Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


On 15 November 2018, at 0825, Stephen Chong wrote:

It's a freemium model. You can use the app without paying anything. 
The free version works well. The premium version is more a way to 
support the developer and help keep the app up to date. See 
https://preside.io/PremiumFAQ.html.



Yeah - I should have called that out -- for me, this is a no-brainer.  I 
became a MailMate Patron the day Benny announced it.


I exist inside email for much of my work, and to help make certain that 
developers have a bit of regular income to keep them inspired -- 
completely worth it for me.


Generally, not a fan of subscriptions, but, for something that I use for 
many hours per day, I make it work.


I'll be reaching out to the Preside developers today with feedback on 
some bugs/quirks I've found overnight, but, to finally have a mobile way 
to manage/sort/filter my MailMate email tags, aa.


Scott

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[MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi all,

My apologies for those who already know this, but, last night I stumbled 
across an iOS app that matches many of MailMate's features, but, 
obviously, works mobile.


MailMate is absolutely the only email client for me at my desktop, but, 
there are things I sometimes must do on my iPhone or iPad that are 
tricky to do with the standard Mail.app client there.


The client I found:

https://preside.io

Now, the UI may not appeal to all, but, it is incredibly flexible, with 
a huge array of configuration options to suit many needs.


For me, the highlight was:  It works seamlessly with MailMate IMAP tags 
(as stored on FastMail, at least).


There are all sorts of things like Smart Folders, integration with 
helper apps, quick filtering, configurable buttons, its own S/MIME 
certificate management, and so on.


Just wanted to share this as I figured others in this community may be 
interested.  Preside very much feels like a "power user" mail app, just 
as I see MailMate to be.


Mobile will not be replacing desktop for me anytime soon - but to at 
least be able to access many of the power features MailMate has enabled 
for me over the years whilst mobile was a huge win.


Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] moving tags to new laptop

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Eric,


Hi, I’m the happy recipient of a shiny new laptop and am configuring 
MailMate for it.  Unhappily, I’m finding none of the many tags 
I’ve set on messages on my old laptop are visible on the new one.  I 
guess that means none of my IMAP servers support saving tags.


Is there a way I can copy the tags over?  Where are they stored on the 
client?



I regularly do this by copying the file:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Tags.plist

To new systems, or, between home/work, to keep them in sync.  I make 
sure MailMate is not running anywhere when I copy the file, as well.


It's worked well for a few years, so far!

Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] Copying a message

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


Since MailMate doesn't have a way to export email to a standard 
format


Umm... I don't believe that to be true.


Sorry - I was mixing up my directionality.

I know about, and use, all of the methods you mention -- but the 
Keyboard Maestro macros are still something I've been making heavy use 
of (for my particular work flow which required the automation and 
variables/etc).


MailMate is focussed on IMAP as a way to get mail, rather than locally 
managed mailboxes on a local system (that Mail.app does).


That's the bit I was thinking of with respect to the complexities 
(Maildir vs. mbox vs whatever).


Again, not a gripe at all.  It's come up on the list many times over the 
years, and I know a number of people use things like DevonThink or their 
own local IMAP server to simulate the use of local mailboxes.


The Import Messages feature works well for certain use cases, but not 
all.


Thanks to Bill for summarising some of the other ways to 
dump/export/save a specific message.


Cheers,

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Re: [MlMt] Copying a message

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Michael,


I sometimes want to copy a message and paste it into another 
application (usually OmniOutliner, sometimes a plain-text document) -- 
basically something similar to what you might expect if you typed 
command-c when a message is selected in the message list and content 
was copied to the clipboard so that it can be pasted elsewhere.  I'd 
like to get both the basic headers (from, to, subject, date) and the 
body, preferring plain-text formatting.  There doesn't seem to be a 
built-in MailMate command to do this, unless I'm just overlooking 
something really obvious.  Is there a way?  Failing that, has anyone 
implemented anything like this already, perhaps in the form of a 
bundle?  I looked through https://github.com/mailmate but nothing 
looks like like it would do it.





Since MailMate doesn't have a way to export email to a standard format 
(not a gripe, I understand the headaches that come with that), I've 
solved this sort of thing via one of two paths:


1)  Using the MailMate built-in "Show in Finder" command.  This gives 
you the .eml file.  You can now "do stuff" with that EML file, which may 
suffice.


2)  Increasingly, I've been using Keyboard Maestro to create automation 
flows like you mention above.
	For example, I've created a Macro that is only active in MailMate that 
will select the current message, then select the Show Raw Message 
option.
	From there, Keyboard Maestro copies all of the text into a named 
clipboard (or system clipboard) and then activates Sublime Text.
	KM then pastes into Sublime Text and creates a few variables:  It 
extracts the Subject from the headers, as well as today's date and the 
Date header from the email.
	KM can then save the message and use the variables created in the 
previous step to create a useful filename, saving the file as a .eml to 
a standardised place for my workflows.


The second way is a lot more involved, possibly overkill, but, it does 
permit essentially "one button" activation of a macro that creates a 
file that I can then immediately import into OmniOutliner or anything 
else that reads .eml on macOS.


Not quite the same as a Bundle approach, but, since I've been doing more 
and more with Keyboard Maestro, it was pretty easy to do.


The resulting .eml works fine as an item in OmniOutliner, and clicking 
on it opens the message within the app.


What I haven't really tried to test is how that works with loads of 
attachments -- but, in theory, it should work the same as using the .eml 
file directly from Show In Finder.


Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] Tag completion upper/lower case confusion

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Benny,



On 29 August 2018, at 2341, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Aug 2018, at 18:37, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Unfortunately, I just encountered issue #1 again, exactly as 
originally described:


Ok, let me know if you find a series of steps which reproduces this. 
Maybe with the next test release since I've fixed a couple of other 
issues (which I don't *think* is related to this problem).



For what it is worth, this is the same issue that I reported on the 23rd 
of January of this year, and it still is just as prevalent today.


Once MailMate gets stuck with the case sensitivity and 
auto-complete/matching, the only way to "clear" the state is to quit and 
restart.


I can reproduce this 100% of the time.

If I have a tag such as "ML:Fubar" and I start typing "Ml" it may show 
up correctly with auto-capitalisation on the L once, but, after a few 
backspaces and trying again, MailMate will force the capitalisation to 
"Ml" not ML, and won't match any tags.


