[MlMt] filter out mails that are in a mailbox or any subfolder?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Is $subject possible?

I have a `sites/` folder with lots of subfolders like 
`sites/stackoverflow`, `sites/whatever` and would like to exclude them 
from my Unread filter.


Any way to do that without having to manually exclude each new 
subfolder?


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[MlMt] avoid quoting making fixed width reply?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I got a few complaints about how mailmate handles quoting.

It adds quote character for every line based on my screen not the 
receivers.


i.e. if I receive

```
Here is my great message with a lot of text that is so wide that it 
overwraps. All to make it look nice. And wordy.

```

and then reply the email mailmate does this:

```

Here is my great message with a lot of text that is so wide
that it overwraps. All to make it look nice.


This is my reply


And wordy.

```

is it possible to have it do this instead (assuming there are no forced 
line breaks):


```
Here is my great message with a lot of text that is so wide that it 
overwraps. All to make it look nice.


This is my reply


And wordy.

```

Then its up to the mail viewer on the reader's end to format it to the 
width of their screen.


possible or am talking crazy?

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[MlMt] selectFirstMessageRow not working?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I have this in my keybinding:

`	  "N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");	`


It does select the next counted mailbox but it does not select the first 
message row.


I do have a `mainOutline` defined in my threaded layout:

```
{
identifier = "mainOutline";
viewerType = "MmMessagesOutlineView";
// columnSettings = "outlineColumns";
		// Keeps selected messages in the view even if they no longer match 
the main query
		// sources = ( { sourceIdentifier = "mainOutline"; }, { 
sourceIdentifier = "pathControl"; } );

sources = ( { sourceIdentifier = "pathControl"; } );
minHeight = 50;
},
```

Anyone know if syntax for this might have changed in recent months?

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[MlMt] option to keep headers when scrolling?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

Is there an option available somewhere to have the headers 
(to/cc/subject) *stay put* when scrolling up in message view?


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Re: [MlMt] Grammarly

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

FYI, I downloaded Grammarly's new desktop app and
it now works with Mailmate!


Thank you Max, I will look into this!


On 12 Nov 2020, at 21:57, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


grammarly has no public API's so it is not directly feasible.

what you can do though is see if you can use vscode for editing mail 
as it actually has a plugin
that uses a unofficial api - 
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=znck.grammarly


/max


I’d like to second that request.

Does this seem possible at all?

Best,

martin

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I wanted to share a request for the integration of Grammarly 
(grammarly.com) with MailMate as Bundle—don’t know if it’s 
even doable.


Grammarly is an amazing writing app that works with Google Docs, MS 
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Re: [MlMt] Where is send later email?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

there is a Outbound folder that has all unsent.


Hi

I consistently get a message when I want to quit MM that I have one 
message waiting to be sent. I can’t find it. It’s not in drafts. 
Where is it? How do I get rid of the message?  I could simply send it 
- but not knowing what it is and that it is 7 months old I’m leery 
of doing that.


Thanks for help.
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Re: [MlMt] Follow Up to Email Concerns

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

If it helps you I work for Fortune 500 company which uses gmail with 2 
factor authentication and we are using IMAP with gmail just fine.


from time to time mail mate pops up asking me to reauthenticate.

I don't see how 2FA changes the security implications here.

what they could argue is that it is possible to read the email because 
it is now available locally on your laptop - but if someone has access 
to your laptop lots of other bad things can happen :)


/max



I had written earlier that my email provider (the university from 
which I retired) stopped using IMAP, which would rule out use of 
MailMate. They also stopped having a "Forward all mail" option so I 
cannot move my mail to an IMAP-enabled site. I've complained, and the 
response is below. I switched (with great difficulty) to gmail, which 
of course uses IMAP and allows me to continue my love affair with 
MailMate.


It seems that a prime alleged reason for their change is that IMAP 
does not support 2-Factor authentication. Do any of you experts have 
knowledge whether that claim is true and really limits security?


They are now implementing 2FA using a seemingly complicated system 
called Duo. Anybody know about that type of 2FA?


The university's reply is below if you are interested and willing to 
read the claims. What I **DO** know is that the university replaced 
its standard IMAP/SMTP server with Microsoft's proprietary ActiveSync.


Beware, this might be an indicator of the future… Yikes!

Harvey Leff
Portland, Oregon USA
~ ~ ~




Higher education institutions are a top target for cyber criminals 
who are attracted to our thousands of identities (faculty staff, 
student and emeritus), as well as research data.  Stolen or 
compromised account credentials are a contributing factor to phishing 
scams, as well as malicious data, system breaches, and identity 
theft.  The campus continues to improve security to address cyber 
risks, including securing our Bronco accounts and their credentials.


We have taken steps to improve the security of our accounts, which 
includes disabling insecure settings, and adding 2-Step 
Authentication.  These actions are required due to updates planned by 
Microsoft in late 2021.


  *   As you are aware, on February 1, 2021,  CPP disabled Office 365 
email settings for IMAP, SMTP, and POP per security recommendations.  
POP and IMAP are considered less secure due to their lack of 
authentication security, including lack of support for 2-Step 
Authentication.  Applications using more secure authentication 
methods are now required to improve email security and reduce the 
risk of compromised accounts.  Suggested email applications include 
Office 365 web 
application 
, Outlook desktop 
application 
, the Outlook mobile 
application 
(for IOS or Android), or Mac Mail.


  *   The campus has implemented 2-Step Authentication as an 
additional layer of security for our Bronco Accounts . Emeritus are 
required to enroll in 2-Step Authentication by July 6, 2021 to avoid 
any access interruption.  After July 6, 2-Step Authentication will be 
required for emeritus to access campus services, including email. 
2-Step enrollment information has been provided to emeritus who have 
not yet enrolled and is also on our website:  
https://www.cpp.edu/it/2step/.  Three (3) options are available for 
2-Step Authentication:  a smartphone app, a call back number or 
request a hardware 
token 
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Re: [MlMt] Key bindings

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 15 Jun 2021, at 7:25, Jean-Pierre Gattuso wrote:


The help says:

“It is also possible to create new key bindings files in the 
following folder location:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/“

Yet, there is no “Resources” folder in my system (MacOS 11.4, MM 
Version 1.14 (5798).


you simply create the directory.

`mkdir -p ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/`

and put your plist file in there.

Here is mine for reference:


```plist
{
// Mark all read in mailbox
  "T" = ( "selectThread:", "setTag:", "\\Seen");


	  "N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");	
	  "P" = ("selectPreviousCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");


   // "N" = ("removeFilterKey:", "unread", 
"collapseAll:","selectNextCountedMailbox:", "setFilterKey:", "unread", 
"makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", "selectFirstMessageRow:");
//"m" = ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", 
"selectFirstMessageRow:" );
"," = ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", 
"nextUnreadMessage:", "centerSelectionInVisibleArea:");

//"." = ( "deleteMessage:");
"i" = ( "removeFilterKey:", "unread", 
"restoreMailboxExpansions:", "makeFirstResponder:", "mailboxesOutline", 
"goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "selectPreviousMailbox:", "selectNextMailbox:", 
"makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", "removeFilterKey:", "unread");

"M" = ("markAllAsRead:");

  "S" = ("selectThread:", "toggleFlag:" );


"/" = ("searchAllMessages:");

"w" = ( "performBundleItemWithUUID:" , 
"BEF7B322-839A-4835-8875-23A0A0A3E363");


  // g,g jumps to first message in message list
  // G jumps to last message in list

  ";" = {
		";" = ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", 
"selectFirstMessageRow:");
		"M" = ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", 
"selectLastMessageRow:");

"f" = "goToMailbox:";
};

  "'" = ( "nextMode:" );


  "f" =  {
  "f" = ( "toggleTag:", "fix" );
  "w" = ( "toggleTag:", "waiting" );
  "r" = ( "toggleTag:", "reference" );
  "l" = ( "toggleTag:", "readlater" );
   };

"x" = ( "toggleFilterKey:", "unread", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline", "selectFirstMessageRow:");



}
```

I save that in `~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/max.plist`

and then put "max" in front of the keybinding field in preferences.

/max



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[MlMt] have the headers stay on top when scrolling?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

Have I forgotten something or wasn't there a time when the headers 
(from/to/subject) *stayed* in place when scrolling ?


Just noticed that when reading a bunch of messages longer than  screen I 
now have to scroll backup to see who the author is...

that wasn't always the case was it ?

...any way to get that feature back or added ? :)

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Re: [MlMt] Grammarly

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

grammarly has no public API's so it is not directly feasible.

what you can do though is see if you can use vscode for editing mail as 
it actually has a plugin
that uses a unofficial api - 
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=znck.grammarly


/max


I’d like to second that request.

Does this seem possible at all?

Best,

martin

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I wanted to share a request for the integration of Grammarly 
(grammarly.com) with MailMate as Bundle—don’t know if it’s even 
doable.


Grammarly is an amazing writing app that works with Google Docs, MS 
Word, Gmail, etc and helps improve my writing, and makes it error 
free.





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Re: [MlMt] Posting to this list

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I'll just be rebellious and top post and say thanks for letting me know 
I could move the signature to the bottom!


Was getting so tired of having to confirm to delete signature. Thank 
you.


And yet, AFAIK MailMate has no support for bottom-posting replies 
in the composer window, which is frustrating.




And yet, it does.  It is not in the obvious place, which would be 
the Composer pane.


In the Signatures pane, there's a "Caret placement" menu and  
"Default signature placement" radio buttons. If the latter is set to 
"Bottom" and the former is set to "Above Signature," then in a reply 
you get quoted text above the insertion point and the signature (if 
any) below that.


So after just posting that this isn't working at all for me, I tried 
clicking the "Reset Signature Usage History" button in the Signatures 
pane, and voila!, it works now.


Thanks.


I have to say that, even after staring at the UI in the Signature pane 
more than once, I simply had no idea that this was an option. I’m 
very glad to have learned. Thanks, Bill!


The combination of the 2 radio buttons for Default signature placement 
and the 3-item menu for Caret placement is not intuitive (at least for 
me). A panel with 6 diagrams, one for each of the possible 
combinations, would work better for my brain.


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Re: [MlMt] Grammarly

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

grammarly unfortunately don't offer any API's mailmate can use afaik 
(https://support.grammarly.com/hc/en-us/articles/360046352591-Can-I-use-Grammarly-API-).


The integration in those apps below are done by grammarly afaik using 
either html/javascript tricks or that specific apps notion of plugins.


So you would need to somehow convince grammarly to add support for 
mailmate or even just osx native apps in general.


/max

On 15 Oct 2020, at 18:56, Evan Silberman wrote:

I wanted to share a request for the integration of Grammarly 
(grammarly.com) with MailMate as Bundle—don’t know if it’s even 
doable.


Grammarly is an amazing writing app that works with Google Docs, MS 
Word, Gmail, etc and helps improve my writing, and makes it error 
free.





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Re: [MlMt] can no llonger paste into compose window

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

so - i now conformed that its when I copy from URL field in opera that 
things does not paste.
I can see in launchbar that it is not just text but a entry of type URL. 
This worked in the old editor.


/max

On 7 Sep 2020, at 11:34, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 4 Sep 2020, at 15:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Where do you copy from? Maybe it's related to exactly what's on the 
pasteboard.


