Re: Adobe Reader

[Raymond Foret Jr]

When I get such a file, I use Abby Fine reader to run OCR on it and that 
usually does fine.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Feb 17, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> preview works fine with pdf's on a Mac at least for me as long as they're not 
> pictures. if they are, I don't know of any program that can read them.
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2019, at 5:22 PM, Angus MacKinnon > <mailto:thedog...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I opened a PDF with PDFPen 10 and get the message 'Please wait... If this 
>> message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, 
>> your PDF 
>> viewer may not be able to display this type of document.’. I have had lots 
>> of problems with Adobe Reader using many OSes and do not like to install 
>> and/or use Adobe Reader. Suggestions on what to do next? I am using Mojave 
>> (OS10.14)
>> 
>> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
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Re: Adobe Reader

[Lorie McCloud]

preview works fine with pdf's on a Mac at least for me as long as they're not 
pictures. if they are, I don't know of any program that can read them.

Lorie

> On Feb 17, 2019, at 5:22 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> I opened a PDF with PDFPen 10 and get the message 'Please wait... If this 
> message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, 
> your PDF 
> viewer may not be able to display this type of document.’. I have had lots of 
> problems with Adobe Reader using many OSes and do not like to install and/or 
> use Adobe Reader. Suggestions on what to do next? I am using Mojave (OS10.14)
> 
> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
> Hands Off Our Harness
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Adobe Reader

[Angus MacKinnon]

I opened a PDF with PDFPen 10 and get the message 'Please wait... If this 
message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, your 
PDF 
viewer may not be able to display this type of document.’. I have had lots of 
problems with Adobe Reader using many OSes and do not like to install and/or 
use Adobe Reader. Suggestions on what to do next? I am using Mojave (OS10.14)

Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
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Re: Adobe Reader & Image PDF Documents

[Bill Gallik]

OK, this is exactly what I was looking for!

Thanks



- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 11.2.5) via iCloud

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> FineReaderPro.  

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Re: Adobe Reader & Image PDF Documents

[Jessica Moss]

Will it allow you to edit these files as well?
> On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a OCR application on my mac called FineReaderPro.  It’s a paid app.  
> If I come across an image pdf you describe I open it in the OCR app and 
> recognise it into text.
> 
> Andrew
>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Can anybody advise as to how to deal with a situation where I am sent PDF 
>> documents that have been scanned in as image files.  When I try to open such 
>> PDF documents with Adobe Reader I get the message, “Alert, Empty Document”
>> 
>> 
>> I have ABBY Fine Reader on my PC to process the image from a document scan; 
>> is there some way to use a Mac version of ABBY to process those 
>> image-formatted PDF files to convert into something VoiceOver could read?
>> 
>> 
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Re: Adobe Reader & Image PDF Documents

[Andrew Lamanche]

I have a OCR application on my mac called FineReaderPro.  It’s a paid app.  If 
I come across an image pdf you describe I open it in the OCR app and recognise 
it into text.

Andrew
> On Feb 11, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Can anybody advise as to how to deal with a situation where I am sent PDF 
> documents that have been scanned in as image files.  When I try to open such 
> PDF documents with Adobe Reader I get the message, “Alert, Empty Document”
> 
> 
> I have ABBY Fine Reader on my PC to process the image from a document scan; 
> is there some way to use a Mac version of ABBY to process those 
> image-formatted PDF files to convert into something VoiceOver could read?
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Adobe Reader & Image PDF Documents

[Bill Gallik]

Can anybody advise as to how to deal with a situation where I am sent PDF 
documents that have been scanned in as image files.  When I try to open such 
PDF documents with Adobe Reader I get the message, “Alert, Empty Document”


I have ABBY Fine Reader on my PC to process the image from a document scan; is 
there some way to use a Mac version of ABBY to process those image-formatted 
PDF files to convert into something VoiceOver could read?



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)



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Re: Adobe Reader DC

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If all one is doing is reading the pdf, then there's Preview already on your 
Mac that will read pdf's just fine.  It doesn't handle columns as well as 
PDFPenPro but for does a pretty good job on most.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:58, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:

Or, if you have an iPhone, , forward it to your iPhone and use Voice Dream 
Reader to read it.
 
Arnold Schmidt
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> From: Chris Meredith <mailto:talli...@gmail.com>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Adobe Reader DC
> 
> Yes.  I even tried setting a hotspot on the PDF’s contents, which then 
> registered as inactive if I moved the VoiceOver focus outside the PDF 
> content.  As someone who’s worked in software QA for years now, I can 
> honestly say that Adobe should be full of shame for letting that problem get 
> past QA.  Time to spin up a Windows VM, I guess.
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:45 AM, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
>> only for this purpose
>> 
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>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>>> sort of newbie error?
>>> 
>>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

[Chris Meredith]

Ah—I can pretty much guarantee that the file won’t be properly labelled.  I was 
actually using the form SS-5 as a “known case”, where I knew things should work 
as expected.  The form I need to fill out is something for my 401(k) plan, 
where the PDFs may not be adequately labeled.
If it makes a difference, I was running PDFPen as a demo, but I don’t THINK 
that should make a difference, since the only thing it claims is different 
about the demo is that export functionality is broken and it stamps a smile 
logo on the PDF if you save it.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use PDFPenPro to fill out forms quite a bit.  Try pressing tab to go 
> through the document and see how it goes.  Of course, it totally depends on 
> how good the creator of the fillable pdf did at labelling.  Most pdf making 
> people don't bother taking the time to label the fields and such, thus making 
> it not particularly useful to us screen reader users.  Not sure how proper 
> those forms from your Social Security people are, but you'd hope that a 
> government operation would do a better job.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:36, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Half a sec.  Can you fill out forms with PDF Pen?  I tried downloading a form 
> from the Social Security Administration and PDF Pen failed to recognize the 
> fields.  Or, more correctly, VoiceOver failed to recognize that PDF Pen 
> recognized the fields.
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:03 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, 
>> copy, and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s 
>> PDFPen to the rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR 
>> those dreaded scanned documents into readable text.
>>> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as 
>>> well
>>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using 
>>> Windows only for this purpose
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey folks,
>>>> 
>>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>>>> sort of newbie error?
>>>> 
>>>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
>>>> 
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

[Arnold Schmidt]

Or, if you have an iPhone, , forward it to your iPhone and use Voice Dream 
Reader to read it.

