Re: I need help with backing up my iphone on the mac

[Joseph Hudson]

Oh I definitely agree, I just restored for mine just the other day when I got 
my new phone and it was a success.
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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:28 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Keep in mind the non encrypted backup will not backup important data. So 
> its worth creating a password and remembering what it is.
> 
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> On 9/18/2016 12:58 AM, Helga Schreiber wrote:
>> Hi Elayneh! How are you? So you just need to connect your phone,dn it
>> will open iTunes automatically if you have it se t that way. So when you
>> hav eit connected to the mac, just do Vo right arrow or left arrow
>> tonavigate to where it says the name of you riPhne. the name of your
>> iPhone it iwill be pop up button, which you need to do Vo space bar and
>> it wil open the options fo ryou, Aftr you do vo space bar, you ned to
>> find something that says Scroll area. You need to interact with it, by
>> doing vO shift down arrow, adn you wil find option sof you riPhone, nd i
>> twill say all yoru iPhne summary, hen i will give you options to back up
>> adn so on. You will find back button, yyou just need to double tap on it
>> to back up your iphone. However, before you double tap on it, make sure
>> you selecte the option to back up to the computer instead o of iCloud k?
>> Once you have you have check, then yu can double tap on back up. There
>> is two ways to back up. You can do an incripted uback up whre you ned to
>> put a password, or you cando a manual back up and so on. I recommen dyou
>> the manual bsck up since the incripted back up, you ned to create a
>> password, dn you can forget it. Hope hit shelps some@ I fyou need more
>> help with this let us know! I look forward in hearing from you soon.
>> Thanks and God bless!
>> 
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>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:44 AM, elayneh > 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>> can someone give me instructions on backing up my iphone. the problem
>>> is I don't know where or how to find the area to do the backup. I also
>>> need to nknow wich commands to use.I am using l capitain . thanks
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes. Send those logs to Accessibility.

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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
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> Shawn wrote:
> 
> I'll do that when I feel like crashing my computer which should be fun lol.
> 
> ROFL!  Uh, yee'eeah.  That's about the size of it.  But no, seriously, what 
> e-mail do we then sent that diag to?  Normally, when I've created those 
> things, Apple sends me a website via e-mail where I upload the file to be 
> attached to a particular opened case I have with a senior advisor.
> 
> So, do we just send to accessibility?  Plus, aren't those files generally 
> several hundred megs?  Or am I thinking of a different type of diag test.  I 
> know Apple's had me do one a few times, and it was pretty big.
> 
> Definitely definitely not something I would a wanted to a sent over plain 
> e-mail; that's for darn sure.  LOL!
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

For one thing, braille support works fantastically.  So much so, let me tell 
you something.


I've got here an Alva Satalite 584 Pro.  Tell me a screen reader in Windows 
may I add, a modern screen reader, that works with it straight out of the 
box, just by plugging it in via USB, not even plugging in the power cord, 
and just letting it run bus powered.  I guarantee you, you won't find one, 
as it's too obsolete.  Now, on the mac side with the most up to date version 
of OSX, regardless the type of mac, ok, fine, newer systems, you'll need a 
USB to USB C adapter, but big freakin' deal, they're like, what, 10, maybe 
15 bucks on Amazon, if even that, and that's not even for just prime 
membership pricing?  Anyway, you plug it in, and boom!  No need even to 
start Voiceover back up to refresh things.  It just works.  Might I add, 
seeing that OSX is based off of Darwin, which is based off Unix, oh, and 
might I add, Linux is also based off of Unix, and being I know Linux uses 
the BRLTTY interface, odds are, so does OSX.  I don't know that for a fact, 
so don't put proverbial words in my mouth that I never fully clamed, but if 
I had to guess, I'd say it's incredibly likely that it's using that same 
engine.


I find foreign language support to be freaking steller on the mac with 
braille, etc.  Look at all the new voices that came out with OSX once 
Mavericks was released.  Then, with El Capitan, we got even more, like Ava, 
Alison, etc.


On a final note, you say that the Linux terminal doesn't really give you 
good support for social media.  This depends on what you're defining as 
social media.  If you're talking about Twitter, for example, then why not 
use something like ttytter.  And before anyone makes a real smarky smart 
butt joke about that which would be totally disgusting, look at how that is 
spelled, as I didn't say, t i t t e r.  I said, t t y! t t e r.


My point is, I feel you have every right to your opinion, and though I 
totally disagree with you, I'll stand for you to be able to speak your right 
of opinion until the end.  I don't think the mac's really degraded that much 
though like you say you fear.  Are there issues that need to be fixed, which 
have been over and over reported?  Yes.  Is it totally irritating that Apple 
hasn't fixed them?  Yes.  Absolutely it is!  But, I  don't know I'd go so 
far as to say the mac is totally degrading.  That's a bit overkill in my 
probably by most observed, not, so humble opinion.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Devin Prater" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra


Well, using Linux in the console, if you can get used to it, is very 
accessible, but not moddern enough to be very productive in today's social 
media stuff. Yes, the Mac accessibility is usable, but for how much longer? 
How much more will it degrade? That's what I worry about.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2016, at 5:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Last shot at this for now. Show me another platform that rises above 
all. The next best enterprise we could look to would be advances in 
medical science. I will leave it at that. (smiles)


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On 9/28/2016 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
And unlike the big boys, you cannot improve Voiceover yourself. If 
something doesn't work, sorry. Beg the developer to fix it, or find some 
other program that works but may not work as well, such as Parallels, we 
must use VMWare. Also, if you need better braille support, you have to 
fiddle around and try and get BRLTTY to work, and even then it's just for 
the terminal. All in all, openness has pretty big advantages.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2016, at 1:43 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 And unlike the big boys, all accessibility tools are not only included, 
they work out of the box.


 At the end of the day, the initial high cost is just that. Also unlike 
the big boys and third party developers, there is no need of SMAs or 
added costs to keep up.


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On 9/28/2016 11:38 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
No bloatware as far as I am concerned. With every single mac you 
purchase, Apple Store or otherwise, comes no bloatware unlike the big 
PC boys like Acer or HP.
On 28 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac 
with Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?