I recently hit the problem with copying directly from MS Word to 
MailMate leading to a bitmap being inserted. I don't use Word a lot 
but I'm pretty I didn't use to have the same problem. Workaround is to 
paste into a text editor, which means something else must also be on 
the pasteboard. Currently not using a machine with MS Word installed 
but I'll try and draft a replicable issue.


Charlie

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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Yes. It’s a token and your Mail provider gives you ability to review and revoke 
tokens.

Exactly the same goes for Mailmate.

/max
On 7 Sep 2020, 02:22 +0200, Charlie Garrison , 
wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2020, at 21:33, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> > When using Gmail and other oauth based services they don’t get the password 
> > just a token for that specific account thus I find this very hard to 
> > believe.
> They store "credentials" on their servers; whether that string is a password 
> or a token is irrelevant to me; they had direct access to my mailboxes with 
> those creds. Are you able to revoke the token they have stored on their 
> servers? At least the password is something you can change (to revoke access).
> -cng
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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

When using Gmail and other oauth based services they don’t get the password 
just a token for that specific account thus I find this very hard to believe.

/max
On 6 Sep 2020, 04:46 +0200, Charlie Garrison , 
wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2020, at 3:20, Antonio Leding wrote:
> > If you have a different interpretation or know where I missed it, please 
> > share… :=)
> Yes, I have a different interpretation, based on my experience using Spark a 
> few years ago. Their docs don't clarify whether anything has changed; I 
> suspect it hasn't. When I reported the "breach" to them at the time; they 
> clearly stated the passwords were kept on their servers, and the account they 
> were accessing (on my behalf) was a bug and that shouldn't have happened. It 
> would have been impossible to happen had they not "stolen" email creds.
> Unless they have changed, Spark keeps creds on their servers and not just in 
> IMAP client. Reading between the lines of their docs; their servers access 
> your mailboxes directly (not just via iOS app), which is how they know when 
> to send push notifications.
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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Have you attempted to contact the Preside developer? I've found that 
he's incredibly helpful and replies quickly.


yes and he is helpful and i bought preside to just support him - but he 
said the only thing I could was to just keep preside open...but iOS 
closes it automatically after 10 minutes thus it just has no chance to 
get my mailbox in any meaningful time frame.


/max


On Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 06:28 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

Preside is very powerful but totally fails on large inboxes (I have 
1.000.000+ messages). I gave it 2 weeks to try and stop fetching new 
messages but never completed.

It never managed to show new messages consistently because of this.

In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and 
does not choke on the big inbox.


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On 4 Sep 2020, at 4:04, Antonio Leding wrote:


Hello all,

I know this is a bit off-topic but due to the plethora of knowledge 
and talent in this user community, I think this is a great place to 
ask the following…


First off, I predict Mailmate users who happen to also use 
iOS-powered mobile devices would want to avoid using Apple’s iOS 
mail client.


On that note, the two apps I found are Preside and AltaMail.  In 
looking at both, I much prefer Preside but would like to know any 
thoughts you all might have.


Thanks in advance for any feedback…
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Re: [MlMt] can no llonger paste into compose window

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 3 Sep 2020, at 23:48, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

I actually for a few minutes thought I was fine after upgrading - all 
worked...but now it doesn't.


Where do you copy from? Maybe it's related to exactly what's on the 
pasteboard.


Not sure if always that source but I normally copy stuff from Opera 
browser.



paste in compose window gives nothing if copied from outside 
mailmate.


If I copy inside mail mate compose window it can paste just fine.

its as if external stuff can't get into the compose view - but fine 
in the cc/subject/send later fields.


My guess is that the main text field somehow fails to detect that 
there's text on the pasteboard. This should most likely depend on the 
source of the text, but I cannot seem to reproduce it, e.g., I can 
paste text from Safari.


I can sometimes paste ...but it seem to eventually stop.


You do not have a custom layout for the Composer, right?


not sure...i think its mainly the three views and mail view I've 
tinkered with. how do I check ? - I've modified the config quite a 
different ways over the year :)


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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Preside is very powerful but totally fails on large inboxes (I have 
1.000.000+ messages). I gave it 2 weeks to try and stop fetching new 
messages but never completed.

It never managed to show new messages consistently because of this.

In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and 
does not choke on the big inbox.


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On 4 Sep 2020, at 4:04, Antonio Leding wrote:


Hello all,

I know this is a bit off-topic but due to the plethora of knowledge 
and talent in this user community, I think this is a great place to 
ask the following…


First off, I predict Mailmate users who happen to also use iOS-powered 
mobile devices would want to avoid using Apple’s iOS mail client.


On that note, the two apps I found are Preside and AltaMail.  In 
looking at both, I much prefer Preside but would like to know any 
thoughts you all might have.


Thanks in advance for any feedback…
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Re: [MlMt] can no llonger paste into compose window

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

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On 3 Sep 2020, at 12:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 3 Sep 2020, at 11:36, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


I can no longer paste into the compose view - quite annoying ;)

paste works fine in to/cc/subject etc. but not in the body of the 
message.


That's not a known issue in the test releases. See if you get any 
error messages if you launch from a Terminal window:


/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate

Send the result via “Help ▸ Send Feedback”.


No errors shows.

I actually for a few minutes thought I was fine after upgrading - all 
worked...but now it doesn't.


paste in compose window gives nothing if copied from outside mailmate.

If I copy inside mail mate compose window it can paste just fine.

its as if external stuff can't get into the compose view - but fine in 
the cc/subject/send later fields.


/max


In general, I recommend test release users to upgrade to r5713 
([release 
notes](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes)).


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[MlMt] can no llonger paste into compose window

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I can no longer paste into the compose view - quite annoying ;)

paste works fine in to/cc/subject etc. but not in the body of the message.

Any chance of fixing that ? 

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[MlMt] new views and mouse vs keyboard navigation

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hey,

just a few observations for new views ...

1) the editor / preview view is now taking up more than half because of 
that big bar with a (+) on it. makes it quite 'cramped' to write.
   could that + take space away from the preview rather than the editor 
?


2) dialog button ordering changed making it (at least for now) 
impossible to use the keyboard for all actions.


   for example: Send mail to external addresses - dialog shown, in past 
I could press enter and it would get sent anyway, now it goes to edit. 
has to use mouse to send the mail.





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Re: [MlMt] How do I turn off the banners?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

ack - I can also see the viewer/rendering is different now so I 
definitely see something new :)


just not the mailing list header thing...I guess i'm lucky in that case.

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On 31 Aug 2020, at 17:56, Zvi Biener wrote:

You might see the banner if you open a message in its own viewer — 
that’s the only context where I see them…


On 31 Aug 2020, at 11:10, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

seeing all these messages about banners etc. and i'm on the latest 
version and not seeing themcould it be i'm not seeing them 
because I have
the "show gravatar for email" patch applied Benny sent out long time 
ago ?


i.e. I don't see a banner for "this is a mailing list" etc.

/max
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On 29 Aug 2020, at 8:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Aug 2020, at 20:56, Eric Sharakan wrote:


On 28 Aug 2020, at 14:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

(I'm aware that this and some other banners take up too much 
space.)


In this specific case, making them smaller is probably not 
sufficient.  There really needs to be an option to completely hide 
the mailing list notices.


Sorry, I wasn't very specific. The plan is also to make them 
optional.


The old message view had some very specific types of banners and it 
could only show 1 banner for each type. The new system is more 
general/abstract and much easier for me to work with when I get time 
to fix various long-standing issues. It has already improved how 
MailMate handles S/MIME and OpenPGP messages. The subscription 
banner is more a proof-of-concept than anything else :-)


It's actually possible to display even more annoying details using 
`MmShowParserDetails` :-)


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Re: [MlMt] How do I turn off the banners?

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seeing all these messages about banners etc. and i'm on the latest 
version and not seeing themcould it be i'm not seeing them because I 
have
the "show gravatar for email" patch applied Benny sent out long time ago 
?


i.e. I don't see a banner for "this is a mailing list" etc.

/max
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On 29 Aug 2020, at 8:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Aug 2020, at 20:56, Eric Sharakan wrote:


On 28 Aug 2020, at 14:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


(I'm aware that this and some other banners take up too much space.)


In this specific case, making them smaller is probably not 
sufficient.  There really needs to be an option to completely hide 
the mailing list notices.


Sorry, I wasn't very specific. The plan is also to make them optional.

The old message view had some very specific types of banners and it 
could only show 1 banner for each type. The new system is more 
general/abstract and much easier for me to work with when I get time 
to fix various long-standing issues. It has already improved how 
MailMate handles S/MIME and OpenPGP messages. The subscription banner 
is more a proof-of-concept than anything else :-)


It's actually possible to display even more annoying details using 
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Re: [MlMt] Future of Markdown syntax in Mailmate

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

/max
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On 10 Aug 2020, at 14:52, Andreas Sahlbach wrote:

Oh interesting, it is actually working (I though it's not supported), 
because


1. I am missing
a) this
b) nested list


okey - not a big user of that :)


which renders as a single line in HTML preview. Might be just a bug.

I also would like to see
- this
- as
- a list


 - this
 - is
 - a list

...that just seem to work.


which is not recognized as list in sundown.

I am missing ~~strikethrough~~ as well.


that could be handy.



Or the fact that when I quote this:


```java
public class Main {
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("This will be printed");
}
}
```


it is not rendered properly anymore.


it is if you make sure its actually markdown...was missing a newline 
after ```java


But again: I am just one user, writing a lot Github Flavored Markdown 
and missing some of the features or features in general (and I have 
not listed all).


Others might have a different opinion. Would be nice to have the 
markdown syntax a bit more configurable and adjustable and to see some 
progress here.

8 year old codes starts smelling...


Lets go for asciidoc then - true power ;)

I know Benny stated he was looking at making it more controllable but I 
haven't heard something in a while.


For now i'm fine with what I got - no other email client let me do 
markdown ;)


/max


Andreas



On 10 Aug 2020, at 14:09, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


 - what
   - nested lists
 - are you missing ?

and what is wrong with:


```java

System.out.println("Hello MailMate")
```

?

/max
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On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:22, Andreas Sahlbach wrote:

Can you suggest a possible replacement? I assume that it's largely 
a case of adjusting to a different API.


I would prefer to deal with this in an outcome oriented way, not 
from a implementation perspective. Ask the users what they want, 
then solve their problems. I can only speak for myself, the current 
syntax is too restricted and too basic.
I am missing nested lists, nicely rendered code snippets etc. But 
that's only my opinion and based on my view of existing markdown 
solutions.


Besides that, for a quick fix, there are several forks from the 
deprecated repository. Maybe one of them is compatible and improves 
the current situation already? (https://github.com/apiaryio/sundown, 
https://github.com/hoedown/hoedown)


On a midterm base it would be a cool feature to open up a plug-in 
interface so that the community can improve the situation by itself.


Ciao,

Andreas

On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:12, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 10 Aug 2020, at 12:44, Andreas Sahlbach wrote:


Hi!

I would like to ask (again), what are the plans of the mark down 
syntax in Mailmate? AFAIK the current markdown is based 
on [Sundown](<https://github.com/vmg/sundown> ), which is 
deprecated since 2012 without any fixes or active development.


Since 2012 there are a lot of improvements in the Markdown 
language and features and I saw several questions about supporting 
more markdown features in the mailing list. I myself would love to 
see github flavored markdown or even simple things like nested 
lists.


Are there any plans in doing improvements in this sector in 
Mailmate? Or opening up the interface so that the community can 
write its own plugins to enhance Mailmate?