Arnold Schmidt
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  From: Chris Meredith 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Adobe Reader DC


  Yes.  I even tried setting a hotspot on the PDF’s contents, which then 
registered as inactive if I moved the VoiceOver focus outside the PDF content.  
As someone who’s worked in software QA for years now, I can honestly say that 
Adobe should be full of shame for letting that problem get past QA.  Time to 
spin up a Windows VM, I guess.

On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:45 AM, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as 
well
I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using 
Windows only for this purpose

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  Hey folks,

  So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow 
access to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the good 
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  * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at 
all.

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Re: Adobe Reader DC

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I use PDFPenPro to fill out forms quite a bit.  Try pressing tab to go through 
the document and see how it goes.  Of course, it totally depends on how good 
the creator of the fillable pdf did at labelling.  Most pdf making people don't 
bother taking the time to label the fields and such, thus making it not 
particularly useful to us screen reader users.  Not sure how proper those forms 
from your Social Security people are, but you'd hope that a government 
operation would do a better job.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:36, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Half a sec.  Can you fill out forms with PDF Pen?  I tried downloading a form 
from the Social Security Administration and PDF Pen failed to recognize the 
fields.  Or, more correctly, VoiceOver failed to recognize that PDF Pen 
recognized the fields.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:03 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, 
> copy, and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s 
> PDFPen to the rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR 
> those dreaded scanned documents into readable text.
>> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
>> only for this purpose
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>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

[Chris Meredith]

Half a sec.  Can you fill out forms with PDF Pen?  I tried downloading a form 
from the Social Security Administration and PDF Pen failed to recognize the 
fields.  Or, more correctly, VoiceOver failed to recognize that PDF Pen 
recognized the fields.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:03 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, 
> copy, and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s 
> PDFPen to the rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR 
> those dreaded scanned documents into readable text.
>> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
>> only for this purpose
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>>> sort of newbie error?
>>> 
>>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

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That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, copy, 
and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s PDFPen to the 
rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR those dreaded 
scanned documents into readable text.
> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
> only for this purpose
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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hey folks,
>> 
>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

[Chris Meredith]

Yes.  I even tried setting a hotspot on the PDF’s contents, which then 
registered as inactive if I moved the VoiceOver focus outside the PDF content.  
As someone who’s worked in software QA for years now, I can honestly say that 
Adobe should be full of shame for letting that problem get past QA.  Time to 
spin up a Windows VM, I guess.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:45 AM, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
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> only for this purpose
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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com 
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> 
>> Hey folks,
>> 
>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

[jaan ali]

Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
only for this purpose

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> 
> Hey folks,
> 
> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access to 
> PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
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Adobe Reader DC

[Chris Meredith]

Hey folks,

So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access to 
PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the good 
bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable to get 
back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that you have 
only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some sort of 
newbie error?

* For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.

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Re: adobe reader updae?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Cheryl,

I realize I’m a little late into this thread, but, the message you’re speaking 
of here just started pestering me today.  As you’ve mentioned, Window Chooser 
and Application chooser gave no results.  For some reason though, pressing 
cmd-tab did cycle through to the Adobe Reader update dialog and I was able to 
install the update.  Not sure why cmd-tab finds an instance of an application 
that App Chooser cannot, but it worked.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Dec 11, 2014, at 08:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I only have Adobe Reader on my Mac because once a year my reader helps me do 
 my daughter's homestead form which is a pdf. I have gotten used to the fact 
 that when my sysgtem repeatedly and annoyingly says system needsd attention 
 Adobe REader wants to update. However, I am getting this message over and 
 over today and I can find nothing in my application chooser or window 
 chooser, including system dialogs. I opened Adobe Reader and can find no 
 update option in the menus or preferences. Is my only choice, assuming that 
 what I am hearing is indeed adobe reader demanding to be updated, to actually 
 uninstall the stupid application and go to the adobe site and install the new 
 version. In the past I have been able to track down the update dialog but 
 nothing I have tried has found it this time.
 
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adobe reader updae?

[Cheryl Homiak]

Hi all.

I only have Adobe Reader on my Mac because once a year my reader helps me do my 
daughter's homestead form which is a pdf. I have gotten used to the fact that 
when my sysgtem repeatedly and annoyingly says system needsd attention Adobe 
REader wants to update. However, I am getting this message over and over today 
and I can find nothing in my application chooser or window chooser, including 
system dialogs. I opened Adobe Reader and can find no update option in the 
menus or preferences. Is my only choice, assuming that what I am hearing is 
indeed adobe reader demanding to be updated, to actually uninstall the stupid 
application and go to the adobe site and install the new version. In the past I 
have been able to track down the update dialog but nothing I have tried has 
found it this time.

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Re: adobe reader updae?

[Christine Grassman]

I am having the same issue.

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Re: adobe reader updae?

[Cheryl Homiak]

Thank you so much! Misery really does love company but I hope we can both find 
a solution - grin! It is comforting to know that I am not alone :-) I would 
just ignore it and let my reader update it when we need it if I could get rid 
of that nag message!

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 On Dec 11, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
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 I am having the same issue.
 
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Re: adobe reader updae?

