Re: Performing hardware test on my mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi 
Still need ur assistant plz.
Thanks in advance 

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
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> On Apr 17, 2018, at 1:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I need urgently to make a hardware scan on my macmini because i doubt that 
> the fan is not working.
> i searched online, and my mac is late 2012, i’m running High sierra.
> I shut down and i hold teh D key while opening as mentioned exactly.
> nothing happened and i didn’t go to the test screen at all.
> i assume tha  the D key that they mentioned is the delete key in the 6 back. 
> but the VOice over keyboard helper told me that the. backslash is the delete 
> key.
> don’t know how, but anyway i tried the both.
> 
> any ideas on how to achieve this please?
> thanks so much

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Re: PTA icloud Mail

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, where would I get that? I added the account through mail for Windows with 
it’s own app specific password. As of right now I’m stuck with a Windows 
computer. One thing I can try is deleting and logging back in.

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Subject: Re: PTA icloud Mail

Where did you add the iCloud mail account? Did you do it directly and windows 
mail or through iCloud for windows? I would highly suggest using iCloud for 
windows, if that’s even still available. I don’t use windows so I really don’t 
know, but that would seem the best thing to try.


On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Maria Reyes 
> wrote:

Hi all,
I posted this earlier, but I didn’t see any replies or I just missed them, but 
I’m trying to use iCloud Mail on my windows 10 laptop using the built in mail 
app. I have the account with an app specific password, however, when I try to 
send messages, they won’t send. I get an error email. I do have the address 
correct. Is there something I need to enable in my settings?

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Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps

[Joshua Tubbs]

I’m really enjoying the accessibility now that I have it on.
There’s just one issue, the editor. When you backspace code, or delete blank 
lines, for example, VoiceOver will not read them, which is pretty bad for a 
code editor in particular.
I haven’t been able to find the page with instructions on how to enable it when 
Googling; perhaps on this page there is instructions to fix this issue with the 
editor?
Thanks for that bit of help though, it’s a lot more accessible than before, but 
still not quite there yet—it reminds me of Google Docs Editor under Safari, for 
example.


> On Apr 16, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I have not used Visual Studio Code (VSC) personally, but my understandings 
> are:
> 1. It is developed with Active Script (better known as JavaScript)  and not 
> Java 
> 2. It is supposed to work with VoiceOver, I believe I even remember somebody 
> exclaiming about how accessible it was. 
> 
> I did find the below after a quick Google search:
> The Accessibility features in Visual Studio for Mac are turned off by 
> default. To enable them, do the following steps:
> 1. Go to Visual Studio > Preferences > Other > Accessibility.
> 2. Select the Enable Accessibility checkbox, as illustrated in the following 
> diagram:
>  Enable accessibility checkbox image 
> 3. Press the Restart Visual Studio button to allow the accessibility features 
> to take effect.
> Alternatively, you can use the command line to enable accessibility features. 
> To do this, enter the following command in terminal:
> 
> defaults write com.microsoft.visual-studio 
> com.monodevelop.AccessibilityEnabled 1 
> After turning on accessibility, you need to restart Visual Studio.
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 6:02 AM, Joshua Tubbs > > wrote:
>> 
>> There’s just one problem. Visual Studio Code, or VS Code, sucks on macOS as 
>> far as accessibility goes. It is a Java app and Java apps, for the most 
>> part, are a nightmare with VoiceOver. For starters, the editor doesn’t read, 
>> so good luck reviewing code.
>> :(
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> As Alex already mentioned, Swift is a programming language. The actuall 
>>> code that interfaces with IOS is the "Frameworks" I am sure you have heard 
>>> of Webkit and AppKit these are specific frameworks, which are essentially 
>>> just  libraries of objects, methods and properties that provides  some 
>>> functionality. There is even the ability to do ".NET" programming directly 
>>> for IOS devices using I believe Visual Studio Code. If you are looking to 
>>> develop Applications on Macintosh that better interface with AD products 
>>> that is probably the way to go, though I have not read anything.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 14, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
  
 Thanks and yes this is exactly what I’m looking for.
  
 The itunes U wasn’t something I’d have thought of but will check it out.
  
 Developing apps for the iPad
 Does that need to be done on the iPad or within the IOS platform I guess 
 SDK or is there a swift development kit for the Mac OS platform also,
 Or is that an x code SDK with swift coding abilities also?
  
 I was told there was an emulator for the IOS platform on the mac os app 
 store!
  
 Ch eers for now ans if you have any other suggestions please let me know.
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  > On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
 Sent: Friday, 13 April 2018 2:39 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps
  
 Hi Simon,
  
 I am supposed to promote these titles in iBooks when doing presentations 
 to teachers and such, so I'll suggest them to you as well.  In the iBooks 
 Store, type "Swift" into the Search field and check out the results.  My 
 recommendation is to first download Swift Playgrounds to your iPad and go 
 through the Learn to Code with Swift Playgrounds 1, 2 and 3.  There is 
 also an iTunes U course you can take which is found in the iTunes U app on 
 your iPad.  Open the iTunes U app, double-tap the Featured tab, activate 
 the 
 search field, then type Playground.  There should be the Learn to Code 
 with Swift Playground course there and some other titles.  There are App 
 Development iBooks as well that will show up when you do the previous 
 search in the iBooks Store.  Hopefully, this is the sort of thing that 
 you're looking for.
  
 Later...
  
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple 

Re: Can someone help with getting info on a Gmail account?

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, I wonder if you try to log into your gmail account, isn't there a reset 
password button? Yes 1Password is an awesome app. If you want, you can have it 
generate a password for you.

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Subject: Re: Can someone help with getting info on a Gmail account?

Thanks, Jonathan.  I've never used OnePassword, but it certainly seems like a 
good way to go.  Guess I'll have to contact the account admin and see if they 
can give me a link to reset.  Thanks for the explanation.
Cheers,
Donna
On Apr 16, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:

Donna,

 don't believe the Macintosh actually keeps the password for Google accounts 
but instead generates some kind of certificate to generate one time passwords. 
Certainly I have had a lot of issues with Google and the Mac Mail count over 
the past 6 to 8 weeks. Luckily I have one password store all my passwords and I 
just need to go back into the internet accounts in system settings.

If you have a phone associated with your Gmail account you can recover via that 
phone and SMS messages.

Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Apr 16, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm having an issue with my gmail password, and need to know how many 
characters it has.  In all my other email accounts, I can see the number of 
characters when I click Details in the Internet Accounts pane.  But when I 
click on my Gmail account, it does not show me the number of characters in my 
password.  Does anyone know if there's a way I can see this information?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Can someone help with getting info on a Gmail account?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Jonathan.  I've never used OnePassword, but it certainly seems like a 
good way to go.  Guess I'll have to contact the account admin and see if they 
can give me a link to reset.  Thanks for the explanation.
Cheers,
Donna 
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
>  don't believe the Macintosh actually keeps the password for Google accounts 
> but instead generates some kind of certificate to generate one time 
> passwords. Certainly I have had a lot of issues with Google and the Mac Mail 
> count over the past 6 to 8 weeks. Luckily I have one password store all my 
> passwords and I just need to go back into the internet accounts in system 
> settings.
> 
> If you have a phone associated with your Gmail account you can recover via 
> that phone and SMS messages.
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm having an issue with my gmail password, and need to know how many 
>> characters it has.  In all my other email accounts, I can see the number of 
>> characters when I click Details in the Internet Accounts pane.  But when I 
>> click on my Gmail account, it does not show me the number of characters in 
>> my password.  Does anyone know if there's a way I can see this information?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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icloud Mail

[Maria Reyes]

Hi all, 
I posted this earlier, but I didn’t see any replies or I just missed them, but 
I’m trying to use iCloud Mail on my windows 10 laptop using the built in mail 
app. I have the account with an app specific password, however, when I try to 
send messages, they won’t send. I get an error email. I do have the address 
correct. Is there something I need to enable in my settings? 

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Re: Can someone help with getting info on a Gmail account?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Donna,

 don't believe the Macintosh actually keeps the password for Google accounts 
but instead generates some kind of certificate to generate one time passwords. 
Certainly I have had a lot of issues with Google and the Mac Mail count over 
the past 6 to 8 weeks. Luckily I have one password store all my passwords and I 
just need to go back into the internet accounts in system settings.

If you have a phone associated with your Gmail account you can recover via that 
phone and SMS messages.

Jonathan 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 16, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having an issue with my gmail password, and need to know how many 
> characters it has.  In all my other email accounts, I can see the number of 
> characters when I click Details in the Internet Accounts pane.  But when I 
> click on my Gmail account, it does not show me the number of characters in my 
> password.  Does anyone know if there's a way I can see this information?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: reacting to messages in messages app for Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

As far as I know none of the application links or responses are available on 
MacOS.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Gotcha. No idea. I usually take messages on my iPhone.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/16/2018 4:09 PM, aliFaisal wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I was referring to the reactions that are available on the messages app on 
>> IOS IE thumbs up, heart, etc. I am wondering if we can react in a similar 
>> fashion from within the messages app on the mac.
>> Thank you.
>>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Ok I think what yu want is to use VO-n to bring up the notification list 
>>> then open the message dialog from there.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 4/16/2018 1:51 PM, aliFaisal wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 Is it possible to react to messages on the mac like it is on IOS?
 If so, how would this be done.
 Thanks
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Re: Further to earlier mail re playing audio content on my Mac

[Steve Matzura]

If no one has told you as yet, may I be the first, that message has 
absolutely nothing to do with your ability to connect to a local Wi-Fi 
network. That message is telling you either your iCloud username or 
password is wrong. That's all.



