Re: Question regarding the Doc on Mac - possible solution

Hi Gary, Have your friend try the following and see if it helps: 1. Go to the Dock using VO + D, and place focus on the icon for the Downloads folder. 2. Use VO + SHIFT + M, to open a shortcut menu that will allow you to change how the folder contents are viewed. 3. Use VO + Up/Down Arrows

Re: Apple podcast app alternative

I use the Apple Podcasts app and Overcast... whatever I feel like using I guess What’s the difference between Downcast and Castro? Sounds like two good options for us to use. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote: > > I use OverCast. I hear a

Re: Apple podcast app alternative

I use OverCast. I hear a number of Blind IOS users are switching to a PodCast App called Castro. Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student Ghandi said, “ It is better to have a heart without words than words without a heart.” -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Using Fn + Tab works like a charm. No double tapping necessary. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 15:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi Dave, Yeah, I know. The problem is that I have to tap it several times to get it to work, it’s very cludgy. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPhone >

Re: Apple podcast app alternative

I highly recommend Overcast. It is straight-forward, uncluttered and free. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 21:09, lenron brown wrote: down cast here but I know some swear by overcast On 6/27/20, Phil Halton wrote: > I’ve tried to love this app, Apple’s podcast app, but it’s just not >

Re: Apple podcast app alternative

down cast here but I know some swear by overcast On 6/27/20, Phil Halton wrote: > I’ve tried to love this app, Apple’s podcast app, but it’s just not > happening for me. What are other people using for podcast listening? > Something that’s well organized, Intuitive and easy to use with

Apple podcast app alternative

I’ve tried to love this app, Apple’s podcast app, but it’s just not happening for me. What are other people using for podcast listening? Something that’s well organized, Intuitive and easy to use with voiceover. Sent from my IPhone -- The following information is important for all members of

Re: Question regarding the Doc on Mac.

Can confirm. This is definitely an odd one. Will see if this is fixed in 11 public beta when it comes out. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com Https://devinprater.github.io > On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:56 AM, alia robinson wrote: > > I don’t get anything like that, but I set up where command n will open

Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

Hi Leo, I assure you that such things matter to many, even if native speakers. May I ask where to locate neural voices? Would I be correct in guessing that, these voices cannot be incorporated into voiceover as an option? Its profoundly frustrating, the lack of understanding that some folks

Did the Spell-Checker Change in the Mail app?

Seems like recently the spell checker will jump to the quoted message thread and check spelling there, as well as in the message I composed. Can’t find a way to tell it to ignore the quoted text. Any suggestions? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer --

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Actually Donna, your posts generate a question...perhaps one worth its own thread. Just how many devices do most of you own? Kare On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: Just to throw something else into the mix here, I???d been thinking about replacing my 2017 MBP,

Re: whitch Macbook pro

does not mean you cannot still find apple machines that come with them however, if the hardware is important to your specific needs. Kare On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, Anne Robertson wrote: Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive anymore. Cheers, Anne On 27

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Yes, I like my MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. Although the new ones with the physical escape button would be an improvement. It is very easy too accidentally touch the bar and VoiceOver will say escape. Using VoiceOver isn’t so bad as we need to double tap to activate it but I’ve heard that

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

It does work in some places. I found it interesting that the command took me to the last app on the page, But if I touch the dock I could then use command to move inside the container. So moving the mail app to the last position would then work for the space 4-5-6 command. From E.T.'s

Re: Books app on mac and braille.

I’m not sure I know what you mean. I usually associate those parameters with speech rather than braille. When I am reading in the Books app on my iPhone or iPad I just use the panning buttons to scroll left and right. I don’t think he would want them to jump by paragraph. Hope this helps.

Re: Books app on mac and braille.

Can you read by sentence or paragraph using braille in the books iOS app? You can’t read by anything other than line using voice over. Just curious might get me into braille if that could be done. Currently I can read by sentence in the MacBooks app, but nowhere else. Sent from my IPhone >

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Dave, Yeah, I know. The problem is that I have to tap it several times to get it to work, it’s very cludgy. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: > > Donna, > The far left location on the touchbar defaults to Escape. Double tap there. > >

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Donna, The far left location on the touchbar defaults to Escape. Double tap there. Dave Carlson Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: That's interesting. I could probably live with the touch bar

Re: beta testers?

