Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-05 Thread Alberto Garcia
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:14:14PM -0400, hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: How do you use accelerometer on a netbook? You program it to park the hard disk heads when the accelerometer readings warrant. ThinkPads do exactly that: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Active_Protection_System There's

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-04 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
lakestevensdental lakestevensden...@verizon.net writes: Gary wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: but there's no Linux marketing agent to sit down at the table with Nokia and some cell provider to cut a deal. These companies would probably disagree: http://www.canonical.com/partners

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-04 Thread hendrik
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 03:35:29PM -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: How do you use accelerometer on a netbook? You program it to park the hard disk heads when the accelerometer readings warrant. -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-03 Thread Syren Baran
Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 17:50 -0700 schrieb lakestevensdental: This nitpicking about Linux vs MS OS offerings aside, IMHO, Linux is never going to make its mark as a major market OS until somehow it offers a top end gaming platform equal to (and ideally compatible with) what

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-03 Thread Syren Baran
Am Donnerstag, den 03.09.2009, 13:16 -0700 schrieb lakestevensdental: So how come linux devices probably outnumber windows devices? (DSL-)Router, NAS/SAN, Hard disc recorders,network printers etc.. Oh, it doesnt come with a powered by linux sticker. Doesnt mean its not there. You seem

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-02 Thread Gary
it has an accelerometer and long battery life but I would immediately swap out the 4200 rpm hard drive... http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/09/02/more-nokia-booklet-3g-specs-emerge-at-nokia-world-09/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-01 Thread lakestevensdental
sean wrote: What will make the Nokia Netbook any more unique then some other model? It will be the first line of netbooks abandoned by it's maker and left up to user support? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-01 Thread lakestevensdental
Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: So, how do you explain other companies selling netbooks with Linux? They don't know what they are doing? It's a marketing/business decision. If the company feels there's sufficient market to support the extra hassles of inventory management of Linux units, and

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-01 Thread Gary
lakestevensdental wrote: but there's no Linux marketing agent to sit down at the table with Nokia and some cell provider to cut a deal. These companies would probably disagree: http://www.canonical.com/partners http://www.novell.com/linux/partners.html http://www.xandros.com/products/oem/

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-09-01 Thread lakestevensdental
Gary wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: but there's no Linux marketing agent to sit down at the table with Nokia and some cell provider to cut a deal. These companies would probably disagree: http://www.canonical.com/partners http://www.novell.com/linux/partners.html

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-29 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
lakestevensdental lakestevensden...@verizon.net writes: But $25 is nothing to sneeze at. I would still rather pay $25 less and install kubuntu on the entire drive than pay $25 more and end up with dual-boot. Either way, it's still Linux I'll be using, so why should I have to pay extra for

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-29 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
lakestevensdental lakestevensden...@verizon.net writes: You appear to be ignoring the power of numbers. Nokia's netbook, bundled with Windows will sell far more units with than without. The larger quantity sold with Windows will allow Nokia to produce sell their netbook for less than

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-29 Thread sean
What will make the Nokia Netbook any more unique then some other model? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-27 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Gary wrote: Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Almost all GPRS/UMTS/HSPA modems appear to the CPU as a serial device and need standard AT commands for connection management. Oh yeah -- I forgot about that. There's a way to use those modems with OS X that involve some configuration of

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-27 Thread lakestevensdental
Gary wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: You appear to be ignoring the power of numbers. Nokia's netbook, bundled with Windows will sell far more units with than without. The larger quantity sold with Windows will allow Nokia to produce sell their netbook for less than otherwise, perhaps

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-27 Thread lakestevensdental
Mark Haury wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: But $25 is nothing to sneeze at. I would still rather pay $25 less and install kubuntu on the entire drive than pay $25 more and end up with dual-boot. Either way, it's still Linux I'll be using, so why should I have to pay

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Gary wrote: The catch will be whether they release drivers for the HSPA broadband chipset ... Drivers for the HSPA chipset? Almost all GPRS/UMTS/HSPA modems appear to the CPU as a serial device and need standard AT commands for connection management. The only exception I

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread Gary
Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Almost all GPRS/UMTS/HSPA modems appear to the CPU as a serial device and need standard AT commands for connection management. Oh yeah -- I forgot about that. There's a way to use those modems with OS X that involve some configuration of PPP. Is that the same way a

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread Gary
Kevin T. Neely wrote: Actually, it's a new MSFT technology called DirectConnect (or DirectAccess or something like that) that is basically a multi-path IPv6 IPSEC tunnel. I guess they can say no VPN needed because it only goes to the corp network when it needs to, but this seems to be really

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread lakestevensdental
But they _should_ offer it as a purchase option, and let those of us who would rather do without Windows get a better price. As I understand it, the per unit price for Windows to an OEM is something like $25/unit, not the $100+ that end users pay (kind of stupid marketing but that's MS

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread Mark
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM, lakestevensdentallakestevensden...@verizon.net wrote: But they _should_ offer it as a purchase option, and let those of us who would rather do without Windows get a better price. As I understand it, the per unit price for Windows to an OEM is something like

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread lakestevensdental
Mark wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM, lakestevensdentallakestevensden...@verizon.net wrote: But they _should_ offer it as a purchase option, and let those of us who would rather do without Windows get a better price. As I understand it, the per unit price for Windows to