I would love to continue to use Mailmate, since there are a lot of 
features that I love. But the lack of progress in this sector bugs 
me more and more, so I wrote this mail.


Can you suggest a possible replacement? I assume that it's largely 
a case of adjusting to a different API.


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Re: [MlMt] Future of Markdown syntax in Mailmate

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

 - what
   - nested lists
 - are you missing ?

and what is wrong with:


```java

System.out.println("Hello MailMate")
```

?

/max
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On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:22, Andreas Sahlbach wrote:

Can you suggest a possible replacement? I assume that it's largely a 
case of adjusting to a different API.


I would prefer to deal with this in an outcome oriented way, not from 
a implementation perspective. Ask the users what they want, then solve 
their problems. I can only speak for myself, the current syntax is too 
restricted and too basic.
I am missing nested lists, nicely rendered code snippets etc. But 
that's only my opinion and based on my view of existing markdown 
solutions.


Besides that, for a quick fix, there are several forks from the 
deprecated repository. Maybe one of them is compatible and improves 
the current situation already? (https://github.com/apiaryio/sundown, 
https://github.com/hoedown/hoedown)


On a midterm base it would be a cool feature to open up a plug-in 
interface so that the community can improve the situation by itself.


Ciao,

Andreas

On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:12, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 10 Aug 2020, at 12:44, Andreas Sahlbach wrote:


Hi!

I would like to ask (again), what are the plans of the mark down 
syntax in Mailmate? AFAIK the current markdown is based 
on [Sundown]( ), which is 
deprecated since 2012 without any fixes or active development.


Since 2012 there are a lot of improvements in the Markdown language 
and features and I saw several questions about supporting more 
markdown features in the mailing list. I myself would love to see 
github flavored markdown or even simple things like nested lists.


Are there any plans in doing improvements in this sector in 
Mailmate? Or opening up the interface so that the community can 
write its own plugins to enhance Mailmate?


I would love to continue to use Mailmate, since there are a lot of 
features that I love. But the lack of progress in this sector bugs 
me more and more, so I wrote this mail.


Can you suggest a possible replacement? I assume that it's largely a 
case of adjusting to a different API.


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[MlMt] exclamation mark on smart folder ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I noticed today my root smart box folder has a (!) icon on it.

I don't see any warning/error thus wondering what it means - anyone knows ?

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Re: [MlMt] Response/forward chase

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

tried use View > Layout > Threaded ?

The detail view for a message has a list that shows all messages in same 
thread / same subject.


not sure if that captures forwards ... not sure that is even 
traceable...if it is we can update the query used for that view to 
include it.


/max
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On 7 Jul 2020, at 19:04, aisrael wrote:

After I reply to an email, or forward it to someone else, I move these 
messages to mailboxes which are not necesssarily identical to the one 
where the original message is located (especially when the original 
message is still in the Inbox). How can I access these messages, 
starting from the original message? When I click twice on the straight 
or curved arrow that indicates the message has been answered or 
forwarded, I do not access anything (except, apparently,  when the 
reply is still located in the Reply mailbox).  Am I doing anything 
wrong?


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Re: [MlMt] Saving selected emails + attachments for legal proof ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

thanks for the various tips - for now I manually cherry picked the 
important ones for now - the "big" one will come later.


I was thinking it should be able to write a command that iterate all 
selected messages, saved it to a folder with -MM-DD pattern and then 
saved attachments to same folder.


But I haven't found how to access the attachments from a command yet...
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On 16 Jun 2020, at 12:27, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


On 16 Jun 2020, at 12:05, Charlie Clark wrote:

I think Glenn's suggestion sounds pretty good to be honest. Otherwise 
I would have thought it reasonably straightforward to add additional 
control through AppleScript.


I'd say your mileage will vary.

In my case I had all sorts of mails and attachments (JPG, PDF, Excel, 
Word). Probably 1000+


To have all the mails printed out in sequence with their attachement 
is _not_ a trivial task by any means. Certainly not impossible but 
personally I have given up on MM and went the commercial way. Most 
interested in your feedback, though.


Regards


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Re: [MlMt] Saving selected emails + attachments for legal proof ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Yes, but I need the attachments too...print doesn't do that.

/max
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On 14 Jun 2020, at 16:34, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


Max Rydahl Andersen 2020-06-14 9:41 wrote:

I'm in a need to save and preferably print ~500 messages including 
attachments for evidence in a legal case.


Anyone know if there is a hidden option somewhere or maybe have a 
script that can make that happen ?


You can simply select all the messages you want to print and the use 
the print command. That will print all the selected messages.


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[MlMt] Saving selected emails + attachments for legal proof ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I'm in a need to save and preferably print ~500 messages including 
attachments for evidence in a legal case.


Anyone know if there is a hidden option somewhere or maybe have a script 
that can make that happen ?


Doing it individually will take forever :)

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[MlMt] synchronise button for tool bar ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

Any way to add synchronise (All) button to the toolbar instead of having 
to use the nested menu ?


I rarely use the toolbar but since i've been travelling and realised 
mailmate burns through my GB allowance like there is no tomorrow

I've now moved to manual sync and the menu is tedious ;)

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Re: [MlMt] mailmate no longer fetching updated to folders

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I was seeing the same thing and noticed that my Gmail account was 
marked as “Throttled”.


yeah - throttling is what caused this - i simply just didn't see it 
since my mailbox window was too narrow to see the "Throttled" part.


Whats frustrating is that I've now been throttled for ~10 days which 
just doesn’t seem right - especially as I'm receiving way less email 
these days than in the past ;/


I upgraded to the test release (r3672), restarted MailMate, and the 
problem seems to have gone away.


I'm on 5672 already ;/
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Re: [MlMt] Asana Integration Bundle

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Select your message or messages:
Command > MailMate > Copy Link to Message(s)

/max
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On 18 Nov 2019, at 20:17, Chris Jones wrote:


Hey Benny,

Any chance I can work with you off list to build a bundle for Asana? 
Our company has fully invested in using Asana for project/task 
management and I would hate to lose my ability to link emails to 
tasks.


Also, as an interim bandaid, is there a way to quickly copy the 
message:// link for a given email so I can insert this into an Asana 
task?


Cheers,
-Chris

On 10 Apr 2015, at 0:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 10 Apr 2015, at 5:16, Chris Jones wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm reaching for the stars here but would it be 
possible to build a bundle to integrate MailMate with Asana?


A quick look on the API reveals that `curl` can be used to create a 
task:


curl -u : https://app.asana.com/api/1.0/tasks \
-d "assignee=1235" \
-d "followers[0]=5678" \
-d "name=Hello, world%21" \
-d "notes=How are you today%3F" \
-d "projects=14641" \
-d "workspace=14916"

Since Asana is a webapp would it be possible to open the email in 
MailMate from Asana?


That's not a problem. MailMate can generate `message:` URLs and they 
are opened by MailMate if MailMate is the default email client (it 
also works for Apple Mail).


Asana is becoming quite popular amongst teams so it would probably add 
value to MailMate's bundle offering.


I don't currently have the time to create new bundles. I imagine it 
would be easiest to use the Todoist bundle as a starting point for 
creating an Asana bundle since it also requires the use of an API key 
(named a token in Todoist I think), but it seems that for Asana this 
is not the only variable needed (projects, assignee?, workspace?).


Well, it's probably faster for me to create a bundle than it is to 
explain how it's done. You can contact me off list if you would like 
to help that happen. Primarily, I need you to play with the `curl` 
commands needed to do what you want with Asana.


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

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you can go in on any mailbox and add a condition that you don't want 
to see mails if they are found in another folder (physical or smart 
virtual ones). If I remember opera mail it actually works in the same 
manner...except you couldn't configure/control it...


How i can Setup this "Not in other View" condition?


![](cid:45F989FA-DEDF-405B-903A-A7D5365754CF@gmail.com 
"2019-11-13_21-40-07.png")


Here is how I do it for my Inbox folder.

I think opera mail has a global toggle on each folder to automatically 
have it be filtered out of any other smart mailbox - that kind of 
feature I haven't found a way to express

in mailmate smart boxes yet.





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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

what do you mean here ?  you mean UI elements or ?


I commented this a couple of months ago when I started with MailMate. 
Basically, Opera Mail has what I would call sensible defaults: you can 
configure "filters" so that the contents do not show in other views, 
and mailboxes themselves can be configured so that standard filters, 
say mailing lists or items identified as spam, do not show. I 
understand you can sort of do this with MailMate, just not so easily 
out of the box.


you can go in on any mailbox and add a condition that you don't want to 
see mails if they are found in another folder (physical or smart virtual 
ones). If I remember opera mail it actually works in the same 
manner...except you couldn't configure/control it...


/max



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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

yes, I do similar except I also have all my mails from mailing lists 
automatically sorted into folders so I can look them up easily on 
phone/web mail interface.


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On 12 Nov 2019, at 13:57, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


Andreas Borutta 2019-11-12 12:15 wrote:

smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can 
handled

smart mailboxes as well as mail mate.



Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was 
just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of 
the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases 
for me.


I used to have a lot of rules that moved in mails to a lot of 
different folders. After moving to MailMate and discovering how smart 
the smart folders are I now use a different approach.


1. All mail comes in to the standard "Inbox".
2. There I look at them and press "a" for archive or "d" for delete 
etc.
3. The "Inbox" is then empty and all mail I want to keep is in 
"Archive".


I then have a lot of smart folders for customers, persons, projects, 
mailing lists etc. They completely replace all the folders I used to 
have.


For me this is a lot better :

* One mail can show up in any number of smart folders.
* Reorganising things does not involve moving any mail, just changing 
some smart folders.

* I can add and remove smart folders without any risk of losing mail.

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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

markdown for email: nuff'said ?


Until now, me as a reader of incomming messages, prefer text only
view.
Because so few people are using HTML in a useful way.


which is why mail mate's use of markdown is great.

If you are mainly a text email guy you just read the markdown - there 
is

no special formatting, lists looks like lists written in text etc.

When it comes to composing a message I prefer a markdowneditor, 
which

standard mode is "show the generated html view" while editing.
My eyes just don't like to see the syntax of markdown.


Yes ? I have show html view too so I can see both text and html


But I'm talking of the compose process.

When I use markdown, I like my editor to behave like e.g. the App
Notes on macOS:

I write "* foo"ENTER

And the app "thinks" I like to write a list point and renders it like
a html element "ul".

That's my favorite behaviour. It get the best of both worlds:

I don't need graphical buttons to declare something as a list point. I
just write "* foo".

But I get the nice rendering of HTML.




When I understand it correctly, that is not possible in MM.
Please correct me, if neccessary.


no, and I personally like it that way as I like editing in text mode 
over a visual one.


Good thing is that if you know of an editor that can do what you are 
looking for then mailmate most likely can use it to edit/create the mail 
for you :)

Summarized:

I would love to have a text editor for mail composing, which offers
formatting for plain text tasks.

Example:
Format a numbered list.

Before formatting:

* Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce
vehicula orci vitae
* Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean 
pulvinar

consequat arcu

After formatting:

 1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce
vehicula orci vitae

 2. Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean
pulvinar consequat arcu

But I have never heard that such a mail compose plain text editor
exist.


That sounds like something you can do with osx text services.

Ever tried out
https://brettterpstra.com/projects/markdown-service-tools/#listsfixnumberedlist
?
His markdown services might help you out.