Hey Kliph, I was just thinking about installing the beta. Is that group still live? Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Kliph Senior wrote: > > I am sorry, meant dev beta for 14 > > >> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Kliph Senior > > wrote: >> >> If you

Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

I find neural voices far more natural when reading large articles. For me everything is better, intonation, in-flexion, naturalness, and pronunciation. Objectively speaking, these characteristics are very important for me since I'm not a native English speaker, but I understand that they might

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

Hope you have better luck with the lottery than I've ever had. lol The one drawback to the container approach is that containers don't work on the phone, only on the iPad. *sigh* Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:46 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > The is a default command

Re: whitch Macbook pro

That's interesting. I could probably live with the touch bar if I had an escape key. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: > > In addition to going back to keyboards with a scissor-switch mechanism, both > MacBook Pro and MacBook Air keyboards now use and inverted-T

Re: beta testers?

I am sorry, meant dev beta for 14 > On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Kliph Senior wrote: > > If you are running the public beta, and would like to chat about it. Contact > me at > sturi...@icloud.com > Gonna have a zoom meeting to discuss experiences and bugs. > >

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Ahoy Dave, Just velcro the hub out of sight and rout your cables to it discretely. Good reason for a hub is to save your jack on your lap top. Just like a "patch bay"! LOL Usually looks like a porky pine after all the wires but is mounted away from your movements! A? Chuck "God does not play

beta testers?

If you are running the public beta, and would like to chat about it. Contact me at sturi...@icloud.com Gonna have a zoom meeting to discuss experiences and bugs. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have

Re: whitch Macbook pro

In addition to going back to keyboards with a scissor-switch mechanism, both MacBook Pro and MacBook Air keyboards now use and inverted-T style layout for arrow keys and have a physical Escape key. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: I don’t think

Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

Why don't you just use VoiceOver to read articles on the Internet when using Edge on a Mac?? - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:15, Leo Bado wrote:  well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; however, I was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

The is a default command to move to containers so if this works then you could use that plus the assigned commands within the container. I am out of steam now or I would play with it too. I need to win the lottery. Then I can get that new Mac! From E.T.'s Keyboard...

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

Hey! That's an interesting idea! I think it does qualify as a container, so I'll give that a try. Thanks! Good luck with your new Mac. Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > An idea. If the dock qualifies as a container then you can assign commands > to

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

An idea. If the dock qualifies as a container then you can assign commands to move to the top ot bottom of the container. Also too, you can move those apps to different locations on the dock. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

No, I don't either. So Mail is the first item in my dock. I want to be able to issue a keyboard command, and land on Mail so I can open it. Just trying to minimize all the futzing around you have to do when using a keyboard with iOS. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, 'E.T.' via

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

Well maybe I don't understand. iPhone or iPad? There are only 4/5 items on the dock. Thre is no top to the dock. Clue me in. :) I did not see ay options for the dock in the assignment list. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

I do, but that takes you all the way to the end of the screen. It’s not a huge deal, you just have to scroll backwards them. But it seems like there should be a braille command for moving the dock. I wonder if you can create it with a custom command. Maybe I’ll play around with that. Sent from

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

There is not a specific command for the dock. It is the last item on the screen so use space 4-5-6. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 6/27/2020 10:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; however, I was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but sadly, they don't... and for me this feature it's very important since I usually read articles on internet. I don't know if those voices are working

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Thanks, Brad. I knew about the number keys, but I didn't know about FN+Tab. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Brad Snyder wrote: > > For those with TouchBar MacBook Pros, if you are not aware, in most > use-cases, holding down VO + Fn, will allow the number row keys to perform as

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

I tried that, but it doesn't work. At least not with my VU. Best, Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Caitlyn Furness > wrote: > > I think it’s chord d… > > Cait > > >> On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Subject says it all.

Re: whitch Macbook pro

If I could get to the Apple store I could see for myself and maybe bring home a new Mac. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 6/27/2020 10:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: I don’t

Re: whitch Macbook pro

I don’t think they’re using the butterfly keyboards at all anymore. That’s one reason I was thinking about upgrading. I really don’t like that keyboard. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > >  As long as its not the

Re: whitch Macbook pro

As long as its not the butterfly one which I have not heard good things about. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 6/27/2020 9:57 AM, Brad Snyder wrote: Keyboard is the same. Only difference is

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Keyboard is the same. Only difference is the Touch Bar. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:  Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library. If I don't like the keyboard I can

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Based on much of the comments to this thread, the MBP will stay on my list. I run VMware Fusion plus I have a media library. If I don't like the keyboard I can use my external one. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past.

downloading MS Edge for Mac

For those interested in trying MS Edge on their Mac, below is a link to the Microsoft Edge download page. While I definitely prefer using Safari because of the full Apple ecosystem integration, MS Edge on a Mac is an alternative for those with one foot in the Microsoft world, and an alternative

Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

It's a separate download, if you do a google search for microsoft edge it should be the first result. > On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Dave Carlson wrote: > > Mike, > Is MS Edge part of the Office 365 suite, or a separate download? > > Dave Carlson > Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician,