On 4/15/2018 2:17 PM, 'andy' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Simon, Andrew, others and Steve.
Thankyou all for offering me your help with Skype or facebook or by 
email, in respect to helping me play audio content on my Mac.
One of the big attractions for me to get a Macbook was because I could 
talk with my family in Sydney and Canada by using Facetime.

Unfortunately, I've not progressed far enough to set these facilities up.
The main reason is that I cannot connect to the internet on my Macbook.
Other devices such as my Iphone, my Wife's Dell lap-top and my Window 
7 computer are all coping with the wired or wy fy facilities of my 
roughter, so the problems I am having lay within my Macbook.

Here is what is happening.
When I boot up my Macbook and after the standard introduction, I get 
the following message:
"Application Alert - System Dialogue -  - This Mac cannot connect to 
Icloud  because of a problem with meikle.ai...@btinternet.com". "Open 
System Preferences of Icloud to fix this problem"
So obviously I'm not on-line and before I can go further in my 
learning with music, I really need to be able to resolve this.
Despite several attempts at going into System Preferences, I just end 
up in a maize.
You see, I simply don't have the knowledge or skills to mess around in 
there.
If this makes my position a little clearer, then that's great and I'd 
welcome any advice.
I have however managed to get one-to one help from SITE Glasgow 
shortly but because I'm going to be on holiday for a week, I cannot 
get this support for a few weeks.
I was actually thinking of taking my Macbook to Spain with me on 
holiday and spend most evenings going through, Janet Ingber's 
wonderful book.
Perhaps I may well yet.  I go on holiday on 21 May for 1 week, so 
perhaps I can resolve this issue befor then.

Very best wishes and thanks again for your on-going support.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
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Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?

[Brian Fischler]

Hi Alex,

Thanks so much for this command as I did not know it and just used it for the 
first time works great. Appreciate it. Best, Brian

> On Apr 16, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In High Sierra, for non-password fields, the Auto-Fill is working, albeit 
> somewhat differently than in the past.  If you tab to the field, VO will 
> announce "Username" and something about auto-fill available.  You can type 
> the first letter or two of the auto-fill field, then arrow through the 
> options.  Press return when you have the one you desire.  I have yet to 
> determine how to deal with auto-fill passwords from Keychain though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 11:53, Brian Fischler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Actually this auto fill issue is in deed a bug in iOS and Mac OS High Sierra 
> but not a VoiceOVer specific bug as I had a lengthy conversation last week 
> with Apple accessibility as on the Mac the auto fill fields stopped working. 
> They are well aware of it and are working on a fix. On the Mac and I do not 
> know if the iPhone is behaving in the same manner but when you are on your 
> user name you can with QuickNav turned off hit your down arrow and then enter 
> and the fields will be populated. The issue is VoiceOVer of course does not 
> tell you that you are on a user name for this site. I imagine iOS is 
> performing similar behavior. We will just have to keep our fingers crossed 
> that Apple gets this fixed and fixes the VoiceOVer issues with it as well.
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>> 
>> Danny, 
>> To enable Touch ID go to settings > touch ID and passcode then follow the 
>> steps. Then go to the website. Make sure you are after the prediction bar or 
>> the keyboard. I think the button is called autofill contact. 
>>  
>> Sent from Mail  for Windows 
>> 10
>>  
>> From: Jonathan Cohn 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?
>>  
>> I did not see any support for auto fill in assistive touch where I was 
>> hoping to find it to help with this issue.
>>  
>> Oh well, I guess there is accessibil...@apple.com 
>>  .
>>  
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>>  
>> Unfortunately this is not a bug but a feature. There were concerns about 
>> auto-fill inputting information without users knowledge. I guess somebody 
>> figured out a way to use autofill functionality with JavaScript to cause 
>> logins or other activities without user knowledge. I did recently read how 
>> even a carefully crafted CSS could be used to steal passwords and usernames, 
>> though I would think that autofill would prevent that type of hack.. In any 
>> case, in addition to allowing webforms on other applications to use Safari 
>> Autofill information, they now require that autofill only works after 
>> tapping a point on the screen. I wonder if they added any autofill to the 
>> low mobility interfaces.
>>  
>>  
>>   Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I'm always beta testing, so I'm used to ignoring small bugs that get fixed 
>> in final builds. Yesterday, though, I updated a client's iPad to iOS 11.3, 
>> and the iPad stopped auto-filling the client's Amazon password. I noticed 
>> this in the betas on my own devices, but thought nothing of it.
>>  
>> We do a lot of work with Amazon and Audible, so this is a pretty big 
>> annoyance. The option to fill in the password is there, but the password no 
>> longer appears automatically as it used to. Now, the client has to find the 
>> option to fill it in above the keyboard, while trying not to touch somewhere 
>> on the page and thus dismiss the keyboard. Is there any way to get things 
>> back to how they were? Thanks for any ideas.
>> 
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Performing hardware test on my mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

I need urgently to make a hardware scan on my macmini because i doubt that the 
fan is not working.
i searched online, and my mac is late 2012, i’m running High sierra.
I shut down and i hold teh D key while opening as mentioned exactly.
nothing happened and i didn’t go to the test screen at all.
i assume tha  the D key that they mentioned is the delete key in the 6 back. 
but the VOice over keyboard helper told me that the. backslash is the delete 
key.
don’t know how, but anyway i tried the both.

any ideas on how to achieve this please?
thanks so much 

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Re: reacting to messages in messages app for Mac

[E.T.]

   Gotcha. No idea. I usually take messages on my iPhone.

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Hello,
I was referring to the reactions that are available on the messages app on IOS 
IE thumbs up, heart, etc. I am wondering if we can react in a similar fashion 
from within the messages app on the mac.
Thank you.


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   Ok I think what yu want is to use VO-n to bring up the notification list 
then open the message dialog from there.

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Is it possible to react to messages on the mac like it is on IOS?
If so, how would this be done.
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Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?

[Alex Hall]

On macOS, I just hit cmd-shift-a when the page loads. The nice thing is that I 
don't even have to find a text field. The down side is that it auto-fills the 
first saved username/password in the list, so if I've saved more than one, I 
don't know what would happen. Still, it's faster than finding a field, 
arrowing, and pressing enter.

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> On Apr 16, 2018, at 14:09, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In High Sierra, for non-password fields, the Auto-Fill is working, albeit 
> somewhat differently than in the past.  If you tab to the field, VO will 
> announce "Username" and something about auto-fill available.  You can type 
> the first letter or two of the auto-fill field, then arrow through the 
> options.  Press return when you have the one you desire.  I have yet to 
> determine how to deal with auto-fill passwords from Keychain though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 11:53, Brian Fischler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Actually this auto fill issue is in deed a bug in iOS and Mac OS High Sierra 
> but not a VoiceOVer specific bug as I had a lengthy conversation last week 
> with Apple accessibility as on the Mac the auto fill fields stopped working. 
> They are well aware of it and are working on a fix. On the Mac and I do not 
> know if the iPhone is behaving in the same manner but when you are on your 
> user name you can with QuickNav turned off hit your down arrow and then enter 
> and the fields will be populated. The issue is VoiceOVer of course does not 
> tell you that you are on a user name for this site. I imagine iOS is 
> performing similar behavior. We will just have to keep our fingers crossed 
> that Apple gets this fixed and fixes the VoiceOVer issues with it as well.
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>> 
>> Danny, 
>> To enable Touch ID go to settings > touch ID and passcode then follow the 
>> steps. Then go to the website. Make sure you are after the prediction bar or 
>> the keyboard. I think the button is called autofill contact. 
>>  
>> Sent from Mail  for Windows 
>> 10
>>  
>> From: Jonathan Cohn 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?
>>  
>> I did not see any support for auto fill in assistive touch where I was 
>> hoping to find it to help with this issue.
>>  
>> Oh well, I guess there is accessibil...@apple.com 
>>  .
>>  
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>>  
>> Unfortunately this is not a bug but a feature. There were concerns about 
>> auto-fill inputting information without users knowledge. I guess somebody 
>> figured out a way to use autofill functionality with JavaScript to cause 
>> logins or other activities without user knowledge. I did recently read how 
>> even a carefully crafted CSS could be used to steal passwords and usernames, 
>> though I would think that autofill would prevent that type of hack.. In any 
>> case, in addition to allowing webforms on other applications to use Safari 
>> Autofill information, they now require that autofill only works after 
>> tapping a point on the screen. I wonder if they added any autofill to the 
>> low mobility interfaces.
>>  
>>  
>>   Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I'm always beta testing, so I'm used to ignoring small bugs that get fixed 
>> in final builds. Yesterday, though, I updated a client's iPad to iOS 11.3, 
>> and the iPad stopped auto-filling the client's Amazon password. I noticed 
>> this in the betas on my own devices, but thought nothing of it.
>>  
>> We do a lot of work with Amazon and Audible, so this is a pretty big 
>> annoyance. The option to fill in the password is there, but the password no 
>> longer appears automatically as it used to. Now, the client has to find the 
>> option to fill it in above the keyboard, while trying not to touch somewhere 
>> on the page and thus dismiss the keyboard. Is there any way to get things 
>> back to how they were? Thanks for any ideas.
>> 
>> --
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Re: reacting to messages in messages app for Mac

[aliFaisal]

Hello,
I was referring to the reactions that are available on the messages app on IOS 
IE thumbs up, heart, etc. I am wondering if we can react in a similar fashion 
from within the messages app on the mac.
Thank you.