But I do not talk about markdown.

I like to send a plain text message and than a receiver who uses a
plain text mail client (which cannot view html or markdown) should see
the text in the way I posted it above. Nicely formatted plain text.


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

ah good old opera mail - it was great but its complete ignorance and 
non-support of folders server side killed the email experience from 
any other client.


I never had problems with server-side folders, but then I don't use 
them very often. As noted elsewhere, MailMate is, in my opinion, 
missing a simple option to exclude elements from other views.


what do you mean here ?  you mean UI elements or ?

But seeing as it's been cast adrift for several years, the point is 
somewhat moot and I've now moved all my accounts to MailMate. Though 
I'm probably not going to move to 10.15 any time soon.



Mailmate allows you to mix and match whatever approach works for you.


Absolutely! MailMate has some great features even if it's missing some 
fit and finish.


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I would love for Benny to add a nextunreadornextcountedfolder 
command

but I
would encourage you to try mailmate out even before that happens :)


: ) That's what I'm doing right now.

Would you (or others) who are experienced with Thunderbird like to
help me to explore in which aspects MM is superior to TB?


Here are my on top of my head features:


Thanks for your feedback : )
I will snip those points, where I have no further enquiry.


bundles: I use a bunch of the bundles built in


Which specific tasks do you solve with those bundles please?


Mailman - to easy open archives and generate unsucribe mail/website 
info.
org-mode - add email to my GTD inbox (similar exists for a bunch of 
other GTD tools)

mailmate - copy links to emails, copy subjects, etc.

...you'll notice I wrote 2 of these so maybe I'm biased :)


markdown for email: nuff'said ?


Until now, me as a reader of incomming messages, prefer text only
view.
Because so few people are using HTML in a useful way.


which is why mail mate's use of markdown is great.

If you are mainly a text email guy you just read the markdown - there is
no special formatting, lists looks like lists written in text etc.


When it comes to composing a message I prefer a markdowneditor, which
standard mode is "show the generated html view" while editing.
My eyes just don't like to see the syntax of markdown.


Yes ? I have show html view too so I can see both text and html I send 
as
I know both will end up to be viewed by user dependent on their 
preference to

text or html.


Summarized:

I would love to have a text editor for mail composing, which offers
formatting for plain text tasks.

Example:
Format a numbered list.

Before formatting:

* Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce
vehicula orci vitae
* Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar
consequat arcu

After formatting:

 1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce
vehicula orci vitae

 2. Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean
pulvinar consequat arcu

But I have never heard that such a mail compose plain text editor
exist.


That sounds like something you can do with osx text services.

Ever tried out 
https://brettterpstra.com/projects/markdown-service-tools/#listsfixnumberedlist 
?

His markdown services might help you out.

integration with spotlight on osx: not sure if thunderbird does this 
by
now but i use it often now with mailmate (its in many cases faster 
than

mail mate to do focused search)


Good hint!
For curiousity: Does the internal search of MM uses an index as well?


yes, but it’s a different one and supports way more parameters ;)

With my 1.000.000 messages it sometimes gets challenged and it does 
block the UI
but that’s why I try and use spotlight search for most things until 
Benny finds

a way to improve that situation.

It helps to tell search to just search in a specific mailbox - speed 
things up ;)


smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can 
handled

smart mailboxes as well as mail mate.


Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was
just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of
the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases
for me.



Independent of that:
Are anyone of you uses the filter type/language SIEVE and declares 
the

rules inside MM?


MM doesn't support editing SIEVE rules. It does have integration 
support

with spamsieve.


Oh, that surprises me. I had in my mind, that MM allows editing SIEVE
rules.


no, it has its own filtering system.


That said I uses neither as I don't want my desktop client to do the
bulk filtering as
it is not always running thus my mails gets cluttered when just on
phone.


I'm not sure, if I understand you correctly.
SIEVE will do the filtering job on the server.
That's why I would like to use it.


yes, you can continue to do that.


I just don't want to be forced to open the webinterface of my provider
to add a new rule.
I like to do that from my mail client.


yeah, so I never seen a mail client that does good server side rule 
editing;

hence why I use imapfilter ;)

/max



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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 12 Nov 2019, at 10:38, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can 
handled smart mailboxes as well as mail mate.


Opera Mail, perhaps, but it's no longer maintained and won't run on >= 
10.15.


ah good old opera mail - it was great but its complete ignorance and 
non-support of folders server side killed

the email experience from any other client.

Mailmate allows you to mix and match whatever approach works for you.

/max



I think support for dynamic views (smart mailboxes) is a killer 
feature for anyone who gets used to it: it is so much faster and 
flexible than folders.


That said, there's a long list of stuff that MM could do (Exchange 
support, even if I hate it), or could do better, so I do hope Benny 
has the time to work on it.


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I Fully grok your mindset here. I had the same.


Thank you. It is important for me to know, that there are other users
who like the suggested feature too.

I did jump to mailmate in the end though since mailmate is so much 
better

in almost any other aspect than Thunderbird.

And to be clear you do not need to use any modifiers to go to next 
unread.

I have 'n' as my next unread.


Yes, but with that command you are stucked in the mailbox, where you
are at the moment.

To get to the next unread in the next mailbox you need another
command.


Yes, and that’s why I compromised it so that I simply have to push 
shift+n when I want to move further.
You could make it so 'b' moved to next so you only need to move your 
finger one slot to the left :)


I would love for Benny to add a nextunreadornextcountedfolder command 
but I

would encourage you to try mailmate out even before that happens :)


: ) That's what I'm doing right now.

Would you (or others) who are experienced with Thunderbird like to
help me to explore in which aspects MM is superior to TB?


Here are my on top of my head features:

scalability: with mail mate I'm now at 1.000.000+ messages something I 
never got near with thunderbird - I stopped using thunderbird the 3rd 
time I had it corrupts its own database and then spent days downloading 
all messages again.


bundles: I use a bunch of the bundles built in but also written a few 
internal processes, like take expense emails through a filter which then 
generates content in my clipboard I can then put into a spreadsheet ;)


markdown for email: nuff'said ?

integration with spotlight on osx: not sure if thunderbird does this by 
now but i use it often now with mailmate (its in many cases faster than 
mail mate to do focused search)


smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled 
smart mailboxes as well as mail mate.




Independent of that:
Are anyone of you uses the filter type/language SIEVE and declares the
rules inside MM?


MM doesn't support editing SIEVE rules. It does have integration support 
with spamsieve.


That said I uses neither as I don't want my desktop client to do the 
bulk filtering as
it is not always running thus my mails gets cluttered when just on 
phone.


I use imapfilter and have a fairly complex implementation which I some 
day will try and

make possible to share..some day ;)

That said mailmates filtering rules are very good and if I just used my 
desktop for mails or it was always on I would be fine with mail mates 
filters.


/max



Best
Andreas






On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 09:26, Andreas Borutta  wrote:


Travis Risner via mailmate:

I have found that if I choose the general/universal inbox, I can 
then

option-command down arrow to move to the next unread message.  Yes,
pressing it again will go to the next unread message rather than 
paging
down, but I consider this an advantage.  It lets me skip from a 
short or

boring message directly to the next.


I like and use the optional command "Jump to the beginning of the 
next

unread message" too. For the same reason like you: when a message is
boring.
But my highest priority of all functions of a mail client is indeed
the single read key. Just because I use it thousand of times.

That's as well the reason that for such a command I regard only a
keyboard shortcut as acceptable which uses one key and not
additionally a meta key or arrow key.

Further I prefer it not use "one big mailbox for all messages". So I
need the single read key working in the normal mailboxes.

In other words:
When the command stops at the last unread message in one Mailbox and
forces the user to manually switch to the next mailbox (with a 
special

keyboard shortcut), it does not work for me.

I really do not stop using "one single key for reading".

I tried to find where this is documented but I didn't see it in MM 
help,

the MM manual, in MM preferences, system preferences, or in the
"defaults" settings.  Since I don't know where this is set (or how 
I got

it to work), it may not work for you.

BTW, Thunderbird allows one to transfer an email to a local folder. 
 MM
does not.  Thus just looking through the MM inbox gets to all 
unread
messages available to MM.  (I use both programs just so I can 
transfer
emails to local folders.  Other than that, I consider MM superior 
to

Thunderbird.)


My impression of MM is very good too. I bought the license 2 years
ago. But as long as I can't realize a single read key I cannot 
switch

from  Thunderbird to MM.

Yes, local folders are a nice concept of TB. But it has not the same
rank for me as such usability features as "single read key".

But I'm patient :)
May be Benny likes my suggestion.


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

You can create a smart mailbox or use the existing one to have *All 
Unread messages* and you can use a single key to read through that :)


/max
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On 11 Nov 2019, at 18:17, Andreas Borutta wrote:


Max Rydahl Andersen:


I haven't found one, so my approximation is the following:

  "N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");
  "P" = ("selectPreviousCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");

Then with `mybindings, postbox` in keyboard setup I then have 'n' 
being
next unread and then shift+N goes to next folder with a counter 
(which

by default is unread but could be something else).

p and P does the same just 'previous' instead of next.


Thanks for that approximation.

I can't switch to MM until there's no "real single read key". Beeing
able to browse throught all unread messages with only one key is
indispensable for me.

Bad luck for me.

But may be Benny like the idea and will implement it some day.

Best
Andreas




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On 10 Nov 2019, at 8:59, Andreas Borutta wrote:


Good morning.

I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like 
the
function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single 
key

read".
By default it is the space bar.

In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail 
body

(when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of
the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When
you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops.


I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread
messages.

And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move
you to the next unread message in the next mailbox.

That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease
of tapping the space bar for reading.

Is that possible with MM please?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I haven't found one, so my approximation is the following:

	  "N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");	
	  "P" = ("selectPreviousCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");


Then with `mybindings, postbox` in keyboard setup I then have 'n' being 
next unread and then shift+N goes to next folder with a counter (which 
by default is unread but could be something else).


p and P does the same just 'previous' instead of next.

/max
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On 10 Nov 2019, at 8:59, Andreas Borutta wrote:


Good morning.

I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like the
function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single key
read".
By default it is the space bar.

In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail body
(when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of
the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When
you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops.


I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread
messages.

And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move
you to the next unread message in the next mailbox.

That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease
of tapping the space bar for reading.

Is that possible with MM please?

Thanks.

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[MlMt] possible for bundles to generate attachments ? i.e. to support using plantuml ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hey,

Was just wondering if it was possible to somehow write a bundle for 
mailmate that

convert text blocks to html that include generate images ?

i.e. to use something like plantuml to have it insert a graphical 
representation ?


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Re: [MlMt] Grouping mailing lists

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Its not a condition named mailing list - it is if you created a smart 
folder named "Mailing Lists" then you can choose that as a source for 
messages or in this case where *NOT* to get messages shown from.


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On 9 Sep 2019, at 9:20, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 9 Sep 2019, at 0:54, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

Yes, on the smart Inbox you say to have All Message + NOT Mailing 
Lists then you'll have a smart inbox that is everything except what 
is in Mailing Lists.


I'm not sure how to set that up. I don't see a condition relating to 
mailing lists. Tagging seems to work okay and I have multiple inboxes 
for multiple accounts, so I'm happy so far!


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Re: [MlMt] Grouping mailing lists

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Charlie, in my case one condition on my standard Inbox filters out all 
Newsletter tags, so I'm not setting it for each of my inboxes 
individually.