Re: Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

I think it’s chord d… Cait > On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Subject says it all. Is there a command that will take you directly to the > dock on a braille display? I know the dot-456 chord will take you to the > bottom of the

Re: whitch Macbook pro

MacBook Airs have 2 USB-C ports. One on each side. Except for the headphone port, there are no other ports on the Air. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi Andy, I don't know how many USBs the new MacBook Airs have, but I can tell you that when

Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

MS Edge is not a part of Microsoft365. It is a separate product/download. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:25, Dave Carlson wrote: Mike, Is MS Edge part of the Office 365 suite, or a separate download? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker On Jun 27,

Re: whitch Macbook pro

For those with TouchBar MacBook Pros, if you are not aware, in most use-cases, holding down VO + Fn, will allow the number row keys to perform as F-keys. Additionally, holding down the Fn key, will allow the Tab key to function as the Escape key. This should be true for all Macs running macOS

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Andy, I don't know how many USBs the new MacBook Airs have, but I can tell you that when I replace this MacBook Pro, it will probably be with an Air. I'm very meh about the Pro, but I absolutely loved my Air. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:19 AM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries >

Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

Mike, Is MS Edge part of the Office 365 suite, or a separate download? Dave Carlson Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You can definitely

Microsoft Edge on the Mac

I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover reads things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make Edge

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Donna. I'd agree with you 100% . Why use up a perfectly good USB which you may rarely use. Perhaps this is an option I can add to my new Mac set up.t, though the number of USB's and the quality of the keyboard are of great importance to me. I love the Apple External full-size USB

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Chuck, Yes I have one of those hubs. Sure, there’s now only a single cable connected, but a bunch connected to the hub. Same spaghetti. And don’t let me get started on these new USB C jacks. It only means that now I have to have a collection of USB A/C adapters laying around. And what’s wrong

Re: whitch Macbook pro

That is what I just said. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 04:33, Simon A Fogarty wrote: Yes brad the specs on the pro are better than the specs of the air, However if you don’t need to get a high end processor which really isn’t that different to that from the air and also save yourself money

Re: whitch Macbook pro

No, the Air is a real Mac running the macOS operating system. It is a great option for most Mac users. - Brad - On Jun 27, 2020, at 04:31, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi Brad. I've never touched one, but is the Air not just a tablet with close together keys? Andy. > -

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Dave, What about a hub. 1 cable to the hub then let that be the cable cluster! BTW dvd/cd burners are still used every day for some recording clients that like them. So I always have to have a cd burner hooked up for clients needs. Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe" "Albert

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Yeah, but how often do you really need a DVD drive? I bought a portable one that I keep in a desk drawer, and only connect it when I need it. About the only thing I ever use it for is importing CDs into my iTunes library, which I rarely need to do now, as most of my music has already been

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Andrew, Pretty sure it does. But it was so long ago. Again the David Woodbridge podcast helps a lot to understand what needs to be done. What’s really nice is that these virtual buttons are context-sensitive and speak their purpose as you glide/swipe across them. No more guessing. Dave Carlson

Re: whitch Macbook pro

How true, Ann. So that means yet one more cable to hook to my nice beautiful sleek MBP so that with a power cord, keyboard, iPhone sync cable, and DVD drive, it starts to look like my old Windows PC with spaghetti all around it. Dave Carlson Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and

Is there a braille command for moving to the dock in IOS?

Hi all, Subject says it all. Is there a command that will take you directly to the dock on a braille display? I know the dot-456 chord will take you to the bottom of the screen, but then you still have to scroll backward to get to the top of the dock. I'm hoping there's some way to just move

Zoom breakout rooms?

Hi all, Does anyone have experience setting up Zoom breakout rooms? Is that process accessible? Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPad -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if

Re: Books app on mac and braille.

Hi Anders, The Books app on the Mac is not very intuitive, but it’s much better in IOS. I read books in braille on my phone and my iPad all the time. I would definitely recommend giving your iPad a try. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPad > On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: >

Books app on mac and braille.

Hi! I am tryng to read a book in the books app with braille. To be honest its not very intuitive. So i was thinking if it would be easier to do this on my Ipad Mini 4 instead? What do you all think? Thanks. /A -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Lol I thought about that. Not saying I’ll buy 1.0, but I know that once the Macs with the new architecture are out, I will want one. So, not being independently wealthy and thus able to buy a new Mac every year, I’m going to wait. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPad > On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:53 AM,

Re: Question regarding the Doc on Mac.

