[MlMt] limit the oldest message to be kept locally?

[Paula R. T. Coelho]

hey there,

i use MM in three different computers, office, home and laptop. in the 
laptop i’d like to limit the amount of space used by defining that, 
say, only messages 2 years back in time should be kept locally.


i’m *almost* sure i’ve seen this option somewhere in time, as a 
hidden preference? but i didn’t find it in the online manual for 
hidden preferences. was I dreaming?


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

[Bill Cole]

On 22 Sep 2016, at 5:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

[...]
The dangerous thing is that Google SMTP doesn't reject the message 
for being from an unknown account--it changes the headers.


I also consider that a bug, but I guess Google does not see it that 
way.


There are reasons that there is not much spam coming out of GMail 
servers but LOTS coming out of Yahoo and Microsoft. This is one of them: 
GMail "corrects" the From header and envelope sender address to match 
the authenticated sender. ISTR there is or was some way to add addresses 
(with a confirmation cycle) that would pass in the From header for an 
account, but the envelope sender would still be "corrected." Since the 
advent of DMARC, I would expect that feature to be gone (since DMARC 
deals with headers, not the envelope.)

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[MlMt] The lousy Counters UI (was Re: sound notifications in Sierra)

[Bill Cole]

On 22 Sep 2016, at 11:27, Ted Byfield wrote:

(In passing, that counter UI might be for confusing for users who are 
new and/or less willing/able to put the time in -- but I digress.)


Amen. This has been noted about a dozen times on this list in the past. 
I think Benny has agreed, but it really isn't obvious what else to do 
without proliferating Preference panes.


A slight improvement would be to have the MM icon in the middle of the 4 
radio buttons, so at least there's a stronger visual clue as to their 
function.



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Re: [MlMt] Invisible messages

[Bill Cole]

On 22 Sep 2016, at 4:28, Jean-Pierre Gattuso wrote:

Yesterday, at home, I moved messages to an “archive” folder on my 
IMAP account. Today, at work, these messages are not displayed in the 
same “archive” folder by MailMate but are displayed on the web 
mail. How can I get these messages on my work version of Mailmate? I 
use Version 1.9.5 (5263) on OSX 10.11.6.


[Note: the names/labels of various commands and UI components used below 
are the English ones. If you are using a French localization of MailMate 
you will need to translate them, as your command of English is clearly 
MUCH better than my trivial knowledge of French]


I'm not certain what the source of the problem is, but there are 3 
things that I can think of that could cause this:


1. The "archive" folder is not synchronized on your work machine. You 
can either find it in the folder hierarchy of the IMAP account in the 
Sources section of the MailMate mailbox list and synchronize it 
specifically (in the contextual menu or under the regular Mailbox menu)  
or use the menu File->Synchronize->All Sources to synchronize 
everything. If it fails to get synchronized regularly, the root cause 
could be that it is be set to synchronize only manually, which you can 
fix by selecting it and using the "Synchronization Schedule" submenu of 
the Mailbox or contextual menu.


2. The "archive" folder is not understood by MailMate on your work 
machine to be THE Archive folder (a single special-purpose folder) for 
that account, and you are looking at the Archive->AccountName folder in 
the Mailboxes section of MailMate's  mailbox list, which is some other 
folder in that account. To tell MailMate that a specific IMAP folder 
should be treated as one of the 5 special-purpose folders recognized by 
MailMate, select the folder in the Sources section of the mailbox list 
and use the Mailbox Type submenu of the contextual or Mailbox menu.


3. You are not subscribed to the "archive" folder on your work machine. 
Select the account in the Sources section of the MailMate mailbox list 
and use the "Edit IMAP Account" option from the contextual or Mailbox 
menu to open the IMAP Account Settings window. In the center section of 
that window there is an "Edit Subscriptions..." button that opens a 
panel listing all of the folders in the IMAP account and their 
subscription states, both in the server's subscription list and in 
MailMate's own internal list that governs which folders you actually see 
(and which get synchronized) in the Sources section of the MailMate 
mailbox list. This seems to me to be an unlikely cause, since an 
unsubscribed folder would not be missing messages, it would be be 
entirely absent.