Max, would you describe in a little more detail where the "Not Mailing 
Lists" goes in the new Smart Inbox of your solution? Thank you.


Yes, on the smart Inbox you say to have All Message + NOT Mailing Lists 
then you'll have a smart inbox that is everything except what is in 
Mailing Lists.


/max



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On 8 Sep 2019, at 17:03, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

If by folder you mean a smart folder then you can just create a smart 
folder named "Mailing Lists" with the rules that make it match what 
you are after, i.e. "List-Id" exists to get all mailing-lists. And 
then a smart folder which will be your inbox add a mailbox line that 
says "Not Mailing Lists".


Then there are no need to do any tagging as its all done virtually 
for you.


/max
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On 8 Sep 2019, at 21:06, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 8 Sep 2019, at 20:36, Robert DelRossi wrote:

Charlie -- I'm new to Mailmate, too (and loving it!). Here's the 
approach I've taken with mailing lists.


I created a new Smart Mailbox called Newsletters. In the Conditions 
section of its properties I set all the requirements for what I 
want collected (emails sent from all the various newsletter 
accounts). On the Sub-mailboxes tab I turned on "Submailbox for 
each unique value of From/Name." This creates a separate folder in 
the Smart Mailbox for each Name I receive. So, for example, I now 
automatically have folders under the Newsletters folder for one 
journal or another.


Finally, in the Smart Mailbox properties I added a rule (in the 
Rules tab) that tags each incoming message with a Newsletters tag.


Now, on my mail Inbox I set a condition that tells it to shows 
messages that  **don't**  have a Newsletter tag. This way, all 
the messages filtered into my Smart Mailbox don't show up in my 
Inbox.


Hope this makes sense. As I say, I'm new here, too, so perhaps the 
others will have a more straightforward way to do this. But the 
approach I've taken works and I'm thrilled with the results.


Yes, it makes sense. So I should be able to create a "Mailing List" 
tag and get other mailboxes to ignore mails that are so tagged. A 
little clumsy but workable, I guess.


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Re: [MlMt] Grouping mailing lists

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

If by folder you mean a smart folder then you can just create a smart 
folder named "Mailing Lists" with the rules that make it match what you 
are after, i.e. "List-Id" exists to get all mailing-lists. And then a 
smart folder which will be your inbox add a mailbox line that says "Not 
Mailing Lists".


Then there are no need to do any tagging as its all done virtually for 
you.


/max
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On 8 Sep 2019, at 21:06, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 8 Sep 2019, at 20:36, Robert DelRossi wrote:

Charlie -- I'm new to Mailmate, too (and loving it!). Here's the 
approach I've taken with mailing lists.


I created a new Smart Mailbox called Newsletters. In the Conditions 
section of its properties I set all the requirements for what I want 
collected (emails sent from all the various newsletter accounts). On 
the Sub-mailboxes tab I turned on "Submailbox for each unique value 
of From/Name." This creates a separate folder in the Smart Mailbox 
for each Name I receive. So, for example, I now automatically have 
folders under the Newsletters folder for one journal or another.


Finally, in the Smart Mailbox properties I added a rule (in the Rules 
tab) that tags each incoming message with a Newsletters tag.


Now, on my mail Inbox I set a condition that tells it to shows 
messages that  **don't**  have a Newsletter tag. This way, all the 
messages filtered into my Smart Mailbox don't show up in my Inbox.


Hope this makes sense. As I say, I'm new here, too, so perhaps the 
others will have a more straightforward way to do this. But the 
approach I've taken works and I'm thrilled with the results.


Yes, it makes sense. So I should be able to create a "Mailing List" 
tag and get other mailboxes to ignore mails that are so tagged. A 
little clumsy but workable, I guess.


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Re: [MlMt] What is the fastest way to search for a message and find a thread?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Turn on layout threads and you get a sidebar next to the message with messages 
in same thread or subject.

/max
On 1 Sep 2019, 12:07 +0200, Pat Maddox , wrote:
> Hi, I frequently want to look up a thread, where I remember one of the
> correspondents. So I search for their name, which shows me any emails
> from them, but not the entire thread.
>
> So far what I’ve found is that I can “Go to Source” and then press
> the “Find and display all messages from the same conversation”
> button (which strangely doesn’t seem to have a keyboard shortcut that
> I can see).
>
> If I have to do it in two steps like that, I can adjust... but if
> there’s a way to find an email via search and then navigate directly
> to its entire thread, I would like to do that.
>
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Re: [MlMt] Extending togglefilterkey to switch work/personal mail on/off ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

..but can keyboard shortcuts modify that same environment ?

/max
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On 23 Aug 2019, at 1:48, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 23 Aug 2019, at 9:37, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

I have  _alot_  of smart subfolders which has shared rules between 
work and personal.
I would have to recreate/duplicate all those for each - that would be 
bummer :)


I think the filters can read from the `ENVIRONMENT` vars. If so, then 
you could create a key shortcut to set a ENV var and use that as the 
home vs work toggle.


This is for Bundles, but may be useful:

- https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual/wiki/Bundles#environment

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Re: [MlMt] Extending togglefilterkey to switch work/personal mail on/off ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I have *alot* of smart subfolders which has shared rules between work 
and personal.
I would have to recreate/duplicate all those for each - that would be 
bummer :)


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On 23 Aug 2019, at 1:35, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 23 Aug 2019, at 6:22, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

At times I would like to just have work mail visible other times just 
my personal mails.


I was wondering if there was a way to extend toggleFilterKey to be 
something I could use together

with a condition on smart folders ?


I have two separate Smart Mailboxes so I can have different "views" of 
messages. Instead of having a toggle in the filters; how about using a 
key shortcut to switch between the two Smart Mailboxes.


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[MlMt] Extending togglefilterkey to switch work/personal mail on/off ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

At times I would like to just have work mail visible other times just my 
personal mails.


I was wondering if there was a way to extend toggleFilterKey to be 
something I could use together

with a condition on smart folders ?

i.e. something like:

All Messages AND ((source:perso...@gmail.com AND personalToggle) OR 
(source:w...@company.com AND workToggle))


And then have a key setup to toggle the toggles like we can for unread 
today ?


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Re: [MlMt] Broken conversations if first message is missing

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Fyi this is why I created the layout now called Threaded and included in 
mailmate. 

It doesn't "fix" the grouping in the message list but at least have a separate 
view that shows all the related messages to the currently selected message. 

Giving you at least easy access to the full thread no matter how you got to the 
message. 

/max

> On 1 Aug 2019, at 08:29, Benny Kjær Nielsen  wrote:
> 
> On 29 Jul 2019, at 16:44, Alexandru Nedelcu wrote:
> 
>> I receive notifications from GitHub on my email and when the first message 
>> of a thread is missing (like when I'm the one opening some issue), then 
>> Mailmate does not group the messages in that thread.
> 
> MailMate uses very strict threading showing only parent-child relationships. 
> In this case the parent (of all messages) is missing and MailMate currently 
> has no way to show siblings without a parent.
> 
>> [...]
>> Anything that can be done to make the conversation grouping more aggressive?
> 
> No, this requires that I make (major) changes to MailMate. It has probably 
> been on the todo since day 1 of MailMate and although I did make some 
> progress on this issue some time ago I've had to postpone it. In other words, 
> don't expect it soon.
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Re: [MlMt] Gravatar-hack for MailMate

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I copied the file so I have this:

```
$ ls ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Resources/Layouts
Mailboxes
headersFormatting.plist
```

but after restarting nothing seem to happen


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On 22 Feb 2019, at 11:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Feb 2019, at 1:20, Charlie Garrison wrote:

To everyone: Sorry about the missing attachment *and* the wrong path. 
I've attached a new file, because the other one was actually much more 
complex than it needed to be (because I was trying out different 
approaches to the problem). They are functionally equivalent though.



On 22 Feb 2019, at 1:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


The attached file needs to be saved in this folder:

/Users//Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/Layouts/headersFormatting.plist


Just to emphasize, it should have been:

	/Users//Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/Layouts/headersFormatting.plist


(And `Resources/Layouts` likely do not exist for most users.)

I've already got a custom headersFormatting.plist which is quite 
different from the one you supplied. Would you be willing to point 
out what the differences are for the Gravatar icon? Or, is there any 
docco to explain the structure of the headersFormatting.plist file?


There is no documentation. It really is just for users that would 
rather tinker with low level files than wait for me to implement some 
specific feature. (There are no guarantees I won't change the format 
of one or more of these files in the future.)


In this case, it's fairly simple what you need to do if you already 
have the `longFormatting` key defined. The file should start with 
this:


~~~
{
longFormatting =
{
children =
(
// Gravatar example with link
{
formatString = "href=\"https://www.gravatar.com/${from.address.#md5}\;>style=\"float: left; height: 60px;\" 
src=\"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/${from.address.#md5}\"/>";

},
~~~

And then continue with its current content. In other words, the 
`children` group above just got a new “first child”.


The above also shows you that it's possible to click on the avatar to 
go to the corresponding Gravatar page.


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Re: [MlMt] Mail-Templates?

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Thanks for that pointer. It's very fast in comparison to text expander. Thanks 
:)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Feb 2019, at 10:45, Vlad Ghitulescu  wrote:
> 
> Try Typinator. 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 20.02.2019 um 09:44 schrieb Matthias Schmidt via mailmate 
>> :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Feb 2019, at 23:24, Lipman, Barton L wrote:
>>> 
>>> My apologies if this was already mentioned, but I think TextExpander is
>>> a more flexible and easier way to do this.
>> 
>> thanks, I’ve been using that one and the keyboard short cuts sometimes just 
>> don’t work.
>> All in all I consider Textexpander buggy and I was looking for an 
>> alternative ;-)
>> 
>> cheers
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> 
>>> Bart
>>> 
>>> 
> On 12 Feb 2019, at 17:17, Randall Gellens wrote:
> 
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 3:16, Robert Brenstein wrote:
> 
> Just save template mails as drafts in Drafts, with appropriate
> subject to indicate that this is a template, and Edit as new mail
> each time?
 
 This is what I do, except that I also copy the message to a
 "Stationery" mailbox (the term Eudora used), to make it easy to find.
 When I want to send such a message, I select it in the "Stationery"
 mailbox and then select Edit as New Message under the Message menu.
 
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Re: [MlMt] Driving me nuts..

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi Zvi,

Do share those bindings. Especially like the idea of resetting to clean sheet 
after reading through it all. 
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Re: [MlMt] exclude emails in address pattern ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Is there a way via the address pattern to state .*@example\.com is 
good, except d...@example.com and w...@example.com ?


If you can describe it with a regular expression, then you can put it 
in. For example, you might be able to do something along the lines 
of:


.*(?

For people not used to regular expressions, this uses so-called 
negative lookbehind (if you want to google it). It is also possible to 
use negative lookahead:


(?!(dad|wife)@).*@example\.com

That is (perhaps) a bit easier to read in this case. (I have not 
tested it.)


mailmate uses PCRE-like syntax for its regular expression, right ? then 
regextester.com is a nice tool for testing.


