Not exactly. When Berkeley Systems went bankrupt, Alva bought Outspoken during
the assets sale for a good price because they wanted the Windows code. They let
the Mac version die immediately and ported the windows code into their own
projects.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gma
avid Chittenden
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>
> Hello,
>
> Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader for OSX.
> FS refused, so Apple took development in-house
Indeed, the education sector/section-508 (in the US) looks, on the existing
evidence at least, to have been the cause for Apple’s commitment. A shame, I
suppose, that it always takes legislation to set of this sort of thing.
Can you remember when about which period it was that your institution
According to wikipedia Berkeley systems was bought out by Sierra Online
in 1997 for $13.8M. Sierra was bought by Vivendi and apparently was then
folded into iwin.com. I've met Peter Korn who was one of the primary
Windows developers of outspoken. A very smart and gentle person.
CB
On 3/31/15
I worked in an educational environment and we had to get rid of our Macs
during the period when there was no screen reader for the version of Mac
OS that was current at the time. We weren't going to run an old version
of Mac OS. We switched a lot, I mean a lot, of machines over to Windows
and
avid Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
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*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 3:53 PM
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Hello,
Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to
Hi,
I was under the impression that Berkeley systems got bought by Alva and, this
is my own theory, they, Alva were more interested in Outspoken for Windows than
they were of the mac version. Am i correct in any of this?
/Krister
> 30 mar 2015 kl. 21:53 skrev David Chittenden :
>
> Hello,
>
>
Didn't the NFB or ACB kind of force Apple to develop a screen reader in
line with the ADA? This may be something I just read and so is pure
speculation.
On 31/03/2015 00:56, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
I wonder what the catalyst was for Apple’s ultimate choice to develop their
screen reader?
I wonder what the catalyst was for Apple’s ultimate choice to develop their
screen reader? The education sector? Government? The mythical two blind
sons? Certainly the APIs are now available for the development of an AT
solution, so it’s entirely possible, technically. But it doesn’t surpri
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Hello,
Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader for OSX.
FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.
Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once in the mid
90's. I suspect Apple di
Hello,
Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader for OSX. FS
refused, so Apple took development in-house.
Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once in the mid
90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group for screen reader
developmen
trom
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
But isn’t Voiceover the best screen reader in the world?:-) Smiles
No but seriously, isn’t it because the screen readers we love those that
suits our need th
Hello,
> On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl wrote:
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover in the first
> place was that the only company making a screen reader for Mac OS went out
> of business. If that company couldn't survive before voiceover, it certainly
I've heard that point about Apple's responsiveness before. I am a
somewhat casual Mac user and I don't have a good way to gauge the value
of that point. But I brought it up on another list and got soundly
trashed for it. But I don't know enough about voiceovers flaws to defend
the point. What
I dunno, really. I am fortunate enough to have access to three commercial
screen readers for Windows (Window-Eyes, Supernova and JAWS) as well as to NVDA
and of course VoiceOver on the Mac, the latter of which just happens to be my
primary combination. I’m still not convinced that’s enough. C
essage -
>> From: Christopher-Mark Gilland <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>>
Phone beats Jaws any
> day.
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White Macbook
> - Original Message -
> From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>
>
d iPhone beats Jaws
>> any day.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White Macbook
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
>> Subje
topher-Mark Gilland
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Shawn,
This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs.
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Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list
named Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us
aren't experiencing. The thing is, App
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I have to agree with the believer, here. I don't know what you guys are
talking about. Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on the
cutting edge. I agree that Tim
Just the bluetooth keyboards
Sent from my phone
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Erik Heil wrote:
>
> Hey there, how are you doing? Exactly what problems are you talking about? I
> am by running version 8.2, and don't have any issues at all. Any problem I do
> have is specifically in Safari. F
Hey there, how are you doing? Exactly what problems are you talking about? I am
by running version 8.2, and don't have any issues at all. Any problem I do have
is specifically in Safari. For some reason, and some sites, you will not be
able to use the swipe navigation to go through webpages. Sim
din <mailto:doniado...@me.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>>
>> I have to agree with the believer, here. I don't kno
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From: "Jon Solitro"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Ipad 2 and zag keys Bluetooth keyboard
Sent from my phone
On Mar 28, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Christo
ers.
>>> Em 28/03/2015 03:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
>>>> Whatever people. I'm telling you that Apple did break it, yes, but that
>>>> is the key word... Did!
>>>>
>>>> Things work very well now, and if you don't
s/red lights
tend to wreck more frequently? Point made, I hope. LOL!
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- Original Message -
From: "Devin Prater"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>> - Original Message ----- From: "The Believer"
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>>
>>
>> It ain't broke now. iOS 8.2 is on both my iPhone and iPad.
>>
&g
Gilland
> wrote:
>
> Totally agree. Actually, it works quite well.
>
> Chris.
>
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> - Original Message - From: "The Believer"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:11 AM
> Sub
nformation.