> On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Ok I think what yu want is to use VO-n to bring up the notification list 
> then open the message dialog from there.
> 
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> On 4/16/2018 1:51 PM, aliFaisal wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> Is it possible to react to messages on the mac like it is on IOS?
>> If so, how would this be done.
>> Thanks
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Re: reacting to messages in messages app for Mac

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   Ok I think what yu want is to use VO-n to bring up the notification 
list then open the message dialog from there.


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Is it possible to react to messages on the mac like it is on IOS?
If so, how would this be done.
Thanks



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Can someone help with getting info on a Gmail account?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I'm having an issue with my gmail password, and need to know how many 
characters it has.  In all my other email accounts, I can see the number of 
characters when I click Details in the Internet Accounts pane.  But when I 
click on my Gmail account, it does not show me the number of characters in my 
password.  Does anyone know if there's a way I can see this information?
TIA,
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Re: reacting to messages in messages app for Mac

[E.T.]

   Go into the Message app preferences on the Mac and set it to receive 
texts sent to your email address or phone number.


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Is it possible to react to messages on the mac like it is on IOS?
If so, how would this be done.
Thanks



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RE: reacting to messages in messages app for Mac

[Maria Reyes]

Is it possible that there is a rotor actionlike there is on iOS?

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Hello everyone,
Is it possible to react to messages on the mac like it is on IOS?
If so, how would this be done.
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Re: iTunes reports busy

[Agent086b]

Hi Anne,
what do you mean by throw out iTunes preferences?
Thanks,
Max.

> On 16 Apr 2018, at 6:18 pm, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Andrew,
> 
> I’m also still on Sierra and having no trouble at all with iTunes. Have you 
> done the usual things to fix minor problems such as First Aid in Disk Utility 
> and reinitialising the PRAM? Then you could throw out your iTunes Preferences 
> and see what happens.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2018, at 23:16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’m still on Sierra on macbook pro 2014.  Recently iTunes started playing 
>> up.  When I attempt to open the app, voiceover says “busy” all the time and 
>> iTunes doesn’t open.  Then I get a message of non-responsive application and 
>> have to force quit iTunes.  I have to restart my mac to be able to open 
>> iTunes.  Is there a way of somehow resetting or debugging iTunes?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
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reacting to messages in messages app for Mac

[aliFaisal]

Hello everyone,
Is it possible to react to messages on the mac like it is on IOS?
If so, how would this be done.
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Sending iCloud links in email

[Angus MacKinnon]

I have an OS 10.11.6 iMac.I habe logged into iCloud and see the file I wish to 
send using the smtp, vig...@gmail.com . How do I link 
to the file in iCloud so gmail does not complain? Thank you.

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Re: A way to see if iCloud is busy uploading or downloading

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Hi,

If that's all it says, then nothing profound is happening.  Unless you do a 
huge file copy, most of it happens rather quickly and you'll not see anything 
in this status area.  I backed up a bunch of movies onto my iCloud Drive a 
while back, and it did actually show progress in the status area.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Apr 16, 2018, at 13:53, Nickus de Vos  wrote:

Tim, thank you very much, I got to the status bar and interacted with it. The 
only thing voiceover then tells me is “one of five selected"

> On 16 Apr 2018, at 21:44, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> When in the Finder, press cmd-shift-i to open the iCloud window, stop 
> interacting with everything and press VO-FN-right to get to the last item of 
> the window, if the Status bar is announced, then interact with it.  If it is 
> not, press cmd-slash so that it toggles visible and interact with it.  The 
> activity is noted within that status bar.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> On Apr 16, 2018, at 13:38, Nickus de Vos  > wrote:
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> Hi all
> A quick one, is there a way to check whether iCloud is busy uploading or 
> downloading something on my Mac and to see the progress of this process?
> 
> Nick
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Re: A way to see if iCloud is busy uploading or downloading

[Nickus de Vos]

Tim, thank you very much, I got to the status bar and interacted with it. The 
only thing voiceover then tells me is “one of five selected"

> On 16 Apr 2018, at 21:44, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> When in the Finder, press cmd-shift-i to open the iCloud window, stop 
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> the window, if the Status bar is announced, then interact with it.  If it is 
> not, press cmd-slash so that it toggles visible and interact with it.  The 
> activity is noted within that status bar.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 13:38, Nickus de Vos  > wrote:
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> Hi all
> A quick one, is there a way to check whether iCloud is busy uploading or 
> downloading something on my Mac and to see the progress of this process?
> 
> Nick
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Re: A way to see if iCloud is busy uploading or downloading

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When in the Finder, press cmd-shift-i to open the iCloud window, stop 
interacting with everything and press VO-FN-right to get to the last item of 
the window, if the Status bar is announced, then interact with it.  If it is 
not, press cmd-slash so that it toggles visible and interact with it.  The 
activity is noted within that status bar.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2018, at 13:38, Nickus de Vos  wrote:

Hi all
A quick one, is there a way to check whether iCloud is busy uploading or 
downloading something on my Mac and to see the progress of this process?

Nick

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Re: Reading Threads In Order

[Bill Gallik]

 Will give that a try, thanks Tim! 樂

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On Apr 16, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Try going into Mail Prefs, under the Viewing tab and there's a checkbox in 
there that says something about Viewing most Recent Message first.  Make sure 
that it's not checked and see if that makes a difference.

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Re: Reading Threads In Order

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try going into Mail Prefs, under the Viewing tab and there's a checkbox in 
there that says something about Viewing most Recent Message first.  Make sure 
that it's not checked and see if that makes a difference.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2018, at 13:08, Bill Gallik  wrote:

I wonder if anybody can suggest how to set up the native mail client (MacOS) so 
that a thread can be read one message at a time with the oldest (probably 
original message) being read first, the second oldest message read next and so 
on.

I have configured my mail so that oldest messages are at the top of the message 
list, but if I open a thread in aggregate it also seems to read the last 
message sent (the latest reply) first, then the penultimate reply second and so 
on until the originating message is the last one read.

Now, of course, I know that if I expand the thread the messages will then be 
listed in timestamp order with the oldest being the first listed going down the 
message list, but I’d like to be able to simply delete the currently read 
message and instantly focus on the following message without needing to open it 
explicitly.

Does anybody have any advice?


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A way to see if iCloud is busy uploading or downloading

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
A quick one, is there a way to check whether iCloud is busy uploading or 
downloading something on my Mac and to see the progress of this process?

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Re: iTunes reports busy

[Andrew Lamanche]

Ah yes, goodness, forgot about the PRAM reset and the preference plist.  I’ll 
try these steps first. Thank you, Anne and Tim.  As they say these days: 
“awesome”!Couldn’t resist throwing this one. :)
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Andrew,
> 
> I’m also still on Sierra and having no trouble at all with iTunes. Have you 
> done the usual things to fix minor problems such as First Aid in Disk Utility 
> and reinitialising the PRAM? Then you could throw out your iTunes Preferences 
> and see what happens.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2018, at 23:16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’m still on Sierra on macbook pro 2014.  Recently iTunes started playing 
>> up.  When I attempt to open the app, voiceover says “busy” all the time and 
>> iTunes doesn’t open.  Then I get a message of non-responsive application and 
>> have to force quit iTunes.  I have to restart my mac to be able to open 
>> iTunes.  Is there a way of somehow resetting or debugging iTunes?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
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Re: Google drive & sync and backup drive download

[Andrew Lamanche]