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- Original Message - From: "-dan d." 
To: "Alex Hall" 

Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Shawn wrote:

I'll do that when I feel like crashing my computer which should be fun lol.

ROFL!  Uh, yee'eeah.  That's about the size of it.  But no, seriously, what 
e-mail do we then sent that diag to?  Normally, when I've created those 
things, Apple sends me a website via e-mail where I upload the file to be 
attached to a particular opened case I have with a senior advisor.


So, do we just send to accessibility?  Plus, aren't those files generally 
several hundred megs?  Or am I thinking of a different type of diag test.  I 
know Apple's had me do one a few times, and it was pretty big.


Definitely definitely not something I would a wanted to a sent over plain 
e-mail; that's for darn sure.  LOL!


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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

Could this be a disk permissions thing?  Is there a way in Disk Utility that 
we can check/repair?  I know since El Capitan, they removed that option from 
Disk Utility, as it's kind a supposed to do that stuff automatically, isn't 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Singing Sparrow" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.


Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after
downloading the voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it
went back to alex what in the world?


On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any 
problems.


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On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

O As I'm about to update to 10.12
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 
make sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which 
is not going to screw up my machine?


Cheers,


Simon F

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it 
is after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to 
boot.



On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about 
this issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. 
It's strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this 
right away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have 
them. They never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help 
installing one I can guide you through how to do it.



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
they haven't had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
me as to what i can do to fix this problem.


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Re: parallels access

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Huh?  Parallels is available for iOS?  This is new news to me.  LOL!  I wonder 
what on earth it does?  Now, you've got me curious.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: mattias 
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:52 PM
  Subject: SV: parallels access


  Ah my bad..

  I should have writed parallels access for ipad

   

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  Ämne: Re: parallels access

   

  My point was, you asked about Parallels, which is a mac based program which 
runs on a mac.  This is why I wrote and said  it's not accessible, but to check 
out Fusion.  How was I to know ahead of time you didn't have a mac, and just 
further for your info.  No.  Not everyone on here has a mac, let alone a 
macbook, but that wasn't what you were asking.

   

  You were asking about a piece of software which was designed to run on a mac. 
 You asked if it was accessible, I said no, then gave you an alternative.  I'm 
sorry if I did wrong by doing so.

   

  I'm done trying to answer this particular thread, as I see it going 
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From: mattias 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:15 PM

Subject: SV: parallels access

 

What? So all here own a macbook?

Don’t think so

Some people here maybe own a ipad only

Or maybe only iphone..

 

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Ämne: Re: parallels access

 

Well, you did! ask about this on a mac based mailing list, so, the 
assumption was made.  NO offense intended.  I mean that with all due respect.  
Smile.

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  From: mattias 

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  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:39 AM

  Subject: SV: parallels access

   

  Yes if I owned a macbook

   

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  Ämne: Re: parallels access

   

  Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare 
Fusion.

   

  http://www.vmware.com/fusion

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From: mattias 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:15 AM

Subject: parallels access

 

Sounds intresting

But are it accessible?

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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[E.T.]

   I am not sure that its practical to look into the future and wonder 
"how much longer". I think its self defeating. Without a doubt, more can 
be done especially with braille support. I prefer to keep plugging away 
at what I use now and do MY best to make it work for me.


   I do not think I have been using a Mac long enough to agree or 
disagree that accessibility is degrading. I hear the frustration. I keep 
mine to myself. (smiles) I contend however, that the mainstream market 
as a whole is evolving so rapidly that more issues crop up and we as 
blind consumers are not the only ones affected.


   So let's choose a volunteer here who excels in braille and ship 
him/her off to Apple.


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On 9/28/2016 4:00 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

Well, using Linux in the console, if you can get used to it, is very 
accessible, but not moddern enough to be very productive in today's social 
media stuff. Yes, the Mac accessibility is usable, but for how much longer? How 
much more will it degrade? That's what I worry about.

Sent from my iPhone


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  Last shot at this for now. Show me another platform that rises above all. The 
next best enterprise we could look to would be advances in medical science. I 
will leave it at that. (smiles)

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On 9/28/2016 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
And unlike the big boys, you cannot improve Voiceover yourself. If something 
doesn't work, sorry. Beg the developer to fix it, or find some other program 
that works but may not work as well, such as Parallels, we must use VMWare. 
Also, if you need better braille support, you have to fiddle around and try and 
get BRLTTY to work, and even then it's just for the terminal. All in all, 
openness has pretty big advantages.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2016, at 1:43 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 And unlike the big boys, all accessibility tools are not only included, they 
work out of the box.

 At the end of the day, the initial high cost is just that. Also unlike the big 
boys and third party developers, there is no need of SMAs or added costs to 
keep up.

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On 9/28/2016 11:38 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
No bloatware as far as I am concerned. With every single mac you purchase, 
Apple Store or otherwise, comes no bloatware unlike the big PC boys like Acer 
or HP.
On 28 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac with 
Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?
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- Original Message - From: "-dan d." 
To: "Alex Hall" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra



No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
marketing approach.

Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
user.


On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:

You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple has 
to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be usable. 
Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but 
eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.

It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the same 
thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get the 
latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their customers, and 
on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old 
phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about the stuttering 
animations, the missing features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can 
either cut off old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being 
responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and get 
hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.

On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance 

Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello tim:
when I'm in the disk utility, here is what I have exactly.
outside the table, it says, selected disks row 2 or 3, disk 0 selected.
when I interact with the table, I can see the disk 0 and mac os bass
system, but the 1st item I can not access it, it says, space, and when
I close the table, I can access the  number 2 and 3 in the list.
so,  does the 1st item in the table is my NTFS SSD? and if so, how can
I access it?
the mac refuse to make me eraise or particion it.
Thanks


On 9/29/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Thanks so much i have a hd without a name
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the
>> "Select a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make
>> sure that you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't
>> appear to work, you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the
>> Partition tab, choose that you wish to create one partition, MacOS
>> Extended (Journaled) and that should get rid of the NTFS stuff.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac
>> mini.
>> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
>> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
>> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
>> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
>> I took the unit and came to my studio,
>> press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
>> OSX, I choose disk utility,
>> but, I can not find the SSD here.
>> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
>> I think this is not the SSD of cores,
>> so, what can I do now?
>> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
>> will it make difference?
>> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
>> image?need your advice
>>
>>
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[David Chittenden]

