Re: Apple mail acting strange in sanioma.

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, I have been experiencing a similar issue.
It seems when I find an email in my Junk folder that is not junk, and I move it 
to the Inbox, after reading and deleting the message, it reappears in the Inbox 
a short time later.
After deleting the message(s) a second time, the message(s) are gone for good.
This issue has existed since upgrading to Sonoma with version 14.2.  

- Brad -



On Jan 30, 2024, at 14:05, matthew dyer  wrote:

Hi all,

For the last couple of days now I have had the strange problem where message I 
have deleted still sh9ow up in my inbox with sanoma 14.3.  I can restart my 
mail account seems ti salvo thus breaflly but then the issue returns again.  I 
have also restart my mea m1 which is what I am using and like with restarting 
the mail app, this is only tempary.  I am wondering if anyone else is seeing 
this and has a solution.  I am using the unified inbox if that matters.  Thanks 
all.

Matthew


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Apple mail acting strange in sanioma.

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

For the last couple of days now I have had the strange problem where message I 
have deleted still sh9ow up in my inbox with sanoma 14.3.  I can restart my 
mail account seems ti salvo thus breaflly but then the issue returns again.  I 
have also restart my mea m1 which is what I am using and like with restarting 
the mail app, this is only tempary.  I am wondering if anyone else is seeing 
this and has a solution.  I am using the unified inbox if that matters.  Thanks 
all.

Matthew


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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[joseph hudson]

I don't think you can delete the junk folder. Automatically. But the trash 
folder should automatically be emptied automatically.
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> On Dec 5, 2023, at 4:22 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> well, I guess I was calling that a setup. do I need to delete trash and junk 
> manually or can I set it up to be done automatically?
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no setup.  You just add it to your Favorites.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2023, at 15:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you have to set it up.
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:00 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent 
>>> folder.
>>> 
 On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
 there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items 
 in the individual trash folders.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
 
 Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. 
 Each mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash 
 folder anymore.
 Joseph Hudson
 
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 jhud7...@twc.com
 
 Connect with me on zoom
 
 https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
 
> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

well, I guess I was calling that a setup. do I need to delete trash and junk 
manually or can I set it up to be done automatically?

> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> There is no setup.  You just add it to your Favorites.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2023, at 15:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I think you have to set it up.
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:00 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent 
>> folder.
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
>>> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items 
>>> in the individual trash folders.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. 
>>> Each mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash 
>>> folder anymore.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> 
>>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@twc.com
>>> 
>>> Connect with me on zoom
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>>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>>> 
 On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
 trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
 like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
 
 thanks.
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[Brad Snyder]

There is no setup.  You just add it to your Favorites.

- Brad -



On Dec 5, 2023, at 15:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I think you have to set it up.

> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:00 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent 
> folder.
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
>> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items in 
>> the individual trash folders.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. Each 
>> mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash folder 
>> anymore.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@twc.com
>> 
>> Connect with me on zoom
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>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
>>> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
>>> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[joseph hudson]

OK, found it and I got it added thank you.
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> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You need to add it to your Favorite folders.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2023, at 15:00, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent 
> folder.
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
>> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items in 
>> the individual trash folders.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. Each 
>> mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash folder 
>> anymore.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@twc.com
>> 
>> Connect with me on zoom
>> 
>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
>>> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
>>> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on Ventura

[joseph hudson]

I use my mailbox list to get to this folder. And under each account there is a 
junk folder and there's also an all junk folder.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> how do I get the junk folder to come up? I’ve located everything else quite 
> nicely but I can’t find junk. I like to look through it once in awhile 
> andfind mail that may have gone in there. mistakenly.
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> thanks.
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[Brad Snyder]

You need to add it to your Favorite folders.

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On Dec 5, 2023, at 15:00, joseph hudson  wrote:

Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent folder.

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items in 
> the individual trash folders.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
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>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
>> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
>> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
>> 
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[joseph hudson]

It was there before Sonoma.
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> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I think you have to set it up.
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:00 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent 
>> folder.
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>>> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
>>> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items 
>>> in the individual trash folders.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. 
>>> Each mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash 
>>> folder anymore.
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 On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
 trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
 like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
 
 thanks.
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I think you have to set it up.

> On Dec 5, 2023, at 3:00 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent 
> folder.
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
>> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items in 
>> the individual trash folders.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. Each 
>> mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash folder 
>> anymore.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@twc.com
>> 
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>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
>>> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
>>> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

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Well, if so, mine no longer works like that. All I have is the all scent folder.

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items in 
> the individual trash folders.
> 
> - Brad -
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> 
> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. Each 
> mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash folder 
> anymore.
> Joseph Hudson
> 
> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@twc.com
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> Connect with me on zoom
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> 
>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
>> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
>> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I had the trash for iCloud but not for Google. I called Apple accessibility and 
they told me how to set it up on my Mac. we got. disconnected but I think I may 
have figured it out. we’ll see.

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, 
> there is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items in 
> the individual trash folders.
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> 
> On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. Each 
> mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash folder 
> anymore.
> Joseph Hudson
> 
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>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
>> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
>> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
>> 
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[Brad Snyder]

While deleted mail does go into a separate Trash folder for each account, there 
is indeed an All Trash folder, in which can be viewed all the items in the 
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On Dec 4, 2023, at 22:32, joseph hudson  wrote:

Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. Each 
mailbox has its own separate folders. Nothing goes into the all trash folder 
anymore.
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> On Dec 4, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
> 
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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

[joseph hudson]

Hi Lorie, anything that you deleted is going into its own fresh folder. Each 
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> I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my 
> trash mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I 
> like to keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.
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Apple mail on my Mac

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I went looking for something I had hastily deleted and discovered that my trash 
mailbox has no messages. where are they going when I delete them? I like to 
keep them for a week. or. 2 and then get rid of them.