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- Original Message -
From: "Anne Robertson"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Hello Jon,
Apparently, the update to iOS 8.2 stopped devices
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- Original Message -
From: "Jon Solitro"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
It's good that you mentioned the bluetooth keyboard issue. Just updated last
night and now my keyboard doesn't work
Message - From: "David Griffith"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a
small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
We normally have grown up discussions on
Saturday, March 28, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
There are Braille display issues as well. I am awaiting the day when we can
type normally on the display, and not have the device lock up if you are a fast
Brailler.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certi
nally found any myself.
I'd be interested though in your observations more specifically.
Chris.
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- Original Message -
From: "John Panarese"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: starting to ge
- Original Message -
From: "David Griffith"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a
small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
We normally have grown up
thing worthwhile.
Chris.
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- Original Message -
From: Donna Goodin
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I have to agree with the believer,
de which you have toward me, I genuniely hope that you
have a lovely day.
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From: mário navarro
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: star
--- Original Message -
From: mário navarro
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
shut your mouth silly!
everything is still unresolved ...
think first before you talk...
cheers.
Em 28/03/201
Totally agree. Actually, it works quite well.
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- Original Message -
From: "The Believer"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
It ain't broke
Hello Jon,
Apparently, the update to iOS 8.2 stopped devices using bluetooth 4.2
connecting to iOS devices. I encountered this problem with my Okoia bathroom
scales which communicate with the Airscale app and were working fine until I
updated from iOS 8.1.3 to iOS 8.2 at which point the connect
gt; Things work very well now, and if you don't believe me, tell me what you
>>>> had an issue with, and I'll make an audio demo showing it's been fixed.
>>>> Maybe then, you'll believe me.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>> ---
>>&
t believe me, tell me what you
>>> had an issue with, and I'll make an audio demo showing it's been fixed.
>>> Maybe then, you'll believe me.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>> ---
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>>> http://www.clgprodu
>>> Maybe then, you'll believe me.
>>>
>>> Chris.
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>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Pamela Francis
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
Maybe
>> then, you'll believe me.
>>
>> Chris.
>> ---
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>> - Original Message -----
>> From: Pamela Francis
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday,
- Original Message -
*From:* Jon Solitro <mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
The app
riginal Message -
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*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
The app is called Writ
is.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jon Solitro <mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries
ries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
I haven't been able to download it yet.
I know that many
ailto:gypsykitt...@gmail.com>
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*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I too have an Ipad 2. No way would I put IOS 8 on it. I am a firm
believ
It ain't broke now. iOS 8.2 is on both my iPhone and iPad.
From The Believer. . .
By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.
On 3/27/2015 7:48 PM, Pamela Francis wrote:
I too have an Ipad 2. No way would I put IOS 8 on i
eve me.
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- Original Message -
From: Pamela Francis
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I too have an Ipad 2. No way would
I too have an Ipad 2. No way would I put IOS 8 on it. I am a firm believer
in if it isn't broken don't fix it. Apple broke it.
On Mar 27, 2015 12:53 PM, "Jon Solitro" wrote:
> I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
> found a handwriting recognition app that nee
7;re just gonna have
to trust me with this.
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From: Jon Solitro
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Th
googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Solitro
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>
> I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
> found a handwriting re
: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I
update, or can I expect slower operation?
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma De
In short, you need to update if you expect to take advantage of app updates. As
IOS 8 is more widely used, more and more app developers will stop supporting
IOS7.
> On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jon Solitro wrote:
>
> I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
>
I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I
update, or can I expect slower operation?
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I don’t know about
Lol, understandable, I never owned an Ipod, but knew several people who simply
either used their old phones as Ipods, or gave them to their kids to do the
same thing with when they upgraded their own.
On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> I too love the iPod and think it s
I too love the iPod and think it should have got some love. But Apple wants
you to have a phone, so you'd better get one, and learn to love it.
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I'm just a little ticked that they didn't update the iPod model. No wonder iOS8
runs slowly on the iPod 5. It has the same specs as the iPhone 4s.
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>
> Ok, do these newer models come with IOS8, or are they still running 7?
>>
You need iTunes on a computer. Sign in to the iTunes Store within iTunes, go
to Purchased, find the U2 album, find the unlabelled button inside the group,
route the mouse to it quickly until you hear button announced twice (this is
the hide cross icon) and press VO+Space. Confirm. I dunno how
Sorry, I meant the U2 album; was trying to type too fast this morning.
On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> The U1 album doesn't have that option, we've all tried that and it's
> unavailable; there's something you have to do in Itunes, think you have to do
> it via the app store,
For the number constantly blaring, you have to press that same number again to
get it to stop; I learned that from a friend who had that same issue,
apparently it's a voiceover bug that still hasn't been fixed yet. I have
issues where siri is slow on my end too, it likes to do this thing someti
Yes, and, that means the digit registers twice not once. So, you have to
delete one of those two occurences.
Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in and fully protected
David,
Which ones are the Scansoft voices in Mavericks??
From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/15/2014 5:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:
I wonder what made you go back to Mountain Lion? I too found the upgrade
to Mavericks initially disturbing and o
I actually am having fun with both of my phones. One of them has come with iOS8
and one of them I upgraded. But I do sympathize with those experiencing
problems.