Yes, Tim, you have been right; I have finally located the agree link/box to 
make the process move on.  I’m grateful for the insight; I’d never have guessed 
what the problem was.  Now I shall be vigilant in similar situations.  Good 
learning curve.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Yes, Google File Stream is only for G Suite accounts for Education or 
> Business.  Backup & Sync is more like your current Google Drive as it 
> continues to store files locally unless you place them in specific folders 
> that you configure not to sync.  Backup & Sync also does not handle Team 
> Drives, but this is often immaterial to personal Gmail users.  I can confirm 
> that you need to locate a checkbox for agreeing to terms and conditions 
> before the download will start though.  Beyond that, it should be a fairly 
> easy and accessible process.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 07:56, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> You may be right.  My Google account is with our School Board, so that may be 
> why I prefer File Stream.  I wasn't aware that it was limited to our G Suite 
> accounts.  I guess I should have investigated more in-depth before speaking.  
> My bad.  will do some research and let you know.  I imagine that they're 
> similar, but better confirm before I spread misinformation again.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 00:59, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> When I looked at Google File Stream earlier on after I’d read your kind 
> response, I read on the page that in order to use File Stream I needed a 
> school or college Google account and no other option was present.  Curious 
> that because I do already have a Google account and I’ve never heard of 
> Google school account.  It just sounded to me as if File Stream was for 
> organisations and their admins.  Hence Backup and Sync for private users or 
> maybe it’s one and the same thing?  No rush with that anyway, Tim.  
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Andrew
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that there's a checkbox or something like that, that needs to be 
>> checked before the download will start.  If I remember correctly, it's not 
>> particularly obvious and it's not initially announced by VO.  You may need 
>> to do some looking around the page to see if you can find it.  If you still 
>> have problems with that, let me know and I'll try the download again.  I've 
>> still got the original dmg download on my Mac, so I've just been using it 
>> for installation on other machines.  I'm not sure why Google promotes the 
>> other two options, as I find Google Drive File Stream to be my best option.  
>> I guess that's a matter of opinion though.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 20:06, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Thanks for this but I have a question: is Google File Stream the same as 
>> Sync and Backup which the alert message mentions?  Also, once I am able to 
>> get it, will it automatically replace Google Drive, or do I have to delete 
>> it manually?  As I’ve said previously the alert message about Google Drive 
>> being discontinued contains a link to download its replacement but the 
>> download link on the page doesn’t seem to respond.  Any further suggestions, 
>> Tim?
>> 
>> Thanks again
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:05 AM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The Google Drive Desktop app and related interface is going away real soon. 
>>>  I suggest you download and install Google Drive File Stream.  It allows 
>>> you to have all your Google Drive files available to you, but they do not 
>>> use up space on the local drive unless you purposely download the item for 
>>> off-line use.  It has save me huge amounts of disk space on my Macs without 
>>> affecting my Google Drive space on in the Cloud.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 17:24, Maria Reyes >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m not exactually sure what this is, but I have the same thing on my 
>>> windows laptop. 
>>>  
>>> Sent from Mail  for Windows 
>>> 10
>>>  
>>> From: Andrew Lamanche 
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 5:18 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Google drive & sync and backup drive download
>>>  
>>> For a couple of weeks now, as 

Reading Threads In Order

[Bill Gallik]

 I wonder if anybody can suggest how to set up the native mail client (MacOS) 
so that a thread can be read one message at a time with the oldest (probably 
original message) being read first, the second oldest message read next and so 
on.

I have configured my mail so that oldest messages are at the top of the message 
list, but if I open a thread in aggregate it also seems to read the last 
message sent (the latest reply) first, then the penultimate reply second and so 
on until the originating message is the last one read.

Now, of course, I know that if I expand the thread the messages will then be 
listed in timestamp order with the oldest being the first listed going down the 
message list, but I’d like to be able to simply delete the currently read 
message and instantly focus on the following message without needing to open it 
explicitly.

Does anybody have any advice?


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RE: adding podcasts in native app

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, at the bottom of the screen you will find 4 tabs from left to right: listen 
now, library, browse, and search. You want to double tap on search. Find the 
search text field, and type in the name of the podcast. You should see a header 
with the search results. Once you find the podcast you want to subscribe to, 
flick until you hear subscribe. Then double tap. Now you should see the 
podcasts under library > shows. 

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From: jean parker
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 12:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: adding podcasts in native app

Hello All:

In the past, it has been an easy matter to search for a podcast then add it to 
my feed. Now however, the search field under the add button requires the full 
url instead of the podcast name. Am I missing something? How do I simply search 
for a podcast, decide I like it and add the feed to my podcasts?

Thanks in advance,

Jean

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Trans4m Center For Integral Development
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Re: hulu

[jeff `greene]

Hi, Just hold off for now! The one I purchased was streaming plus and
it was $9.99. Every time I bring it up I can't log into hulu. I log
into hulu fine from safari. I've sent an email to the developer (there
is a link to do so in the help menu), and am waiting to hear back.
Jeff


On 4/15/18, aliFaisal  wrote:
> Hello,
> I see them, however they are all paid and I didn’t want to buy one to find
> it not accessible so I didn’t bother. Is there a name of one that you know
> is accessible so I can search it by name?
>
>
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 1:24 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Yes, if you search for hulu on the mac app store there are 3 or 4
>> apps available there. As far as the hulu site the only thing I've done
>> is sign up I haven't tried playing anything from the website.
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 4/15/18, aliFaisal  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I wasn’t aware there was a Hulu app for the mac? If it’s accessible, I
>>> will
>>> have to try it out. I was mainly talking about for IOS.
>>> It’s interesting that you said the website was accessible. In my
>>> experience,
>>> this wasn’t the case at all. It seemed disorganized, adjusting playback
>>> is
>>> impossible, or at least I couldn’t find a way, and the entire thing just
>>> seemed cluttered.
>>> I am going to have to try the Hulu app for the mac. Is it available in
>>> the
>>> mac app store?
>>> Thanks
>>>
 On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:29 AM, jeff `greene 
 wrote:

 Hi I downloaded a hulu app from the mac app store and it seems
 accessible. But, I keep getting there is a problem signing into hulu
 message. Signing up for hulu's free trial was no problem, the website
 was very easy to navigate. I'll have to keep experimenting, I have a
 30-day free trial, I'll let you know how it goes!
 Jeff


 On 4/14/18, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
> And they seem to have no interest in improving accessibility of it
> either
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 5:19 PM, aliFaisal 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn’t bother, it is completely inaccessible.
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:19 PM, jeff `greene 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I've been thinking of signing up for hulu's free trial. Just
>>> wondering if anybody on the list has tried the hulu app found on the
>>> app store? I think the app is like $7.99 or $9.99 so I'd like to
>>> find
>>> out how accessible it is before buying!
>>> thanks Jeff
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Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In High Sierra, for non-password fields, the Auto-Fill is working, albeit 
somewhat differently than in the past.  If you tab to the field, VO will 
announce "Username" and something about auto-fill available.  You can type the 
first letter or two of the auto-fill field, then arrow through the options.  
Press return when you have the one you desire.  I have yet to determine how to 
deal with auto-fill passwords from Keychain though.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2018, at 11:53, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hi guys,

Actually this auto fill issue is in deed a bug in iOS and Mac OS High Sierra 
but not a VoiceOVer specific bug as I had a lengthy conversation last week with 
Apple accessibility as on the Mac the auto fill fields stopped working. They 
are well aware of it and are working on a fix. On the Mac and I do not know if 
the iPhone is behaving in the same manner but when you are on your user name 
you can with QuickNav turned off hit your down arrow and then enter and the 
fields will be populated. The issue is VoiceOVer of course does not tell you 
that you are on a user name for this site. I imagine iOS is performing similar 
behavior. We will just have to keep our fingers crossed that Apple gets this 
fixed and fixes the VoiceOVer issues with it as well.

> On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Maria Reyes  > wrote:
> 
> Danny, 
> To enable Touch ID go to settings > touch ID and passcode then follow the 
> steps. Then go to the website. Make sure you are after the prediction bar or 
> the keyboard. I think the button is called autofill contact. 
>  
> Sent from Mail  for Windows 10
>  
> From: Jonathan Cohn 
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?
>  
> I did not see any support for auto fill in assistive touch where I was hoping 
> to find it to help with this issue.
>  
> Oh well, I guess there is accessibil...@apple.com 
>  .
>  
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
>  
> Unfortunately this is not a bug but a feature. There were concerns about 
> auto-fill inputting information without users knowledge. I guess somebody 
> figured out a way to use autofill functionality with JavaScript to cause 
> logins or other activities without user knowledge. I did recently read how 
> even a carefully crafted CSS could be used to steal passwords and usernames, 
> though I would think that autofill would prevent that type of hack.. In any 
> case, in addition to allowing webforms on other applications to use Safari 
> Autofill information, they now require that autofill only works after tapping 
> a point on the screen. I wonder if they added any autofill to the low 
> mobility interfaces.
>  
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> I'm always beta testing, so I'm used to ignoring small bugs that get fixed in 
> final builds. Yesterday, though, I updated a client's iPad to iOS 11.3, and 
> the iPad stopped auto-filling the client's Amazon password. I noticed this in 
> the betas on my own devices, but thought nothing of it.
>  
> We do a lot of work with Amazon and Audible, so this is a pretty big 
> annoyance. The option to fill in the password is there, but the password no 
> longer appears automatically as it used to. Now, the client has to find the 
> option to fill it in above the keyboard, while trying not to touch somewhere 
> on the page and thus dismiss the keyboard. Is there any way to get things 
> back to how they were? Thanks for any ideas.
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Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?

[Brian Fischler]

Hi guys,

Actually this auto fill issue is in deed a bug in iOS and Mac OS High Sierra 
but not a VoiceOVer specific bug as I had a lengthy conversation last week with 
Apple accessibility as on the Mac the auto fill fields stopped working. They 
are well aware of it and are working on a fix. On the Mac and I do not know if 
the iPhone is behaving in the same manner but when you are on your user name 
you can with QuickNav turned off hit your down arrow and then enter and the 
fields will be populated. The issue is VoiceOVer of course does not tell you 
that you are on a user name for this site. I imagine iOS is performing similar 
behavior. We will just have to keep our fingers crossed that Apple gets this 
fixed and fixes the VoiceOVer issues with it as well.