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Apple mail in Ventura

[Lorie McCloud]

I’m trying to find the place where you can set trash and junk to delete 
every 30 days. I can’t find it. is it available in Ventura or will I need to do 
it manually?

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Apple mail on Ventura

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how do I get the junk folder to come up? I’ve located everything else quite 
nicely but I can’t find junk. I like to look through it once in awhile andfind 
mail that may have gone in there. mistakenly.

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Re: Apple mail on my Mac

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Hi Lori, I have occasionally had that happen too. Where it won't bring in new 
messages from my Google account. However, occasionally I have to delete and 
re-add that account and that normally fix the problem.

> On Oct 1, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> all the messages have gone out of my Google inbox without me having deleted 
> them. I still have them on my phone. how do I get them to come back into my 
> inbox on my Mac? I’m running Catalina.
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Apple Mail on Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I just pressed the key combo for “get all new mail” and they came back in.

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Apple mail on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

all the messages have gone out of my Google inbox without me having deleted 
them. I still have them on my phone. how do I get them to come back into my 
inbox on my Mac? I’m running Catalina.

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Re: Apple mail on an iPhone

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Lori,

I believe you need to go into your Mail preferences for your Gmail account, and 
change the destination for deleted Mail items.
I seem to remember that the default for Gmail is to send deleted mail to the 
Archive folder, where it can be saved forever.
You can change this by going to Settings > Mail > Accounts.
Then select your Gmail account > Advanced.
Here you can select where you want your deleted items to go.  The Trash folder 
should be one of the available options.

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I have 2 email accounts. both are on my phone. in the gmail account, if I'm in 
the message body on the far left in the toolbar is "archive." in the iCloud 
account, delete is in that position. Why are they different? would it be 
possible to have "delete" show up in my gmail account instead of archive? if 
so, how would I do that?

thanks.
Lorie

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Apple mail on an iPhone

[Lorie McCloud]

I have 2 email accounts. both are on my phone. in the gmail account, if I'm in 
the message body on the far left in the toolbar is "archive." in the iCloud 
account, delete is in that position. Why are they different? would it be 
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Lorie

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Re: Apple Mail on Ventura: where are On My Mac mail boxes stored?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I seem to remember Tim saying   you can open time machine while in Mail and 
that will work. Hopefully I am not hallucinating. For a lot of internal access 
to files Macintosh does not directly name the related folders on disk the same 
as in the application. This might be a security feature or for performance 
reasons, but it sure is frustrating for end users just trying find a penny in 
the hay stack of files on a modern Macintosh.
So in summary, start mail start time machine and see if you can actually get a 
history that way.
   
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> Hello,
> Does anyone know where On My Mac mail boxes are stored on Ventura? I have 
> looked in library/mail and can see mail boxes such as Inbox, Sent, Archive 
> and so on but cannot find any of the mail boxes I created under On My Mac. I 
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Re: Apple Mail on Ventura: where are On My Mac mail boxes stored?

[Herbie Allen]

Are you talking about the mail app or a physical location?


Herbie

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> Hello,
> Does anyone know where On My Mac mail boxes are stored on Ventura? I have 
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> and so on but cannot find any of the mail boxes I created under On My Mac. I 
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Apple Mail on Ventura: where are On My Mac mail boxes stored?

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
Does anyone know where On My Mac mail boxes are stored on Ventura? I have 
looked in library/mail and can see mail boxes such as Inbox, Sent, Archive and 
so on but cannot find any of the mail boxes I created under On My Mac. I need 
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time machine.
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Re: Apple Mail inCatalina

[Lorie McCloud]

what about suggestions or suggested corrections? I don’t want those either.

> On Dec 7, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
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> You will find an item to disable automatic spell checker.
> 
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> On Dec 7, 2022, at 17:09, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> In preferences I set mail to never check my spelling. it’s still giving me 
> suggested corrections though and I can’t find where to disable that. 
> suggestions please.
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Re: Apple Mail inCatalina

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On Dec 7, 2022, at 17:09, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

In preferences I set mail to never check my spelling. it’s still giving me 
suggested corrections though and I can’t find where to disable that. 
suggestions please.

thanks.
Lorie

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Apple Mail inCatalina

[Lorie McCloud]

In preferences I set mail to never check my spelling. it’s still giving me 
suggested corrections though and I can’t find where to disable that. 
suggestions please.

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How to recover deleted Apple mail from time machine on Ventura using VoiceOver

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running Ventura 13.0.1 on my 2018 iMac.
How can I recover a deleted Email from time machine using VoiceOver? I 
accidentally erased the desired Email and then erased all items in the Email 
trash folder. I have looked on the web on recovering mail from time machine but 
the suggested solution does not work with VoiceOver. I start mail and then go 
to the status menu and select time machine and then enter time machine. VO then 
stops talking and I have to reboot my iMac.
Many thanks for any tips.
Best … Paul Hopewell

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Apple Mail in Catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

How do the toggle buttons work in Apple mail? What does Toggle mailbox do for 
example and how is it activated?

thanks.
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Re: Apple mail

[Bradford Snyder]

Sounds like you are hearing an alert from Notifications.
You can go to System Preferences > Notifications & Focus, to manage 
Notifications from Mail.