It seems to get stuck in this mode until quit/restart; I assign tags 
with the capitalisation I want by using the menus and whatnot, but, I 
can no longer type them with the case I want -- it just gets wedged in 
forcibly changing the case to the wrong value.


My preference would be that at least optionally, once a tag is defined, 
case sensitivity for matching should be ignored and MailMate should only 
suggest tags in their stored/saved values, unless an entirely NEW value 
is being entered.  That is, once it's clear that no matches match, it 
should allow the capitalisation to be as the user types it in.


I realise that may not be possible, but, certainly if there is a 
matching tag, it shouldn't get confused about case when there IS a match 
and NOT match because the auto-corrected case isn't matching the case of 
the saved/existing tag value.


Regards,

Scott


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[MlMt] Forwarding as attachment corrupts attachments (in some cases).

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I've been banging my head against the proverbial wall on this one and 
was wondering if it's Just Me or not.


Over the last few weeks I've noticed that if I receive an email which 
contains attachments, and then attempt to forward that same email *as* 
an attachment (Message -> Forward as Attachment) that the attachment(s) 
become corrupt and are unable to be opened by the recipient.


I am able to replicate this, but not 100% of the time.  I have noticed 
that when it fails, I can usually detect the failure by checking the 
attachment size of the message as-arrived to me, and, the size that 
MailMate (Version 2.0BETA (6110)) reports in the compose window, or, the 
size of the attachments after they're sent and arrive at the destination 
mailbox.


For example, a simple screenshot I sent myself contained a 1.2MB 
attachment (as reported in MailMate in the message view window).


If I then forward that as an attachment, the attachment size increases 
to 2.1MB.  But not always.  When this size discrepancy appears, I know 
the receiving end won't be able to open the attached image (even though 
MailMate displays the attached email message, and the attachment 
name/type for preview/save).


If I simply forward that same message (but not as an attachment), it 
stays working, 100% of the time.


In looking at raw messages that I can't open, it does appear that 
something has gone amiss with the process.


My *guess* here is that it is something to do with Office365 being 
involved.


From a message (received, working attachment) I see that MS has 
injected a load of cruft around the MIME parts:


--=_MailMate_BA273722-4B6C-42F7-9B20-E82276673846_=
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Test Image.png"
Content-Type: image/png
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics:
1;SY2PR01MB2683;27:R6tmwluRy+z 
X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info:
MNMPy5SSb41Wk0Z1QZbp/1S7U5 

iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAABLYAAAN2CAYAAADkKQCvAAAKrGlDQ1BJQ0MgUHJvZmlsZQAASImV
lgdUU1kax+97L73QAqFD6E26QADpNYQmHWyEhBJKCAlBRVRUxBEcCyIiWNGhiIJjAWRQEVFsg4IK
9gEZVNRxsGBDZR+whJnds7tn/+fcvN/58t3vfve9e8/5A0C5zREK02E5ADIE2aIwP09GTGwcA/8E

and so on.

However, on the system that receives the corrupted attachment(s), those 
MIME bits are the same, but it appears that the attachment itself is the 
raw data of the PNG file (sort of), rather than being encoded.


=89PNG=0D
=1A
=00=00=00=0DIHDR=00=00=04=B6=00=00=03v=08=06=00=00=00=E4)=00=AF=00=00
=ACiCCPICC 
Profile=00=00H=89=95=96=07TSY=1A=C7=EF{/=BD=D0=02=A1C=E8M=BA@=00=

=E95=84&=1Dl=84=84=12J=08   AETT=C4=11=1C=0B""X=D1=A1=88=82c=01dP=11Ql=83=82=



And so on.

Is it just me?  This used to work, but, I don't know whether something 
has changed with MM, Microsoft, or solar flares...


Thanks,

Scott

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[MlMt] Changing the quoted line character.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I was certain this was discussed in the past, but, I couldn't find it in 
the mail archives anywhere, nor the hidden preferences.


One of the (infinite) infuriating things about Outlook seems to be that 
when it receives email where quoted lines in replies are prefaced with 
">" it will effectively ignore the characters and only create a mild 
indentation on the screen of the unfortunate Outlook user.


Is there a way to change this in MailMate so that some other 
symbol/character is used?  I think that the HTML composer uses something 
that looks like a |, which would probably be okay.


In manual testing, Outlook actually displayed that character, which is 
good.


As it is, when I reply to emails that end up with Outlook users, they 
look like this on the Outlook side:


---
On 17 March 2018, at 1001, ! Test Mail box wrote:

Testing back and forth.

Are we ready to go?


Looking good...Maybe.
---

Where as, what I *sent* was:


---
On 17 March 2018, at 1001, ! Test Mail box wrote:


Testing back and forth.

Are we ready to go?



Looking good...Maybe.
---


Just wondering what the best way is of maintaining proper inline 
quotation, which renders sanely.


Thanks,

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] command-return to send

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


On 7 March 2018, at 1627, Randy Bush wrote:


i have "Special" in Prefs/General/CustomKeyBindings, which is enabled

% cat ~/Library/Application\ 
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/Special.plist

"@\U000D"   = "send:";




Not sure if this helps, but, for the last few years my plist has had:

"@\U000A" = "send:"; // command return
"@\U000D" = "send:"; // command enter


My sense is that return!=enter; my plist entries seem to do the "right 
thing" and command-return is what sends.


Which is, hopefully, what I'm about to prove to myself...

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


On 17 May 2017, at 0531, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

I will note that I turned on 2FA long ago, and I've had zero trouble 
with MailMate and its app-specific password.  You set it up once; 
after that, it just works.



Echoing Steve here.

I use several platforms which make use of per-app passwords, and 
MailMate with Apple's 2FA and per-app password support has been easy; 
FastMail have it as well.


I would recommend a good password manager though.  I use 1Password, 
which helps me organise this quite nicely.  Each platform with 
application specific passwords is a separate entity in my data, and I 
make a new "Password" item within that entity for each of the 
Applications.


MailMate has worked fine with this setup.  Only took a few minutes to 
set up with 1P.


Absolutely worth it given the importance of email, and how compromising 
an email credential is often a gateway to the compromise of 
$everything_else.