I don’t get anything like that, but I set up where command n will open my downloads so I never use the doc, not for anything honestly. On Jun 27, 2020, at 9:52 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries wrote: Yo everyone! This is Gary here. Please can anyone tell me if they have noticed something

Re: whitch Macbook pro

I understand the attraction of the new platform. Then there's the competing concern that says: "Never buy 1.0 of anything." Best, Janina 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes: > Mine is a late 2013 model MacBook Pro. It just makes the compatibility list > for Mac OS Big Sur, if I’m reading

Question regarding the Doc on Mac.

Yo everyone! This is Gary here. Please can anyone tell me if they have noticed something strange recently. I'm talking to my friend in Australia, he has noticed something strange with the Doc on Mac. When he goes to say Downloads, when he presses Enter a menu comes up on the screen, but

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Mine is a late 2013 model MacBook Pro. It just makes the compatibility list for Mac OS Big Sur, if I’m reading correctly. There are some situations in which it runs into performance difficulties (e.g., trying to use Microsoft Outlook for Mac to write email whilst in a Microsoft Teams meeting).

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Andy, The Air is smaller, thinner, and lighter. I strongly prefer the keyboard on my Air, and would say there’s more separation than on the keyboard on my Pro. (However, that’s a little bit like comparing Apples and Oranges, because my Pro unfortunately has the butterfly keyboard.) Any more,

Re: whitch Macbook pro

I would add that I also use an MBP with a touch bar. I’ve gotten used to it, but I’m not really a fan. I love how it’s contextualized, but I almost always have to tap it three or four times to get it to activate. Overall, I would say using the touch bar is slower than using function keys. I’m

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Just to throw something else into the mix here, I’d been thinking about replacing my 2017 MBP, but have decided to wait till the Macs with the new silicon chip are released. Something to think about, unless you really need to replace it now. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPad > On Jun 27, 2020,

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi ET, Like Janina, I kept my 2013 Macbook Air when I bought my 2017 MBP. Though the Pro is by far the better computer, I still prefer my Air. I like the keyboard better, and, though I’ve gotten used to the touch bar, I still prefer having function keys. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPad > On

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Dave. I remember when I purchased my second hand 2013 Macbook Pro, one of the first things I got assistance with was changing the buttons along the top to act just like Keys. I know Iprobably will ever need the 5 and the 8, but does this change need to be done with the newer swipe bar? Or

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive anymore. Cheers, Anne > On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi Simon. > > I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that. -- The following information is

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Good to hear about that butterfly keyboard. Not happy with it. Maybe a good reason to upgrade to the latest MBP... Dave Carlson Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any

Re: whitch Macbook pro

I have the 15-inch MBP with the touchbar. It’s quite easy to master, after listening to the Applevis presentation by David Woodbridge. I have marked the f5 and f8 and SIRI positions across the top of the bar to help orient to the more important locations. And the Touch ID works very well. Dave

Re: whitch Macbook pro

FYI: Apple offered me $160 for my 2013 era 11' Air when I bought my Mac Mini a couple months ago. I declined and kept the Air. At the moment it's a handy sized laptop I sometimes use in bed, when I'm too lazy to head down the hall. Hey, I can cast from it, so why not? Where I to get serious and

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Simon. I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that. My 2013 Macbook Pro has a decent keyboard as the keys are quite distinctive. I use an external full size keyboard because it has a full numeric keypad and it has about 3 USB'S. It's very sturdy and feels so

RE: whitch Macbook pro

No, It’s a full notebook but with a lower rated processor than the pro, Smaller body size such as thinner / lighter. And less USb ports. Other than that they do very much the same thing as each other. Oh and the pros have the touch bar which the air doesn’t have. From: 'andrew' via

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi July. I hate my Phone. I've had three of them now and simply haven't spent enough time learning about the command swipes, so I just use my phone for emergency cover when in town. Bit of a waste eh? I like my 2013 Macbook pro as it has a reasonable keyboard with no swip bar and I can use

RE: whitch Macbook pro

Yes brad the specs on the pro are better than the specs of the air, However if you don’t need to get a high end processor which really isn’t that different to that from the air and also save yourself money then the air is a good device, From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of

Re: whitch Macbook pro

Hi Brad. I've never touched one, but is the Air not just a tablet with close together keys? Andy. - Original Message - From: Brad Snyder To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:42 AM Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro don’t be fooled by the

RE: whitch Macbook pro

Yeah the butterfly keyboard has gone! They have redesigned the keyboard again and it's much nicer I think to type on than the butterfly KB was. I did like the new air, And with a quad core processor and up to 16GB ram you can get a nice machine The T1 chip caused me some trouble though as it

Re: whitch Macbook pro

don’t be fooled by the specs. The processor in the MacBook Pro smokes the processor in the Air. If all you want to do is email and browse the web, then go for the Air. If you want to do real work, there is no substitute for the MacBook Pro. Just don’t waste your money on the bottom level