- Brad -



On Oct 17, 2022, at 16:28, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

Right now mail is announcing the subject of every email I get. I want to stop 
this as it interrupts me if I’m doing something else. Would that be in mail or 
somewhere else?

thanks.
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Apple mail

[Lorie McCloud]

Right now mail is announcing the subject of every email I get. I want to stop 
this as it interrupts me if I’m doing something else. Would that be in mail or 
somewhere else?

thanks.
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Re: More questions about Apple mail

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That would be in Mail preferences.

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On 10/17/2022 12:56 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I’m looking for the place where I can set how often messages in the trash and 
junk are deleted.

thanks.
Lorie



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More questions about Apple mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I’m looking for the place where I can set how often messages in the trash and 
junk are deleted.

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Apple mail in catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

What do I need to do to set up my mail in Catalina closest to classic view? Do 
I want column view or not? Also I want to separate my 2 mailboxes. Currently 
everything’s all in one inbox. 

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Re: question about apple mail accounts.

[Herbie Allen]

I know you can definitely do iCloud. Back when i did mine it was easy enough to 
set up, and it’s straight forward with setting up on the Apple devices.

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 13:38, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> My tony award goal is not quite that simple, ctv.ca requires a subscription, 
> with one of  our homemates creating an account so they can watch this as well.
> because I want everything connected to my mac already, and they will be 
> emailing me a link I intend to create? an apple mail account, and am hope 
> this is still possible.
> I have friends who use mac.com addresses and icloud.com ones as well.
> so, can I still create a mac.com address, via the mail application  on my 
> macbook pro?
> Any risks in doing this?
> I have zero interest in using gmail for this, and hope the apple mail account 
> will give me a central location for things etc.
> Thoughts?
> Karen
> 
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question about apple mail accounts.

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
My tony award goal is not quite that simple, ctv.ca requires a 
subscription, with one of  our homemates creating an account so they can 
watch this as well.
because I want everything connected to my mac already, and they will be 
emailing me a link I intend to create? an apple mail account, and am hope 
this is still possible.

I have friends who use mac.com addresses and icloud.com ones as well.
so, can I still create a mac.com address, via the mail application  on my 
macbook pro?

Any risks in doing this?
I have zero interest in using gmail for this, and hope the apple mail 
account will give me a central location for things etc.

Thoughts?
Karen

Re: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
Rebuilding will only make the version on your computer look like the version on 
the web assuming a IMAP mailbox is being used. It should make sure that the 
indexes that are used for the summaries are also matched correctly to the 
actual files that get created for each message.
Did you set up any rules to move messages?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 26, 2022, at 15:51, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I just tried rebuilding the mailbox on my Mac and still have the same 
> amount of messages in my inbox like I did earlier. How long is this process 
> supposed to take? I thought it was going to  download more messages from the 
> server and take a longer amount of time.
> Thanks.
> Katie
>> On May 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay great. I’ll give that a try and see if that works on my Mac. Can you 
>> rebuild a mailbox on the iPhone? My accounts are synced between both devices 
>> and I’d like to get my other emails back on my phone that disappeared from 
>> my inbox.
>> Katie
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2022, at 6:32 AM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi rebuilding the mail box is a mac mail feature.  This is does no harm as 
>>> it simplely  rebuilds the database and should saulve  your problem.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Katie Zodrow
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:30 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: Katie Zodrow 
>>> Subject: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail
>>> 
>>> Hi. I’m not sure when this happened, but I noticed some of my emails had 
>>> disappeared from my inbox sometime last week from my Mac and iPhone in the 
>>> Mail app. My inbox has both an AT email account with Yahoo and a Gmail 
>>> account. I had a lot more messages from Yahoo in my inbox before and those 
>>> messages are now missing. I did a google search for how to recover missing 
>>> emails and found out you can synchronize accounts in Mail or rebuild the 
>>> mailbox. I synchronized all the accounts first, but that didn’t work. If I 
>>> rebuild my inbox in mail, will this recover all the email messages I’m 
>>> missing from my inbox? Will this delete anything? Can you rebuild a mailbox 
>>> account on iPhone or just the Mac?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Katie
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Re: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Hi. I just tried rebuilding the mailbox on my Mac and still have the same 
amount of messages in my inbox like I did earlier. How long is this process 
supposed to take? I thought it was going to  download more messages from the 
server and take a longer amount of time.
Thanks.
Katie
> On May 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Okay great. I’ll give that a try and see if that works on my Mac. Can you 
> rebuild a mailbox on the iPhone? My accounts are synced between both devices 
> and I’d like to get my other emails back on my phone that disappeared from my 
> inbox.
> Katie
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 24, 2022, at 6:32 AM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi rebuilding the mail box is a mac mail feature.  This is does no harm as 
>> it simplely  rebuilds the database and should saulve  your problem.  HTH.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Katie Zodrow
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: Katie Zodrow 
>> Subject: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail
>> 
>> Hi. I’m not sure when this happened, but I noticed some of my emails had 
>> disappeared from my inbox sometime last week from my Mac and iPhone in the 
>> Mail app. My inbox has both an AT email account with Yahoo and a Gmail 
>> account. I had a lot more messages from Yahoo in my inbox before and those 
>> messages are now missing. I did a google search for how to recover missing 
>> emails and found out you can synchronize accounts in Mail or rebuild the 
>> mailbox. I synchronized all the accounts first, but that didn’t work. If I 
>> rebuild my inbox in mail, will this recover all the email messages I’m 
>> missing from my inbox? Will this delete anything? Can you rebuild a mailbox 
>> account on iPhone or just the Mac?
>> Thanks.
>> Katie
>> 
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Re: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Okay great. I’ll give that a try and see if that works on my Mac. Can you 
rebuild a mailbox on the iPhone? My accounts are synced between both devices 
and I’d like to get my other emails back on my phone that disappeared from my 
inbox.
Katie