Scott

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[MlMt] Trash or Deleted Messages?

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

This is one that has been bugging me for a while and I keep pushing it 
to the back burner, only to have it flare up at inconvenient times..


I use:

o  OS X
o  iOS
o  Fastmail

I am pretty sure there are others on this list who do the same.

What is the "right" way to configure MailMate (and, by association, 
Mail.app on OS X and iOS) so that deleting a message puts it into the 
right folder such that all of the various interacting software see that 
folder as the rubbish bin and treat it as such?


Some of my configs seem to be using a Deleted Messages folder, others 
are using Trash; I'm hoping to go with what should be the "default" but 
I'm sensing that there's a fundamental difference between these 
systems...


Ta,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Kee,


On 22 September 2016, at 0728, Kee Hinckley wrote:


I sent the following message:

```
From: "Kee Hinckley" 
To: metadatasupp...@tivo.com
Subject: The 16x9 Series Image for "Difficult People" does not include 
the

 title text
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:37:26 -0700
Message-ID: <225b4f26-6097-4da6-9abd-8fa7d813b...@tivo.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_MailMate_AC3B2727-7876-41A9-A2F9-BAB06F89D205_="
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6056)

```

But it didn't go out via my TiVo account. The next day when I was 
wondering why I didn't get a reply, I discovered it in the outbox for 
one of my Google accounts, not in my TiVo outbox. And when I talked to 
the folks I sent it to, they confirmed that they received it from the 
Google address.___



I have been meaning to mention this one for a while.  I have this happen 
all the time.


The easiest way to replicate it is for me to click on a mailto: URL 
somewhere.  MailMate will then generate a new message which is often, 
but not always, from the first account listed in my list of accounts.  
If I change the "From" address, it does NOT change the account through 
which it is sent.  I am typically reminded of this when I get an error 
from Apple about how I'm not permitted to send from some other domain 
via my iCloud account and it rejects the message.


So there does seem to be some sort of a disconnect between what the From 
address is exiting MailMate and the actual account used for SMTP.


It may well be this is somehow linked to what you've seen here.

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



On 2 September 2016, at 1646, Richard Rettke wrote:


On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:02, Kee Hinckley k...@hinckley.com  wrote:

I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps 
accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times 
today. Has anyone else had any issues?


I've been watching this thread since it started and feeling fortunate 
that I have not had any issues with 10 gmail accounts I have.


So I'm sitting in front of my Mac when all of a sudden at 0127 i 
received emails and text messages from google on 5 of the accounts. 
The messages read as follows;


_Hi Richard,_

_Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google 
Account xxx...@gmail.com, using an application such as an email 
client or mobile device._





[ snip ]

I also have a number of Gmail accounts configured for MailMate, and 
until this morning, no problem at all.


Then, rather swiftly, all of my accounts started having the same issue 
as previously discussed by others.


This leads me to believe that either Google had an "issue" with their 
OAuth token handling, or, they have been deploying something in 
different regions over the course of the last few days.


One thing that triggered the same issue as you, Richard, was deployment 
of IPv6 support.  Depending on $factors, sometimes my systems would be 
able to get an IPv6 connection to Gmail, other times it would only be 
IPv4 - but some IPv6 changes at my provider level also meant that every 
few hours I'd be getting a new /56 delegation (annoying) which resulted 
in lots of those sorts of messages.


Not sure if that's in any way related to what's been going on with 
MailMate and Gmail the last few days -- my sense is that it's something 
at the Google end.


After upgrading to the latest beta, and re-authenticating all of my 
accounts, the prompts have gone away.


Scott
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[MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Whilst doing some testing I sent a number of messages to a temporary 
address which has since been learned by MailMate as a known-recipient -- 
thus, whenever I start typing the first few letters of that address, the 
autocomplete pops up with that as a suggestion.


How can I erase that learned entry?  It clashes with another address I 
use more frequently (which is a "Group" I've defined in Address Book), 
which is now more awkward to get to due to the similarity in the names.


Mail.app lets you edit known recipients to clear things like this up, 
but, I'm not sure where to go in MailMate to do the same...and I'd 
prefer not to forget *all* learned addresses, but if that's the only 
way, I can probably live with that as well.


Thanks,

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] NUL character warnings (v5246)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



Yes, I got it at least twice in the last few days. Also with FastMail. 
It happened when I would try to send a message.


Quitting and relaunching MailMate fixed it and allowed the message to 
be sent (I think I had FastMail open in the browser in the background 
and could see that the message was sent only after relaunching).



My fix is typically to delete the offending message from my Sent Items 
list in MailMate, and then quit/restart and synchronise the mailbox, or, 
I will export the messages (this morning it was five or six messages) 
into an "mbox" format, then delete them from MailMate, quit MailMate, 
then use Mail.app to re-import them to IMAP (works fine), and re-start 
MailMate.


Not ideal, but, it prevents me losing mail.

(If it matters, Benny, I tend to use command-return as a shortcut to 
send messages)


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[MlMt] NUL character warnings (v5246)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

For the last few days I've been getting a LOT of these:

Server response: “I71 NO Message contains NUL characters”. Command 
attempted: “I71 APPEND "INBOX.Sent Items" (\Seen) "20-May-2016 
08:01:30 +1000" {696+}”.


The IMAP server is FastMail, but the problem only started happening 
after a recent update in the last week.


I had this issue in the past, and I know roughly how to fix it, but, not 
really sure what's repeatedly causing it.


Anyone else seeing this?

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] From vs. Sender

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



It's not clear to me that MailMate misbehaves though. This is also 
supported by the comment in the headers you provided:


Comments: Did not say From: u...@company.com at sender's request

This appears to mean that the sender did this intentionally.


I'm not sure that is as literal as it may appear.  ;-)  It's a Mailman 
mailing list and the "Comments" value is the same (except for the 
username) for everyone that this is happening to.


I'm not sure if it's a Mailman setting, for example, that's causing 
this.  Since the clients are varied, and OS X Mail.app certainly doesn't 
have an option that I know of here, my hunch has been Mailman + 
MailMate's interpretation.




Any way to get the u...@company.com to be recognised here?


I guess it would be best if both addresses were easily accessible...


It would be handy; as it is, I have to View Raw Message to figure out 
who sent something, extract the email address, and reply to that rather 
than the other values.