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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

[Helen Holzgrafe]

Hi,

Don't know how to contact you offline. But, this reproduces the bug 
every time for me:


Use website: www.123stitch.com (this is a commercial website for 
needlework supplies in the us).

at the top of the page click on the link "contact us".
it will open a mail message window in  Mailmate.  You can put some 
garbage in the title or body of the message or not as you like.
Save this mailmate message window as a draft and see it save into the 
drafts folder of the first account you have alphabetically rather that 
the one listed as the "From:" in the window.


This should do it for you every time. Just please be nice to the 
non-tech savvy lady who runs this site and don't send her a bunch of 
junk messages by accident.


-Helen

On 22 Sep 2016, at 3:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 11:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

Bingo! That's exactly it. I did click on a mailto to generate that 
message, and the account that it sent from is the first in my list 
(at least according to the Activity Monitor).


Before this thread I had gotten a single report about this issue, but 
I couldn't reproduce it. This is likely the hint I needed. I'll look 
into fixing it.


I'm still having trouble reproducing this issue. If one of you can 
reproduce the issue then please contact me off list for some 
debugging.


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Re: [MlMt] sound notifications in Sierra

[Ted Byfield]

Ah, yes, forgot to mention that as well. I had the same problem with 
Sierra turning on UI sound effects, and I quickly turned them off. Not 
sure why, but I had also set the volume slide for "blow" to zero (and 
that one keeps going in Mailmate), whereas I hadn't done that to "glass" 
(which had stopped after some fiddling around).


Three separate UIs for turning off sound notifications, bleh -- feels 
like Windows back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.


But thank you for the tip -- it feels like a hack, but it worked. 

Cheers,
T

On 22 Sep 2016, at 12:05, Paul Sture wrote:

FWIW I was running with all alert sounds switched off in System 
Preferences, and the upgrade to Sierra switched them back on.


To restore my pre-upgrade settings, System Preferences -> Sound -> 
Sound Effects, then


* move the Alert volume slider completely to the left
* uncheck "Play user interface sound effects"

On 22 Sep 2016, at 17:27, Ted Byfield wrote:

With the update to "macOS"  Sierra, Mailmate (v 1.9.5 - 5263 and 
then 5268) has started giving sound notifications -- first "glass" 
and then "blow," I think. I've turned them off in two places:


	* System Prefs > Notifications > Mailmate (alert style - none, and 
all checkboxes unchecked), and
	* Mailmate prefs > Counters > Sound pulldown -- x4, one for each 
corner, all are set to "none"


(In passing, that counter UI might be for confusing for users who are 
new and/or less willing/able to put the time in -- but I digress.)


I've also restarted Mailmate, rebooted, etc but my preference don't 
seem to stick completely -- "glass" (or whatever) has gone away but 
"blow" remains," even for messages that are set to mark as "read when 
I filter them.


Any suggestions about how to make it stop would be warmly welcome. 
Thanks!


Cheers,
T
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Re: [MlMt] sound notifications in Sierra

[Paul Sture]

FWIW I was running with all alert sounds switched off in System 
Preferences, and the upgrade to Sierra switched them back on.


To restore my pre-upgrade settings, System Preferences -> Sound -> Sound 
Effects, then


* move the Alert volume slider completely to the left
* uncheck "Play user interface sound effects"


On 22 Sep 2016, at 17:27, Ted Byfield wrote:

With the update to "macOS"  Sierra, Mailmate (v 1.9.5 - 5263 and 
then 5268) has started giving sound notifications -- first "glass" and 
then "blow," I think. I've turned them off in two places:


	* System Prefs > Notifications > Mailmate (alert style - none, and 
all checkboxes unchecked), and
	* Mailmate prefs > Counters > Sound pulldown -- x4, one for each 
corner, all are set to "none"


(In passing, that counter UI might be for confusing for users who are 
new and/or less willing/able to put the time in -- but I digress.)


I've also restarted Mailmate, rebooted, etc but my preference don't 
seem to stick completely -- "glass" (or whatever) has gone away but 
"blow" remains," even for messages that are set to mark as "read when 
I filter them.