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2022, at 6:32 AM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi rebuilding the mail box is a mac mail feature.  This is does no harm as 
> it simplely  rebuilds the database and should saulve  your problem.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Katie Zodrow
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Katie Zodrow 
> Subject: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail
> 
> Hi. I’m not sure when this happened, but I noticed some of my emails had 
> disappeared from my inbox sometime last week from my Mac and iPhone in the 
> Mail app. My inbox has both an AT email account with Yahoo and a Gmail 
> account. I had a lot more messages from Yahoo in my inbox before and those 
> messages are now missing. I did a google search for how to recover missing 
> emails and found out you can synchronize accounts in Mail or rebuild the 
> mailbox. I synchronized all the accounts first, but that didn’t work. If I 
> rebuild my inbox in mail, will this recover all the email messages I’m 
> missing from my inbox? Will this delete anything? Can you rebuild a mailbox 
> account on iPhone or just the Mac?
> Thanks.
> Katie
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RE: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi rebuilding the mail box is a mac mail feature.  This is does no harm as it 
simplely  rebuilds the database and should saulve  your problem.  HTH.

Matthew



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Subject: rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail

Hi. I’m not sure when this happened, but I noticed some of my emails had 
disappeared from my inbox sometime last week from my Mac and iPhone in the Mail 
app. My inbox has both an AT email account with Yahoo and a Gmail account. I 
had a lot more messages from Yahoo in my inbox before and those messages are 
now missing. I did a google search for how to recover missing emails and found 
out you can synchronize accounts in Mail or rebuild the mailbox. I synchronized 
all the accounts first, but that didn’t work. If I rebuild my inbox in mail, 
will this recover all the email messages I’m missing from my inbox? Will this 
delete anything? Can you rebuild a mailbox account on iPhone or just the Mac?
Thanks.
Katie

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rebuilding a mailbox in Apple Mail

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi. I’m not sure when this happened, but I noticed some of my emails had 
disappeared from my inbox sometime last week from my Mac and iPhone in the Mail 
app. My inbox has both an AT email account with Yahoo and a Gmail account. I 
had a lot more messages from Yahoo in my inbox before and those messages are 
now missing. I did a google search for how to recover missing emails and found 
out you can synchronize accounts in Mail or rebuild the mailbox. I synchronized 
all the accounts first, but that didn’t work. If I rebuild my inbox in mail, 
will this recover all the email messages I’m missing from my inbox? Will this 
delete anything? Can you rebuild a mailbox account on iPhone or just the Mac?
Thanks.
Katie

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Re: Apple mail on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

this appears to have done the trick. at least so far. thanks.

> On May 17, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering if this issue could have to do with a mail message that is 
> trying to load remote content.
> To eliminate this possibility, try the following:
> 1.  Open Mail Preferences, and select the Privacy category.
> 2.  Make sure that either the Protect Mail Activity item is selected, or the 
> Block All Remote Content item is selected.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2022, at 17:57, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Well, I haven't heard of such a behavior but it is more likely a settings 
> strangeness than an anything else.
> There is a slight possibility that you are having storage issues, but that is 
> very unlikely.
> Try using 
> VO-F1 Read current application 
> VO-F2 Read current window name 
> VO-F3 Read current VO Cursor location 
> and 
> VO-F4 Read current keyboard focus 
> 
> This should let you kverify that you are indeed in a mail message window of 
> the Mail app and that your Focus is on the content of the message. 
> You can also try interact/stop interact commands to see if they provide 
> context.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 17, 2022, at 15:46, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> very often when I hit enter on an email it doesn't load. my Mac just sits 
>> there. I can't even close it. if I turn vo off and then back on it says: 
>> "archive.." at that point I can left-arrow to "close." I'm on an old Mac 
>> Mini, late 2014 running monterey.
>> 
>> is this just Mac old age or might something else be wrong? I do have Clean 
>> My Mac but last time I had it at the Mac store to fix a bungled upgrade, the 
>> tech told me not to use Clean My Mac. any suggestions?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on a Mac

[Brad Snyder]

I’m wondering if this issue could have to do with a mail message that is trying 
to load remote content.
To eliminate this possibility, try the following:
1.  Open Mail Preferences, and select the Privacy category.
2.  Make sure that either the Protect Mail Activity item is selected, or the 
Block All Remote Content item is selected.

HTH.