Regards,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] From vs. Sender

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


On 10 March 2016, at 0305, Kee Hinckley wrote:


I got a very confusing mail message today.




I get this happening all the time with MailMate, but, it's not related 
to Exchange invitations.  Indeed, I've no idea what is causing it, but 
the relevant headers are:


From: mail-l...@domain.com (u...@company.com)
To: "mailingl...@domain.com" 
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104)
X-MS-Exchange-Messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-Fromentityheader: Hosted
Sender: mail-l...@domain.com
Errors-To: mail-l...@domain.com
List-Post: 
Comments: Did not say From: u...@company.com at sender's request


Obviously, I've modified from the original, but, the result is the same 
- MailMate displays the "From" as "mail-l...@domain.com" rather than the 
actual user who sent the message.  In my case, Sender is also not the 
actual user's address.


Curiously, FastMail sees u...@company.com for the sending address, as 
does Mail.app - it's only MailMate which seems to get slightly confused.


If I try to reply to these messages, the reply doesn't go to the user in 
MailMate, but does in FastMail/Mail.app/etc.


Any way to get the u...@company.com to be recognised here?

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] THANKS!

[Scott A. McIntyre]

It doesn't display the folder names under Virtual Mailboxes for me 
when the virtual mailbox is for Unread messages.





This is due to something changing in how the Submailboxes of Smart 
Mailboxes are displayed.


Until 5520, I had a Submailbox based on "Source" and the format was:

${#source.path.noinbox}

However, the ".noinbox" isn't recognised for some reason, so, changing 
the Submailbox to be based on Source -> Path, and modifying the format 
to:


${#source.path}

At least lets me see the values again.

Just a quick workaround...

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] THANKS!

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

It is about time I thank Benny *again* for the excellent support and 
cooperation.


As some of you know, I started a discussion on this list regarding 
startup times being long. After testin, debugging, dumping, debugging 
and logging some more Benny now have a release of the code that do 
have optimizations and better code for the queries made for virtual 
mailboxes. As some of you thought, yes, that was the issue. Triggered 
by the combination of my large mailboxes and heavy use of virtual 
mailboxes. At the same time, a few more things where fixed -- as 
always.


I am now on Version 1.9.4 (5220) and I can recommend it! It rulez!



Outstanding, as always.

Best email application I've used and incredible support.

One glitch, however, with 5220:

It doesn't display the folder names under Virtual Mailboxes for me when 
the virtual mailbox is for Unread messages.


See screenshot.

Tried restarting MailMate, no joy.

Just a heads up for those of you who are living on the bleeding edge.

Cheers,

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Re: [MlMt] Quick-search feature request.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Thomas,


On 28 January 2016, at 0921, Thomas Grundberg wrote:


2016-01-27 kl 22:13 skrev Scott A. McIntyre:

Whilst I can do this by using the search box and just the email 
address, I was hoping to do it by simply clicking on an email address 
in an already open message.


Maybe this is not exactly what you want, but a handy feature is to 
[right-click (ctrl-click) the sender’s name in the list 
pane](http://grundberg.se/temp/minim_deserunt.png).



That is handy, yes, wasn't aware of that, and it may well work, as it 
does have the From/To option there.  I'll use this in the meantime, 
thanks!


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[MlMt] Quick-search feature request.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

One of the things I often need to do is determine if I've ever received, 
or sent, email to a particular address.


Whilst I can do this by using the search box and just the email address, 
I was hoping to do it by simply clicking on an email address in an 
already open message.


Right now, if I click on the From address, MailMate will ONLY look for 
messages from that email address.  For the subject, it looks for all 
messages "related to" that address.


And, of course, clicking on the To address looks for other messages to 
that same address.


What I'd like, is a way to perhaps option-click on an address and have 
anything to/from it be found.  Or some sort of a toggle to change the 
default click behaviour from "just from" to "to or from"...etc.  As I 
say, I know this can easily be done by using the search features, but I 
was looking for a quick one-click solution here, if possible.


Is there already a way to do this and I've missed it?

Ta,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] r5175 launch time.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,




But it's quite alright if you don't have time for that :-)


I believe I found an issue which would explain the slower launch times 
in recent test releases. Please try again with r5179 and let me know.



Yep, something you did definitely improved things.  r5180 took only 8 
seconds to re-launch *and* display the main window.   Much, much better.


Thanks!

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[MlMt] r5175 launch time.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I managed to not update a few alpha releases in a row, but, between the 
last beta and r5175 "something happened" and launching MailMate now 
takes well over a minute before the main window appears.


Not sure what is causing it, but, from the time the icon starts bouncing 
until the window appears is about 1 minute 15 seconds on my MacPro and 
RiMac; both of which were launching significantly faster until this (or 
a recent) update.  It takes about a full minute *after* the icon stops 
bouncing ...


Not sure if it's Just Me or not, but, it has been 100% repeatable across 
two systems.


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Re: [MlMt] Escaping from a search returns to the last message in a folder.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


If I search for something, either using the search box in the corner, 
or, clicking on something like a subject or a sender in a currently 
displayed mail - then when I then type "escape" to exit out of the 
search-view, I'm returned to the very first message of my inbox.




I think this has always been the case and its not new. To rephrase, if 
you search and read old mails, then hit "escape", then you remain on 
that old mail, but without the search interface. If you want to go 
back to the top of the list of mails, then you have to scroll up. 
Frankly, in some cases I find it useful since you are left in the 
context of that old mail, but yeah, sometimes you are done with old 
mail and want to get back to the new...



Not quite.

It literally goes to the very first message in my inbox for the account 
that I started the search from - it doesn't stay on the old message that 
I found in the search, it re-selects the very first (oldest) message in 
the mailbox that (likely) has nothing to do with the search.


Example:

Select Inbox for Home account.
See most recent message at top.
Click on most recent message to display.
Now type "/ f wilbur"

All messages from wilbur are now displayed.

I scroll to one, select it, display it.

Now I hit escape.

I'm back at the Home inbox, but, MailMate is showing a message from 
Belinda, which happens to be the very first message (oldest) in the 
Inbox.


The situation you describe was the old situation that I was happy with, 
but for the last week whenever I leave a search I'm taken to the oldest 
message in the inbox, if I was in the inbox when I started the search.