Then yours seems faulty: https://www.regextester.com/?fam=105641 (still 
matches dad and wife).


but Davids (https://www.regextester.com/?fam=105642) seems more precise 
(and actually seem to work for me in mailmate)


In any case thanks for both answers - it worked ;)
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[MlMt] exclude emails in address pattern ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I got a catch-all domain i.e @example.com
and thus I have address pattern set to `.*@example\.com` as illustrated 
in

https://blog.freron.com/2013/handling-multiple-identities/

But I also have some aliases/forwards that aren't really mine for family 
members,

lets say d...@example.com, w...@example.com, etc.

Those emails I really don't want to count as "me".

Is there a way via the address pattern to state .*@example\.com is good, 
except d...@example.com and w...@example.com ?


Thanks,
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Re: [MlMt] Adding Oauth2 accounts?

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Hi,

If your account is managed by google your email is a “gmail” email.   

Just put in your company email and it should work.  
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[MlMt] format mail pop clip extension useful mailmate

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I was bored today and got annoyed I couldn't get mailmate (and other apps)
to do a decent formatting of my mail so I made this pop clip extension:
https://github.com/maxandersen/FormatMail.popclipext.

Thought others in here might like it.

p.s. yes, I could have made this a mailmate bundle too but then I couldn't use
it in other apps :)

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Re: [MlMt] discussion topic: IMAP or smart mailbox?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I have filtering of most of my mails from mailing list to a folder per 
list id.


reason: so i can find things easily on phone email clients.

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On 14 Jun 2018, at 22:25, Peter Borsella wrote:


Hello, All,

I currently have hundreds of IMAP folders.  Now that I have MailMate 
I’m wondering, is it better to create IMAP folders, or, better to 
create smart mailboxes every time I need a new collection of emails?


If this has already been debated I’d appreciate pointing me to the 
discussion thread.


Thanks!
...Peter


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Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to keep all threads expanded?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

also just now got around to try running with both new options enabled. 
works great!


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On 27 May 2018, at 19:31, Michael Hucka wrote:

On this matter from last month: I wanted to confirm that using the 
first preference described below makes MailMate behave as I hoped -- 
it always keeps the threads expanded.


Thank you for implementing this!

MH

On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:23:56 +0200, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 19 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Antonio Santos wrote:


And another one!


Please stop :-)

Try the latest test release which includes a first shot at providing
an auto-expand feature. It has two options:

defaults write com.freron.MailMate
MmAutomaticallyExpandThreadsEnabled -bool YES
defaults write com.freron.MailMate
MmAutomaticallyExpandOnlyWhenCounted -bool YES

The first one makes MailMate always expand all threads. Combined with
the second one, only threads with emails “counted” are expanded. 
That

might seem strange, but it means that if you have a mailbox with an
unread count in the mailbox list then only threads with unread
messages are going to be expanded (or the parts of the threads with
unread messages).

New messages also trigger auto-expansion.

I might still change how this works. In particular, these features
could be more independent of each other.

I haven't tested this much and there are likely to be bugs.

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[MlMt] mailmate no longer remembers column settings at all

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

i'm on Version 2.0BETA (6110) and now no matter what I select in column 
views and no matter how many times I set them as defaults they always 
fallback to default.


Please help - I really need my Date received (relative) column for my 
sanity ;)


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Re: [MlMt] getting told I have 2 unsent messages but nothing in outbound

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

I haven’t deleted them. 

There is 3 but I get warned about 2. 

The youngest one was done if I recall right while I was traveling (flights, 
opening/closing laptop, etc.). Only special thing I can think of there. 

Let me know what you would like to get from them ?

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> On 25 Apr 2018, at 11:29, Benny Kjær Nielsen <mailingl...@freron.com> wrote:
> 
> On 24 Apr 2018, at 23:38, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> 
> I have three emails with a date in pending submission.
> 
> So you found them.
> 
> 1 from two weeks ago which was just a random test mail I wrote (approximately 
> when I started having the issue)
> 
> I assume you have no idea if something out-of-the-ordinary happened with this 
> test email?
> 
> and 2 others from back in 2017 which is a long time ago :)
> 
> Where were these 3 emails located?
> 
> This also tells us that it's likely to be an old bug.
> 
> None of them shows up in outbox.
> 
> That mailbox shows email with the virtual #relay header. I guess this means 
> that these emails do not have this header while they do have a #relay-date 
> header. I could catch this case before showing the send-now window on exit, 
> but it would be much better if we could figure out the order of events 
> triggering the emails to get into this state.
> 
> I assume you have deleted these emails. Let me know if it happens again.
> 
> (There's a small chance that I recently fixed a bug which I think could 
> trigger this behavior, but I'm not 100% sure about that.)
> 
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Re: [MlMt] getting told I have 2 unsent messages but nothing in outbound

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 11 Apr 2018, at 13:46, Annamarie wrote:

How do I find those 2 messages since I'm not inclined to just say 
"Yes" to send them as not sure whats actually in them ;)


Ditto - though in my case it's just one message. Been meaning to 
write in about that.


You can try selecting the “All Messages” mailbox and then enable 
the “Pending Submission” column. Sort by this column to see if you 
can find anything suspicious. If you do find it then note anything 
interesting about it before deleting it. (I'd like to know how these 
messages came into existence.)




I have three emails with a date in pending submission.

1 from two weeks ago which was just a random test mail I wrote 
(approximately when I started having the issue) and 2 others from back 
in 2017 which is a long time ago :)


None of them shows up in outbox.

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Re: [MlMt] Is there an easy way to exclude all subfolders when they are many, approx 150 or more?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 20 Apr 2018, at 16:02, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 20 Apr 2018, at 15:57, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

and optimally I would like that `Unread` is all except what is 
already covered by any of the smart folders.


Since that would be kinda of a circular definition it would be nice 
being able to say in Unread
something like exclude mails that are in a subfolder of a specific 
folder (i.e. something like "Do not include Unread/*"


If I understand correctly then this would be possible with the “None 
of the following” option in the Mailboxes pane of the smart mailbox 
editor? (Possibly combined with the non-existing “Include messages 
of all submailboxes” feature.)


 Actually, I just checked again and what I actually have is:

```
Unread
  - Inbox
  - smart folder 1
  - smart folder 1
  - smart folder ..
  - smart folder 150+
``

then "Inbox" is at the moment "All in Unread" + a bunch of "does not 
exist in smart folder N" references.


If I had a way to say "do not include Unread/*" I could remove Inbox 
above or I would have to move it outside this hierarchy as
otherwise Inbox would itself be part of the "do not include unread/*" 
pattern ;)


In any case - just looking as initial poster of this thread for a way to 
avoid having to go and add each smart folder to the Inbox one ;)


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Re: [MlMt] Is there an easy way to exclude all subfolders when they are many, approx 150 or more?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

for what it is worth I've wished for something similar in past.