- Brad -




On May 17, 2022, at 17:57, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Well, I haven't heard of such a behavior but it is more likely a settings 
strangeness than an anything else.
There is a slight possibility that you are having storage issues, but that is 
very unlikely.
Try using 
VO-F1 Read current application 
VO-F2 Read current window name 
VO-F3 Read current VO Cursor location 
and 
VO-F4 Read current keyboard focus 

This should let you kverify that you are indeed in a mail message window of the 
Mail app and that your Focus is on the content of the message. 
You can also try interact/stop interact commands to see if they provide context.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 17, 2022, at 15:46, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> very often when I hit enter on an email it doesn't load. my Mac just sits 
> there. I can't even close it. if I turn vo off and then back on it says: 
> "archive.." at that point I can left-arrow to "close." I'm on an old Mac 
> Mini, late 2014 running monterey.
> 
> is this just Mac old age or might something else be wrong? I do have Clean My 
> Mac but last time I had it at the Mac store to fix a bungled upgrade, the 
> tech told me not to use Clean My Mac. any suggestions?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on a Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, I haven't heard of such a behavior but it is more likely a settings 
strangeness than an anything else.
There is a slight possibility that you are having storage issues, but that is 
very unlikely.
Try using 
VO-F1 Read current application 
VO-F2 Read current window name 
VO-F3 Read current VO Cursor location 
and 
VO-F4 Read current keyboard focus 

This should let you kverify that you are indeed in a mail message window of the 
Mail app and that your Focus is on the content of the message. 
You can also try interact/stop interact commands to see if they provide context.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 17, 2022, at 15:46, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> very often when I hit enter on an email it doesn't load. my Mac just sits 
> there. I can't even close it. if I turn vo off and then back on it says: 
> "archive.." at that point I can left-arrow to "close." I'm on an old Mac 
> Mini, late 2014 running monterey.
> 
> is this just Mac old age or might something else be wrong? I do have Clean My 
> Mac but last time I had it at the Mac store to fix a bungled upgrade, the 
> tech told me not to use Clean My Mac. any suggestions?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Apple mail on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

very often when I hit enter on an email it doesn't load. my Mac just sits 
there. I can't even close it. if I turn vo off and then back on it says: 
"archive.." at that point I can left-arrow to "close." I'm on an old Mac Mini, 
late 2014 running monterey.

is this just Mac old age or might something else be wrong? I do have Clean My 
Mac but last time I had it at the Mac store to fix a bungled upgrade, the tech 
told me not to use Clean My Mac. any suggestions?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Apple mail

[Herbie Allen]

VO J


> On Mar 30, 2022, at 22:26, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I don't understand the layout well enough to know what you mean. how do you 
> get into the sidebar?
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 7:20 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> In the side bar, go down passed all the stuff that says Sink issues and all 
>> that and you will come to your iCloud folders.
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 17:41, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have 2 accounts in Apple mail. gmail is my main one but I also use 
>>> iCloud. I'm trying to get into the trash in iCloud. I can find trash and 
>>> all my gmail trash is there but I don't know how to get into trash or 
>>> deleted messages in iCloud. this is in Monterey.
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Re: Apple mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't understand the layout well enough to know what you mean. how do you get 
into the sidebar?

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 7:20 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> In the side bar, go down passed all the stuff that says Sink issues and all 
> that and you will come to your iCloud folders.
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>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 17:41, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I have 2 accounts in Apple mail. gmail is my main one but I also use iCloud. 
>> I'm trying to get into the trash in iCloud. I can find trash and all my 
>> gmail trash is there but I don't know how to get into trash or deleted 
>> messages in iCloud. this is in Monterey.
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Re: Apple mail

[Herbie Allen]

In the side bar, go down passed all the stuff that says Sink issues and all 
that and you will come to your iCloud folders.

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 17:41, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have 2 accounts in Apple mail. gmail is my main one but I also use iCloud. 
> I'm trying to get into the trash in iCloud. I can find trash and all my gmail 
> trash is there but I don't know how to get into trash or deleted messages in 
> iCloud. this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Apple mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I have 2 accounts in Apple mail. gmail is my main one but I also use iCloud. 
I'm trying to get into the trash in iCloud. I can find trash and all my gmail 
trash is there but I don't know how to get into trash or deleted messages in 
iCloud. this is in Monterey.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
I was going to suggest using a voiceOver search or the item chooser to find any 
collapsed item in the mailbox list, but I can't get this to work on my system 
running MacOS 12.2. Anybody out there running MacOS 12.1 who can test?

1. press VO-J until in the Mailbox list.
2. press VO-I tobring up item chooser.
3. type cloud 

When I did this, I expected to find my iCloud folder, but only found messages.
Strange.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 27, 2022, at 02:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing 
> right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the 
> iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>> 
>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>> 
>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>> contents table.
>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
>> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I only have 2 gmail folders but I'm having trouble understanding this layout. 
I'll fiddle around with it some more.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It will be towards the bottom after all your Gmail folders. Might help to to 
> hav them collapsed.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 14:03, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around 
>> some more.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the 
>>> sink issues folder.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>>>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or 
>>>> at least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>>>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. 
>>>> where is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the 
>>>>> Enter key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>>>> contents table.
>>>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>>>> Mailbox list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>>>> interacting.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>>>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. 
>>>>>> When she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets 
>>>>>> this table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads 
>>>>>> the subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember 
>>>>>> how I set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big 
>>>>>> Sir. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

It will be towards the bottom after all your Gmail folders. Might help to to 
hav them collapsed.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 14:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around some 
> more.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
>> issues folder.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
>>> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where 
>>> is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>>> 
>>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>>>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>>> 
>>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>>> contents table.
>>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>>> Mailbox list.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>>> interacting.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. 
>>>>> When she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets 
>>>>> this table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads 
>>>>> the subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember 
>>>>> how I set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. 
>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Holly
>>>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't think I've ever seen that folder. guess I'll have to look around some 
more.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
> issues folder.
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
>> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
>> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. 
>> pressing right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where 
>> is the iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>>> 
>>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>>> 
>>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>>> contents table.
>>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be 
>>> navigated without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the 
>>> Mailbox list.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without 
>>> interacting.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >>> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Holly
>>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

In your list of mailboxes. In mine at least, I have to go down past the sink 
issues folder.