--
Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me
Usually, if you immediately press the sticking button again, the tone will stop
and you should be able to continue. But it has to be the tone that initially
started the tone.
--
Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
The
I actually am having fun with my phone because I have held off
upgrading to iOS 8.
From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/16/2014 9:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
Had my most fun iPhone IOS 8 experience last night and yes that is sarcasm. I
was st
The Recents tab on the phone is your friend in these cases. Just go there and
double tap on the number you want from the list. No dialing.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com
On Oct 16, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Had my most fun iPhone IOS 8 experience last night and yes t
Had my most fun iPhone IOS 8 experience last night and yes that is sarcasm. I
was standing in the pouring rain waiting for my ride and some how I had not
saved the phone number to my contacts so had to try and dial the car service
manually can't begin to tell you how much fun it was having the d
Google will find several solutions for you depending on different
factors.
From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/16/2014 5:19 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
The U1 album doesn't have that option, we've all tried that and it's
unavailable; there's some
The U1 album doesn't have that option, we've all tried that and it's
unavailable; there's something you have to do in Itunes, think you have to do
it via the app store, but can't remember if you have to do it via your phone,
or the computer, sense it doesn't show up in your itunes library.
On Oc
Well, I'm usually an early adopter for OS X releases, but as it happened I was
aware in advance that Mavericks would be problematic to my workflow because my
MacBook Pro came with it, and still uses it now. Ironically, my holding off on
my iMac didn't protect me from an eventual desire to "Move
Hi all. For the record, I saw in a Twitter post that Bono, the lead singer of
U2, made a public apology for having Apple force download their album onto
people's iDevices. With that out of the way, I've said it before and I'll say
it again. With me the cool new features of iOS8 outweigh all the
Hi Jessica,
I'm running IOS 8.0.2 on an iphone 6. I have to reboot the thing every second
day to get an alright experience. There are sometimes up to 1.5 second lags
between interface groups when I run my finger across the screen, such as when
fingering from normal apps to dock apps, and a whol
Hi Barry,
I don’t need an album that I didn’t want in the first place pasted all over
like a bad rash :)
I did listen to it shortly, but it feels like they were invited at x-factor and
lolled children to some “we are the world, we are the people” type
pontification. This is the French in me sp
If the offensive music is not already downloaded to your device, go
to Settings > Music and toggle the Show All Music to off.
From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/15/2014 7:38 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Need to get rid of an album from your phone?
Need to get rid of an album from your phone? Just focus on the album and swipe
one finger quickly up and double tap.
Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in and fully pr
The 6 and later has ios8 on them.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>
> Ok, do these newer models come with IOS8, or are they still running 7?
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>
>> The 8.0.1 and 8.0.2 updates were released rath
Ok, do these newer models come with IOS8, or are they still running 7?
On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> The 8.0.1 and 8.0.2 updates were released rather quickly after the initial
> iOS 8 release. While the bugs seem to be quite egregious, I would presume
> most peopl
Which version of IOS8 are you running, I updated my 4S, and it's running really
sluggishly, but have up until reading this thread, heard really good reviews
about the 6
On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
> I just had a crash with my iPhone 6 on iOS 8 where I had to restore
> it. T
Ok, I couldn't have said that better myself, and there's a way to get rid of
that album, but can't remember how right off; you may have to google it, sense
I deleted the e-mail someone on another list sent me sense I was done with it.
I love Apple's products, and wouldn't go back to what I used
I think that you and others are going to have to eventually get over the
fact that you got a free U2 album.
My new iPhone 5s comes tomorrow, so I'll join in on the IOS bitch fest
another day. I've been using a 4, so I haven't been able to test 8 at all.
I'm in agreement in regards to some of yo
All that before coffee? Wow! You da man!
I didn't understand much of it but I sure liked the spirit!
Sent from my IPhone
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say
> that the experienc
I wonder what made you go back to Mountain Lion? I too found the upgrade
to Mavericks initially disturbing and originally considering trying to
revert but find most things work fine nowadays, even iBooks is more
usable now.
In my case the key on my 2011 iMac was to
1. Do a clean install.
2. G
Superlative little rant, that. :)
For myself, I'm back on Mountain Lion for my primary machine, a mid-11 iMac, to
get an email client that displays plain text messages, a working C compiler
compatible with much Open Source software, and no bloody iBooks. It's still
iOSified, but at least it fu
The 8.0.1 and 8.0.2 updates were released rather quickly after the
initial iOS 8 release. While the bugs seem to be quite egregious, I
would presume most people would rather the next one take longer in the
hopes that most of these irksome little buglets get worked out.
This is why I am s
waw man, well spoken.
I admire your courage ...
who believes that the 8.1 update will clear the problems of voice over /
accessibility?
I do not!
even half of them will not be solved ...
this update to be good for us, would have to be resolved about 45 bugs.
and I'm talking about the mos
I just had a crash with my iPhone 6 on iOS 8 where I had to restore
it. The Lire app was sluggish, and I rebooted the phone. THen the
Apple logo appeared for a few seconds, and it would then turn itself
off.
Frequently it is as is the phone somehow resets itself.
Somewhat often I get apps that
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