[Andrew Lamanche]

I just wonder whether it would be worth your while checking your notification 
centre in case these messages come from your notification centre. If yes, then 
you can switch them off there.
 On 11 Dec 2014, at 15:38, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thank you so much! Misery really does love company but I hope we can both 
 find a solution - grin! It is comforting to know that I am not alone :-) I 
 would just ignore it and let my reader update it when we need it if I could 
 get rid of that nag message!
 
 -- 
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 meet Immanuel (God with us),
 Jesus, the crucified Savior,
 Christ, the risen LORD!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 11, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am having the same issue.
 
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Re: adobe reader updae?

[Cheryl Homiak]

I don't think they do but thanks. Actually I rebooted and they seem to have 
stopped for the time being.

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 On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 I just wonder whether it would be worth your while checking your notification 
 centre in case these messages come from your notification centre. If yes, 
 then you can switch them off there.
 On 11 Dec 2014, at 15:38, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thank you so much! Misery really does love company but I hope we can both 
 find a solution - grin! It is comforting to know that I am not alone :-) I 
 would just ignore it and let my reader update it when we need it if I could 
 get rid of that nag message!
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 
 Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
 meet Immanuel (God with us),
 Jesus, the crucified Savior,
 Christ, the risen LORD!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 11, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am having the same issue.
 
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Re: adobe reader updae?

[Christine Grassman]

Ah, I had the same idea . . . and it seems to have worked for me as well.

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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Yeah, going to try tis as well, if it's within my budget range or I can 
get it from the App Store then I may even buy it over Pages which I also 
bought a while back.



Sent from my laptop

On 05/10/2014 02:05, Deb Lewis wrote:

I had no idea that Nisus would read PDF's. That's the best tidbit I've
had all week.
I frankly find Preview totally worthless unless you just want to hear
your file as a data dump. I usually need to read more carefully and
don't want to just hear a text string with no ability to start and
stop, spell words etc. PDF has been one of the most annoying aspects
of the Mac.


On 10/4/14, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

I believe that Nisus Writer Pro is available from Mac-update and also the
App Store.
 From memory it cost about £40 when I bought it but it appears on offer
regularly as part of bundles from MacUpdate.
To be clear Nisus Writer Pro is a fully fledged Word Processor and some
believe it it the best available for the mac. It unlikely that anybody would
buy Nisus just for reading PDF documents but I thought I would mention it in
case people already have it and do not realise that it it can also be used
to read and edit PDF files.

David Griffith

On 4 Oct 2014, at 22:32, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,
thanks for your response.  I am asking because I want the choice. Where
did you get this program and how much was it?

On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com
wrote:


Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with Nisus
Writer Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of course has the
advantage of making the PDF editable.
I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you happen
to have Nisus already.

David Griffith
On 4 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:


Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students with
advance PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such
as doing searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create
bookmarks or anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
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This is a brand-new MacBook Air with no Adobe Reader history.
Downloaded the latest version two days ago.
Christine

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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Editing PDF files is very interesting to me just as a hobby. I've always 
been curious how PDF files are edited. I tried so called PDF editors for 
both Windows and Mac. They both present them in inaccessible ways so no 
editing is possible. Hope this Nisus Writer Pro changes things. I can 
still use it as a general Word Processor though and will watch out for 
when it's on offer for now.



Sent from my laptop

On 04/10/2014 23:04, David Griffith wrote:

I believe that Nisus Writer Pro is available from Mac-update and also the App 
Store.
 From memory it cost about £40 when I bought it but it appears on offer 
regularly as part of bundles from MacUpdate.
To be clear Nisus Writer Pro is a fully fledged Word Processor and some believe 
it it the best available for the mac. It unlikely that anybody would buy Nisus 
just for reading PDF documents but I thought I would mention it in case people 
already have it and do not realise that it it can also be used to read and edit 
PDF files.

David Griffith

On 4 Oct 2014, at 22:32, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,
thanks for your response.  I am asking because I want the choice. Where did you 
get this program and how much was it?

On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:


Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with Nisus   Writer 
Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of course has the advantage of 
making the PDF editable.
I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you happen to have 
Nisus already.

David Griffith
On 4 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:


Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students with advance 
PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such as doing 
searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create bookmarks or 
anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:


This is a brand-new MacBook Air with no Adobe Reader history. Downloaded the 
latest version two days ago.
Christine

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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[David Griffith]

Just to be clear ,what happens is that Nisus Writer Pro opens the PDF 
document and automatically renders it into rtf assuming there is text 
encoded into the PDF and it is not graphics based.  This means that as 
far as I am aware the vast majority of formatting options in the 
originating pdf document is carried across. Then Nisus will save any 
editing to rtf format but when you are finished editing you go to the 
file menu and select save to pdf which reverts the document into PDF 
format again for you.


I have not tried it with any forms. I am happy to test this out if 
somebody can send one  to daj.griff...@gmail.comn for me to test out.

Nisus is not great with tables the last time I tried so it may be a problem.

David Griffith

On 05/10/2014 08:36, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:
Editing PDF files is very interesting to me just as a hobby. I've 
always been curious how PDF files are edited. I tried so called PDF 
editors for both Windows and Mac. They both present them in 
inaccessible ways so no editing is possible. Hope this Nisus Writer 
Pro changes things. I can still use it as a general Word Processor 
though and will watch out for when it's on offer for now.



Sent from my laptop

On 04/10/2014 23:04, David Griffith wrote:
I believe that Nisus Writer Pro is available from Mac-update and also 
the App Store.
 From memory it cost about £40 when I bought it but it appears on 
offer regularly as part of bundles from MacUpdate.
To be clear Nisus Writer Pro is a fully fledged Word Processor and 
some believe it it the best available for the mac. It unlikely that 
anybody would buy Nisus just for reading PDF documents but I thought 
I would mention it in case people already have it and do not realise 
that it it can also be used to read and edit PDF files.


David Griffith

On 4 Oct 2014, at 22:32, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,
thanks for your response.  I am asking because I want the choice. 
Where did you get this program and how much was it?