```
Unread
 - smartfolder 1
 - smartFolder 2
 - smartFolder ...
 - smartfolder 150+ :
```

smart folder above is "what is Unread + specific rules"
and optimally I would like that `Unread` is all except what is already 
covered by any of the smart folders.


Since that would be kinda of a circular definition it would be nice 
being able to say in Unread
something like exclude mails that are in a subfolder of a specific 
folder (i.e. something like "Do not include Unread/*"


That would simplify my setup and reduce my duplicated mails a lot :)

/max
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On 20 Apr 2018, at 15:30, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 20 Apr 2018, at 2:32, Robert Brenstein wrote:

I would love to have a feature when a smart mailbox would 
automatically include all the mailboxes that are defined within it. 
Sort of reverse of the current submailboxes feature.


I'll be looking into how hard this would be to add.

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Re: [MlMt] Searching and reading thread of found email

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

you can also use `View > Layout > Threaded` that does similar but is 
builtin.


It will show the message and mails with same thread id or subject.

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On 19 Apr 2018, at 22:02, Zvi Biener wrote:

This layout view is a hatchet job, but it works. For each selected 
message, it brings automatically brings up both the thread and all 
correspondence with the correspondent. Just be sure to set the font 
small enough on the thread and correspondence windows, select the 
columns that make sense (for the correspondence, I use subject and 
date; and for thread, I use from and date). It doesn't clear the 
search field, like you wanted, but it does give you immediate access 
to the info you need, without messing with the from field.


Z

On 19 Apr 2018, at 15:43, Filip Stokkeland wrote:


Hi!
When I search and find an interesting message, I'd like to read the 
other emails in that thread.
But if I clear the search field, the email I found and had selected, 
it disappears.
... Something obvious I'm missing? How can I just jump to the thread 
of the selected email, clearing the search?


Mailmate rocks! :)
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[MlMt] getting told I have 2 unsent messages but nothing in outbound

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I sent mail earlier but i think it got blocked due to too big image 
attachment.


I have the problem that when I close mailmate it tells me I have 2 unset 
messages - but I have nothing in outbound.


How do I find those 2 messages since I'm not inclined to just say "Yes" 
to send them as not sure whats actually in them ;)


Thanks,
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Re: [MlMt] default columns keep forgetting its state

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Crossing fingers, legs and toes :)

/max
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> On 6 Apr 2018, at 16:26, Benny Kjær Nielsen <mailingl...@freron.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4 Apr 2018, at 8:42, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> 
>> Had this issue again and just noticed its 1 year anniversary I asked how to 
>> reset the default columns.
>> 
>> Any hope on fixing this or if not add a button somewhere in preferences to 
>> manually and explicitly reset the settings ?
>> Something I think could be generally useful in case one have many folders 
>> and accidentally applied settings somewhere in the hierarchy and
>> can't find it ;)
> 
> Mailbox related states are pretty high on my list(s) now and at least I'm 
> pretty sure I know how I want to implement it. Hopefully it won't take 
> another year.
> 
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Re: [MlMt] default columns keep forgetting its state

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Had this issue again and just noticed its 1 year anniversary I asked how 
to reset the default columns.


Any hope on fixing this or if not add a button somewhere in preferences 
to manually and explicitly reset the settings ?
Something I think could be generally useful in case one have many 
folders and accidentally applied settings somewhere in the hierarchy and

can't find it ;)

p.s. I love mailmate!

/max
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On 3 Apr 2017, at 9:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 31 Mar 2017, at 21:42, Bill Cole wrote:

I think it's the same level of “bugginess” as it has been for a 
long time (too long). Resetting mailbox related states can be done 
like this:


defaults delete com.freron.MailMate MmMailboxRelatedStates


I THINK I've found a less aggressive solution that may help figuring 
out the mechanism of the bug...


Thanks for the details.

[...] In may case, that was "ALL MESSAGES" and the top-level view for 
my main account. [...]


I followed the same steps successfully on my other Mac, where only 
the top-level aggregate for my main account had the bad sticky 
layout. The implication seems to be that non-default column layouts 
are sometimes inherited from a parent or grandparent.


That is correct. In some cases this makes sense, e.g., if changing the 
settings for the Junk mailbox then you would want it to be inherited 
by the children when they do not have any explicit settings 
themselves. But your description indicates that this code is a bit too 
general.


(As previously stated I find the current system/implementation too 
buggy to salvage without a complete rewrite, but I'll use the above to 
check if some quick fixes/improvements are possible.)


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Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On a related note, I would like to register another vote in favor of 
Scott’s [Feature request - highlighting related messages in a 
thread](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg02687.html).


`View > Layout > Threaded` gets you very close to something like this 
feature IMO.


click a message and in the message view it will show all related/same 
subject mails.


/max




Your vote is noted :)

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Re: [MlMt] Does MailMate mirror everything back to the server?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
Just mentioning the above as the powers of imap are varied but I 
think you'll

find it beats any POP3 setup.


I'm trying to keep an open mind.  Just because I've done things one 
way for 25

years doesn't mean it's best (usually the opposite).

I tried IMAP a couple of years ago, and I just wasn't happy having to 
go onto
the server to get copies of emails I needed to look at again.  
MailMate would
allow me to find it on my hard drive, but then why do I need a copy 
sitting up
on the server?  This is obviously a philosophical question about 
approach to

email.


backup ?

for me I find it comforting I can drop my laptop into a metalcruncher 
and still

get to all my email.

Also used it a few times being able to use my phone or any webbrowser to 
check email

without having to have a fully loaded and configured laptop.

The need to access from more than one machine is a possibility in the 
future.
Maybe I could try to keep only emails from the last month or year on 
the
server and within MailMate.  Older stuff that I still want I could 
offload to
my main computer.  Elsewhere on this list, people have discussed 
archiving
emails.  DevonThink, EagleFiler, and Foxtrot were mentioned.  I could 
look

into some sort of approach using one of those.


I still haven't gotten anywhere near limits so i just let gmail contain 
it all ;)


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Re: [MlMt] Navigate in the arcs panel

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Use the threads view mode. 

It finds all messages with same thread or subject and works pretty well imo. 

/max
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> On 27 Dec 2017, at 08:49, Arnau Rebassa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>> 
>> This only happens if the message is not in the current mailbox (if I 
>> remember correctly). I guess there could be a setting to switch to the IMAP 
>> mailbox of the message (or maybe All Messages), but I'm not sure that's what 
>> you want.
> 
> I receive daily a lot of emails (hundreds each day) from “automated” sources 
> like monitoring systems, mailing lists, … To cope with it, I always read my 
> email in a smart mailbox (that excludes all the messages from the 
> aforementioned automated sources) that has a submailbox for each 
> “From->Name”. So all most of the messages are in different mailbox. What I’m 
> looking for is an easy way to read/see all the emails related to the current 
> email. The way I have found is using the arcs panel, but it’s not very 
> comfortable as every time I have to use the mouse and also it opens a new 
> window. 
> 
> Do you have any other suggestion?
>  
> Cheers!
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Re: [MlMt] New: Developer documentation for MailMate bundles

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

When I wrote the bundle there weren’t a “send no questions asked option” 
documented - Pull request very welcome :)

/max
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> On 19 Dec 2017, at 20:55, Padraic Renaghan <prena...@renaghan.com> wrote:
> 
> Automatically sends the unsubscribe email. I think the current one opens the 
> unsubscribe email in composer view. But mainly I just wanted to play around 
> with building a bundle ;-)
> 
> 
> 2017-12-19 14:49 EST from Max Rydahl Andersen:
> 
> Cool. How is it different/more automatic from the existing bundled one at 
> https://github.com/mailmate/MailMan.mmBundle ?
> 
> /max
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> 
> 
>> On 19 Dec 2017, at 19:40, Padraic Renaghan <prena...@renaghan.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Used the documentation and made a more automatic mailing list unsubscribe 
>> bundle.
>> 
>> For those interested:
>> 
>> https://github.com/prenagha/list-unsubscribe
>> 
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Re: [MlMt] New: Developer documentation for MailMate bundles

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Cool. How is it different/more automatic from the existing bundled one at 
https://github.com/mailmate/MailMan.mmBundle ?

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> On 19 Dec 2017, at 19:40, Padraic Renaghan  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Used the documentation and made a more automatic mailing list unsubscribe 
> bundle.
> 
> For those interested:
> 
> https://github.com/prenagha/list-unsubscribe
> 
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Re: [MlMt] Condition help

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Have you tried using the threaded view  ? it does that automatically per 
message.


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On 28 Nov 2017, at 15:56, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi Everyone,
I wonder if you could help me create a smart mailbox. I have messages 
in Mailbox A, but they are part of threads whose other messages are 
not in Mailbox A. If there a filter I can create that will take any 
message in Mailbox A, and then show all the messages that are threaded 
to it, whether they are in A or not?


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Re: [MlMt] Slow since HIgh Sierra upgrade?

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I sent Benny a sample and the latest test build now is fixed so I'm 
having a much faster mailmate now :)


Thanks Benny!
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On 13 Nov 2017, at 15:29, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 12 Nov 2017, at 2:08, Robert Brenstein wrote:


You can make a sample for me like this (while it's hanging):

sample MailMate 10 -f ~/Desktop/sample_mailmate.txt

I am not sure whether this is related to a specific message content. 
I just did a little testing and opening a reply for the same message 
is sometimes instant and sometimes I have to wait as described. The 
very long wait times as seldom but there were a few times that I have 
thought that MM hang up.


In those cases, try the statement I provided above and send me the 
resulting file (off list):


sample MailMate 10 -f ~/Desktop/sample_mailmate.txt

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Re: [MlMt] send and archive

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all my sent emails are in Sent Mail what other archive are you 
wanting ?


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On 3 Nov 2017, at 14:01, Brett Goldstein wrote:

I apologize as I am sure this has been answered.  One of my most 
common needs is “send and archive”.  I have been searching for how 
to do this in mailmate and haven’t been able to figure it out.


Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] Navigation throug all unread mails: "Single Key Read"

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On 2 Nov 2017, at 17:42, Andreas Borutta wrote:

Beeing able to browse through all unread messages with tapping the 
spacebar with my thumb.


What do you think about the feature? I like to suggest it as a wish.


I don't oppose such a feature. It's just tricky to implement :)

One way to do this would be to provide an option which makes 
“Next/Previous Unread Message” skip to next/previous mailbox when 
necessary. Do you think that would match your use case?


What I got today in my keyboard plist is:

```
"n"   = "nextMessage:";
"p"   = "previousMessage:";

	"N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline");	
	"P" = ("selectPreviousCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline");

```

This allows me to get close to the behaviour as once i'm at the end of a 
mailbox by pushing 'n' I just push 'N' to jump to the next folder that 
has a count (not necessarily just unread).


This works great for me, but it would be great to map space to combine 
those two:


```
" "   = ("nextMessageInNextCountedMailbox:", ...)
```

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[MlMt] how do i configure a hot key to run one of the bundle commands ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

i.e. I would like to just press "s" to store a mail via the org-mode 
with summary bundle ?


It is probably very obvious but didn't see it mention in docs about 
custom keybindings how you call bundle actions.


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Re: [MlMt] RSVP/respond to ical/.ics calendar invite?

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On 17 Oct 2017, at 23:46, Giovanni Lanzani wrote:


So as far as I can see, I'm left with this

On 17 Oct 2017, at 23:18, Giovanni Lanzani wrote:

- And how does mailmate parse the reply? For example the invite needs 
to be encoded in base64.


From your blog post I see that in 2014 only discard or action were 
supported. Is that still the case Benny?


Because otherwise there's not much this script can do, unless we defer 
sending the actual email to the script (which is still possible and 
easy in Python, but all the various user/password/server/port should 
be passed along as well).


are you looking for how to send back a reply ?

does this help: 
https://github.com/mailmate/MailMan.mmBundle/blob/master/Support/bin/approve


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Re: [MlMt] RSVP/respond to ical/.ics calendar invite?

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On 17 Oct 2017, at 23:18, Giovanni Lanzani wrote:


On 17 Oct 2017, at 22:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 14 Oct 2017, at 1:26, Jonas Kemper wrote:

Has anybody dealt with this before? My ideal scenario would be 
control elements to respond with "yes/no/maybe" in Mailmate whenever 
a meeting invite comes in.


It seems you got a couple of somewhat promising replies. I cannot 
offer to look into the RFCs and what exactly needs to be done to make 
this work, but if someone does this part of the work then I promise 
to help making it into a bundle including adding any features needed 
to do that.




Benny, I'm willing to give it a try. A couple of questions before 
beginning:


- How does the bundle call the script? What kind of information would 
be available and how are they passed? In particular I would need:

  - the email account this was sent to/the account that received it;
  - the attachment (i.e. the invite);
  - the status
  - optionally a remark.
- And how does mailmate parse the reply? For example the invite needs 
to be encoded in base64.
- Is there a preference for programming languages? I'm mostly familiar 
with Python.


ruby is what most command uses but anything default installed on osx is 
fine (which python are afaik).


about how commands call things then its fairly simple - the best article 
about I know is http://1klb.com/posts/2016/02/26/mailmate-bundles/


but in short using my org-mode bundle as example then you have:

A 
[plist](https://github.com/mailmate/org-mode.mmbundle/blob/master/info.plist) 
file to describe the extension - see the link above for how to make that


A 
[mmCommand](https://github.com/mailmate/org-mode.mmbundle/blob/master/Commands/Add%20With%20Summary.mmCommand) 
to define the action - here you'll see MM_* env vars being set using 
mail mates syntax for accessing elements. That is used to pass content 
to the scripts.
Since you need encoded you probably want to use "decoded" for how you 
want your input/output.


And then your [actual 
script](https://github.com/mailmate/org-mode.mmbundle/blob/master/Support/bin/add) 
which will be able to get the various MM_* vars.




You can all have a look 
[here](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4823574/sending-meeting-invitations-with-python) 
for a minimal Python implementation.


Replying is much easier though: you just need to change the content of 
one line of the invite (assuming no notes are added).


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Re: [MlMt] org-mode and MailMate links

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Yeah, it probably never worked - just didn't make the connection ;)

Enjoy Malta!

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On 17 Oct 2017, at 22:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 13 Oct 2017, at 14:08, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmOpenMessageURLInContext


okey, so I found what works and what does not.

`open ` works and opens in context, but using spotlight 
to find a message and pressing enter does not.


Any idea ?


Ah, I'm guessing that part probably never worked (essentially opening 
`.eml` files which is not quite the same thing). I'll note to look 
into fixing that.


Off topic: I'm on vacation this week (Malta) which means I'm a bit 
slow on replying to emails -- also on the list. Sorry in advance!


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Re: [MlMt] org-mode and MailMate links

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

okey, so I found what works and what does not.

`open ` works and opens in context, but using spotlight to 
find a message and pressing enter does not.


Any idea ?

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On 9 Oct 2017, at 18:31, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


On 9 Oct 2017, at 11:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:06, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


`MmOpenMessageURLInContext`


for what it is worth - this setting only seemed to work for a few 
messages and now

its back to old behaviour of opening just the message.


Are you sure about this? It appears to still work for me. Just to 
make sure, try this:


defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmOpenMessageURLInContext
	open 
"message://%3cc4f5ffc4-7d05-4e66-b7e4-8dda071b2...@gmail.com%3e"


well *That* worked.

I'll keep an eye out if it stops working :)

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Re: [MlMt] org-mode and MailMate links

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 9 Oct 2017, at 11:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:06, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


`MmOpenMessageURLInContext`


for what it is worth - this setting only seemed to work for a few 
messages and now

its back to old behaviour of opening just the message.


Are you sure about this? It appears to still work for me. Just to make 
sure, try this:


defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmOpenMessageURLInContext
open "message://%3cc4f5ffc4-7d05-4e66-b7e4-8dda071b2...@gmail.com%3e"


well *That* worked.

I'll keep an eye out if it stops working :)

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Re: [MlMt] org-mode and MailMate links

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

for what it is worth - this setting only seemed to work for a few 
messages and now

its back to old behaviour of opening just the message.

i'm on Version 2.0BETA (6092)

/max

awesome! I set it already in hope i'll get a good surprise next time I 
have

an update :)

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Benny Kjær Nielsen 
<mailingl...@freron.com>

wrote:


On 25 Sep 2017, at 9:26, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

on the topic of opening message urls - any way to have mailmate open 
the
mail up its "source folder" and especially have it work with Threaded 
mode

so one get the context of the mail ?

At the moment I always have to do Alt+Option+S on the message which 
gets

tedious plus it means I add 2 extra tabs to just open one message.

Yes, there's clearly some things which could work better here -- or 
at
least be more configurable (this is not the only place where a 
message

should, at least optionally, be opened in context).

For now, I've added this preference for you:

defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmOpenMessageURLInContext -bool 
YES


It should work in the next update.

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Re: [MlMt] Slow since HIgh Sierra upgrade?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Does that mean if I turn of preview or markdown fully it would be faster or ?



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> On 6 Oct 2017, at 10:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen  wrote:
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2017, at 21:10, Max Andersen wrote:
>> 
>> i can confirm im seeing significant slowdown lately and i'm on High Sierra 
>> for the last week.
> 
> Sorry to hear that. In Simon's case it appears to be related to the use of 
> inlining CSS when composing emails, that is, MailMate is slow when replying 
> and/or editing emails. If your issue is more general then we can debug off 
> list.
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Re: [MlMt] org-mode and MailMate links

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 21 Sep 2017, at 15:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 20 Sep 2017, at 17:53, Robert Goldman wrote:

I couldn't find with Google a way to configure org-mode to open 
MailMate's message links.


If you use the “Default Email Client” popup in the General 
preferences pane of MailMate then MailMate should always be chosen by 
the system to open `message:` URLs.


You might also want to know about [this 
bundle](https://github.com/lchausmann/mailmate-to-orgmode).


on the topic of opening message urls - any way to have mailmate open the 
mail up its "source folder" and especially have it work with Threaded 
mode so one get the context of the mail ?


At the moment I always have to do Alt+Option+S on the message which gets 
tedious plus it means I add 2 extra tabs to just open one message.


With hope,
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[MlMt] regression on the togglefilterkey ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

Back from two weeks vacation and i'm noticing that ( "toggleFilterKey:", 
"unread" ); is now not showing the latest unread state. It seem to show 
the state from before I read some mails.


Let me try explain:

I have a smart folder with lets say 100 messages, 20 is unread. When I 
select it I see all 100 messages, 20 are in bold - all good.


I started reading some of the bold ones, lets say 5 of them, so I should 
have 100 messages, 15 unread.


Now I press "x" (the key I have toggleFilterKey set up for) and it shows 
me a list of 20 messages - 15 bold.


In the past I would get just the 15 remaining.

I do actually get those 15 if I select some other folder and then go 
back to the original folder.


Pretty annoying as having to unselect/select the folder to get the right 
result gets rather tedious.


Hope it makes sense - thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] Generating message:// links

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Alt+C gives You various options incl. Copy link to Messages. 

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> On 10 Sep 2017, at 01:44, Tim Liner  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to generate a link to a particular email in MailMate?
> 
> From what I understand, some apps that are integrated with MailMate use the 
> message:// protocol to do that, but I’m having a hard time finding a way to 
> generate those links in the documentation or the UI.
> 
> Thanks,
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[MlMt] clicking on threaded conversations messages dissapear

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

I think there is a bad regression in latest updates of mailmate.

When I browse messages in Threaded view the messages simply disappear.

Here is a video of it https://v.usetapes.com/3HF6B7E10P

Instead of just going unread they vanish. What is worse is they show up 
again even if I reload the thread ;/


Help :)

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Re: [MlMt] Calendar Events

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi Dmitry,

Not solving your specific ask but unless your calendar is only locally 
on your machine you
and the recipients are much better of just adding those persons to the 
invite as otherwise they don't get future updates.


That said I just tried using "Mail Event..." from Busycal and I ended up 
with both text and attachment of the .ics so it works for me.


/max


Hello all,

I'm having a bit of a challenge as a new MailMate user.

I used to be able to click on events in Calendar, right click that is, 
and
select "mail event". In Mail.app that yielded a new message with an 
.ics
file attached. This file can be clicked on (on the other recipients 
side)
so that the event would be added to the calendar. With MailMate, when 
I do

the same set of tasks, I end up with just that text that tells me the
particulars of the event. No ICS file.

I'd like to include the ICS file for other party's convenience. What 
can I

do to enable this in mail mate?

Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] Grouping messages by pattern ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 6 Jun 2017, at 15:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 1 Jun 2017, at 8:01, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

By using mailbox name format `${subject.body/.*?:(.*?)@.*/$1/}` I can 
get to this:


...

I'm wondering if a "group by unique name" or something similar could 
be possible under sub mailboxes ?


For this to work, you need a custom specifier which parses the part of 
the subject line you need. That'll make it available in all parts of 
MailMate (including conditions and rules). I believe something similar 
has been done in the past. For example, read through [this 
thread](https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2014-March/002229.html).


ha! that actually works.

one question - for now it seems I'm forced to edit the bundled 
specifiers.plist to add specifiers to i.e. "subject.body" ?


i.e. I can't just add this to `~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/specifers.plist`:


```
invites = {
headers = "subject.body";
specifierRegex = '(.*?):(.*?)@(.*)';
specifierCaptures = {
1 = { specifier = "invite-action"; };
2 = { specifier = "invite-title"; };
3 = { specifier = "invite-time"; };
};
   };
```

I have to add this to the bundled: 
`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/OakMIME.framework/Versions/A/Resources/specifers.plist`


```
subject = {
[...]
specifierCaptures = {
[...]
  4 = { specifier = "body"; type="noTabs"; parsers = ( "words", 
"invites" ); };

[...]
};
[...]
invites = {
specifierRegex = '(.*?):(.*?)@(.*)';
specifierCaptures = {
1 = { specifier = "invite-action"; };
2 = { specifier = "invite-title"; };
3 = { specifier = "invite-time"; };
};
   };
```

notice the `parsers` now have "invites".

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Re: [MlMt] Gmail authorization and more

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I only got one system - I can try once its in 60xx ;)
/max

No problem. I have the other branch in use on my home system… can 
test there tonight.


v


On 28 Apr 2017, at 10:45, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:41, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

Is this not in the 2.x beta series? I’m getting “MailMate r6082 
is the latest version available—you have r6082.”


Sorry, it might only be on the 53xx branch (I'm not quite sure). I'll 
see if I can get updates out (for both branches) -- at least 
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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard Shortcut to open current message in another smart mailbox?

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On 15 Mar 2017, at 23:14, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 10 Mar 2017, at 19:44, Mike Petonic wrote:

My use-case is the following.  I have several smart mailboxes set up 
to contain the inbox of my (up to 5 accounts).


Sounds a bit like those smart mailboxes should be based on the default 
universal “Inbox” provided.


Sometimes, when I'm in one of those mailboxes, I would like to press 
a key (or invoke a Bundle Command -- I'm handy with scripts and have 
written a bundle in the past) to show that currently selected message 
in my "All Messages" smart mailbox.  This way, I can look at all 
related messages that perhaps span the Inbox/Trash/Sent-Messages 
folders within that account.


Is this possible?


You could also use the "Threaded" layout which has a view that shows all 
related messages automatically :)


/max



I'm afraid not, but you might get something useful with the 
`showThread:` or `showCorrespondence:` [key binding 
selectors](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/key_binding_selectors).


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[MlMt] default columns keep forgetting its state

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

Im back to having to keep changing "date received" to "Date received 
(relative)" on almost every mailbox again.


No matter of "set default columns" seem to fix this.

Any reminders on how to fix this again or is it a regression?

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Re: [MlMt] bundle for org-mode and how to handle user settings ?

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On 24 Feb 2017, at 13:58, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


On 24 Feb 2017, at 13:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Feb 2017, at 10:57, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

Last night I made an initial version of a bundle for capture mails 
to an org-mode inbox.


You can try it out here: 
https://github.com/maxandersen/org-mode.mmbundle


I'm not sure how wide-spread the use of `org-mode` is, but if the 
bundle has at least a few users then I'll add it to default set of 
bundles (if you don't mind) :)


sure, no problem. I made it to be used by others :)

Let me add the preference for selecting a location first - i'll let 
you know.


Benny - I added the dialog to ask on first run so its ready for broader 
use.


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Re: [MlMt] bundle for org-mode and how to handle user settings ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Yes I considered that but the amount of setup is just too much and on top of 
that I can't get Emacs server to reliably connect. 

We could merge the two :)

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> On 24 Feb 2017, at 13:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen <mailingl...@freron.com> wrote:
> 
> On 24 Feb 2017, at 10:57, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> 
> Last night I made an initial version of a bundle for capture mails to an 
> org-mode inbox.
> 
> You can try it out here: https://github.com/maxandersen/org-mode.mmbundle
> 
> I'm not sure how wide-spread the use of org-mode is, but if the bundle has at 
> least a few users then I'll add it to default set of bundles (if you don't 
> mind) :)
> 
> Question though:
> 
> This bundle appends to my specific location of org files: 
> ~/Dropbox/notes/inbox.org
> I'm wondering if there is a way to handle custom variables like this in 
> mailmate bundles ?
> 
> like a convention or way to ask for input or similar ?
> 
> The “Todoist” bundle has something like this. It uses defaults to write/read 
> a setting and it uses AppleScript to ask for its value (a string token for 
> the Todoist server API). You can also use AppleScript to ask for a filepath 
> (I don't think there is an example of a bundle command doing that).
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Re: [MlMt] bundle for org-mode and how to handle user settings ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 24 Feb 2017, at 13:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Feb 2017, at 10:57, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

Last night I made an initial version of a bundle for capture mails to 
an org-mode inbox.


You can try it out here: 
https://github.com/maxandersen/org-mode.mmbundle


I'm not sure how wide-spread the use of `org-mode` is, but if the 
bundle has at least a few users then I'll add it to default set of 
bundles (if you don't mind) :)


sure, no problem. I made it to be used by others :)

Let me add the preference for selecting a location first - i'll let you 
know.



Question though:

This bundle appends to my specific location of org files: 
`~/Dropbox/notes/inbox.org`
I'm wondering if there is a way to handle custom variables like this 
in mailmate bundles ?


like a convention or way to ask for input or similar ?


The [“Todoist” 
bundle](https://github.com/mailmate/todoist.mmbundle/tree/master/Support/bin) 
has something like this. It uses `defaults` to write/read a setting 
and it uses AppleScript to ask for its value (a string token for the 
Todoist server API). You can also use AppleScript to ask for a 
filepath (I don't think there is an example of a bundle command doing 
that).


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Benny
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[MlMt] bundle for org-mode and how to handle user settings ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

Last night I made an initial version of a bundle for capture mails to an 
org-mode inbox.


You can try it out here: 
https://github.com/maxandersen/org-mode.mmbundle


Question though:

This bundle appends to my specific location of org files: 
`~/Dropbox/notes/inbox.org`
I'm wondering if there is a way to handle custom variables like this in 
mailmate bundles ?


like a convention or way to ask for input or similar ?

Otherwise I'm planning to add a ~/.org-mode/mmate.yml which I would read 
to get the settings -

but seem it could be done more generically.

Maybe mailmate could have a file ~/.mmate/user-settings.plist which 
would be read into environment variables

for the commands to share/use ?

/max
http://about.me/maxandersen
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