Ok, thanks to you both, that should get us by.
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 9:05 am, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 2019-02-23 at 08:04 +1100, Peter Shute wrote:
> > Thanks. I assume that will work on subject lines, will it also
> > a
Thanks. I assume that will work on subject lines, will it also allow
filtering on the message body? If not, is there any way to do that?
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 7:00 am, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:
>
>
> On February 22, 2019 6:33:48 PM U
Is it possible to specify keywords that will cause a matching message to
held for moderation? I thought I'd seen something like this, but I can't
find it in the admin interface.
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On 17 September 2018 at 08:48, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Or, if you have a personalized unsubscribe link in a list footer like
> this list does, the list member replied to or forwarded a list post
> without removing the quoted footer and a recipient clicked it
> maliciously, inadvertently or thinking
Thanks. We'll have to ask the admin for those. We're on cpanel, and I
don't think we've got access ourselves.
On 17 September 2018 at 02:31, Dmitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users
wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 00:44:40 +1000
> Peter Shute wrote:
>
>> At least one
e any way for us to monitor these attempts?
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> On 8 Aug 2018, at 6:14 pm, Stephen J. Turnbull
> wrote:
>
> Peter
it was possible to steer all of them through the process.
On 8 August 2018 at 11:48, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 8/7/18 6:33 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> > Recently we've had a lot of members from one particular domain (
> > bigpond.com/bigpond.com.au) marked bouncing, and it lo
I should have mentioned we've done that, and the reason for all of them is
" 558 5.7.1 5B04183724647A17 Message content rejected due to suspected
spam. IB703 "
On 8 August 2018 at 08:45, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 08/07/2018 03:33 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> >
> > I&#
few days later they're marked bouncing again.
I'm guessing that for some reason, that mail server thinks our digest
emails are spam. Any ideas what to do about this?
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It’s happening to multiple moderators on multiple devices with independent
internet connections, so it sounds like we need to ask our server provider to
look into it.
Thanks,
Peter Shute
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> On 12 Mar 2018, at 12:58 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> On 03/11/2018 10
fails, so it appears to be somehow
triggered by particular messages. And that also discounts a DNS fault?
We have long had an issue where it displays a 404 error when we try to approve,
but that was rare. This problem happens for most messages.
Ideas for diagnosis?
Peter Shute
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her than accepting.
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On the moderator summary page, the available options are Defer, Approve, Reject
or Discard.
On the detail page, they're Defer, Accept, Reject or Discard.
Only a cosmetic difference, but perhaps someone could change one to match the
other?
Peter
Robert Heller wrote:
> Does the list have archives (public or private)? Are the messages showing up
> there?
No archives.
> Are the messages "not being sent out" from @gmail.com addresses? GMail
> "tosses" messages a poster from gmail sends when it comes back to that
> poster.
>
> The message
after
being approved, it got through.
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> On 1 Feb 2018, at 3:04 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> On 01/31/2018 07:08 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
>> Today we've noticed that messages we've approved aren't getting sent out by
>> the list, or at l
Today we've noticed that messages we've approved aren't getting sent out by the
list, or at least they aren't being received by list members.
I sent a couple of test messages to the list, and they got sent out ok. What
could be happening that only allows unmoderated messages through?
There have
Lynx? If you mean some kind of customisation, I doubt there's any.
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-
> bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018 1:21 PM
> To: mail
have to try t deal with it.
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-
> bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org] On Behalf Of Lindsay Haisley
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018 1:37 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-
m...@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018 12:08 PM
> To: Peter Shute ; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Photos from Macs getting removed by list
> server
>
> On 01/22/2018 01:33 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> >
> > Perhap
s somehow being used to send out spam. It's my impression that in the
years before I had admin access, there have been periods when html was allowed,
but I have no idea of the reasons for the earlier changes.
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to create the emails. Has anyone else seen the same things?
Is there any easy fix for them?
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it's easy to see when and what changes have been made.
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riod
is there in the plain text section, but missing in the html section.
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Secu
or dealing with corporate policy toward
> mailbox use, but as Jamie points out, if there's a court
> involved, anything can be subpoena'ed.
True. I was thinking more along the lines of someone taking an unofficial peek
at a few ma
Stephen J. wrote:
>
> > Thanks, I think we're safe from all those methods, but I also think
> > it would be safer to leave the name blank, just in case something
> > changes.
>
> You are right about safer, but note that at least one Mailman
> developer (me) would consider inadvertantly exposin
Thanks, I think we're safe from all those methods, but I also think it would be
safer to leave the name blank, just in case something changes.