Rubbish, it is Samsung which has the reputation for seldom upgrading existing 
OS on mobile phones which are already in the market. Apple supports upgrades 
for several years, and does not charge for the upgrades. If you do not want the 
latest software, do not install it. And yes, the latest software, on any 
system, is built to access and run on the latest hardware.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29/09/2016, at 01:27, -dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a 
> marketing approach.
> 
> Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end user.
> 
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>> You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
>> systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
>> requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple 
>> has to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be 
>> usable. Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x 
>> machines, but eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.
>> 
>> It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the 
>> same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get 
>> the latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their 
>> customers, and on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if 
>> Apple gave old phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about 
>> the stuttering animations, the missing features, the slow response times, 
>> and so on. Apple can either cut off old machines and get hammered about 
>> money-grubbing and not being responsible for their customers, or they can 
>> support old machines and get hammered about poor performance and not 
>> supporting new features.
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
>>> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
>>> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
>>> 
>>> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
>>> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
>>> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
>>> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
>>> smoke alarms start going off.
>>> 
>>> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
>>> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
>>> the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
>>> giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
>>> conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
>>> All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Devin Prater]

Well, using Linux in the console, if you can get used to it, is very 
accessible, but not moddern enough to be very productive in today's social 
media stuff. Yes, the Mac accessibility is usable, but for how much longer? How 
much more will it degrade? That's what I worry about.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 5:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Last shot at this for now. Show me another platform that rises above all. 
> The next best enterprise we could look to would be advances in medical 
> science. I will leave it at that. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/28/2016 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> And unlike the big boys, you cannot improve Voiceover yourself. If something 
>> doesn't work, sorry. Beg the developer to fix it, or find some other program 
>> that works but may not work as well, such as Parallels, we must use VMWare. 
>> Also, if you need better braille support, you have to fiddle around and try 
>> and get BRLTTY to work, and even then it's just for the terminal. All in 
>> all, openness has pretty big advantages.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 1:43 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  And unlike the big boys, all accessibility tools are not only included, 
>>> they work out of the box.
>>> 
>>>  At the end of the day, the initial high cost is just that. Also unlike the 
>>> big boys and third party developers, there is no need of SMAs or added 
>>> costs to keep up.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
> On 9/28/2016 11:38 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
> No bloatware as far as I am concerned. With every single mac you 
> purchase, Apple Store or otherwise, comes no bloatware unlike the big PC 
> boys like Acer or HP.
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac 
> with Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?
> ---
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "-dan d." 
> To: "Alex Hall" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra
> 
> 
> 
> No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
> marketing approach.
> 
> Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
> user.
> 
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>> You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New 
>> operating systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, 
>> and other requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and 
>> poorly. Apple has to decide where those problems become so great that 
>> the OS would not be usable. Yes, they can disable certain parts, like 
>> Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but eventually they'd be disabling more 
>> than they'd leave.
>> 
>> It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear 
>> the same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone 
>> didn't get the latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is 
>> abandoning their customers, and on and on. (I'm not accusing you of 
>> saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old phones an upgrade the next year, 
>> people would complain about the stuttering animations, the missing 
>> features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can either cut off 
>> old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being 
>> responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and 
>> get hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
>>> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this 
>>> because
>>> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
>>> 
>>> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied 
>>> the 7
>>> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
>>> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a 
>>> chance Mr
>>> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
>>> smoke alarms start going off.
>>> 
>>> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components 
>>> in
>>> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go 
>>> 

Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[E.T.]

   Last shot at this for now. Show me another platform that rises above 
all. The next best enterprise we could look to would be advances in 
medical science. I will leave it at that. (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/28/2016 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

And unlike the big boys, you cannot improve Voiceover yourself. If something 
doesn't work, sorry. Beg the developer to fix it, or find some other program 
that works but may not work as well, such as Parallels, we must use VMWare. 
Also, if you need better braille support, you have to fiddle around and try and 
get BRLTTY to work, and even then it's just for the terminal. All in all, 
openness has pretty big advantages.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2016, at 1:43 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  And unlike the big boys, all accessibility tools are not only included, they 
work out of the box.

  At the end of the day, the initial high cost is just that. Also unlike the 
big boys and third party developers, there is no need of SMAs or added costs to 
keep up.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 9/28/2016 11:38 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
No bloatware as far as I am concerned. With every single mac you purchase, 
Apple Store or otherwise, comes no bloatware unlike the big PC boys like Acer 
or HP.

On 28 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac with 
Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "-dan d." 
To: "Alex Hall" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra



No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
marketing approach.

Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
user.


On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:

You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple has 
to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be usable. 
Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but 
eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.

It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the same 
thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get the 
latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their customers, and 
on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old 
phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about the stuttering 
animations, the missing features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can 
either cut off old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being 
responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and get 
hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.

On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much i have a hd without a name

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faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the "Select 
> a Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make sure that 
> you format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't appear to work, 
> you may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the Partition tab, choose 
> that you wish to create one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) and that 
> should get rid of the NTFS stuff.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac mini.
> the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
> blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
> listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
> SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
> I took the unit and came to my studio,
> press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
> OSX, I choose disk utility,
> but, I can not find the SSD here.
> I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
> I think this is not the SSD of cores,
> so, what can I do now?
> of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
> will it make difference?
> i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
> image?need your advice
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Devin Prater]

And unlike the big boys, you cannot improve Voiceover yourself. If something 
doesn't work, sorry. Beg the developer to fix it, or find some other program 
that works but may not work as well, such as Parallels, we must use VMWare. 
Also, if you need better braille support, you have to fiddle around and try and 
get BRLTTY to work, and even then it's just for the terminal. All in all, 
openness has pretty big advantages. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 1:43 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   And unlike the big boys, all accessibility tools are not only included, 
> they work out of the box.
> 
>   At the end of the day, the initial high cost is just that. Also unlike the 
> big boys and third party developers, there is no need of SMAs or added costs 
> to keep up.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/28/2016 11:38 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> No bloatware as far as I am concerned. With every single mac you purchase, 
>> Apple Store or otherwise, comes no bloatware unlike the big PC boys like 
>> Acer or HP.
>>> On 28 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac with 
>>> Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "-dan d." 
>>> To: "Alex Hall" 
>>> Cc: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
>>> marketing approach.
>>> 
>>> Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
>>> user.
>>> 
 On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:
 
 You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
 systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
 requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple 
 has to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not 
 be usable. Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x 
 machines, but eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.
 
