to be not ueful. However, I might be missing
something,
Good evening,
I have been using Syrinx for quite some time as my sole Twitter
client. I love everything except for one thing about it, using
version 2.3.1.
When you interact with an individual tweet in the timeline you cannot
properly navigate by word. VO reads parts of words, or
Hi List,
I've got my printer connected, but I can't figureout how to print off my
hardware overview page in about this mac?
What is the print command or is it a print screen command.
Thanks for any help.
Simon
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Good evening,
I spent a lot of time this summer working on Drupal accessibility.
The Drupal community could use some help in squashing a bug. If you
use VoiceOver and have 2 minutes to spare please visit http://zufelt.ca/article/Testing_Drupal_7_style_element-invisible
All that is
Yeah, I've noticed this too and would love to fix it ASA{.
On Feb 13, 2010, at 12:37 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
Good evening,
Curious if anyone on the list uses OpenOffice Writer 3.2
I tried it out today and it seems to me that the document area is composed of
a text field for each line of
Hi Barry,
Thank you for the info. Now that I know how to do this, Pages should be more
valuable.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 13 Feb 2010, at 03:30, Barry Hadder wrote:
James,
1. Move the vo cursor to the styles drore button which is just below the
toolbar and vo-space.
2. Now
IN the process of exploring my clock settings, I accidently switch my time zone
to West then Centeral Africa, and now, I can't put it back. Is there any VO
key sequence that I can use to manipulate the world map so I can reset my time
zone correctly? I think I've tried pretty much everything.
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