On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with 
Nisus   Writer Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of 
course has the advantage of making the PDF editable.
I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you 
happen to have Nisus already.


David Griffith
On 4 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:

Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students 
with advance PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I 
want such as doing searches for phrases, not to mention there is 
way to create bookmarks or anything. Completely useless for 
academic articles.
On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Christine Grassman 
cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:


This is a brand-new MacBook Air with no Adobe Reader history. 
Downloaded the latest version two days ago.

Christine

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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Navigating line by line, word by word and even character by character is 
totally doable in Preview.  As long as you Interact with the text area, all 
this is possible.  It works the same as in most things like TextEdit and Pages, 
Interact with the area to be read, VO-left/right reads word by word, 
VO-shift-left/right reads character by character and VO-up/down reads line by 
line.  The key here is to actually Interact with the area and use VO 
navigation, if you simply navigate to the area and let VO read, then you have 
no control.  If you use arrow key navigation without holding down your VO-keys, 
then you don't have the same control.

If you do choose to use another pdf reader because your more comfortable with 
it or that it meets your needs better, then all the power to you, but, know 
that Preview does do the things that people are claiming it does not.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 5, 2014, at 1:36 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

 Editing PDF files is very interesting to me just as a hobby. I've always been 
 curious how PDF files are edited. I tried so called PDF editors for both 
 Windows and Mac. They both present them in inaccessible ways so no editing is 
 possible. Hope this Nisus Writer Pro changes things. I can still use it as a 
 general Word Processor though and will watch out for when it's on offer for 
 now.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 04/10/2014 23:04, David Griffith wrote:
 I believe that Nisus Writer Pro is available from Mac-update and also the 
 App Store.
 From memory it cost about £40 when I bought it but it appears on offer 
 regularly as part of bundles from MacUpdate.
 To be clear Nisus Writer Pro is a fully fledged Word Processor and some 
 believe it it the best available for the mac. It unlikely that anybody would 
 buy Nisus just for reading PDF documents but I thought I would mention it in 
 case people already have it and do not realise that it it can also be used 
 to read and edit PDF files.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 4 Oct 2014, at 22:32, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 thanks for your response.  I am asking because I want the choice. Where did 
 you get this program and how much was it?
 
 On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with Nisus   
 Writer Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of course has the 
 advantage of making the PDF editable.
 I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you happen to 
 have Nisus already.
 
 David Griffith
 On 4 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students with 
 advance PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such 
 as doing searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create 
 bookmarks or anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
 On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 This is a brand-new MacBook Air with no Adobe Reader history. Downloaded 
 the latest version two days ago.
 Christine
 
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adobe reader for the mac

[denise avant]

Hello all,
Is there an accessible version of adobe reader for the mac
Thanks.

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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Ray Foret Jr]

Don't need it.  Preview will read pdf's just fine.  And, if you ever need to do 
OcR on a pdf, Abby fine reader.


Sincerely,
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Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

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Hi,

No, Adobe Reader is not accessible with VO at all.  As Ray mentioned, the 
built-in Preview app will handle pdf's just fine other than finding edit fields 
in editable pdf's.  Often web-sites claim that you need Adobe Reader to read 
their pdf's, but this is a misleading statement as there are a number of pdf 
readers out there that read pdf documents as well or better than Adobe Reader.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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 Don't need it.  Preview will read pdf's just fine.  And, if you ever need to 
 do OcR on a pdf, Abby fine reader.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

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I'm a bit confused here. The other day, preview did not open to read a pdf form 
on-line. I had to download Adobe Reader to access it.
Then it read just fine. 
Does one have to save it first? 
  
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

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Hi,

Depending on your settings within Safari, pdf's are either opened within the 
Safari browser or they need to be downloaded first then opened with your 
preferred pdf reader.  I expect that when you downloaded the pdf, then 
subsequently opened it, the file was opened with the Preview app, not Adobe.  
Can't recall where this setting is to tell Safari to open within the browser as 
opposed to not.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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 form on-line. I had to download Adobe Reader to access it.
 Then it read just fine. 
 Does one have to save it first? 
 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

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I never downloaded it. Just read it on-line. I'll have to check the 
Safari settings.

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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Mary Otten]

I must be missing something with respect to the preview app. I have never had 
good luck with that thing. I have not been able to navigate, read words or 
lines or's spell something. And tables? Forget it. What am I missing? I would 
love to be able to do PDFs on my Mac. Of course, Docuscan will do that. But it 
cost $300, so perhaps people wouldn't want to spend that kind of money.
Mary


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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Christine Grassman]

Can't find anything which would use Preview to read pdf documents on-line. 
Within the security tab in Safari, I found configure web settings, and the only 
choices given were Adobe Reader, QuickTime, and Java plug-ins. There was a 
warning that using Adobe Reader might compromise personal information. 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Christine Grassman]

I've had minimal success with it. Sometimes, it reads whole documents. Other 
times, it doesn't, and no matter what I do, I cannot get it to move from page 
to page, and I've never tried to do any of the other things you mentioned, Mary.
Christine

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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Preview works very well for me.  In fact, it's pretty well what I use for pdf's 
all the time and have for years.  With respect to your Adobe issue, I'm 
wondering if you've installed an old version of Adobe some time in the past.  
If so, the older versions of Adobe sometimes mess with Safari's ability to open 
pdf's within the browser itself.  You can check this by going into Macintosh 
HD, into Library, into Internet PlugIns and checking if there is a version of 
Adobe PDF Viewer there.  If there is, Trash it then Quit and re-open Safari so 
that Safari's native pdf viewer is used.  I do find it easier to use Preview 
itself, though,  rather than reading the pdf's from within the Safari plugin 
reader.  When in Preview, I usually tell it to show in Single page view but 
that's just my preference, it's not necessary if you're going to use it to read 
a large document in one swoop.  Yes, I find tables difficult, but there often 
difficult in just about any situation.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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 I've had minimal success with it. Sometimes, it reads whole documents. Other 
 times, it doesn't, and no matter what I do, I cannot get it to move from page 
 to page, and I've never tried to do any of the other things you mentioned, 
 Mary.
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Christine Grassman]

This is a brand-new MacBook Air with no Adobe Reader history. Downloaded the 
latest version two days ago. 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Faisal]

Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students with advance 
PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such as doing 
searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create bookmarks or 
anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[David Griffith]

Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with Nisus   Writer 
Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of course has the advantage of 
making the PDF editable.
I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you happen to have 
Nisus already.