 It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the 
 same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't 
 get the latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their 
 customers, and on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if 
 Apple gave old phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain 
 about the stuttering animations, the missing features, the slow response 
 times, and so on. Apple can either cut off old machines and get hammered 
 about money-grubbing and not being responsible for their customers, or 
 they can support old machines and get hammered about poor performance and 
 not supporting new features.
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
> 
> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance 
> Mr
> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
> smoke alarms start going off.
> 
> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
> the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
> giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
> conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
> All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
> 
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Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If it was installed properly, you should only see a few items in the "Select a 
Disk" table.  Try formatting the first item in that list.  Make sure that you 
format it as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  If that doesn't appear to work, you 
may need to use the Partition tab instead.  In the Partition tab, choose that 
you wish to create one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) and that should 
get rid of the NTFS stuff.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:
Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac mini.
the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
I took the unit and came to my studio,
press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
OSX, I choose disk utility,
but, I can not find the SSD here.
I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
I think this is not the SSD of cores,
so, what can I do now?
of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
will it make difference?
i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
image?need your advice


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Re: Keychain and passwords.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That wouldn't hurt.  Probably is a good idea anytime you're going to do 
something that could have you lose data.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 28, 2016, at 15:22, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
So this means i should do an encrypted backup on my iphone first?
Thanks.
/A
> 27 sep. 2016 kl. 19:52 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, they should be.  Although, "should" is my favourite word I use when 
> helping people with tech issues.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 27, 2016, at 09:36, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> If i reset my Iphones network settings and then connect it to my Wifi will 
> all network passwords be restored if i have Keychain turned on?
> Thanks.
> /A
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[gs]

I was optimistic that I would get this solved. However, it is not happening as 
of now. Has anyone else come up with a solution?
On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, and 
then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the source 
of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to before 
getting to the headline.
Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find a 
way to change it back.
Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
Thanks,
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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[matthew dyer]

Hi Andrew,

If you have a bootable usb drive connected, holding down the option key for a 
few seconds then pressing left arrow once to select it should work.  HTH.

Matthew


> On Sep 28, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> Hi Listers,
> 
> Is it at all possible to downgrade from OS Sierra to El Capitan again?  If 
> yes, would it require a clean install of El Capitan and thus loss of all the 
> data?  Although my late 2010 Macbook air is listed by Apple as being capable 
> of running Sierra, I wonder whether it is too much to ask of it.  It may be 
> just on the border, and If I were not to be able to use Alex on it because of 
> the crashes, I'd be inconsolable.  No other voice seems to come up to 
> scratch.  And other voices seem to be more sluggish as well as interpret 
> things somewhat differently.
> 
> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have 
> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only 
> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key 
> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I 
> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left 
> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't remember 
> which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?
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Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
Today, I did what I told you about, I put my 128 nGB ssd into my mac mini.
the technition, does not have time to install system for me, he just
blugged the mac mini to a screen, and he power the unit on, we
listened to the chime, and he told me that if the mac didn't find the
SSD or any of it's componants, we will not here  this chime.
I took the unit and came to my studio,
press, command option r, and I got the place to reinstall my original
OSX, I choose disk utility,
but, I can not find the SSD here.
I found only the disk 0, it's an apple Image with 1.19 GB.
I think this is not the SSD of cores,
so, what can I do now?
of cores it was formatted to NTFS because it had windows on it, but
will it make difference?
i nee dto format it to ma c os, to use itand what is the DIsk 0, apple
image?need your advice


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Re: parallels access

[Anders Holmberg]

Its not.
/A
> 28 sep. 2016 kl. 15:15 skrev mattias :
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> Sounds intresting
> But are it accessible?
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Re: Keychain and passwords.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
So this means i should do an encrypted backup on my iphone first?
Thanks.
/A
> 27 sep. 2016 kl. 19:52 skrev Tim Kilburn :
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> Hi,
> 
> Yes, they should be.  Although, "should" is my favourite word I use when 
> helping people with tech issues.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Sep 27, 2016, at 09:36, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> If i reset my Iphones network settings and then connect it to my Wifi will 
> all network passwords be restored if i have Keychain turned on?
> Thanks.
> /A
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey guys. I got a reply back from Apple Accessibility. So they say that if 
Voiceover crashes while using Alex, they want you to do something called a 
SysDiagnose command by pressing Control+Option+Command+Shift+Period and send 
them the logs as attachments. I'll do that when I feel like crashing my 
computer which should be fun lol. *:P

Shawn
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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after downloading the 
> voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it went back to alex 
> what in the world?
> 
> 
> On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> O As I'm about to update to 10.12
>>> Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 
>>> make sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which 
>>> is not going to screw up my machine?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>>> 
>>> What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
>>> after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
 Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
 issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
 strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
 disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
 away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
 never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing 
 one I can guide you through how to do it.
 
 
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 Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
 what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
 pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
 working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
 at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
 they haven't had any problems.
 
 What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
 this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
 continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
 me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
 
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favorites no longer needed to by pass do not disturb

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Well, I was going threw old and new settings, to find out what was new or 
hidden, instead of buying a book, or asking someone else to figure it out for 
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says “emergency by pass”  If you check it, then when do not disturb is on, 
there calls or text will come threw.
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favorites no longer needed to by pass do not disturb

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, I was going threw old and new settings, to find out what was new or 
hidden, instead of buying a book, or asking someone else to figure it out for 
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[E.T.]

   And unlike the big boys, all accessibility tools are not only 
included, they work out of the box.


   At the end of the day, the initial high cost is just that. Also 
unlike the big boys and third party developers, there is no need of SMAs 
or added costs to keep up.


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On 9/28/2016 11:38 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

No bloatware as far as I am concerned. With every single mac you purchase, 
Apple Store or otherwise, comes no bloatware unlike the big PC boys like Acer 
or HP.