Peter Shute
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> On 14 Jun 2015, at 9:49 am, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> On 06/13/2015 02:04 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
>
I've had a request to join our list under a false name. If I enter their real
name in the Member Name field so I can tell who they are, who else can ever see
that? The member controls the display name used in list messages, don't they?
Peter Shute
Sent fr
Thanks to you both for your input on this. It'll be interesting to see whether
they persist with this mail format.
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
>
all three Mime
sections through?
It's being discussed here, and someone has posted a sample of the format:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7039218?start=15&tstart=0
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Yes, it was the scrub_nondigest setting, which we experimented with a long time
ago and forgot about.
Thanks,
Peter Shute
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> On 10 May 2015, at 10:26 am, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> On 05/09/2015 03:03 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
>> We're experimenting with all
es? I don't
want to experiment with that unnecessarily because this is a live list, and I
don't have a non production list to play with.
Peter Shute
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Begin forwarded message:
From: Peter Shute mailto:psh...@nuw.org.au>>
Date: 10 May 2015 7:53:41 am AES
to be any security on removing the flag - it's only
to prevent accidents.
It's happened several times on our list that one moderator has emailed the rest
of us about a message, while simultaneously another moderator has approved it.
Peter Shute
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> On 3 Apr 2015, at
Andrew Stuart wrote:
> What's on your wishlist for the perfect Mailman web interface?
It would be helpful to me if it somehow allowed an iOS browser to stay logged
in. I haven't found one that will - something to do with cookies expiring when
the app is in the background, I think.
t, HTML and Rich text as formatting options, so I
assume the Rich text they're talking about might actually be RTF.
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Structured Text formatting commands, which
have the advantage that they're still intelligible in plain text.
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gest in a readable way.
So this is normal behaviour for these clients? I wouldn't see anything
different if those settings I mentioned were different? I'm still pleasantly
surprised that changing the Plain setting lets me access the digest as well as
this.
Peter Shute
-
've only been using email since
quoting became a common feature, so I never saw this before and after effect.
Have you seen a reduction in this "dressing down" style of reply since
top-posting became common?
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e
to have the rules running server-side, so many users still don't even know it's
possible. So they panic and either:
- unsubscribe
- reply to the list demanding that people stop talking about this off topic
subject
- change to digest mode
Peter Shute
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ount through the attachements to find the right one. Is this
normal? Perhaps this is something to do with convert_html_to_plaintext being
set to On? We also have mime_is_default_digest set to Plain.
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lines down the left side and different coloured
text, in an html editor that doesn't work properly, and which turns it all to
mush if I convert to plain text because of line wrapping problems, it's easy to
become discouraged.
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> On 20 Mar 2015, at 6:20 pm, jdd wrote:
>
> Le 20/03/2015 08:16, Peter Shute a écrit :
>
>> Getting off the subject, do you mean selecting quoted text, or any
>> text? I've never used an Android device, and I assumed that this kind
>> of basic task would b
early impossible :-((
Getting off the subject, do you mean selecting quoted text, or any text? I've
never used an Android device, and I assumed that this kind of basic task would
be easier than on an iPhone. Perhaps not.
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s people being able to understand
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gt; Do you mean where the new content is at the start of the
> message (usually called "top-posting") or where the
> quoted/original material is at the start (usually
> "bottom-posting" or "inter-posting")?
Yes, I meant top-posting, not top
ng, but often people have little choice.
I agree with the other reply that said people are tending towards top quoting
more and more. Many people simply top quote as encouraged by their mail client,
and haven't considered that there's any other way. Often people only read the
reply a
You can also keep the unsubscribe notification emails. I don't think I've got
access to the logs with cpanel, so that's all I can do. Doesn't help you if you
want historical data and haven't kept them.
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman
27;t have the unsubscribe link, so that explains why it hasn't happen with
those.
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2015 9:
months, I assume it must be the latter.
It doesn't matter, but I'm curious about what would motivate someone to do
that. Did anyone else get one recently? I've never had one for any other lists
I'm on.
Peter Shute
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From: Mailman-Users [mai
Version 2.1.14 is pre DMARC, isn't it? Are you aware of the problems yahoo.com
and aol.com list members can cause with bounces these days, Rene?
Peter Shute
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> On 14 Feb 2015, at 3:47 am, Tapia, Rene wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> A while back I replaced our
is.
A lot of people use the cPanel version and can't do anything complicated for
support. Even though this particular case is about trying to help a difficult
user to do something that's normally straightforward that's probably pointless
anyway, I hope v3 a
If he can't get that to work, perhaps you could schedule a script to run it
yourself and email him the results, say once a week.