David Griffith  
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 PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such as doing 
 searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create bookmarks or 
 anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[denise avant]

Hi,
thanks for your response.  I am asking because I want the choice. Where did you 
get this program and how much was it?

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 Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with Nisus   Writer 
 Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of course has the advantage 
 of making the PDF editable.
 I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you happen to 
 have Nisus already.
 
 David Griffith  
 On 4 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students with 
 advance PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such as 
 doing searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create bookmarks 
 or anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
 On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
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 the latest version two days ago. 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[denise avant]

is Google Chrome helpful with this?

On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can't find anything which would use Preview to read pdf documents on-line. 
 Within the security tab in Safari, I found configure web settings, and the 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[David Griffith]

I believe that Nisus Writer Pro is available from Mac-update and also the App 
Store.
From memory it cost about £40 when I bought it but it appears on offer 
regularly as part of bundles from MacUpdate.
To be clear Nisus Writer Pro is a fully fledged Word Processor and some believe 
it it the best available for the mac. It unlikely that anybody would buy Nisus 
just for reading PDF documents but I thought I would mention it in case people 
already have it and do not realise that it it can also be used to read and edit 
PDF files.

David Griffith

On 4 Oct 2014, at 22:32, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 thanks for your response.  I am asking because I want the choice. Where did 
 you get this program and how much was it?
 
 On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with Nisus   
 Writer Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of course has the 
 advantage of making the PDF editable.
 I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you happen to 
 have Nisus already.
 
 David Griffith  
 On 4 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students with 
 advance PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such as 
 doing searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create bookmarks 
 or anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
 On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 This is a brand-new MacBook Air with no Adobe Reader history. Downloaded 
 the latest version two days ago. 
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Re: adobe reader for the mac

[Deb Lewis]

I had no idea that Nisus would read PDF's. That's the best tidbit I've
had all week.
I frankly find Preview totally worthless unless you just want to hear
your file as a data dump. I usually need to read more carefully and
don't want to just hear a text string with no ability to start and
stop, spell words etc. PDF has been one of the most annoying aspects
of the Mac.


On 10/4/14, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 I believe that Nisus Writer Pro is available from Mac-update and also the
 App Store.
 From memory it cost about £40 when I bought it but it appears on offer
 regularly as part of bundles from MacUpdate.
 To be clear Nisus Writer Pro is a fully fledged Word Processor and some
 believe it it the best available for the mac. It unlikely that anybody would
 buy Nisus just for reading PDF documents but I thought I would mention it in
 case people already have it and do not realise that it it can also be used
 to read and edit PDF files.

 David Griffith

 On 4 Oct 2014, at 22:32, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 thanks for your response.  I am asking because I want the choice. Where
 did you get this program and how much was it?

 On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Personally I have junked Preview in favour of reading PDF with Nisus
 Writer Pro. This appears to read fine to me so far and of course has the
 advantage of making the PDF editable.
 I realise this is not a free option but worth considering if you happen
 to have Nisus already.

 David Griffith
 On 4 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:

 Preview has a lot of limitations especially for college students with
 advance PDF files. I could never get preview to do anything I want such
 as doing searches for phrases, not to mention there is way to create
 bookmarks or anything. Completely useless for academic articles.
 On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This is a brand-new MacBook Air with no Adobe Reader history.
 Downloaded the latest version two days ago.
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Re: Anyone know how to check the download progress for Adobe reader?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I realize that you wrote this message yesterday, so you may have figured this 
out by now. When you're doing a download like that, of course you are in 
Safari. So have you pressed option command L, and then Dunnville right arrow to 
get into the table of your  and do the VO right arrow to get into the table. 
Then interact with the table.
Sincerely,
Gigidownloads. Then you need to interact 

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 Subject says it all. :) I cannot figure out a way to do this, no progress 
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Re: Anyone know how to check the download progress for Adobe reader?

[Christine Grassman]

Before I could figure it out, it told me it couldn't complete the 
installation. I tried it yet again, and got it installed without bothering to 
check progress, because it worked quickly.

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Re: Anyone know how to check the download progress for Adobe reader?

[Joseph]

Hello,
So I'm curious. In your message you used the word Dunnville. What does that 
mean.

On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Dunnville

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Anyone know how to check the download progress for Adobe reader?

[Christine Grassman]

Subject says it all. :) I cannot figure out a way to do this, no progress 
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Re: Adobe Reader 10 for OSx inaccessible

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hee Mike,
Ok thanks. Of course Preview does the job most of the time, but when using it 
for business or study purposes tables are pretty important. Have to use Windows 
for that until it changes.
Ronald
Op 22 nov. 2011, om 01:26 heeft Mike Arrigo het volgende geschreven:

 Unless something has changed, yes, it's not accessible, fortunately you can 
 read most pdf files that have text using preview, so Adobe reader is not 
 needed.
 On Nov 21, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 Am I correct that Adobe Reader 10 isn't accessible with Voice Over? At least 
 the most important part that is, the content.
 In most cases Preview does the job, but Preview cannot handle tables and 
 such. So thats why I tried Adobe Reader. Any thoughts?
 thanks a lot.
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Adobe Reader 10 for OSx inaccessible

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Hello all,
Am I correct that Adobe Reader 10 isn't accessible with Voice Over? At least 
the most important part that is, the content.
In most cases Preview does the job, but Preview cannot handle tables and such. 
So thats why I tried Adobe Reader. Any thoughts?
thanks a lot.
regards,
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Re: Adobe Reader 10 for OSx inaccessible

[Mike Arrigo]

Unless something has changed, yes, it's not accessible, fortunately you can 
read most pdf files that have text using preview, so Adobe reader is not needed.
On Nov 21, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:

 Hello all,
 Am I correct that Adobe Reader 10 isn't accessible with Voice Over? At least 
 the most important part that is, the content.
 In most cases Preview does the job, but Preview cannot handle tables and 
 such. So thats why I tried Adobe Reader. Any thoughts?
 thanks a lot.
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Re: Adobe Reader or Firefox

[marcelo]

Thanks for the answers, are really interesting to me!