On 28 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac with 
Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?
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Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra



No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
marketing approach.

Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
user.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:


You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple has 
to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be usable. 
Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but 
eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.

It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the same 
thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get the 
latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their customers, and 
on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old 
phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about the stuttering 
animations, the missing features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can 
either cut off old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being 
responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and get 
hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.

On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

No bloatware as far as I am concerned. With every single mac you purchase, 
Apple Store or otherwise, comes no bloatware unlike the big PC boys like Acer 
or HP.
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac with 
> Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?
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> - Original Message - From: "-dan d." 
> To: "Alex Hall" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra
> 
> 
> 
> No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
> marketing approach.
> 
> Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
> user.
> 
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
>> systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
>> requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple 
>> has to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be 
>> usable. Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x 
>> machines, but eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.
>> 
>> It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the 
>> same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get 
>> the latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their 
>> customers, and on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if 
>> Apple gave old phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about 
>> the stuttering animations, the missing features, the slow response times, 
>> and so on. Apple can either cut off old machines and get hammered about 
>> money-grubbing and not being responsible for their customers, or they can 
>> support old machines and get hammered about poor performance and not 
>> supporting new features.
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
>>> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
>>> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
>>> 
>>> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
>>> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
>>> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
>>> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
>>> smoke alarms start going off.
>>> 
>>> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
>>> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
>>> the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
>>> giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
>>> conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
>>> All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
>>> 
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Re: Hello Anne

[christopher hallsworth]

Wow! Grumpy indeed. I am always in the notion that Apple never “forces” users 
anything down their throats, upgrading to Sierra being one of them. It’s not 
even in Software Update; you have to grab it from the Mac App Store yourself. 
It isn’t just thrown at you like the other boys tried, at their very best I 
must say, when they pushed users running Windows 7 or 8.1 to 10. Of course, 
that isn’t happening now the free offer has expired, but you get the idea. Just 
my £0.02 worth and will get out of my soapbox before I say anything I will 
later regret.


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:34, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Totally skewed. Apple has not made the decision for you, you did, as we all 
> do, to press the upgrade button or not to press the upgrade button.
> 
>   Good luck with the Ultra Book. Nothing will change with that, only the 
> names.
> 
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> 
> On 9/28/2016 7:26 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
>> Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
>> Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
>> with a few others. Not a show stopper however.
>> 
>> The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
>> opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
>> have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
>> to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
>> decision taken out of my own hands by others.
>> 
>> As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
>> ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
>> in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
>> such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
>> instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
>> machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
>> less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
>> best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
>> today.
>> 
>> The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
>> purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
>> for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
>> hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
>> agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
>> manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
>> given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
>> after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
>> is always a hidden cost.
>> Take care Anne.
>> From grumpy Marty
>> 
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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi so on my girlfriend’s upcoming first ever mac will the c shortcut only work 
for USB? Asking as my late 2011 mac the c shortcut only boots from CD/DVD and 
not USB. Need to give her this information should she need to reinstall macOS.


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 18:43, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't the C shortcut work for USB in addition to CD/DVD boots? 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:17 AM Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have 
>> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only 
>> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key 
>> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I 
>> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left 
>> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't remember 
>> which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?
> 
> Press the right arrow key twice to get to the USB key. The first press takes 
> you to the recovery partition.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[Jonathan Cohn]

Doesn't the C shortcut work for USB in addition to CD/DVD boots?

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:17 AM Anne Robertson 
wrote:

> Hello Andrew,
>
>
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>
> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have
> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only
> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key
> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I
> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left
> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't
> remember which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?
>
>
> Press the right arrow key twice to get to the USB key. The first press
> takes you to the recovery partition.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Singing Sparrow]

Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after 
downloading the voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it 
went back to alex what in the world?



On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.

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On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

O As I'm about to update to 10.12
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
going to screw up my machine?

Cheers,


Simon F

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Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:

Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's strange 
that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really disconcerting that 
the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right away. In the meantime, 
use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They never crash Voiceover and 
if you don't have one and need help installing one I can guide you through how 
to do it.


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Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
they haven't had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
me as to what i can do to fix this problem.


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[mattias]

Ah my bad..

I should have writed parallels access for ipad

 

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My point was, you asked about Parallels, which is a mac based program which 
runs on a mac.  This is why I wrote and said  it's not accessible, but to check 
out Fusion.  How was I to know ahead of time you didn't have a mac, and just 
further for your info.  No.  Not everyone on here has a mac, let alone a 
macbook, but that wasn't what you were asking.

 

You were asking about a piece of software which was designed to run on a mac.  
You asked if it was accessible, I said no, then gave you an alternative.  I'm 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:15 PM

Subject: SV: parallels access

 

What? So all here own a macbook?

Don’t think so

Some people here maybe own a ipad only

Or maybe only iphone..

 

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Ämne: Re: parallels access

 

Well, you did! ask about this on a mac based mailing list, so, the assumption 
was made.  NO offense intended.  I mean that with all due respect.  Smile.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:39 AM

Subject: SV: parallels access

 

Yes if I owned a macbook

 

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Ämne: Re: parallels access

 

Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare Fusion.

 

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Subject: parallels access

 

Sounds intresting

But are it accessible?

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  Subject: SV: parallels access


  What? So all here own a macbook?

  Don’t think so

  Some people here maybe own a ipad only

  Or maybe only iphone..

   

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  Well, you did! ask about this on a mac based mailing list, so, the assumption 
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From: mattias 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:39 AM

Subject: SV: parallels access

 

Yes if I owned a macbook

 

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Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare 
Fusion.

 

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  Sounds intresting

  But are it accessible?