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[MlMt] Escaping from a search returns to the last message in a folder.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

At some point in the last week or so, with the bleeding edge development 
version of MailMate (5143 at current count) developed an odd behaviour.


If I search for something, either using the search box in the corner, 
or, clicking on something like a subject or a sender in a currently 
displayed mail - then when I then type "escape" to exit out of the 
search-view, I'm returned to the very first message of my inbox.


As I sort my messages with the most recent at the top, I'm essentially 
being teleported to the very bottom, and have to scroll back up to where 
I was.


This is definitely new behaviour, as I do these sorts of 
searches/clicking a lot


Not sure if I've done a good job of explaining it, but, hopefully others 
can say if they've seen it, or Benny can confirm it's new behaviour or 
accidental or whatnot.


Regards,

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[MlMt] Smart Folder column widths

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Something may have changed in one of the recent betas/developer releases 
with how MailMate remembers columns in Smart Folders...  I'm on r5121 at 
the moment, if that helps.


Under the "Unread" smart folder the width for columns, especially the 
"Date Received" column, seems to keep being reset to something 
relatively narrow.  I'll adjust it, but, as soon as all messages are 
read and the virtual-folder vanishes, and new mail is found at some time 
in the future, the columns are back to the way they were.


I'm pretty sure this is changed behaviour, as I've used this Smart 
Folder for almost all of my mail reading since starting with MailMate, 
and spent a while laying it out Just Right...


Folders themselves (not Smart Folders) seem to preserve the widths and 
whatnot correctly.


Is it just me?

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[MlMt] Trouble connecting to iCloud (certificate validation)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

aluminium_hat

For the past few months, every now and again when MailMate tries to talk 
to Apple's iCloud email infrastructure, a certificate validation error 
occurs.


The certificate that MailMate reports is a wildcard for *.mail.me.com, 
signed by Symantec (Symantec Class 3 Secure Server CA - G4), with a 
serial number of 11 04 0c 72 fb d3 37 73 1f f4 f0 dc b3 c0 e7 17.


The error in MailMate/OS X is This certificate was signed by an unknown 
authority.


In my Keychain Manager I have a Symantec Class 3 Public Primary 
Certification Authority - G4 -- not quite the identical name, but, I'm 
grabbing this from the pop-up that appears when MailMate connects, and 
signing versus issuing may account for a slight discrepancy.


Decades of doing what I do for my day-job has me just paranoid enough to 
raise an eyebrow on this one.


Has anyone else encountered this?

Thanks,

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


For what it's worth, MailMate currently doesn't interact directly 
with the OS X notification system. Instead MailMate relies on the 
third party Growl framework which uses the OS X notification system 
when Growl is not installed. But I consider to remove the dependence 
on Growl since I believe Growl hasn't been updated for quite a while. 
Anyone objecting to such a change can try writing me off list :-)


Object, no! I wholeheartedly support the idea, and would love to see 
functionality that Mail.app’s notifications provide, specifically 
the ability to remove/delete a message from the notification itself. 
:)



Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes.  One of the most used features I 
have with MailMate right now is to see a notification (via Growl) come 
in for something I know is spam, or annoying, or not something I want - 
I then go to the menu bar, find the notification icon, click and go to 
the row for the notification for that mail item, and select delete.  
Often done before the Growl notification has ever left the screen.


But to see the notification appear and have it have a button to delete 
right there, oh man, yes please!


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Re: [MlMt] Folder preferences reset with recent Dev/Beta (at least 5095)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,




Not sure if that was intended behaviour; seems unlikely...


No, it was certainly not intended. I've forgotten if something was 
broken in one of the test versions, but I did make a few changes to 
the handling of mailbox settings. Let me know if you can reproduce 
that MailMate loses mailbox settings.





Yep, it's happening all the time now.  I'm on the latest 5099 dev 
version, and several time this morning I've had to re-order columns in 
my Inbox after performing searches or other acts which apparently 
changed the columns and orders.  After cancelling the search, it seemed 
to change the order of columns and keep them changed.


Cheers,
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[MlMt] Folder preferences reset with recent Dev/Beta (at least 5095)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Likely if you're using the latest beta or so, you've discovered this, 
but, all of the Folder View preferences have been lost somewhere in one 
of the last 5-6 developer/test/beta updates.  I was away for a week, 
updated, and it looks like most folders are sitting with Thread mode 
enabled, different columns, in different orders, and 
ascending/descending preferences have been reset.


Not sure if that was intended behaviour; seems unlikely...

Cheers,
Scott


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate Hanging during PGP sig verification

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


On 20 May 2015, at 23:30, Allie Martin wrote:

On May 20, 2015 03:10:19 am GMT-5, Benny Kjær Nielsen 
mailingl...@freron.com wrote:


I believe the delay is caused by `gpg2` checking an online server to 
find a public key. This is configurable (I cannot remember the 
setting, but you can google it). Ideally, MailMate should handle this 
in a separate thread.


I see.  I’ll look at the settings.

The thing though is that the hang is really long and I eventually give 
in and force quit.  If I disable verification, read the message and 
then reopen the message with verification enabled, the hang doesn’t 
occur.





For what it is worth, that sounds atypical to the observed behaviour 
I've experienced.  Whilst there is a delay, it's usually no more than a 
few seconds.  I would love it if this was in another thread and happened 
in the background, but, it's typically only for keys not already on your 
keyring, and here is relatively brief.


You may want to check your MacGPG installation and, in particular, how 
you have key servers set in gpg.conf.


I'm using:

keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net
keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve

But there may be others who have suggestions on better settings.

Scott

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[MlMt] New compose window glitch.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

For the past maybe 2 or so releases (so, very recently), I've noticed an 
odd glitch when I command-n to compose a new message.  MOST of the time 
the window appears where I last saved my compose window, and with the 
same dimensions/size as before.


But every now and then it appears somewhere completely different, and 
with a much smaller size than I typically use.


I haven't been able to pin it down entirely, it doesn't seem to be 
triggered based upon the currently selected mailbox, but maybe there's 
some there's some other condition that's associated.


Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it's happened to me once 
today, a couple of times yesterday, and so on.  Difficult to nail down, 
sorry, Benny.