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing 
> right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the 
> iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>> 
>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>> 
>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>> contents table.
>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
>> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >> <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Holly
>>> 
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t use iCloud mail, but I have several other mail accounts enabled, so the 
following should work the same when iCloud mail is one of the enabled accounts, 
assuming you are using the stock Apple Mail app on your Mac:

When you are in the Mailbox List table, make sure you interact with the table, 
so you can navigate to the group headings.
You should be able to find the heading for Favorites, and you can press VO + 
Spacebar to either expand or collapse the group.
Once expanded, you should be able to locate the All Trash item.
Once the All Trash item has been located, you can once again use VO + Spacebar, 
to expand the item, and this should reveal the individual Trash boxes for each 
account you have enabled.

Alternatively, you should be able to navigate to the heading for each of your 
enabled mail accounts, and then use VO + Spacebar, to make sure that account is 
expanded.
Now, you should be able to navigate and locate the Trash box for each of your 
enabled mail accounts in your Apple Mail app.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Jan 27, 2022, at 01:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and iCloud. 
once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at least look 
at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing right arrow 
to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the iCloud trash? 
this is in Monterey.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
> 
> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
> 
> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
> contents table.
> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen > <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>> advice would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Lorie McCloud]

I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and iCloud. 
once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at least look 
at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing right arrow 
to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the iCloud trash? 
this is in Monterey.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
> 
> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
> 
> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
> contents table.
> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen > <mailto:thistleshamrock2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>> advice would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.

Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter key 
to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.

As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or uses 
the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox contents 
table.
Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is off, 
then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set 
> it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any advice 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Holly
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Re: Apple Mail Question

[Herbie Allen]

Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is off, 
then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set 
> it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any advice 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Holly
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Apple Mail Question

[Holly Jensen]

Hi,

I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When she 
interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this table with 
a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the subject and then 
the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I set it up to do that, 
or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any advice would be appreciated.

Holly

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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Lorie McCloud]

I just didn't know anything about favorites. never used them or looked at them.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Some Favorites may be in the Favorites area by default.  Others must be added.
> This is nothing new.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:30, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
> how often they're used?
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

Some Favorites may be in the Favorites area by default.  Others must be added.
This is nothing new.

- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:30, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
how often they're used?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Lorie McCloud]

do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
how often they're used?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

The behavior I described has been true for all versions of Apple mail, going 
back for as long as I have been using a Mac. This is not something that's new 
in either Big Sur or Monterey.

- Brad -

On Dec 29, 2021, at 15:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Oh, I see what you’re talking about.  If I don’t use VO keys, the only thing 
the arrow keys do is expand and collapse the mailbox.  Again, this is in Big 
Sur.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
> Arrow keys).
> If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
> keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
> When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
> headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
> These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
> navigation commands.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the 
> mailboxes expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
>> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
>> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
>> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  
>> I am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
>> 
>> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
>> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>>> if you wish.
>>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
>>>> on your Mac.
>>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>>> group and each mail account..
>>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail a

Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, I see what you’re talking about.  If I don’t use VO keys, the only thing 
the arrow keys do is expand and collapse the mailbox.  Again, this is in Big 
Sur.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
> Arrow keys).
> If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
> keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
> When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
> headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
> These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
> navigation commands.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the 
> mailboxes expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
>> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
>> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
>> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  
>> I am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
>> 
>> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
>> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler >> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>>> if you wish.
>>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
>>>> on your Mac.
>>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>>> group and each mail account..
>>>> If a group of 

Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
Arrow keys).
If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
navigation commands.

HTH.


- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the mailboxes 
expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
> am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
> 
> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iClou

Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the mailboxes 
expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
> am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
> 
> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not find 
the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is collapse, you 
will not be informed of this information.
I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
am sure you will find things you did not know were there.

2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".

- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
Monterrey will those things change?

2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
conversation view?
TIA,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
> other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
> other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
> and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Alia,

Thanks.  I’d disabled it in the View Menu in All Inboxes, but didn’t realize I 
needed to do that for each mailbox.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:11 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> nothing should change too much if you upgrade. go to the view menu to disable 
> conversations.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler >> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>>> if you wish.
>>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
>>>> on your Mac.
>>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>>> group and each mail account..
>>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can 
>>>> expand it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any 
>>>> group as well.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[alia robinson]

nothing should change too much if you upgrade. go to the view menu to disable 
conversations.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
Monterrey will those things change?

2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
conversation view?
TIA,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
> other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
> other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
> and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Les Kriegler]

Yes, I often do not interact with the mailbox table. That might be why I’m not 
seeing it. I like to use first letter navigation when I can. I have to Mail 
accounts and I can generally jump between them using that method when I am in 
the mailbox list. It beats using the up-and-down arrows which I also have to do 
sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.

- Brad -

On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Brad,

I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one locate 
the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s probably not a 
mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud pops up. But I 
don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Brad,

I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one locate 
the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s probably not a 
mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud pops up. But I 
don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big Sur.  
There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
the Mailbox list.
The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent Items, 
for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
you wish.
Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
your Mac.
Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
active in your Apple Mail client.
If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
and each mail account..
If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand it 
using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as well.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in Apple 
mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't say the 
name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I think I just 
can't find iCloud. how does this work?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

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Hi Lori, you need to make sure all them boxes are expanded. Once you're in the 
mailbox table, you should be able to arrow down and see which mailboxes are 
available.

> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:10 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
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Apple mail in Monterey

[Lorie McCloud]

I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in Apple 
mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't say the 
name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I think I just 
can't find iCloud. how does this work?

thanks.
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Re: Formatting a draft email im Apple mail - unable to figure this out? Advice appreciated.

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, thanks for the reply, but unfortunately that did not solve the 
problem., Ron.

> On 4 Dec 2021, at 16:20, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 4/12/21 10:11, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi there, Does anyone have any advice on how to do this? I highlite the text 
>> and go to format, change the font size but it snaps back to the original 
>> setting and the text is unchanged.
> I don't use Apple Mail these days, so this might not help, but I would 
> suggest checking whether you're composing an HTML message. If you're creating 
> a plain text message instead, formatting cannot be applied to it.
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Re: Formatting a draft email im Apple mail - unable to figure this out? Advice appreciated.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 4/12/21 10:11, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi there, Does anyone have any advice on how to do this? I highlite 
the text and go to format, change the font size but it snaps back to 
the original setting and the text is unchanged.
I don't use Apple Mail these days, so this might not help, but I would 
suggest checking whether you're composing an HTML message. If you're 
creating a plain text message instead, formatting cannot be applied to it.


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Formatting a draft email im Apple mail - unable to figure this out? Advice appreciated.

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, Does anyone have any advice on how to do this? I highlite the 
text and go to format, change the font size but it snaps back to the 
original setting and the text is unchanged.
Thank you in advance.

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Re: Apple mail

[Brad Snyder]

Sounds like your Apple Mail client is blocking HTML content in Junk email.
If you navigate outside of the mail item’s content area, you should find a bar 
with a button to show hidden content.  This should be located between the 
content area, and the header area.

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On Sep 29, 2021, at 18:23, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

on my Mac running Catalina I sometimes get emals that vo won't read when Iopen 
them. it just says: "mark as vip--read." if I arrow around it looks like it 
might not even be in the body of the email. what's happening there? these are 
almost always from a bulk mialout. 

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Apple mail

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on my Mac running Catalina I sometimes get emals that vo won't read when Iopen 
them. it just says: "mark as vip--read." if I arrow around it looks like it 
might not even be in the body of the email. what's happening there? these are 
almost always from a bulk mialout. 

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Re: attachments in Apple Mail

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Try the following:
1.  With the Mail message open, interact with the body of the message, and 
navigate to the attachment.2.With VoiceOver focus on the attachment, press VO + 
Spacebar.  This will open a shortcut menu, with several options for accessing 
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On Sep 17, 2021, at 17:08, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I want to open an attachment that's in a message in Apple Mail. it's a pdf. I 
can locate it using vo-command-j which finds form controls. vo reads its title 
to me but I can't interact with it or open it. is there a way to open 
attachments such as that in the message or do I have to save it somewhere else?

thanks.
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Re: attachments in Apple Mail

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could you be a little more specific? I know about quick nav. are you saying you 
turn it to links and then what? click on it or open it with the up and down 
arrow keys?

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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> Lori, I use the quick navigation keys, like you're going to press a link. And 
> that normally brings up a menu to where you can open or save. It will 
> normally open up in Preview. And sometimes text edit.
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I want to open an attachment that's in a message in Apple Mail. it's a pdf. 
>> I can locate it using vo-command-j which finds form controls. vo reads its 
>> title to me but I can't interact with it or open it. is there a way to open 
>> attachments such as that in the message or do I have to save it somewhere 
>> else?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: attachments in Apple Mail

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Lori, I use the quick navigation keys, like you're going to press a link. And 
that normally brings up a menu to where you can open or save. It will normally 
open up in Preview. And sometimes text edit.

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I want to open an attachment that's in a message in Apple Mail. it's a pdf. I 
> can locate it using vo-command-j which finds form controls. vo reads its 
> title to me but I can't interact with it or open it. is there a way to open 
> attachments such as that in the message or do I have to save it somewhere 
> else?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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attachments in Apple Mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I want to open an attachment that's in a message in Apple Mail. it's a pdf. I 
can locate it using vo-command-j which finds form controls. vo reads its title 
to me but I can't interact with it or open it. is there a way to open 
attachments such as that in the message or do I have to save it somewhere else?

thanks.
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Re: Message list in Apple Mail on Bigsur

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Are you using quicknav orVO arrow keys? If so,thentry using arrow keys with no 
modification.
Standard table actions with VO arrow keys is to go to the next column first row 
when you get to the end of a specific column.
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Re: Message list in Apple Mail on Bigsur

[Brad Snyder]

On my 2019 MacBook Pro 13, running macOS 11.3 big Sur, I am using Column 
layout, and I do not experience the issue you describe.
You might consider changing to Column Layout, and see if this works better for 
you. 