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[mattias]

Yes and ipads are from apple
Parallels access
But seems it are a rdp like client

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Ämne: Re: SV: parallels access

Let's just say that this is a group for Apple prioducts. What was your 
question again? (smiles)

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On 9/28/2016 9:15 AM, mattias wrote:
> What? So all here own a macbook?
>
> Don’t think so
>
> Some people here maybe own a ipad only
>
> Or maybe only iphone..
>
>
>
> *Från:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *För *Christopher-Mark 
> Gilland
> *Skickat:* den 28 september 2016 17:56
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> *Ämne:* Re: parallels access
>
>
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> Well, you did! ask about this on a mac based mailing list, so, the 
> assumption was made.  NO offense intended.  I mean that with all due 
> respect.  Smile.
>
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> *From:*mattias 
>
> *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:39 AM
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> *Subject:*SV: parallels access
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>
> Yes if I owned a macbook
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *För *Christopher-Mark Gilland
> *Skickat:* den 28 september 2016 15:59
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> 
> *Ämne:* Re: parallels access
>
>
>
> Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with
> VMWare Fusion.
>
>
>
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On 9/28/2016 9:15 AM, mattias wrote:

What? So all here own a macbook?

Don’t think so

Some people here maybe own a ipad only

Or maybe only iphone..



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Yes if I owned a macbook



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Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with
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What? So all here own a macbook?

Don’t think so

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Or maybe only iphone..

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:39 AM

Subject: SV: parallels access

 

Yes if I owned a macbook

 

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Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare Fusion.

 

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Sounds intresting

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Re: parallels access

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well, you did! ask about this on a mac based mailing list, so, the assumption 
was made.  NO offense intended.  I mean that with all due respect.  Smile.
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  Subject: SV: parallels access


  Yes if I owned a macbook

   

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  Ämne: Re: parallels access

   

  Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare 
Fusion.

   

  http://www.vmware.com/fusion

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From: mattias 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:15 AM

Subject: parallels access

 

Sounds intresting

But are it accessible?

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Re: Hello Anne

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Martin,

The release of Sierra has not rendered your Mini obsolete, thus also has not 
forced you to throw away a perfectly good machine, nor does it force your hand 
into purchasing a new computer.  That Mini works very well with El Capitan and 
will likely continue working well for quite a while.  You mentioned that you 
have 4 GB of RAM and a 500 GB HD in your Mini, which is fine, but even if you 
have 16 GB RAM and a 1 TB SSD, there are many other factors that come into play 
including the processor, Cache speed, memory speed, video memory, the number of 
processors etc, which all together determine whether a system can work on any 
given machine.  In the past, I have forced a new MacOS onto an older machine 
and the results were obvious.  Yes, it worked, but it was brutal to operate.  
So very slow, especially with VO and speech.  Almost painful.  I totally 
disagree with your suggestion of purchasing the lowest end Mac as opposed to 
beefing it up a little.  As the feature set grows, your system is taxed 
further, thus having a few components that are beyond minimum will allow your 
experience to be richer, longer.

Just my thoughts.

Have a good one.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 28, 2016, at 08:26, Martin Brown  wrote:

Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today. 

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost. 
Take care Anne.
>From grumpy Marty

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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[michael babcock]

How to downgrade from macOS Sierra back to OS X El Capitan | iMore
http://www.imore.com/how-downgrade-macos-sierra-back-os-x-el-capitan 


> On Sep 28, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> downgrade from OS Sierra to El Capitan

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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andrew,


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have 
> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only 
> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key 
> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I 
> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left 
> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't remember 
> which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?

Press the right arrow key twice to get to the USB key. The first press takes 
you to the recovery partition.

Cheers,

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SV: parallels access

[mattias]

Yes if I owned a macbook

 

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Ämne: Re: parallels access

 

Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare Fusion.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:15 AM

Subject: parallels access

 

Sounds intresting

But are it accessible?

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Re: Hello Anne

[E.T.]

   Totally skewed. Apple has not made the decision for you, you did, as 
we all do, to press the upgrade button or not to press the upgrade button.


   Good luck with the Ultra Book. Nothing will change with that, only 
the names.


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On 9/28/2016 7:26 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

 Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today.

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost.
Take care Anne.
From grumpy Marty



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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Singing Sparrow]

Strange Because When Alex works  the Macbook mid 2010 white polly carbon 
works great when I am using it with alex, but the strange thing is if i 
walk away for a bit and come back, If i am playing music or something 
that keeps the system in working mode/ or making the hard disc do 
something then i am fine so what Gives?



On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.

Shawn
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On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

O As I'm about to update to 10.12
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
going to screw up my machine?

Cheers,


Simon F

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Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:

Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's strange 
that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really disconcerting that 
the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right away. In the meantime, 
use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They never crash Voiceover and 
if you don't have one and need help installing one I can guide you through how 
to do it.


Shawn
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
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Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
they haven't had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
me as to what i can do to fix this problem.


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Hello Anne

[Martin Brown]

 Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today. 

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost. 
Take care Anne.
>From grumpy Marty

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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

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  Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra


  You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple has 
to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be usable. 
Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but 
eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.


  It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the 
same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get the 
latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their customers, and 
on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old 
phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about the stuttering 
animations, the missing features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can 
either cut off old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being 
responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and get 
hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.

On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:


I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
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Re: parallels access

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Last I knew, no.  Not in the least.  You'd be way better off with VMWare Fusion.

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  Subject: parallels access


  Sounds intresting

  But are it accessible?


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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[E.T.]

   And we CAN get off that gravy train at any time. We are not being 
held hostage. Maybe I speak too soon for I will be installing Sierra 
this weekend but I have gone through 4 OSs now. What's one more?


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On 9/28/2016 5:27 AM, -dan d. wrote:


No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
marketing approach.

 Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
user.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:


You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New
operating systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs,
and other requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and
poorly. Apple has to decide where those problems become so great that
the OS would not be usable. Yes, they can disable certain parts, like
Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but eventually they'd be disabling more
than they'd leave.

It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear
the same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone
didn't get the latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is
abandoning their customers, and on and on. (I'm not accusing you of
saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old phones an upgrade the next year,
people would complain about the stuttering animations, the missing
features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can either cut off
old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being
responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and
get hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.

On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this
because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied
the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a
chance Mr
Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best
components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to
go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, that phone you mention could! run Android 7, but that's not for 
this list.  If you wanna know more, shoot me an e-mail off list.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Saqib Hussain" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra


Hi. May the processor can’t handle the latest OS. Unfortunately there seems 
to be a cut off point with hardware regardless of the OS in question. It is 
the same with phones. You probably wouldn’t be able to run the latest 
Android  7 on a 2011 phone like the Samsung Galaxy S2. In my opinion, 
Devices now need to be updated every 2 to 3 years and that can be harsh on 
someone who may only have a small budget at their disposal.