> On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> Danny, 
> To enable Touch ID go to settings > touch ID and passcode then follow the 
> steps. Then go to the website. Make sure you are after the prediction bar or 
> the keyboard. I think the button is called autofill contact. 
>  
> Sent from Mail  for Windows 10
>  
> From: Jonathan Cohn 
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?
>  
> I did not see any support for auto fill in assistive touch where I was hoping 
> to find it to help with this issue.
>  
> Oh well, I guess there is accessibil...@apple.com 
>  .
>  
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
>  
> Unfortunately this is not a bug but a feature. There were concerns about 
> auto-fill inputting information without users knowledge. I guess somebody 
> figured out a way to use autofill functionality with JavaScript to cause 
> logins or other activities without user knowledge. I did recently read how 
> even a carefully crafted CSS could be used to steal passwords and usernames, 
> though I would think that autofill would prevent that type of hack.. In any 
> case, in addition to allowing webforms on other applications to use Safari 
> Autofill information, they now require that autofill only works after tapping 
> a point on the screen. I wonder if they added any autofill to the low 
> mobility interfaces.
>  
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> I'm always beta testing, so I'm used to ignoring small bugs that get fixed in 
> final builds. Yesterday, though, I updated a client's iPad to iOS 11.3, and 
> the iPad stopped auto-filling the client's Amazon password. I noticed this in 
> the betas on my own devices, but thought nothing of it.
>  
> We do a lot of work with Amazon and Audible, so this is a pretty big 
> annoyance. The option to fill in the password is there, but the password no 
> longer appears automatically as it used to. Now, the client has to find the 
> option to fill it in above the keyboard, while trying not to touch somewhere 
> on the page and thus dismiss the keyboard. Is there any way to get things 
> back to how they were? Thanks for any ideas.
> 
> --
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A bootcamp glitch

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
I am trying to bootcamp a Mini.  When I get to the  point where it wants to
partition the drive it hangs.  I feel there is probably a password entry
field, but I cannot find one using either VO-F2 or VO-F1.  Any suggestions
appreciated.
 

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adding podcasts in native app

[jean parker]

Hello All:

In the past, it has been an easy matter to search for a podcast then add it to 
my feed. Now however, the search field under the add button requires the full 
url instead of the podcast name. Am I missing something? How do I simply search 
for a podcast, decide I like it and add the feed to my podcasts?

Thanks in advance,

Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have not used Visual Studio Code (VSC) personally, but my understandings are:
1. It is developed with Active Script (better known as JavaScript)  and not 
Java 
2. It is supposed to work with VoiceOver, I believe I even remember somebody 
exclaiming about how accessible it was. 

I did find the below after a quick Google search:
The Accessibility features in Visual Studio for Mac are turned off by default. 
To enable them, do the following steps:
1. Go to Visual Studio > Preferences > Other > Accessibility.
2. Select the Enable Accessibility checkbox, as illustrated in the following 
diagram:
 Enable accessibility checkbox image 
3. Press the Restart Visual Studio button to allow the accessibility features 
to take effect.
Alternatively, you can use the command line to enable accessibility features. 
To do this, enter the following command in terminal:

defaults write com.microsoft.visual-studio com.monodevelop.AccessibilityEnabled 
1 
After turning on accessibility, you need to restart Visual Studio.

> On Apr 16, 2018, at 6:02 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> There’s just one problem. Visual Studio Code, or VS Code, sucks on macOS as 
> far as accessibility goes. It is a Java app and Java apps, for the most part, 
> are a nightmare with VoiceOver. For starters, the editor doesn’t read, so 
> good luck reviewing code.
> :(
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> As Alex already mentioned, Swift is a programming language. The actuall code 
>> that interfaces with IOS is the "Frameworks" I am sure you have heard of 
>> Webkit and AppKit these are specific frameworks, which are essentially just  
>> libraries of objects, methods and properties that provides  some 
>> functionality. There is even the ability to do ".NET" programming directly 
>> for IOS devices using I believe Visual Studio Code. If you are looking to 
>> develop Applications on Macintosh that better interface with AD products 
>> that is probably the way to go, though I have not read anything.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>  
>>> Thanks and yes this is exactly what I’m looking for.
>>>  
>>> The itunes U wasn’t something I’d have thought of but will check it out.
>>>  
>>> Developing apps for the iPad
>>> Does that need to be done on the iPad or within the IOS platform I guess 
>>> SDK or is there a swift development kit for the Mac OS platform also,
>>> Or is that an x code SDK with swift coding abilities also?
>>>  
>>> I was told there was an emulator for the IOS platform on the mac os app 
>>> store!
>>>  
>>> Ch eers for now ans if you have any other suggestions please let me know.
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>>> Sent: Friday, 13 April 2018 2:39 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps
>>>  
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>  
>>> I am supposed to promote these titles in iBooks when doing presentations to 
>>> teachers and such, so I'll suggest them to you as well.  In the iBooks 
>>> Store, type "Swift" into the Search field and check out the results.  My 
>>> recommendation is to first download Swift Playgrounds to your iPad and go 
>>> through the Learn to Code with Swift Playgrounds 1, 2 and 3.  There is also 
>>> an iTunes U course you can take which is found in the iTunes U app on your 
>>> iPad.  Open the iTunes U app, double-tap the Featured tab, activate the 
>>> search field, then type Playground.  There should be the Learn to Code with 
>>> Swift Playground course there and some other titles.  There are App 
>>> Development iBooks as well that will show up when you do the previous 
>>> search in the iBooks Store.  Hopefully, this is the sort of thing that 
>>> you're looking for.
>>>  
>>> Later...
>>>  
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>  
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 04:22, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> I've got a couple of things I'd like to develop in the way of apps for IOS 
>>> and wondered if anyone had information on the best way to get into app 
>>> development?
>>> 
>>> I've just purchased myself a new iPad Pro 10.5 inch 256GB device which will 
>>> be somewhat easier to carry around and work on.
>>> 
>>> But need to start looking at swift development 
>>> Another question is 
>>> Can you develop apps on the iPad or do you have to do it on / via Mac OS 
>>> and an SDK 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: apple watch buy or wait?

[sandi sørensen]

Interesting that it have working profiles, i was not aware of that , how good 
is it at tracking if  you are into some gymnastics, then?


Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Apr 2018, at 11.23, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What you tell it you wish tracked.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of sandi sørensen
> Sent: Monday, 16 April 2018 5:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch buy or wait?
> 
> How much health does the watch track, though?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2018, at 06.23, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> I have waited this long, so I guess I will just wait for the 4 I would 
>> hate to buy the 3 now, and have the 4 be so much better
>> 
>>> On 4/15/18, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> First, I love my Apple Watch Series 3. I mainly use the silent time 
>>> check, the vibration alerts (especially for navigation with Apple 
>>> Maps), and the ability to make/answer calls when my iPhone is not 
>>> with me. Oh yes, and the health tracking.
>>> 
>>> That said, if a new Apple Watch comes out later this year, it 
>>> promises to be even better. At that time, I will sell my Series 3 
>>> Cellular, and get a Series 4 Cellular.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 16 Apr 2018, at 11:41, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Wait,
 
 I’d say wait
 Is there really any reason to buy now when you can wait to get the 
 new one in 5 months,
 
 
 
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 Just came in to the funds to get an Apple Watch series 3. I have a 
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Re: Google drive & sync and backup drive download

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, Google File Stream is only for G Suite accounts for Education or Business. 
 Backup & Sync is more like your current Google Drive as it continues to store 
files locally unless you place them in specific folders that you configure not 
to sync.  Backup & Sync also does not handle Team Drives, but this is often 
immaterial to personal Gmail users.  I can confirm that you need to locate a 
checkbox for agreeing to terms and conditions before the download will start 
though.  Beyond that, it should be a fairly easy and accessible process.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2018, at 07:56, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

You may be right.  My Google account is with our School Board, so that may be 
why I prefer File Stream.  I wasn't aware that it was limited to our G Suite 
accounts.  I guess I should have investigated more in-depth before speaking.  
My bad.  will do some research and let you know.  I imagine that they're 
similar, but better confirm before I spread misinformation again.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2018, at 00:59, Andrew Lamanche > wrote:

Hi Tim,

When I looked at Google File Stream earlier on after I’d read your kind 
response, I read on the page that in order to use File Stream I needed a school 
or college Google account and no other option was present.  Curious that 
because I do already have a Google account and I’ve never heard of Google 
school account.  It just sounded to me as if File Stream was for organisations 
and their admins.  Hence Backup and Sync for private users or maybe it’s one 
and the same thing?  No rush with that anyway, Tim.  