Scott

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[MlMt] QuickLook HTML documents showing grey panel (r5078)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I've noticed this for a few types of email attachments, but, at the 
moment, it seems most repeatable with HTML -- basically, the attachments 
all list out at the bottom of the mail, but if I click on Quick Look, 
there's a display of the HTML for only a fraction of a second, before it 
turns into a grey panel.


Curiously, a PDF Quick Looks just fine, as does a PNG, but at the 
moment, it's just HTML documents that aren't displaying.


I've had this before with Word documents, can't recall if they were .doc 
or .docx, but at the moment .docx does seem to Quick Look fine.


Just me?

The HTML attachments render fine on iOS Mail or in Mail.app, or if I 
save them and open in Safari or whatnot, but, I'd prefer not to.


Thanks,
Scott
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Re: [MlMt] I do not have unread count for sub mailboxes anymore

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


Scott - thanks for confirming; I hope it will be fixed soon since as 
you i'm lost without them.


Try the latest test release (r5075). I fixed a few issues related to 
submailboxes and hopefully this included your problem :-)


woohoo - I'm no longer lost! thank you!



Ditto!  Confirmed, much, much happier!

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Re: [MlMt] I do not have unread count for sub mailboxes anymore

[Scott A. McIntyre]

On 20 Mar 2015, at 2:41, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


Hi,

I updated to latest version and I lost my unread count for 
submailboxes.


Even if I right click and choose Displayed Count  Include 
submailboxes nothing shows up.


Yep, welcome to the club.  This one hit a couple of versions ago, but, 
Benny knows about it and I think is working on a fix.


Particularly frustrating when I woke up this morning to nearly 600 new 
emails and can't quite tell where to start looking (see attached)


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Re: [MlMt] I do not have unread count for sub mailboxes anymore

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,




Quite the fascinating folder naming scheme!  ;-)

Kai

PS: Seriously, is there something ready-made that can do this for me?




View - Distortion Mode.

It's a feature built in to MailMatethat I keep forgetting about till 
times like this when it's super useful.


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Re: [MlMt] r5072 - Unread Smartfolder not displaying message count for sub-folders

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


With the latest Alpha, 5072, my Unread smart folder displays a total 
count of unread messages in all folders, but, when I expand the 
Unread folder it does not display the message count for each 
individual folder beneath it.  It will display the name of the folder 
with unread messages, however.


It was a premature release of a new feature. I've changed the feature 
and hopefully also fixed this bug. This is in the latest test release.



5073 is still doing this.  FYI.

Cheers,
Scott

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Re: [MlMt] r5072 - Unread Smartfolder not displaying message count for sub-folders

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


new mail arrives and is detected in various folders, the Unread 
folder

can have a dynamically updating list of how many unread messages are
present in what folder.  Might be a nice option.


I'm not sure I follow. Can't you just leave it expanded? Does it 
collapse by itself?



Yes.  As soon as you've read the last unread message, the folder 
automatically collapses.


And, as often happens, new mail arrives shortly thereafter and I'm left 
with Unread38 (or whatever).


It would just be a time-saver for me if the expanded view for that smart 
folder could stay expanded, but as folders get read (marked Seen, 
which is how the Unread smart folder is set up -- folders where messages 
are not Seen), they would vanish from the list (and only re-appear when 
new mail is sorted into them).


Scott

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[MlMt] r5072 - Unread Smartfolder not displaying message count for sub-folders

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

With the latest Alpha, 5072, my Unread smart folder displays a total 
count of unread messages in all folders, but, when I expand the Unread 
folder it does not display the message count for each individual folder 
beneath it.  It will display the name of the folder with unread 
messages, however.


Speaking of the Unread smart folder, it would be kind of nice if there 
was a way to always keep this folder in expanded mode - that way as 
new mail arrives and is detected in various folders, the Unread folder 
can have a dynamically updating list of how many unread messages are 
present in what folder.  Might be a nice option.


Scott

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[MlMt] Searching by Content-Type.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

What's the best way to search my messages for:

Content-Type: text/calendar; charset=utf-8; method=REQUEST

Or

Content-Type: text/calendar; charset=utf-8; method=CANCEL

(or any other method)

I'm trying to find all messages which contain meeting invitations.  Most 
seem to appear as Attachment.ics in MailMate, but I can't seem to get 
the search for calendar entries to work for any of the Content-Type 
search options...


Thanks,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


Well, I might not have “finished” this feature, but it's 
certainly in a useful state now. Fetch the latest test release, read 
the instructions in the release notes, and try it out.


Also, I believe I've fixed the worst bugs in the 64 bit version of 
MailMate. If recent releases have been unstable for you then try 
again now.


Just started with new search bar enabled.

This is amazing! nuff'said.

Enter / Alt+Enter is a lifesafer and going to have fun learning the 
various qualifiers.


Love it.  GREAT start.  And thank you for NOT making it live-updating.  
I'm sure some people would like that, but, that significantly slows 
things down, and this actually gives a super zippy result.


I also like the idea of the keybinding option down the road, so that / 
or whatever triggers going to the search box.  Very vi-like, I 
appreciated that suggestion.  ;-)


The keywords may be something you want to think about, possibly adding 
punctuation like m: or f: -- I don't think I can search for the 
letter m as a single letter in my messages, for example.  Odd as it 
may sound, that's the sort of thing I need to do from time to time.


GREAT stuff Benny, thank you so much!!

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


Well, I might not have “finished” this feature, but it's certainly 
in a useful state now. Fetch the latest test release, read the 
instructions in the release notes, and try it out.



Couple of bugs:

1)  Select a mailbox, enter a word to search for in box, alt-enter.  
Matches display for that mailbox, but, clicking on one of the messages 
reverts the search to All Mailboxes and ends up displaying a 
*different* message than the one was clicked upon.  Tested this with an 
INBOX as the original search mailbox.


2)  Personal preference: If you x to clear a search in the search box, 
it should also have the effect of - to remove the search terms.


Loving this feature though.  Must send Benny more money.

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Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,




But anyway, once we get the cool Google like search field where I can 
type from:foo AND to:bar, then this point will be a moot point...