I understand Adobe Reader is not the best application to read PDF
files and Firefox is not accessible under Voice Over.

I don't know why, but when I try to work with applications like Adobe
Reader or Firefox under Voice Over, the focus (of Voice Over) only let
me surf between the buttons of close (red), minimize (yellow),
maximize (green) or show or hide the app bar.
I can't access to the principal area of this app under Voice Over
with only the keyboard. ¿?

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Adobe Reader or Firefox

[marcelo]

Hello everybody!

I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...

1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
application? ...

2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
Adobe Reader to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...

thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).

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Re: Adobe Reader or Firefox

[Scott Howell]

Firefox is not accessible at this time. I believe there is someone working on 
this, but for now it is Safari pretty much. I believe there are other browsers 
such as Opera, but I am not sure how well that works and others can comment. 
Preview is your only option for PDFs at this time. Adobe has decided the Mac 
platform does not have a sufficient number of users to invest time in making 
their products accessible. Well ok, that is what I gather from things I have 
read, but again, others may have more information that is not available to me.

On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:23 PM, marcelo wrote:

 Hello everybody!
 
 I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...
 
 1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
 application? ...
 
 2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
 Adobe Reader to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
 PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...
 
 thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).
 
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Re: Adobe Reader or Firefox

[Esther]

Hello Marcelo,

Although it is possible to use Adobe Reader to read PDF files under  
VoiceOver control, I don't know of any VoiceOver user who prefers to  
use Adobe Reader over Preview (or another third party software called  
Skim that goes beyond Preview's capabilities by adding annotation  
features).  Almost everyone who has switched to VoiceOver comments on  
how much nicer the experience is reading PDFs with VoiceOver's native  
apps. (Scott may be thinking of Adobe Acrobat Professional in his  
reply about accessibility.  It is true that books encoded with Adobe's  
digital rights management cannot be read with Adobe's software and  
screen readers, but they do have Adobe Reader for non-protected PDF  
documents.)


If you really want to try using Adobe Reader instead of Preview, I can  
dig out my notes.  Adobe Reader is sufficiently unintuitive that I  
have to keep a record of the commands.  It uses text to speech rather  
than VoiceOver's interactive controls.  You also need to check the  
right menus for the controls, because the speed controls for text to  
speech speaking rate are set within the app, and the system text to  
speech speaking rates are bypassed. I ended up having to read through  
most of its rather complex menu structure.  There's a Read Out Loud  
command under the View menu that you'll need to use.  Again, unlike  
the case with Preview you have more limited control.


And as Scott said, Firefox is not accessible with VoiceOver.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Sep 28, 2010, at 08:15, Scott Howell wrote:

Firefox is not accessible at this time. I believe there is someone  
working on this, but for now it is Safari pretty much. I believe  
there are other browsers such as Opera, but I am not sure how well  
that works and others can comment. Preview is your only option for  
PDFs at this time. Adobe has decided the Mac platform does not have  
a sufficient number of users to invest time in making their products  
accessible. Well ok, that is what I gather from things I have read,  
but again, others may have more information that is not available to  
me.


On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:23 PM, marcelo wrote:


Hello everybody!

I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...

1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
application? ...

2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
Adobe Reader to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...

thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).



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Re: Adobe Reader or Firefox

[Scott Howell]

Esther,

Thanks that is what I intended and stated incorrectly. I did try the voice in 
the reader and it was pretty much a drag, so I just stuck with Preview. It 
works for most my purposes, but for DRM content where you have to enter a user 
ID and/or password, it is incredibly painful and as best I recall I could not 
do it without sighted assistance.
On Sep 28, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hello Marcelo,
 
 Although it is possible to use Adobe Reader to read PDF files under VoiceOver 
 control, I don't know of any VoiceOver user who prefers to use Adobe Reader 
 over Preview (or another third party software called Skim that goes beyond 
 Preview's capabilities by adding annotation features).  Almost everyone who 
 has switched to VoiceOver comments on how much nicer the experience is 
 reading PDFs with VoiceOver's native apps. (Scott may be thinking of Adobe 
 Acrobat Professional in his reply about accessibility.  It is true that books 
 encoded with Adobe's digital rights management cannot be read with Adobe's 
 software and screen readers, but they do have Adobe Reader for non-protected 
 PDF documents.)
 
 If you really want to try using Adobe Reader instead of Preview, I can dig 
 out my notes.  Adobe Reader is sufficiently unintuitive that I have to keep a 
 record of the commands.  It uses text to speech rather than VoiceOver's 
 interactive controls.  You also need to check the right menus for the 
 controls, because the speed controls for text to speech speaking rate are set 
 within the app, and the system text to speech speaking rates are bypassed. I 
 ended up having to read through most of its rather complex menu structure.  
 There's a Read Out Loud command under the View menu that you'll need to 
 use.  Again, unlike the case with Preview you have more limited control.
 