Any suggestions about how to make it stop would be warmly welcome. 
Thanks!


Cheers,
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[MlMt] sound notifications in Sierra

[Ted Byfield]

With the update to "macOS"  Sierra, Mailmate (v 1.9.5 - 5263 and 
then 5268) has started giving sound notifications -- first "glass" and 
then "blow," I think. I've turned them off in two places:


	* System Prefs > Notifications > Mailmate (alert style - none, and all 
checkboxes unchecked), and
	* Mailmate prefs > Counters > Sound pulldown -- x4, one for each 
corner, all are set to "none"


(In passing, that counter UI might be for confusing for users who are 
new and/or less willing/able to put the time in -- but I digress.)


I've also restarted Mailmate, rebooted, etc but my preference don't seem 
to stick completely -- "glass" (or whatever) has gone away but "blow" 
remains," even for messages that are set to mark as "read when I filter 
them.


Any suggestions about how to make it stop would be warmly welcome. 
Thanks!


Cheers,
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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 22 Sep 2016, at 11:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

Bingo! That's exactly it. I did click on a mailto to generate that 
message, and the account that it sent from is the first in my list 
(at least according to the Activity Monitor).


Before this thread I had gotten a single report about this issue, but 
I couldn't reproduce it. This is likely the hint I needed. I'll look 
into fixing it.


I'm still having trouble reproducing this issue. If one of you can 
reproduce the issue then please contact me off list for some debugging.


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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 22 Sep 2016, at 6:56, Kee Hinckley wrote:

Bingo! That's exactly it. I did click on a mailto to generate that 
message, and the account that it sent from is the first in my list (at 
least according to the Activity Monitor).


Before this thread I had gotten a single report about this issue, but I 
couldn't reproduce it. This is likely the hint I needed. I'll look into 
fixing it.


The dangerous thing is that Google SMTP doesn't reject the message for 
being from an unknown account--it changes the headers.


I also consider that a bug, but I guess Google does not see it that way.

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[MlMt] Invisible messages

[Jean-Pierre Gattuso]

Yesterday, at home, I moved messages to an “archive” folder on my 
IMAP account. Today, at work, these messages are not displayed in the 
same “archive” folder by MailMate but are displayed on the web mail. 
How can I get these messages on my work version of Mailmate? I use 
Version 1.9.5 (5263) on OSX 10.11.6.


Thanks,
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[MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox

[Olivier Bedouelle]

Hi

I use Inbox on my iPhone to my emails. I find this practice to see if a 
particular message is completed.


When I put the message "done », MailMate on my computer is not going 
to get him.


Do you know how I can synchronize the completed messages?

Cordially

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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

[Helen Holzgrafe]

I had that happen recently also. I am running 5260. Mine ended up stuck 
in drafts because the account it tried to send from is an in-only 
mailbox and not set up to send out. I had to move the message from that 
account's drafts folder to the drafts folder for the actual account that 
was supposed to send it. Then, it worked fine.


The only odd thing about that message was that the window for it was 
opened via a website from a "contact us" type link. The message window 
"From: section" showed the correct outgoing account, but mailmate 
actually sent from another one.  In fact, it sent it from the one that 
is first by alphabet.  i.e.: it said From: b...@c.com, but was sent from 
a...@c.com.


And here I thought I was crazy...

-Helen

On 21 Sep 2016, at 14:28, Kee Hinckley wrote:


I sent the following message:

```
From: "Kee Hinckley" 
To: metadatasupp...@tivo.com
Subject: The 16x9 Series Image for "Difficult People" does not include 
the

 title text
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:37:26 -0700
Message-ID: <225b4f26-6097-4da6-9abd-8fa7d813b...@tivo.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_MailMate_AC3B2727-7876-41A9-A2F9-BAB06F89D205_="
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6056)

```

But it didn't go out via my TiVo account. The next day when I was 
wondering why I didn't get a reply, I discovered it in the outbox for 
one of my Google accounts, not in my TiVo outbox. And when I talked to 
the folks I sent it to, they confirmed that they received it from the 
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