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On May 3, 2021, at 12:48, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello,
I am running Bigsur 11.3 on my Intel iMac. 
Is there any way to stop the items in the message list in Apple Mail from 
wrapping round as I arrow down the list? Failing that is there a way to go to 
the first and last items in this list?
Most (but not all) of my mail boxes are sorted by date with the youngest 
message on top.I often  want to read the most recent Emails in a particular 
Mail box. I recall that in earlier Mac/OS releases I could start at the most 
recent item in the list of messages and then arrow down to see the other 
messages until I got to the oldest message. Further arrowing down did nothing. 
Now when I get to the oldest message and arrow down I go back to the youngest 
message which I find very annoying.
Many thanks for any tips.
Best … Paul Hopewell

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Message list in Apple Mail on Bigsur

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running Bigsur 11.3 on my Intel iMac. 
Is there any way to stop the items in the message list in Apple Mail from 
wrapping round as I arrow down the list? Failing that is there a way to go to 
the first and last items in this list?
Most (but not all) of my mail boxes are sorted by date with the youngest 
message on top.I often  want to read the most recent Emails in a particular 
Mail box. I recall that in earlier Mac/OS releases I could start at the most 
recent item in the list of messages and then arrow down to see the other 
messages until I got to the oldest message. Further arrowing down did nothing. 
Now when I get to the oldest message and arrow down I go back to the youngest 
message which I find very annoying.
Many thanks for any tips.
Best … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Apple mail on Mac

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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> It changed in Big Sur. In Catalina and earlier, before the list of Mailboxes 
> was a separate grouping of Favorite Mailboxes.
> In Big Sur they are not a distinct groups, the easiest way to see Favorites 
> in the newer system is to go to the top of the list of Mailboxes. The first 
> line should say something like:
> Favorites 6 items add button.
> If you click the add button you can add additional mail folders to your 
> favorites.
> The big advantage to favorites is the builtin commands for them.
> command-1 will open the first favorite folder and. command-control-1 will 
> move a message to the first favorite mailbox. 
> These commands work up to at least 6  favorite folders.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 15:13, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> where are favorites on the Mac?
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
>>> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at 
>>> quickly.
>>> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it 
>>> there is a option to remove it from favorites.
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing 
 though.
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before 
> it starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear 
> that every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: favorites in Apple Mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I think mine's set that way too. at least I set it that way awhile back. I'll 
check it.

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 12:04 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don’t hear this on my Mac mini running Catalina.
> My Mail is set to show in Column Layout.  I wonder if that has anything to do 
> with why I don’t hear this.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 3, 2021, at 22:35, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I'm running Catalina on my Mac mini. when I move up to the top of the mailbox 
> list I hear: "drafts, favorites." I can't figure out how to see what's in 
> there because I only get the drafts if there are any. I looked through all of 
> my mailboxes and couldn't find vip anywhere but every time I open an email I 
> hear: "Mark as VIP." suggestions please.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: favorites in Apple Mail

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t hear this on my Mac mini running Catalina.
My Mail is set to show in Column Layout.  I wonder if that has anything to do 
with why I don’t hear this.

- Brad -


On Mar 3, 2021, at 22:35, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I'm running Catalina on my Mac mini. when I move up to the top of the mailbox 
list I hear: "drafts, favorites." I can't figure out how to see what's in there 
because I only get the drafts if there are any. I looked through all of my 
mailboxes and couldn't find vip anywhere but every time I open an email I hear: 
"Mark as VIP." suggestions please.

thanks.
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favorites in Apple Mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm running Catalina on my Mac mini. when I move up to the top of the mailbox 
list I hear: "drafts, favorites." I can't figure out how to see what's in there 
because I only get the drafts if there are any. I looked through all of my 
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"Mark as VIP." suggestions please.

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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm running Catalina. how do I get to it on there?

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> It changed in Big Sur. In Catalina and earlier, before the list of Mailboxes 
> was a separate grouping of Favorite Mailboxes.
> In Big Sur they are not a distinct groups, the easiest way to see Favorites 
> in the newer system is to go to the top of the list of Mailboxes. The first 
> line should say something like:
> Favorites 6 items add button.
> If you click the add button you can add additional mail folders to your 
> favorites.
> The big advantage to favorites is the builtin commands for them.
> command-1 will open the first favorite folder and. command-control-1 will 
> move a message to the first favorite mailbox. 
> These commands work up to at least 6  favorite folders.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 15:13, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> where are favorites on the Mac?
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
>>> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at 
>>> quickly.
>>> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it 
>>> there is a option to remove it from favorites.
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing 
 though.
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before 
> it starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear 
> that every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

It changed in Big Sur. In Catalina and earlier, before the list of Mailboxes 
was a separate grouping of Favorite Mailboxes.
In Big Sur they are not a distinct groups, the easiest way to see Favorites in 
the newer system is to go to the top of the list of Mailboxes. The first line 
should say something like:
Favorites 6 items add button.
If you click the add button you can add additional mail folders to your 
favorites.
The big advantage to favorites is the builtin commands for them.
command-1 will open the first favorite folder and. command-control-1 will move 
a message to the first favorite mailbox. 
These commands work up to at least 6  favorite folders.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 3, 2021, at 15:13, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> where are favorites on the Mac?
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
>> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
>> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it 
>> there is a option to remove it from favorites.
>>   
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing 
>>> though.
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
 Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before 
 it starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear 
 that every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
 
 thanks.
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

where are favorites on the Mac?

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it there 
> is a option to remove it from favorites.
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing though.
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
>>> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before it 
>>> starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear that 
>>> every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Good point.  Should have caught that myself.
I don’t think I've ever had a VIP folder on my Mac Mail app.  I’ve had several 
different Macs over the years, and don’t remember ever having one, or doing 
anything to get rid of it.  I could be wrong, and probably am.
I do see the VIP folder as an option on my iOS devices, just not on my Macs.

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On Mar 3, 2021, at 06:35, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google tends 
to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it there 
is a option to remove it from favorites.
  
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing though.
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
>> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before it 
>> starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear that 
>> every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

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I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google tends 
to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it there 
is a option to remove it from favorites.
  
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing though.
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
>> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before it 
>> starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear that 
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>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

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I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing though.

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
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lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before it 
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time. is there a way to get rid of it?

thanks.
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