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
On 08/26/2009 04:37 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM, lakestevensdentallakestevensden...@verizon.net wrote: But they _should_ offer it as a purchase option, and let those of us who would rather do without Windows get a better price. As I

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread Gary
lakestevensdental wrote: You appear to be ignoring the power of numbers. Nokia's netbook, bundled with Windows will sell far more units with than without. The larger quantity sold with Windows will allow Nokia to produce sell their netbook for less than otherwise, perhaps more than $25

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread lakestevensdental
s...@ece.ucsb.edu wrote ---I have a Lenovo S10 netbook dual booting Windows XP and Fedora Core 11 (with rpmfusion software repository enabled for non-free stuff). I much prefer Fedora over XP. Fedora works well: wireless, suspend, hibernate, flash videos, videos (via VLC) all work

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-26 Thread Mark Haury
lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: But $25 is nothing to sneeze at. I would still rather pay $25 less and install kubuntu on the entire drive than pay $25 more and end up with dual-boot. Either way, it's still Linux I'll be using, so why should I have to pay extra for something I

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread booiiing
2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread William Maddler
I think there are two factors: 1) People will find more comfortable with a known interface. 2) Commercial agreements. I'd like to have the choice among Windows or Linux. Some vendors will let you choose your OS. Some won't. On 25/08/2009 16:15, Gary wrote: I wonder why they chose Windows over

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Kenneth Loafman
booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3 months and maemo

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread William Maddler
On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Garyg...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue.

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken It's the IBM OS/2 story all over again a company that doesn't have faith in its own OS is a company doomed to

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
I strongly believe Maemo will be a direct competitor to Google Chrome OS WHEN it'll be ready for a netbook form factor device. They had (for whatever reason [may be test the market?]) to release a netbook, but neither Symbian nor Maemo were ready for it. So why wonder? Maemo will be an OS that

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread George Farris
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 17:04 +0200, William Maddler wrote: On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Garyg...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Mark
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue.

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Antonio Di Cello
Hi, in the spot video booklet 3g the new netbook nokia is presented with windows. But I personally prefer the combination of opensource software Ubuntu + Maemo. For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the specifications of new booklet3G :

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Gary
Antonio Di Cello wrote: For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the specifications of new booklet3G The Guardian has more speculation on the hardware specs. http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sXsDARYcytKh_ev4Q2pP53Q/view.m?id=158147tid=120787 My guess is that they're

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Kevin T. Neely
There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight has been given to the fact that Nokia has just within the

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Gadsbystephen.gad...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft hires an advertising firm, surely. Showing they'll use an appropriate tool for a job and not kill themselves with NIH. My point in the end was that one of the several reasons of microsoft's market

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Mark
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook.  Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips?  I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. This was partially mentioned above, but

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Gary
Kevin T. Neely wrote: There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. Not that I'm aware of. This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight has been

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Jean-Christian de Rivaz
Kevin T. Neely a écrit : There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version for the tablets. The Scratchbox tool used into Maemo already support x86 processors. And Linux certainly support

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:55:38AM -0600, Mark wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Kevin T. Neely
I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be too

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Ove Nordström
I wondering if the Nokia Netbook is a touch screen tablet? If not, is it really possible to run Maemo 5 on it? /ove 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Kevin T. Neely
It's not touchscreen, but I believe Maemo can be controlled via mouse keyboard. K 2009/8/25 Ove Nordström ove.nordst...@gmail.com I wondering if the Nokia Netbook is a touch screen tablet? If not, is it really possible to run Maemo 5 on it? /ove 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Gary
Kevin T. Neely wrote: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. That's just Microsoft ActiveSync and it's no

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Kevin T. Neely
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Gary g...@eyetraxx.net wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com writes: I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after. I suspect an

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Ove Nordström
But then, how is that netbook from Nokia going to be different from netbooks from other manufacturers? This will be very interesting to see next week!! /ove 2009/8/26 Alexandru Cardaniuc cardan...@gmail.com: Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com writes: I just recall a good bit of the

RE: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Kevin T. Neely
, but it is distinguishable from most. K Sent from my N97 read about it at http://rubbernecking.info -Original Message- From: Alexandru Cardaniuc Sent: 08/25/2009 3:47:24 PM Subject: Re: Nokia netbook Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com writes: I just recall a good bit

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 00:37:18 Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: Maemo's point is to be a substitute of a real distribution because of the hardware limitations like small screens and weak processing capabilities. You're talking just about the UI, Maemo is (headed to be) much more than just a

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
booiiing booii...@gmail.com writes: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm i say at most 3

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
Mark wolfm...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional,

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:55:38AM -0600, Mark wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: booiiing wrote: 2009/8/25 Gary g...@eyetraxx.net: I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony is weak

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Mark Haury
Kevin T. Neely wrote: I wasn't even suggesting Nokia offer Linux as a purchase option, just as an after-purchase option for someone that wants it. It would be different in the same ways the Win7 booklet is different from other windows netbooks, basically styling and the GSM SIM card slot.

Re: Nokia netbook

2009-08-25 Thread Mark Haury
Kevin T. Neely wrote: I wasn't even suggesting Nokia offer Linux as a purchase option, just as an after-purchase option for someone that wants it. Actually, they don't even need to install an OS on it. Just give it to me with an empty HDD and a more attractive price and I'll run with it.