Oh man, I'd pay a reasonable sum of money to have a search interface 
like this, using the various key-words from the drop downs instead of 
the dropdown.


from:*.domain.com before:01-12-2014 after:17-03-2013 NOT 
(subject:Invoice* OR from:landl...@evil.com)


Implicit and between operations, etc etc.

Oh yes.  $50?  $100?  $250?  The way I use MailMate, likely the latter.

More?

Drool.

Scott

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[MlMt] Bug that's tough to replicate: ddoouubbllee..

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Tough bug for me to replicate, but, it's happened three times this 
morning with v5035.


When a message is selected I bring up the Move To panel and start 
typing the name of a folder.


Sometimes, but not always, every letter I press is duplicated for input 
in MailMate's search box.  Instead of wife being typed, it will be 
wwiiffee, for which there is no match..


The only way to fix it is to close the Move To panel and re-open it, 
which typically makes it all work again.


Not sure if there's an easy way for you to look at this Benny, or if 
anyone else is seeing it...


Scott
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Re: [MlMt] Mail archiving best practice

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



Any advice on best practice for archiving emails from MailMate?

My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email 
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and Devonthink 
don't hook up, so I'm looking for other robust options that are 
Spotlight searchable. Any advice appreciated.



I'd like to do this in a more automated fashion as well - I've returned 
to DevonThink pretty heavily lately and would like my mail there as 
well.


The issue is, and Benny will correct me if I'm wrong, that MailMate 
doesn't do mbox; it's IMAP only.  As such, you're really somewhat stuck 
putting it into a local archive.


When I want to archive something off of an IMAP server, I tend to run 
Mail.app, save the folder as a local mbox archive, and either import 
that to DevonThink, or, keep it in Tresorit (secure cloudy hosting) or 
just keep it on my backup drives.


It WOULD be nice if MailMate could archive an IMAP folder as Maildir 
format, or mbox, but I know that isn't really where the product is 
heading.


Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Bulk deletion.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


Sometimes nothing happens.  Sometimes one of the messages 
deletes...but I can't think of a time when they all actually seem to 
delete.


This is new to me. Do you think it is a recent problem (64 bit betas)?


No, it's been here for months, perhaps as long as I've used MailMate, 
but I only got around to whinging about it now.



Contrasted with Mail.app where if I select a range of messages or all 
messages in a folder, read or unread, and hit backspace/delete, 
they're gone...


Hmm, I guess that rules out the Sieve theory.


Yeah, it's not Sieve, but, the problem seems to be confined to the Smart 
Mailbox I've created for Unread messages.


If I go directly to a folder, it works.

Happy to look at the MSG ID route, but, it's entirely consistent for me 
with Smart Folder / Smart Mailboxes -- If I have 10 messages, select any 
one of them, then select-all, and hit delete (d or the Delete button) 
then only the first message is deleted).


If I try the same thing in the mailbox itself, it works.

Scott

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[MlMt] OnOver URL

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Did something change with a recent MailMate Alpha/Beta such that it no 
longer displays URLs when the cursor is hovering over a link?  Was quite 
handy for dealing with phishing - not sure if it was MailMate or 
Yosemite that changed.


Cheers,

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Cannot connect to iCloud mailbox

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

For what it's worth, as of a few minutes ago MailMate seems unable to 
authenticate to iCloud for email again.


Server response: “A0 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Authentication 
failed”. Command attempted: “A0 AUTHENTICATE PLAIN 
••”.


However, it works fine for Mail.app and iCloud -- and yes, my IMAP 
username is only the username component, not the domain.


Not sure if this is an Apple issue or MailMate issue; I updated to the 
latest Alpha and that's when I've been stuck unable to authenticate.


Cheers,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] Cannot connect to iCloud mailbox

[Scott A. McIntyre]

On 8 Oct 2014, at 8:35, Steve Mayer wrote:


Scott,

You should have received an email from Apple a few weeks back 
concerning the requirement of using app specific passwords for third 
party apps accessing iCloud.  It appears they turned this on today.


I was able to generate an app specific password for MailMate and the 
login worked again fine.



Great tip, Steve, thanks.  That was it indeed.

I've had so many mails from Apple for dev testing on 10.10 that this 
particular one slipped by me.


Worth noting for others!

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



Nevertheless, if you do not mind the memory usage and you are prepared 
to run an **alpha** (unstable) version of MailMate then here is a 
direct link: 
http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5000.tbz


The revision number is **a hack** and you should not expect automatic 
updates to work.



Interesting issue here - if I try to double click to launch this 
version, Finder reports that the application is damaged and I should 
move it to the trash.  This is on the latest 10.10 beta (Developer, not 
Public Beta).


If I launch it manually from the command line I get:

objc[10427]: Class BundleMenuDelegate is implemented in both 
/Users/me/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/BundleMenu.dylib 
and /Users/me/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate. One of 
the two will be used. Which one is undefined.



But it DOES launch.

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[MlMt] Counters preference not being remembered.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

In Version 1.8 (4447), I've adjusted the counters that are displayed on 
the dock but the changes are not remembered across restarts of the 
application.


If it matters, one of the counters refers to Unread in a Smart Mailbox; 
but that may not be a factor.


100% repeatable here on this 10.10b6 Yosemite box (yes, know I'm running 
alpha on beta...).


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[MlMt] Account order.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I've tried to search the list archives on this (but the search 
functionality is dead at the moment) -- is there a way to chance the 
order of accounts in MailMate in the Mailbox panel?  I have several IMAP 
accounts and their associated inboxes nicely displayed, but, I'd like to 
re-arrange them into an order which makes more sense to me.


Thanks,
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Re: [MlMt] Account order.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



I've tried to search the list archives on this (but the search 
functionality is dead at the moment)


Use Google with site:lists.freron.com in the search field.  This is, 
by the way, also useful on Apple's mailing lists for the same reason.


Yeah, did that, sorry, should have said -- I'm using the Alpha versions 
and was hoping that there was a way to do it that wasn't documented yet.


The renaming didn't work here unfortunately, even after a restart.  Was 
hoping there was a plist somewhere that could be edited.  ;-)


Thanks though!

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Re: [MlMt] Account order.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


The renaming didn't work here unfortunately, even after a restart.  
Was hoping there was a plist somewhere that could be edited.  ;-)


Take a look at ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Sources.plist

I only have one account, but that's where it is...



Ah, perfect, thanks for the tip.