On 28 Sep 2016, at 11:31, Martin Brown  wrote:

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance 
Mr

Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Bloteware?  Um, no offense, but I've not seen any bloteware on the mac with 
Sierra or the like.  Care to elaborate?

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From: "-dan d." 

To: "Alex Hall" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra



No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a
marketing approach.

 Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end
user.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:

You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple 
has to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not 
be usable. Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x 
machines, but eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.


It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the 
same thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't 
get the latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their 
customers, and on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if 
Apple gave old phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain 
about the stuttering animations, the missing features, the slow response 
times, and so on. Apple can either cut off old machines and get hammered 
about money-grubbing and not being responsible for their customers, or 
they can support old machines and get hammered about poor performance and 
not supporting new features.

On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this 
because

my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 
7

year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance 
Mr

Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go 
on

the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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Re: Installing a new SSD Drive. what should i do to transfer my system?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Coming in lately here but would the dd command work from the terminal to do 
this?
This is free and included in the osx.
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> On 26 Sep 2016, at 08:22, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> As far as your question about moving your old install to it, I think… and 
> someone can gently correct me if needed, but you may be able to use something 
> like Superduper backup software, to make a bootable copy of your current hard 
> drive. However, that does cost money. Unfortunately, I don’t know of any free 
> program to do this.
>> On Sep 25, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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>> Hello all my friends:
>> TOmorrow, I will take my mac mini to a shop here to put a SSd Drive
>> into my unit.
>> so need to ask you:
>> does the mac mini contains a place to leave my Original  Hd inside or not?:
>> and, must I start from scratch and install my OS mountain lion again?
>> or I can take the system that was installed on my old H and put it on
>> my new SSD?
>> also, I have the Sieera Image on my USB drive. if I will make a
>> bootable copy, is it accessible to install it on my HSSD?
>> Thanks
>> 
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parallels access

[mattias]

Sounds intresting

But are it accessible?

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Downgrading to El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Listers,

Is it at all possible to downgrade from OS Sierra to El Capitan again?  If yes, 
would it require a clean install of El Capitan and thus loss of all the data?  
Although my late 2010 Macbook air is listed by Apple as being capable of 
running Sierra, I wonder whether it is too much to ask of it.  It may be just 
on the border, and If I were not to be able to use Alex on it because of the 
crashes, I'd be inconsolable.  No other voice seems to come up to scratch.  And 
other voices seem to be more sluggish as well as interpret things somewhat 
differently.

If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have instructions 
on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only question mark I 
have is - as you restart your mac with the option key depressed in order to get 
a list of available booting disks - how can I choose the usb drive reliably?  
It's a matter of moving the right or left arrow key once to select a different 
disk to start from but I can't remember which way I need to move the cursor.  
Any ideas?

Andrew

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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Shawn Krasniuk]

If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.

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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> O As I'm about to update to 10.12 
> Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
> sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
> going to screw up my machine?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
> 
> What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
> after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.
> 
> 
> On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
>> Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
>> issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
>> strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
>> disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
>> away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
>> never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing one 
>> I can guide you through how to do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>> 
>> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is 
>> what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white 
>> pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped 
>> working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know 
>> at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and 
>> they haven't had any problems.
>> 
>> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix 
>> this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to 
>> continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise 
>> me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
>> 
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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just curious, what is the advantage of using an app like this over just 
creating the ringtone yourself in iTunes?
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> First of all, I need to correct a minor error I made in my original post; the 
> name of the app is ringtone maker Pro.
> 
> As to the question about where it will begin creating the ringtone from a 
> sound source, it does begin at the very beginning. However, there are very 
> accessible features to allow you to start at a point in the sound source 
> where you prefer. The app will also allow you to create a 40 seconds ringtone 
> to as low as a five second ringtone/alarm. It may be less than five seconds, 
> but I'm not sure because I have never tried to go lower than a five second 
> tone.
> 
> The process is as follows:
> – Naturally, you open up the app.
> – You select a sound source – probably a song on your eye device.
> – There is also a provision for recording a new sound source.
> – You are then placed in a dialogue where you are able to select various 
> features such as beginning point and endpoint as well as fade in and fade out.
> – I think it is a very accessible as a well designed and usable app.
> – When finished, you hit the save button.
> – After saving the tone, there is a share button that will allow you to email 
> the tone as an attachment.
> 
> Disclaimer: I have absolutely no financial stake in the successful marketing 
> of this app!
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. May the processor can’t handle the latest OS. Unfortunately there seems to 
be a cut off point with hardware regardless of the OS in question. It is the 
same with phones. You probably wouldn’t be able to run the latest Android  7 on 
a 2011 phone like the Samsung Galaxy S2. In my opinion, Devices now need to be 
updated every 2 to 3 years and that can be harsh on someone who may only have a 
small budget at their disposal. 
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 11:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
> 
> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
> smoke alarms start going off.
> 
> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
> the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
> giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
> conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
> All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
> 
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[-dan d.]

No, it is the apple gravy train at work with built in obsolescence as a 
marketing approach.


 Pushing bloatware out each year is no excuse and no favor for the end 
user.


On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Alex Hall wrote:


You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple has 
to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be usable. 
Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but 
eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.

It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the same 
thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get the 
latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their customers, and 
on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old 
phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about the stuttering 
animations, the missing features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can 
either cut off old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being 
responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and get 
hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.

On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Martin,

Is there anything in Sierra that you don’t want to live without, or are you 
quite happy with El Capitan?
I’m quite sure that my MacBook Air will take Sierra with ease, but for the time 
being, I’m not going to bother because I don’t need all the bells and whistles.
I have installed Sierra on our machine we use for teaching as any mew Mac users 
we train will have machines running Sierra and we need to be familiar with it.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 28 Sep 2016, at 12:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
> 
> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
> smoke alarms start going off.
> 
> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
> the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
> giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
> conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
> All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
> 
> 
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Re: Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Alex Hall]

You're not considering the resource needs of the OS itself. New operating 
systems have animations, background tasks, throughput needs, and other 
requirements that must be met or the OS will run slowly and poorly. Apple has 
to decide where those problems become so great that the OS would not be usable. 
Yes, they can disable certain parts, like Airdrop on non-BT4.x machines, but 
eventually they'd be disabling more than they'd leave.