Thanks again

Andrew
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that there's a checkbox or something like that, that needs to be 
> checked before the download will start.  If I remember correctly, it's not 
> particularly obvious and it's not initially announced by VO.  You may need to 
> do some looking around the page to see if you can find it.  If you still have 
> problems with that, let me know and I'll try the download again.  I've still 
> got the original dmg download on my Mac, so I've just been using it for 
> installation on other machines.  I'm not sure why Google promotes the other 
> two options, as I find Google Drive File Stream to be my best option.  I 
> guess that's a matter of opinion though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 20:06, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks for this but I have a question: is Google File Stream the same as Sync 
> and Backup which the alert message mentions?  Also, once I am able to get it, 
> will it automatically replace Google Drive, or do I have to delete it 
> manually?  As I’ve said previously the alert message about Google Drive being 
> discontinued contains a link to download its replacement but the download 
> link on the page doesn’t seem to respond.  Any further suggestions, Tim?
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Andrew
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:05 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The Google Drive Desktop app and related interface is going away real soon.  
>> I suggest you download and install Google Drive File Stream.  It allows you 
>> to have all your Google Drive files available to you, but they do not use up 
>> space on the local drive unless you purposely download the item for off-line 
>> use.  It has save me huge amounts of disk space on my Macs without affecting 
>> my Google Drive space on in the Cloud.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 17:24, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not exactually sure what this is, but I have the same thing on my 
>> windows laptop. 
>>  
>> Sent from Mail  for Windows 
>> 10
>>  
>> From: Andrew Lamanche 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 5:18 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Google drive & sync and backup drive download
>>  
>> For a couple of weeks now, as soon as I restart my macwhen Google Drive was 
>> installed it was called backup and sync. After closing out everything, I’m 
>> taken to this backup and sync thing and I can’t really navigate through it. 
>> book pro, I get a message that tells me Google Drive is going away soon, and 
>> is being replaced by Sync and Backup.  The message contains a link to “learn 
>> more’ and “download”.  The download button opens up the relevant page in 
>> Safari but when I press download link, nothing happens.  Has anyone else had 
>> this happen to 

Seven Simple Steps Toward Online Privacy – Robert Epstein – Medium

[Traci Duncan]

Interesting article. What are your thoughts?

BTW, is Firefox accessible on the Mac?

Hope you enjoy,
Traci

https://medium.com/@re_53711/seven-simple-steps-toward-online-privacy-20dcbb9fa82

Seven Simple Steps Toward Online Privacy
Robert EpsteinMar 16, 2017
I haven’t received a targeted ad on my computer or mobile phone for more than 
two years now. If you care about your privacy — or even if you’re just sick of 
being bombarded by ads for diet pills seconds after you send an email to a 
friend complaining that your pants are too tight — here are seven simple steps 
you can take to make your online presence more private:

1) Junk Gmail. All Gmail emails, both incoming and outgoing — even the angry 
draft emails you decided not to send — are analyzed and stored permanently by 
Google, Inc., with every snippet of information the company can extract from 
your emails added to the massive profile it has compiled about you. I recommend 
using http://ProtonMail.com instead of Gmail. It’s based in Switzerland and 
subject to strict Swiss privacy laws. It takes only a few seconds to sign up, 
because the company doesn’t ask anything about you (imagine that!). The basic 
service is free, and the paid version is cheap. ProtonMail is incredibly easy 
to use, and it also uses end-to-end encryption for maximum privacy. 
Unfortunately, you might be using Gmail and not even know it. To save money, 
thousands of businesses and universities use Gmail under their own brands — 
even news services such as The Guardian, U.S. News & World Report, Salon, and 
The Hill. To find out whether you have been unknowingly corresponding with 
someone through Google servers, open that person’s email and then find and 
click on the “view full header” option in your email software. If you find 
“google.com” anywhere in the expanded header, Google has been monitoring all of 
your communications with that sender. Even if you switch to ProtonMail, you 
will still have no privacy when corresponding with someone using Gmail or 
hidden Google servers. I tell such people that if they want to communicate with 
me, they will need to use a different email service, and they usually do.

2) Switch Search Engines. Google’s search engine is the best because it indexes 
far more web pages than anyone else — at least 45 billion. But Google (the 
search engine) is also the most aggressive spying tool ever invented — funded 
from the outset by the NSA and the CIA to identify people who are a threat to 
national security. Google records every search you conduct, and your Google 
profile contains a complete history of every search you ever conducted — even 
those sketchy ones! Worse still, my research has shown in recent years that 
Google’s search engine is also the most powerful mind control device ever 
devised; it shifts the opinions of millions of people around the world every 
day without them knowing it. Instead of using Google.com, use 
http://StartPage.com. If you use the Firebox browser, you can even make 
StartPage your default search engine. Why StartPage? Because it doesn’t track 
you, and because it gives you full access to Google’s amazing index. In other 
words, it gives you great search results while also preserving your privacy. 
StartPage also doesn’t give you any search suggestions, which Google uses 
systematically to direct your searches as they please.

3) Kill Chrome. Google developed the Chrome browser because the massive amount 
of information they were collecting about you from their search engine wasn’t 
enough for them. With Chrome, they can see which web pages you visit — and what 
you do on those pages — even if you go to those pages directly rather than 
going through their search engine. If you value your privacy, never use Chrome, 
even in the bogus “incognito” mode. Instead, use http://Firefox.com, which is 
maintained by a nonprofit organization. As I reveal in “The New Censorship,” 
Google can still get information about you when you’re using Firefox or Safari, 
but nowhere near as much as they get when you’re using Chrome.

4) Axe Android. As I explain in “Google’s Gotcha,” even Chrome didn’t give 
Google enough information about you, so the company developed Android, an 
operating system for phones and other mobile devices — the equivalent of the 
Windows operating system that’s on most desktop computers. Chrome gives Google 
information about you only when you’re online, but because Android controls all 
your phone’s functions, it can track you — the phone numbers you dial or the 
music files you access , for example—even when you’re offline. If you value 
your privacy, donate your Android phone to a charity (such as 
http://CellPhonesForSoldiers.com), and buy a phone from a company that doesn’t 
use Google’s deceptive business model. Companies like Apple, Microsoft and 
Blackberry make most of their money by selling products, whereas Google makes 
almost all of its money by suckering you with free services it uses to 

Re: iTunes reports busy

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try starting up iTunes while holding down the Option key.  This will force 
iTunes to ask which library you'd like to start from.  I'd create a new iTunes 
Library, and see if iTunes, the app, starts normally.  If it does, then there's 
likely an issue with the iTunes database file, not your music, the database 
that logs the various media and locations of everything.  If iTunes does start 
up using this process, you can repair the old library, or at least attempt to, 
using the following method...

https://www.kirkville.com/how-to-rebuild-your-itunes-library/ 


Otherwise, if playlists that you've created are not a factor, you can simply 
use the new library that you created, and import all the music from the 
original library into this new one using the Add to Library item under the File 
menu.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2018, at 02:18, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Andrew,

I’m also still on Sierra and having no trouble at all with iTunes. Have you 
done the usual things to fix minor problems such as First Aid in Disk Utility 
and reinitialising the PRAM? Then you could throw out your iTunes Preferences 
and see what happens.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 15 Apr 2018, at 23:16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m still on Sierra on macbook pro 2014.  Recently iTunes started playing up. 
>  When I attempt to open the app, voiceover says “busy” all the time and 
> iTunes doesn’t open.  Then I get a message of non-responsive application and 
> have to force quit iTunes.  I have to restart my mac to be able to open 
> iTunes.  Is there a way of somehow resetting or debugging iTunes?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Issues with the latest version of Cloud on my Mac.

[Scott Berry]

Firstly, you need to unlink your accounts.  Then you need to download the 
newest version and to relink your accounts it will go through a tutorial just 
hit the right arrow button about 5 or 6 times after putting in your username 
and password.  This should do the trick.  If not then you need to take screen 
shots of what’s going on and send that to:

supp...@pcloud.com  and they are pretty responsive 
and do well with tech support.



> On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:56 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I have whichever the latest version is, which I downloaded this passed 
> Friday.  How do I tell it to run that?
>  It didn’t ask me to run anything, just popped up several text fields that I 
> had to navigate a lot to even figure out what they displayed, then the usual 
> “continue,” buttons, and that’s all.
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Jessica,
>> 
>> The first question might seem very simple but it’s the most important.  Do 
>> you have version 3.6.3 as that has a new SSL certificate and it is mandatory 
>> that you must run that version?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve just noticed after updated to the latest version of PCloud, that all 
>>> of a sudden, it was no longer asking for my password, and displaying 
>>> “PCloud has no windows,” message when I launched the application.  I’ve 
>>> gone into the activity manager and both quit and force quit the process, 
>>> and uninstalled and reinstalled the application multiple tines along with 
>>> deleting and emptying everything from the trash and starting over with a 
>>> new instalation, but nothing worked.
>>> Has anyone else had this issue?  I really didn’t want to even have to 
>>> update it, sense nothing was wrong with the version I was using, until 
>>> Thursday night, when I was trying to connect to it, and it was trying to 
>>> tell me I had no interection, which was a lie; I had perfectly good 
>>> internet connection, because I was reading my e-mail while trying to upload 
>>> stuff to PCloud itself.
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Re: Google drive & sync and backup drive download

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You may be right.  My Google account is with our School Board, so that may be 
why I prefer File Stream.  I wasn't aware that it was limited to our G Suite 
accounts.  I guess I should have investigated more in-depth before speaking.  
My bad.  will do some research and let you know.  I imagine that they're 
similar, but better confirm before I spread misinformation again.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2018, at 00:59, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hi Tim,

When I looked at Google File Stream earlier on after I’d read your kind 
response, I read on the page that in order to use File Stream I needed a school 
or college Google account and no other option was present.  Curious that 
because I do already have a Google account and I’ve never heard of Google 
school account.  It just sounded to me as if File Stream was for organisations 
and their admins.  Hence Backup and Sync for private users or maybe it’s one 
and the same thing?  No rush with that anyway, Tim.  