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
> On 22 Jan 2015, at 3:42 am, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> And, you could send him an email with a
> <mailto:LISTNAME
t;2. If the user clicks on the digest message, it is opened as a
>folder, not as a message.
I don't understand what you mean there.
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ve divided the lists I am subscribed to in two categories and so have
> just two folders, one per category.
Personally I move all list mail to a folder per list. I've never thought of
mixing mail from different lists, but that is an idea worth thinking about. It
would simplify things g
ails into a folder on arrival
instead of using digest mode? Or doesn't Alpine support that kind of thing?
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B, not the number
of messages in it, but it might work if the size of the messages doesn't vary
much.
If you keep archives, another alternative might be to create a script to send
daily archive links to them. They'd have to work out which messages were new,
but it might work fo
ed? And are you sure every single AOL address was
affected?
Peter Shute
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> On 13 Dec 2014, at 4:33 am, joseph cook wrote:
>
> This morning all of my subscribers with aol addresses were automatically
> unsubscribed from my list.
>
> Why today? I thought all the
s in the
> delivered message.
If all non text attachments get archived with this setting, do the html
versions of messages get archived too? Do you also find the little graphics
some people use in their signatures getting archived?
Peter Shute
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.
If it's only a few people then a cc list can work ok, but it can be near
impossible to set up usable message rules.
Peter Shute
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> On 3 Dec 2014, at 1:39 pm, Barry S. Finkel wrote:
>
>> On 12/2/2014 6:05 PM, r...@rexgoode.com wrote:
>> I have b
Sorry, I forgot to Cc the list.
-Original Message-
From: Peter Shute
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2014 12:49 PM
To: 'Mark Sapiro'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Spamassassin content preview ending up posted to
list
The dot was missing in the X-Ham-Report header but not in the me
X-Ham-Report header which I think spamassassin has inserted. This header has
multiple lines, including blank lines, and I'm wondering if it's confusing
mailman.
Has anyone else seen this, and is there a way to stop it happening?
P
Are these images attachments of the emails, or are they just linked into the
html from elsewhere? If the latter, have you looked at the html to see if there
are errors in it?
Peter Shute
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> On 31 Oct 2014, at 8:35 am, James Nightly wrote:
>
> I tried disabl
.
I also can't see it working to let the sender choose how their emails will be
treated. There are so many side effects of each different treatment, and the
user is only able to test the results with their own mail client. They'll
inevitably choos
so bad. If you moderate one then you'd have to remember to
moderate them all.
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
> On 16 Oct 2014, at 9:10 am, "Marino Pascal" wrote:
>
> Long time lurker, first time poster.
>
> I have subscribers who subscribed with u...@mac.com and t
hoo Groups is that a moderator can tick a
> checkbox when writing a Special Announcement on Yahoo's web UI.
Do you ever send special announcements? I'd be tempted to just set those people
to no mail.
Peter Shute
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That's progress for you.
Sent from my iPad
> On 19 Sep 2014, at 5:52 pm, "christian studer" wrote:
>
> FYI: The app now breaks completely on iOS 8. :-(
>
> Bye,
> christian
>
> 2014-09-14 13:22 GMT+02:00 christian studer :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm maintaining and moderating a couple of Mailma
Is it possible that somehow you're using the moderator page for the wrong list,
ie they're still awaiting moderation?
Peter Shute
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> On 19 Sep 2014, at 2:07 am, "Shannon Doane"
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I recently had my email lists migr
Could it be that these people are subscribed under other email addresses, which
they've set to forward to their current one? You could try searching for
similar looking addresses.
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+
sword, even if it is convoluted.
I wonder if a better way to make Mailman more accessible on either iphone or
ipad would be to create a browser with password saving and just rearranging the
existing pages with style sheets, it that's possible.
Peter Shute
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> On 15 Sep
x27;ve
followed the advice in 1. then 2. shouldn't be necessary. That's what we've
done, and it's working ok.
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emplate to
> not include the "Discard all messages marked Defer" options.
Wouldn't removing that option make it even more likely for a moderator to
approve more than they should? I.e. it's harder to clear them all out, so they
have to be done one by one.
Peter Shute
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So no bouncing? That's good, it means our Yahoo/AOL subscribers can't do any
damage, and have another reason to change addresses. I haven't tried the
wrapping option, but I'm not keen on it because of anticipated client issues
with them.
Peter Shute
> -Original Mes
onsistent Reply
All behaviour of some mail clients.
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a shared mail server. Is this mail server your own? And our
members are with random mail providers. Are the list members all on the same
domain?
Peter Shute
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> On 19 Aug 2014, at 11:40 pm, "Kevin Carpenter" wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Been casually fighti
emails. It continued to display the Contact name of the list in the mail list.