It's like iPhones. When the 4 and 4s were getting upgrades, you'd hear the same 
thing every year. People would scream about how their phone didn't get the 
latest OS, and how terrible is it that Apple is abandoning their customers, and 
on and on. (I'm not accusing you of saying that.) Then, if Apple gave old 
phones an upgrade the next year, people would complain about the stuttering 
animations, the missing features, the slow response times, and so on. Apple can 
either cut off old machines and get hammered about money-grubbing and not being 
responsible for their customers, or they can support old machines and get 
hammered about poor performance and not supporting new features.
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 06:31, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
> that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
> my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.
> 
> I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
> year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
> Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
> Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
> smoke alarms start going off.
> 
> I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
> their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
> the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
> giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
> conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
> All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.
> 
> 
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Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Martin Brown]

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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Re: I need help with backing up my iphone on the mac

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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 5:09 AM, elayneh  wrote:
> 
> I just want to say thanks for the help.I was able to use your information 
> and backup my phone. thanks
> 
>> On 9/18/2016 3:58 AM, Helga Schreiber wrote:
>> Hi Elayneh! How are you? So you just need to connect your phone,dn it will 
>> open iTunes automatically if you have it se t that way. So when you hav eit 
>> connected to the mac, just do Vo right arrow or left arrow tonavigate to 
>> where it says the name of you riPhne. the name of your iPhone it iwill be 
>> pop up button, which you need to do Vo space bar and it wil open the options 
>> fo ryou, Aftr you do vo space bar, you ned to find something that says 
>> Scroll area. You need to interact with it, by doing vO shift down arrow, adn 
>> you wil find option sof you riPhone, nd i twill say all yoru iPhne summary, 
>> hen i will give you options to back up adn so on. You will find back button, 
>> yyou just need to double tap on it to back up your iphone. However, before 
>> you double tap on it, make sure you selecte the option to back up to the 
>> computer instead o of iCloud k?  Once you have you have check, then yu can 
>> double tap on back up. There is two ways to back up. You can do an incripted 
>> uback up whre you ned to put a password, or you cando a manual back up and 
>> so on. I recommen dyou the manual bsck up since the incripted back up, you 
>> ned to create a password, dn you can forget it. Hope hit shelps some@ I fyou 
>> need more help with this let us know! I look   forward in hearing 
>> from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>> 
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>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:44 AM, elayneh  wrote:
>> 
>>> can someone give me instructions on backing up my iphone. the problem is I 
>>> don't know where or how to find the area to do the backup. I also need to 
>>> nknow wich commands to use.I am using l capitain . thanks
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Re: I need help with backing up my iphone on the mac

[elayneh]

I just want to say thanks for the help.I was able to use your 
information and backup my phone. thanks



On 9/18/2016 3:58 AM, Helga Schreiber wrote:
Hi Elayneh! How are you? So you just need to connect your phone,dn it 
will open iTunes automatically if you have it se t that way. So when 
you hav eit connected to the mac, just do Vo right arrow or left arrow 
tonavigate to where it says the name of you riPhne. the name of your 
iPhone it iwill be pop up button, which you need to do Vo space bar 
and it wil open the options fo ryou, Aftr you do vo space bar, you ned 
to find something that says Scroll area. You need to interact with it, 
by doing vO shift down arrow, adn you wil find option sof you riPhone, 
nd i twill say all yoru iPhne summary, hen i will give you options to 
back up adn so on. You will find back button, yyou just need to double 
tap on it to back up your iphone. However, before you double tap on 
it, make sure you selecte the option to back up to the computer 
instead o of iCloud k?  Once you have you have check, then yu can 
double tap on back up. There is two ways to back up. You can do an 
incripted uback up whre you ned to put a password, or you cando a 
manual back up and so on. I recommen dyou the manual bsck up since the 
incripted back up, you ned to create a password, dn you can forget it. 
Hope hit shelps some@ I fyou need more help with this let us know! I 
look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!


  Helga Schreiber
Group Moderator
  for the IPad help for the blind
ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 



Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
Blind Students.

Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as 
px

INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
3:16

Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10

On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:44 AM, elayneh > wrote:


can someone give me instructions on backing up my iphone. the problem 
is I don't know where or how to find the area to do the backup. I 
also need to nknow wich commands to use.I am using l capitain . thanks

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RE: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Simon Fogarty]

O As I'm about to update to 10.12 
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
going to screw up my machine?

Cheers,


Simon F

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On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
> Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
> issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
> strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
> disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
> away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
> never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing one 
> I can guide you through how to do it.
>
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
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> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>
> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is 
> what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white 
> pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped 
> working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know 
> at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and 
> they haven't had any problems.
>
> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix 
> this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to 
> continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise 
> me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
>

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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[christopher hallsworth]

Nothing. Sounds like a serious bug with 2010 macs and agreed that everyone 
owning such macs should let Apple Accessibility know right away. Ok, it’s old 
hardware, but as you know with Apple, they have a history of supporting old 
hardware much longer than the competitors. Look at the iPhone 4s for example. 
Ok, it’s a different topic, but it’s only this year they stopped supporting the 
4s, yet it’s been around since 2011. But you get the idea. I have a 2011 mac 
and have no such problems, so it seems to be exclusive to 2010 macs.
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 05:48, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is what is 
> happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white pollycarbon I 
> will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working, I did the upgrade 
> from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least one person on the list 
> that has the same macbook I have and they haven't had any problems.
> 
> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix this 
> because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to continue 
> working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me as to what i 
> can do to fix this problem.
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, but that could be playing the contributing factor.  I'm not totally 
sure.  I know Ben isn't having this issue.  I just asked him, and hopefully 
in a bit, he'll write in with his thoughts.

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From: "Singing Sparrow" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.


What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it
is after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to
boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing 
one I can guide you through how to do it.



Shawn
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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working,
I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least
one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and they haven't
had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me
as to what i can do to fix this problem.



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