Thanks again

Andrew
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that there's a checkbox or something like that, that needs to be 
> checked before the download will start.  If I remember correctly, it's not 
> particularly obvious and it's not initially announced by VO.  You may need to 
> do some looking around the page to see if you can find it.  If you still have 
> problems with that, let me know and I'll try the download again.  I've still 
> got the original dmg download on my Mac, so I've just been using it for 
> installation on other machines.  I'm not sure why Google promotes the other 
> two options, as I find Google Drive File Stream to be my best option.  I 
> guess that's a matter of opinion though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 20:06, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks for this but I have a question: is Google File Stream the same as Sync 
> and Backup which the alert message mentions?  Also, once I am able to get it, 
> will it automatically replace Google Drive, or do I have to delete it 
> manually?  As I’ve said previously the alert message about Google Drive being 
> discontinued contains a link to download its replacement but the download 
> link on the page doesn’t seem to respond.  Any further suggestions, Tim?
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Andrew
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:05 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The Google Drive Desktop app and related interface is going away real soon.  
>> I suggest you download and install Google Drive File Stream.  It allows you 
>> to have all your Google Drive files available to you, but they do not use up 
>> space on the local drive unless you purposely download the item for off-line 
>> use.  It has save me huge amounts of disk space on my Macs without affecting 
>> my Google Drive space on in the Cloud.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 17:24, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not exactually sure what this is, but I have the same thing on my 
>> windows laptop. 
>>  
>> Sent from Mail  for Windows 
>> 10
>>  
>> From: Andrew Lamanche 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 5:18 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Google drive & sync and backup drive download
>>  
>> For a couple of weeks now, as soon as I restart my macwhen Google Drive was 
>> installed it was called backup and sync. After closing out everything, I’m 
>> taken to this backup and sync thing and I can’t really navigate through it. 
>> book pro, I get a message that tells me Google Drive is going away soon, and 
>> is being replaced by Sync and Backup.  The message contains a link to “learn 
>> more’ and “download”.  The download button opens up the relevant page in 
>> Safari but when I press download link, nothing happens.  Has anyone else had 
>> this happen to them?
>>  
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Re: Issues with the latest version of Cloud on my Mac.

[Jessica Moss]

I have whichever the latest version is, which I downloaded this passed Friday.  
How do I tell it to run that?
  It didn’t ask me to run anything, just popped up several text fields that I 
had to navigate a lot to even figure out what they displayed, then the usual 
“continue,” buttons, and that’s all.
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
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> Hey Jessica,
> 
> The first question might seem very simple but it’s the most important.  Do 
> you have version 3.6.3 as that has a new SSL certificate and it is mandatory 
> that you must run that version?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> I’ve just noticed after updated to the latest version of PCloud, that all of 
>> a sudden, it was no longer asking for my password, and displaying “PCloud 
>> has no windows,” message when I launched the application.  I’ve gone into 
>> the activity manager and both quit and force quit the process, and 
>> uninstalled and reinstalled the application multiple tines along with 
>> deleting and emptying everything from the trash and starting over with a new 
>> instalation, but nothing worked.
>> Has anyone else had this issue?  I really didn’t want to even have to update 
>> it, sense nothing was wrong with the version I was using, until Thursday 
>> night, when I was trying to connect to it, and it was trying to tell me I 
>> had no interection, which was a lie; I had perfectly good internet 
>> connection, because I was reading my e-mail while trying to upload stuff to 
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Re: Issues with the latest version of Cloud on my Mac.

[Scott Berry]

Hey Jessica,

The first question might seem very simple but it’s the most important.  Do you 
have version 3.6.3 as that has a new SSL certificate and it is mandatory that 
you must run that version?



> On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just noticed after updated to the latest version of PCloud, that all of 
> a sudden, it was no longer asking for my password, and displaying “PCloud has 
> no windows,” message when I launched the application.  I’ve gone into the 
> activity manager and both quit and force quit the process, and uninstalled 
> and reinstalled the application multiple tines along with deleting and 
> emptying everything from the trash and starting over with a new instalation, 
> but nothing worked.
>  Has anyone else had this issue?  I really didn’t want to even have to update 
> it, sense nothing was wrong with the version I was using, until Thursday 
> night, when I was trying to connect to it, and it was trying to tell me I had 
> no interection, which was a lie; I had perfectly good internet connection, 
> because I was reading my e-mail while trying to upload stuff to PCloud itself.
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holy coolness

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi listers,

I've just had what I think is something coolhappen.

Now some of you may well have noticed or had this happen before but for me it 
was a new feature,

I just purchased an iPad pro 10.5inch and smart kb,
I've just been setting it up and wished to setup hey siri so put my earpods in 
to stop the pad hearing vo speak,

 What I found was that only one of the airpods connected or appeared to work 
with the iPad pro,
 So I thought for gits and shiggles I'd test my phone
To find that one airpod worked from my phone and one worked from the iPad pro,

So it would appear if I'm not mistaken that you are going to be able if not 
already able to split the earpods audio between different devices.

The iPad is running what ever the latest 11.3 is and the iphone x is running 
11.4 PB

Very cool,
Now if only they would release the air pad for charging and the airpod wifi 
charging case,



Happy playing folks.


Simon F

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Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps

[Joshua Tubbs]

There’s just one problem. Visual Studio Code, or VS Code, sucks on macOS as far 
as accessibility goes. It is a Java app and Java apps, for the most part, are a 
nightmare with VoiceOver. For starters, the editor doesn’t read, so good luck 
reviewing code.
:(

> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As Alex already mentioned, Swift is a programming language. The actuall code 
> that interfaces with IOS is the "Frameworks" I am sure you have heard of 
> Webkit and AppKit these are specific frameworks, which are essentially just  
> libraries of objects, methods and properties that provides  some 
> functionality. There is even the ability to do ".NET" programming directly 
> for IOS devices using I believe Visual Studio Code. If you are looking to 
> develop Applications on Macintosh that better interface with AD products that 
> is probably the way to go, though I have not read anything.
> 
> HTH,
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>>  
>> Thanks and yes this is exactly what I’m looking for.
>>  
>> The itunes U wasn’t something I’d have thought of but will check it out.
>>  
>> Developing apps for the iPad
>> Does that need to be done on the iPad or within the IOS platform I guess SDK 
>> or is there a swift development kit for the Mac OS platform also,
>> Or is that an x code SDK with swift coding abilities also?
>>  
>> I was told there was an emulator for the IOS platform on the mac os app 
>> store!
>>  
>> Ch eers for now ans if you have any other suggestions please let me know.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Friday, 13 April 2018 2:39 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps
>>  
>> Hi Simon,
>>  
>> I am supposed to promote these titles in iBooks when doing presentations to 
>> teachers and such, so I'll suggest them to you as well.  In the iBooks 
>> Store, type "Swift" into the Search field and check out the results.  My 
>> recommendation is to first download Swift Playgrounds to your iPad and go 
>> through the Learn to Code with Swift Playgrounds 1, 2 and 3.  There is also 
>> an iTunes U course you can take which is found in the iTunes U app on your 
>> iPad.  Open the iTunes U app, double-tap the Featured tab, activate the 
>> search field, then type Playground.  There should be the Learn to Code with 
>> Swift Playground course there and some other titles.  There are App 
>> Development iBooks as well that will show up when you do the previous search 
>> in the iBooks Store.  Hopefully, this is the sort of thing that you're 
>> looking for.
>>  
>> Later...
>>  
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>  
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 04:22, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> I've got a couple of things I'd like to develop in the way of apps for IOS 
>> and wondered if anyone had information on the best way to get into app 
>> development?
>> 
>> I've just purchased myself a new iPad Pro 10.5 inch 256GB device which will 
>> be somewhat easier to carry around and work on.
>> 
>> But need to start looking at swift development 
>> Another question is 
>> Can you develop apps on the iPad or do you have to do it on / via Mac OS and 
>> an SDK 
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> Simon F
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Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps

[Joshua Tubbs]

> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As Alex already mentioned, Swift is a programming language. The actuall code 
> that interfaces with IOS is the "Frameworks" I am sure you have heard of 
> Webkit and AppKit these are specific frameworks, which are essentially just  
> libraries of objects, methods and properties that provides  some 
> functionality. There is even the ability to do ".NET" programming directly 
> for IOS devices using I believe Visual Studio Code. If you are looking to 
> develop Applications on Macintosh that better interface with AD products that 
> is probably the way to go, though I have not read anything.
> 
> HTH,
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>>  
>> Thanks and yes this is exactly what I’m looking for.
>>  
>> The itunes U wasn’t something I’d have thought of but will check it out.
>>  
>> Developing apps for the iPad
>> Does that need to be done on the iPad or within the IOS platform I guess SDK 
>> or is there a swift development kit for the Mac OS platform also,
>> Or is that an x code SDK with swift coding abilities also?
>>  
>> I was told there was an emulator for the IOS platform on the mac os app 
>> store!
>>  
>> Ch eers for now ans if you have any other suggestions please let me know.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Friday, 13 April 2018 2:39 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps
>>  
>> Hi Simon,
>>  
>> I am supposed to promote these titles in iBooks when doing presentations to 
>> teachers and such, so I'll suggest them to you as well.  In the iBooks 
>> Store, type "Swift" into the Search field and check out the results.  My 
>> recommendation is to first download Swift Playgrounds to your iPad and go 
>> through the Learn to Code with Swift Playgrounds 1, 2 and 3.  There is also 
>> an iTunes U course you can take which is found in the iTunes U app on your 
>> iPad.  Open the iTunes U app, double-tap the Featured tab, activate the 
>> search field, then type Playground.  There should be the Learn to Code with 
>> Swift Playground course there and some other titles.  There are App 
>> Development iBooks as well that will show up when you do the previous search 
>> in the iBooks Store.  Hopefully, this is the sort of thing that you're 
>> looking for.
>>  
>> Later...
>>  
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>  
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 04:22, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> I've got a couple of things I'd like to develop in the way of apps for IOS 
>> and wondered if anyone had information on the best way to get into app 
>> development?
>> 
>> I've just purchased myself a new iPad Pro 10.5 inch 256GB device which will 
>> be somewhat easier to carry around and work on.
>> 
>> But need to start looking at swift development 
>> Another question is 
>> Can you develop apps on the iPad or do you have to do it on / via Mac OS and 
>> an SDK 
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> Simon F
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RE: apple watch buy or wait?

[Simon Fogarty]

What you tell it you wish tracked.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of sandi sørensen
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2018 5:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple watch buy or wait?

How much health does the watch track, though?


Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Apr 2018, at 06.23, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I have waited this long, so I guess I will just wait for the 4 I would 
> hate to buy the 3 now, and have the 4 be so much better
> 
>> On 4/15/18, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> First, I love my Apple Watch Series 3. I mainly use the silent time 
>> check, the vibration alerts (especially for navigation with Apple 
>> Maps), and the ability to make/answer calls when my iPhone is not 
>> with me. Oh yes, and the health tracking.
>> 
>> That said, if a new Apple Watch comes out later this year, it 
>> promises to be even better. At that time, I will sell my Series 3 
>> Cellular, and get a Series 4 Cellular.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Apr 2018, at 11:41, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wait,
>>> 
>>> I’d say wait
>>> Is there really any reason to buy now when you can wait to get the 
>>> new one in 5 months,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Monday, 16 April 2018 8:40 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: apple watch buy or wait?
>>> 
>>> Just came in to the funds to get an Apple Watch series 3. I have a 
>>> series 1. Should I buy now, or wait till September?
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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RE: apple watch buy or wait?

[Simon Fogarty]

That's pretty much what I would do,

 But I'm having enough of an issue currently getting apple care plus to repair 
my s2 apple watch,
It's only a broken screen but still I've only being trying to get the repair 
done for the passed 18 days.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2018 4:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple watch buy or wait?

I have waited this long, so I guess I will just wait for the 4 I would hate to 
buy the 3 now, and have the 4 be so much better

On 4/15/18, David Chittenden  wrote:
> First, I love my Apple Watch Series 3. I mainly use the silent time 
> check, the vibration alerts (especially for navigation with Apple 
> Maps), and the ability to make/answer calls when my iPhone is not with 
> me. Oh yes, and the health tracking.
>
> That said, if a new Apple Watch comes out later this year, it promises 
> to be even better. At that time, I will sell my Series 3 Cellular, and 
> get a Series 4 Cellular.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 16 Apr 2018, at 11:41, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Wait,
>>
>> I’d say wait
>>  Is there really any reason to buy now when you can wait to get the 
>> new one in 5 months,
>>
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Monday, 16 April 2018 8:40 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: apple watch buy or wait?
>>
>> Just came in to the funds to get an Apple Watch series 3. I have a 
>> series 1. Should I buy now, or wait till September?
>>
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: iTunes reports busy

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andrew,

I’m also still on Sierra and having no trouble at all with iTunes. Have you 
done the usual things to fix minor problems such as First Aid in Disk Utility 
and reinitialising the PRAM? Then you could throw out your iTunes Preferences 
and see what happens.

Cheers,

Anne

 

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 23:16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m still on Sierra on macbook pro 2014.  Recently iTunes started playing up. 
>  When I attempt to open the app, voiceover says “busy” all the time and 
> iTunes doesn’t open.  Then I get a message of non-responsive application and 
> have to force quit iTunes.  I have to restart my mac to be able to open 
> iTunes.  Is there a way of somehow resetting or debugging iTunes?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Google drive & sync and backup drive download

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Tim,

When I looked at Google File Stream earlier on after I’d read your kind 
response, I read on the page that in order to use File Stream I needed a school 
or college Google account and no other option was present.  Curious that 
because I do already have a Google account and I’ve never heard of Google 
school account.  It just sounded to me as if File Stream was for organisations 
and their admins.  Hence Backup and Sync for private users or maybe it’s one 
and the same thing?  No rush with that anyway, Tim.  

Thanks again

Andrew
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 3:53 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that there's a checkbox or something like that, that needs to be 
> checked before the download will start.  If I remember correctly, it's not 
> particularly obvious and it's not initially announced by VO.  You may need to 
> do some looking around the page to see if you can find it.  If you still have 
> problems with that, let me know and I'll try the download again.  I've still 
> got the original dmg download on my Mac, so I've just been using it for 
> installation on other machines.  I'm not sure why Google promotes the other 
> two options, as I find Google Drive File Stream to be my best option.  I 
> guess that's a matter of opinion though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 20:06, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks for this but I have a question: is Google File Stream the same as Sync 
> and Backup which the alert message mentions?  Also, once I am able to get it, 
> will it automatically replace Google Drive, or do I have to delete it 
> manually?  As I’ve said previously the alert message about Google Drive being 
> discontinued contains a link to download its replacement but the download 
> link on the page doesn’t seem to respond.  Any further suggestions, Tim?
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Andrew
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:05 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The Google Drive Desktop app and related interface is going away real soon.  
>> I suggest you download and install Google Drive File Stream.  It allows you 
>> to have all your Google Drive files available to you, but they do not use up 
>> space on the local drive unless you purposely download the item for off-line 
>> use.  It has save me huge amounts of disk space on my Macs without affecting 
>> my Google Drive space on in the Cloud.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 17:24, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not exactually sure what this is, but I have the same thing on my 
>> windows laptop. 
>>  
>> Sent from Mail  for Windows 
>> 10
>>  
>> From: Andrew Lamanche 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 5:18 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Google drive & sync and backup drive download
>>  
>> For a couple of weeks now, as soon as I restart my macwhen Google Drive was 
>> installed it was called backup and sync. After closing out everything, I’m 
>> taken to this backup and sync thing and I can’t really navigate through it. 
>> book pro, I get a message that tells me Google Drive is going away soon, and 
>> is being replaced by Sync and Backup.  The message contains a link to “learn 
>> more’ and “download”.  The download button opens up the relevant page in 
>> Safari but when I press download link, nothing happens.  Has anyone else had 
>> this happen to them?
>>  
>> Andrew
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Re: apple watch buy or wait?

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi
Personally, I don’t find the Apple Watch so useful, so I’ll just use my series 
2 until it dies and probably never buy a new one.

Yes it’s handy for notifications, and of course for telling the time, but hours 
go bye where I find that I don’t even touch it. In the past on a couple of 
occasions I forgot to put it on in the morning, then only realise I don’t have 
it on quite late in the day. So basically, if I don’t have it on I don’t miss 
it.

If I were you, I’d also wait for the series 4 to see what that brings. 

> On 16 Apr 2018, at 07:41, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Apple Watch and iPhone count total steps per day, and flights of stairs 
> climbed.
> 
> Apple Watch also regularly takes one's heartrate / pulse. Apple Watch also 
> has work-out profiles for running, jogging, swimming, arobics, and (I 
> believe) weight training.
> 
> I practice Martial Arts, but I do not ware my Apple Watch during practice, so 
> have not checked for such a profile.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2018, at 15:17, sandi sørensen  wrote:
>> 
>> How much health does the watch track, though?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 16 Apr 2018, at 06.23, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have waited this long, so I guess I will just wait for the 4 I would
>>> hate to buy the 3 now, and have the 4 be so much better
>>> 
 On 4/15/18, David Chittenden  wrote:
 First, I love my Apple Watch Series 3. I mainly use the silent time check,
 the vibration alerts (especially for navigation with Apple Maps), and the
 ability to make/answer calls when my iPhone is not with me. Oh yes, and the
 health tracking.
 
 That said, if a new Apple Watch comes out later this year, it promises to 
 be
 even better. At that time, I will sell my Series 3 Cellular, and get a
 Series 4 Cellular.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 16 Apr 2018, at 11:41, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Wait,
> 
> I’d say wait
> Is there really any reason to buy now when you can wait to get the new
> one in 5 months,
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Monday, 16 April 2018 8:40 AM
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> Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: apple watch buy or wait?
> 
> Just came in to the funds to get an Apple Watch series 3. I have a series
> 1. Should I buy now, or wait till September?
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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