It wasn't until I added an x in front of the address that it also displayed the
sender's display name in the mail list.
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te, so
> I can't recommend making such a rationale public. ;-)
Very few of our yahoo/aol members ever post. Lots of those who did have already
changed to gmail when we asked, but a couple remain. If they still won't change
then they'll have to put up with this.
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
> Peter Shute writes:
>
> > We're now on a new list server, which is running v2.1.18-1. We've
> > set from_is_list to munged, and it's now sending list messages from
> > the list, and putting the original sen
Further unwanted Reply All behaviour - a Lotus Notes user says when he sends a
reply with Reply All, the list bounce address is Cc'd. It does include the list
address too, which is good.
Can it cause any problems to Cc the list bounce address?
Peter Shute
> -Original Message
.
Is there a fix? Which other variables affect this?
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2014 3:54 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
>
Thanks for that, I'll give that a try.
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2014 11:52 AM
> To: Peter Shute; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Scrub_nondigest removing html
> mes
t; [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2014 10:01 AM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Scrub_nondigest removing html
> message text
>
> On 08/12/2014 03:33 PM, Pe
ay to prevent scrub_nondigest removing these message parts? Is
there a way to at least stop the angle brackets getting converted to codes?
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e more bounces when we sent
mail. Fixed by setting up reverse lookup for the sending address.
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rking fine.
Because different recipient servers respond differently to wrongly configured
DNS, it might just be coincidence that the other list isn't having the same
trouble. It might also be that it is having the same trouble, but with
I'm glad to hear that, although I think I'll have to try it to get my head
around it.
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
> On 22 Jul 2014, at 3:54 pm, "Mark Sapiro" wrote:
>
>> On 07/21/2014 06:50 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
>>
>> That was my impression too
are from a different
> country, they may very well *not* have "p=reject" policies. Eg:
I did recently realise they weren't all affected, but most of our yahoo users
are on yahoo.com.
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sts
> *from domains with a "p=reject"
> DMARC policy* (requires an additional Python package to make
> the DNS check for the policy).
That was my impression too. It sounds less disruptive, but I wonder if the
resulting variability of behaviour of Reply and Reply all would just
Thanks, Dave. How are you coping with yahoo emails if you've only got 2.1.17? I
can't remember what changes it's got in it, but I thought the latest dealt with
it better.
Peter Shute
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> On 22 Jul 2014, at 3:59 am, "Dave Nathanson" wrote:
>
lucky and they didn't apply them for a
long time. I think I'd have prefered if we'd known from the start. Time to
concentrate on moving to a new provider.
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htt
uce the
problem if lots of the members are on one domain? 50% of our members are with
just 5 domains.
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discussion lists page doesn't mention limits.
I assume when you mention not keeping mailman up to date, you're referring to
our current provider, not dreamhost?
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Carpenter [mailto:br...@emwd.com]
> Sent: Monday, 21 Jul
hs than a month.
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
> On 21 Jul 2014, at 1:35 am, "Dave Nathanson" wrote:
>
> I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a
> personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running
> Ma
ly start happening,
coinciding with an antispam signature update.
But if the antispam software is refusing the messages, how do they eventually
get through?
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
> On
ext
list message arrives.
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 12:59 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users]
..@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014 10:55 PM
> To: Peter Shute; GNU mailman users
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
>
> On July 14, 2014 4:29:16 AM PDT, Peter Shute
> wrote:
> >
> >Can I assume this has nothing to do with mailman?
>
ge?
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
> On 14 Jul 2014, at 9:44 pm, "Peter Shute" wrote:
>
> As a moderator of our list, I know when messages are approved, and I'm seeing
> very erratic delivery times to my own address, which is on an Exchange
> server. They used to
ddress come through within seconds.
Can I assume this has nothing to do with mailman?
Peter Shute
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Confusing things more is that not all Yahoo domains are set to p=reject. E.g.
Yahoo.com.au doesn't, but yahoo.com does. Are all your yahoo members on
yahoo.com?
Peter Shute
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> On 13 Jul 2014, at 7:10 am, "Steven Owens" wrote:
>
> I have some new data
Do you know if any of the reminders to Comcast addresses are getting through?
Peter Shute
> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert Heller
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2014 9:50 PM
>
>> On 24 Jun 2014, at 8:56 am, "Mark Sapiro" wrote:
>>
>> On 06/23/2014 01:03 AM, Peter Shute wrote:
>>
>> Any idea if we'll have access to that area in cPanel? I'm not the list
>> owner, I can't test it for myself.
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