 And as Scott said, Firefox is not accessible with VoiceOver.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 08:15, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Firefox is not accessible at this time. I believe there is someone working 
 on this, but for now it is Safari pretty much. I believe there are other 
 browsers such as Opera, but I am not sure how well that works and others can 
 comment. Preview is your only option for PDFs at this time. Adobe has 
 decided the Mac platform does not have a sufficient number of users to 
 invest time in making their products accessible. Well ok, that is what I 
 gather from things I have read, but again, others may have more information 
 that is not available to me.
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:23 PM, marcelo wrote:
 
 Hello everybody!
 
 I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...
 
 1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
 application? ...
 
 2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
 Adobe Reader to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
 PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...
 
 thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).
 
 
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Skim, Preview, and Adobe Reader for PDF Viewing [was Re: Accessible PDF viewer, was weird pdf document.]

[Esther]

Hi,

To follow up on James' reply, there's Skim that is free and open  
source, with some nice annotation options, that is available from  
SourceForge:

http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/
There's also Adobe Reader, also freeware, which has a recent new  
version release according to the Apple Downloads page:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/adobereader.html
Primarily of interest for Tiger (Mac OS X 10.4) users, there's Travis  
Siegel's Softcon PDF Viewer, which modified the earlier version of  
Preview to allow continuous reading under Tiger when using VO-A  
instead of having to press a key at the end of each page:

http://www.softcon.com/mac/
Skim came up in a recent list discussion where Dónal originally asked  
about being able to show PDF presentations that he had prepared with  
LaTeX (and a style package called Beamer) using Preview in Full Screen  
mode on a laptop.  (This was a decision point in whether to buy a new  
MacBook Pro or to use an old Windows laptop.)  The discussion had  
moved on to another thread on Keynote's accessibility for preparing  
presentations when I commented that if he simply used Skim instead of  
Preview, he could use Skim's presentation view mode (Command-Option-P)  
to directly display his large set of existing PDF presentations, along  
with any presentations he produced in either PowerPoint or Keynote  
that were written out as PDFs (as some meetings request, so there are  
no problems when the presentation files are displayed across platforms  
due to differences in available fonts between Windows and Macs).   
Further, there are presentation options to automatically play through  
the presentations in timed mode, or with selected transition effects  
etc. For all other purposes, Skim would basically work just like  
Preview, only with additional options.
Note that the reason for this suggestion was primarily for  
presentation display, not PDF reading, although that's not how most  
list users would use Skim.  I did follow up with a post on how Skim  
works, compared to Preview, which you can read in the archived post:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg15820.html
Again, note that this post quotes a much earlier post made on another  
list, that wasn't primarily designed to answer the question about how  
to use Skim and its annotation features, but which addressed the issue  
of whether it was possible to get better results when using the Find  
operation in viewing PDFs (under Leopard).
As for Adobe Reader, it uses text-to-speech instead of VoiceOver to  
read PDF files.  I find its configuration unintuitive, so I usually  
have to read my notes on how this works in order to use it.  For  
example, the speaking rate isn't set by your text-to-speech rate  
setting -- it's entirely ignored, and has to be set separately within  
Adobe Reader, along with the voice selection.  In order to save you  
from reading through all the myriad menus (unless the Windows version  
is just like this, and you're already familiar with the structure),  
I'm pointing you to my archived list post that describes how to use  
Adobe Reader:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg08026.html
I really don't use this very often -- Preview and Skim are much nicer  
to use -- and I haven't tried the latest version, so there may be some  
differences or new options.
OT for this thread: you asked elsewhere about full-featured, free word  
processing options under Snow Leopard.  I assume you don't use LaTeX,  
since that was also available to you under Leopard, through TeXShop.   
For most people, the steep initial learning curve won't make this a  
worthwhile alternative, but if you already use this as part of a linux  
or unix distribution, or have other colleagues in computer science who  
regularly use LaTeX, this could be an option.
Second OT point: I posted a few days before you rejoined the list  
about O'Reilly's eBook bundles and the eBook Deal of the Day RSS  
feed they just started, where nearly every day a DRM-free eBook bundle  
is offered for $9.99.  I recall that you've purchased online O'Reilly  
books before.  The bundles are multiple DRM-free formats, so you can  
read PDF in Preview and ePub on a mobile device or through a web  
interface such as O'Reilly's Bookworm.  This may be of interest since  
the iPad and iBookStore is supposed to use the ePub format.  For more  
details, see O'Reilly's eBook site:

http://oreilly.com/ebooks/
For the eBook Deal of the Day feed, check out:
feed://feeds.feedburner.com/oreilly/ebookdealoftheday
HTH
Cheers,
Esther
James  Nash wrote:


Hi,
Other than Preview is there a PDF viewer / reader application that  
is accessible with VoiceOver?



Yes there is, it is called Skim and you can get it from SourceForge  
or:


http://www.opensourcemac.org


On 11 Feb 2010, E.J. Zufelt wrote:


Good morning,

Other than Preview is there a PDF viewer / reader application

Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]

[Simon Cavendish]

It's true that you cannot save/export files into text but you can  
easily highlight the entire document with command+A and copy with  
command+c and then paste into textedit and save it this way. I  
regularly do this.

Best wishes, Simon
On 30 Aug 2009, at 23:50, Maurice Mines wrote:


 the problem is you can't save a file in text like the windows veration
 of adoby please forgive the my spelling I have a rittenexpation
 disorder. maurice ham call sine kd0iko.
 On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:


 it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat
 reader.

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Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]

[Esther]

Hi Yuma,

In addition to Command-Right arrow and Command-Left arrow to navigate  
to next and previous pages in Preview, you can go to a specific page  
with Command-Option-G, then type in the page number and press enter.   
You can also go backwards and forwards with Command-Left bracket and  
Command-Right bracket the same way you do in Safari.  And you can add  
a Bookmark with Command-D just as you can in Safari.  This is one of  
the neat features that I like about Preview, since once you set a  
bookmark, it appears in the Bookmarks menu on the Preview menu bar. If  
you select your bookmark, Preview will open that document to the  
bookmarked page -- even if you haven't yet found, selected, or opened  
that document. You can also navigate through documents that have Table  
of Contents, like the Apple manuals for VoiceOver Getting Started, and  
use the Preview sidebar to view and navigate by Table of Contents. You  
can get some other pointers on using Preview if you check Tim  
Kilburn's web page about VoiceOver:

http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/preview5.html

Although these pages have not been updated to reflect recent changes/ 
additions, they're very helpful.  Note that one point of regress from  
Tiger to Leopard is that you'll need to set a hot spot (VO-Shift-1 or  
other number up to 9) to go back to your position on the page if you  
switch applications.  Just return by pressing VO-1, etc. This only  
works temporarily for your current session and is lost if you turn  
VoiceOver off.

Also, it's possible to use Adobe Reader to read documents if you have  
to -- e.g. for DRM-protected material.  It's just rather clunky and  
unintuitive, since the menu structure is complex, and you're using  
Text-to-Speech rather than VoiceOver.  It can be maddening to try to  
find the voice controls, since they're set it turns out they're set in  
the preferences menu, and the default reading rate is really slow. If  
you want to use a French voice, for example, you'll need to bring up  
Adobe Reader's preferences (Command-comma), VO-Down arrow to the  
categories table and Interact, then press r to select Reading and  
stop interacting.  VO-Right arrow to set the reading options,  
especially under the Read out loud heading where you will want to  
uncheck the box for default voice (with VO-Space) and select the new  
voice from the pop up button.  You'll also want to uncheck the box for  
Use default speech attributes so you can set the reading rate -- and  
they won't accept more than 650 words per minute.  Command-W to close  
the preferences menu.

When you use Adobe Reader, check the View menu on the menu bar for  
the Read out loud sub-menu commands and shortcuts:

Activate/Deactivate Read out loud: Command-Shift-Y
Read Only this page: Command-Shift-V
Read to end of document: Command-Shift-B
Pause: Command-Shift-C
Stop: Command-Shift-E

Use the FInder contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) to Open with and select  
Adobe Reader if you want to try this out.  Preview, is much, much  
nicer.  There's also a package called Skim, that is like Preview on  
steroids, which is particularly good for annotating what you read.  It  
basically has another sidebar for notes, in addition to the one for  
navigating table of contents.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:


 Thanks James,

 It is one of these obvious ones again, gotta get the hang of it :)

 


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Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

That was a mouthful esther, :)

Thanks a whole lot, now i think there will be no more questioning this  
issue

Best

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RE: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Esther,

Does Preview come with the OS or is it a third party app?  If the latter,
how can it be obtained?  Thanks.

Les 

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Subject: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly
junping from page to page in preview]


Hi Yuma,

In addition to Command-Right arrow and Command-Left arrow to navigate to
next and previous pages in Preview, you can go to a specific page  
with Command-Option-G, then type in the page number and press enter.   
You can also go backwards and forwards with Command-Left bracket and
Command-Right bracket the same way you do in Safari.  And you can add a
Bookmark with Command-D just as you can in Safari.  This is one of the neat
features that I like about Preview, since once you set a bookmark, it
appears in the Bookmarks menu on the Preview menu bar. If you select your
bookmark, Preview will open that document to the bookmarked page -- even if
you haven't yet found, selected, or opened that document. You can also
navigate through documents that have Table of Contents, like the Apple
manuals for VoiceOver Getting Started, and use the Preview sidebar to view
and navigate by Table of Contents. You can get some other pointers on using
Preview if you check Tim Kilburn's web page about VoiceOver:

http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/preview5.html

Although these pages have not been updated to reflect recent changes/
additions, they're very helpful.  Note that one point of regress from Tiger
to Leopard is that you'll need to set a hot spot (VO-Shift-1 or other number
up to 9) to go back to your position on the page if you switch applications.
Just return by pressing VO-1, etc. This only works temporarily for your
current session and is lost if you turn VoiceOver off.

Also, it's possible to use Adobe Reader to read documents if you have to --
e.g. for DRM-protected material.  It's just rather clunky and unintuitive,
since the menu structure is complex, and you're using Text-to-Speech rather
than VoiceOver.  It can be maddening to try to find the voice controls,
since they're set it turns out they're set in the preferences menu, and the
default reading rate is really slow. If you want to use a French voice, for
example, you'll need to bring up Adobe Reader's preferences (Command-comma),
VO-Down arrow to the categories table and Interact, then press r to select
Reading and stop interacting.  VO-Right arrow to set the reading options,
especially under the Read out loud heading where you will want to uncheck
the box for default voice (with VO-Space) and select the new voice from the
pop up button.  You'll also want to uncheck the box for Use default speech
attributes so you can set the reading rate -- and they won't accept more
than 650 words per minute.  Command-W to close the preferences menu.

When you use Adobe Reader, check the View menu on the menu bar for the
Read out loud sub-menu commands and shortcuts:

Activate/Deactivate Read out loud: Command-Shift-Y Read Only this page:
Command-Shift-V Read to end of document: Command-Shift-B
Pause: Command-Shift-C
Stop: Command-Shift-E

Use the FInder contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) to Open with and select Adobe
Reader if you want to try this out.  Preview, is much, much nicer.  There's
also a package called Skim, that is like Preview on steroids, which is
particularly good for annotating what you read.  It basically has another
sidebar for notes, in addition to the one for navigating table of contents.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:


 Thanks James,

 It is one of these obvious ones again, gotta get the hang of it :)

 




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Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat reader.

Best

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Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]

[Maurice Mines]

the problem is you can't save a file in text like the windows veration  
of adoby please forgive the my spelling I have a rittenexpation  
disorder. maurice ham call sine kd0iko.
On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:


 it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat  
 reader.

 Best

 


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