Alas, it doesn't impact the account ordering - I'm going to go out on a 
limb and suggest that it's due to my being on Yosemite *and* the Alpha 
releases.  Not a big deal, just trying to align things a bit more 
sensibly with how I work.


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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate for POP3? Future prospects from Mailmate?

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

On 30 Jul 2014, at 6:17, Kai Großjohann wrote:

Fredrik already asked most things, I would like to share how I 
migrated to MailMate.  MailMate does not support storing emails 
locally.  I worked around it as follows:




I, for one, would welcome a Maildir based local-storage for an archive 
of mail from MailMate.  I realise this isn't really where MailMate wants 
to be as a product, but, it would be a welcome addition to have a way to 
take a given mailbox and synchronise it to local storage and see that as 
a Local Folder in the same way Mail.app does.


I use the Dovecot/Postfix that comes with the OS X Server.app, and that 
works just as fine as MacPorts (I don't use any of the ports systems, 
personal choice) - so the approach Kai outlines would work fine -- 
indeed, part of what I want to accomplish is the ability to run mutt 
on the command line against my mail, and Mutt plays very nicely with 
this setup...


Anyway, Benny, if you're keeping track, Local Mail would be handy 
someday.  Maybe for 3.0.  ;-)


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[MlMt] Feature request: 10.10 Dark Mode.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I realise it's premature, and it may not even be possible, but, I'm 
starting to see some phenomenal Dark Mode support in applications 
under Yosemite and it would be great if MailMate could find a way to 
support that as well.


In particular, the betas of Textual 5 (IRC client) with the dark mode 
support are outstanding.  So many of my UIs are now with these more 
subdued colours and hues that when I return to the MailMate virtual 
desktop I feel like I'm getting a bit of a suntan...


Thanks!

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[MlMt] PGP/MIME support question.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I received an email which the GPG engine in MailMate seems to have 
issues with.  It was sent with PGP/MIME as a mulitipart/mixed message.  
Unfortunately, MailMate shows it as two separate attachments, and 
doesn't seem to be able to decrypt the message at all.  I had to save 
the .asc file and run gpg manually from the command line.


The MIME components are:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


And then there was a second component (all with the boundary correctly 
specified):


Content-Type: application/pgp-encrypted;
name=PGPMIME Versions Identification
Content-Description: PGP/MIME Versions Identification
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=PGPMIME Versions 
Identification;

size=76; creation-date=removed;
modification-date=removed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


And the final part was:

Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=encrypted.asc
Content-Description: OpenPGP encrypted message.asc
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=encrypted.asc; size=9223;
creation-date=removed;
modification-date=removed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


I manually removed the date/time stamp, but, it was correct.

The source was allegedly:

x-pgp-agent: GPGMail

Is there some tweak that could be made either in my GPG config or in 
MailMate to be able to correctly handle these sorts of messages?


Cheers,

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Re: [MlMt] statistics per weekday / hour ?

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



Possibly the huge amount of mail I have is related?


No, that shouldn't matter. Does it also happen if you do it in a 
mailbox with few emails (or none at all)? I'm thinking that maybe the 
header of some particular email triggers the crash…



Alas, you were correct.  I removed the plist and restarted and as soon 
as I select the *less Date field and click OK, boom goes the MailMate.


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Re: [MlMt] statistics per weekday / hour ?

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,





Then restart MailMate and look for `Date` (without the '*') in the 
window opened via “Other…” in the headers popup. It should have 
a Weekday specifier.





For what it's worth, trying this on Yosemite with the latest Alpha build 
immediately crashes MailMate.


Crashed Thread:0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes:   KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0020

VM Regions Near 0x20:
--
__TEXT 1000-00132000 [ 1220K] 
r-x/rwx SM=COW  /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate


Application Specific Information:
objc_msgSend() selector name: tableView:objectValueForTableColumn:row:


Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libobjc.A.dylib 0x912880a7 objc_msgSend + 23
1   com.apple.AppKit  	0x984fd1d7 -[NSTableView 
preparedCellAtColumn:row:] + 385
2   com.apple.AppKit  	0x984fced3 -[NSTableView 
_drawContentsAtRow:column:withCellFrame:] + 50
3   com.apple.AppKit  	0x984fcca0 -[NSTableView 
drawRow:clipRect:] + 1502
4   com.apple.AppKit  	0x984fc56d -[NSTableView 
drawRowIndexes:clipRect:] + 801
5   com.apple.AppKit  	0x983d200f -[NSTableView drawRect:] + 
1254
6   com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b4c9a -[NSView _drawRect:clip:] 
+ 4324
7   com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b341d -[NSView 
_recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 2071
8   com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b3790 -[NSView 
_recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 2954
9   com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b3790 -[NSView 
_recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 2954
10  com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b3790 -[NSView 
_recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 2954
11  com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b3790 -[NSView 
_recursiveDisplayAllDirtyWithLockFocus:visRect:] + 2954
12  com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b12e1 -[NSView 
_recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:topView:] 
+ 904
13  com.apple.AppKit  	0x983b0aa5 -[NSThemeFrame 
_recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:topView:] 
+ 311
14  com.apple.AppKit  	0x983ad774 -[NSView 
_displayRectIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:] + 
3032
15  com.apple.AppKit  	0x9838b2d1 -[NSView displayIfNeeded] 
+ 1657
16  com.apple.AppKit  	0x983a942c -[NSWindow 
displayIfNeeded] + 324
17  com.apple.AppKit  	0x983e8580 
_handleWindowNeedsDisplayOrLayoutOrUpdateConstraints + 1262
18  com.apple.AppKit  	0x98a4e88b __83-[NSWindow 
_postWindowNeedsDisplayOrLayoutOrUpdateConstraintsUnlessPostingDisabled]_block_invoke1542 
+ 58
19  com.apple.CoreFoundation  	0x934696fd 
_runLoopObserverWithBlockContext + 29
20  com.apple.CoreFoundation  	0x934690de 
__CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_AN_OBSERVER_CALLBACK_FUNCTION__ + 30
21  com.apple.CoreFoundation  	0x93469020 __CFRunLoopDoObservers + 
400

22  com.apple.CoreFoundation0x9345a2a8 __CFRunLoopRun + 984
23  com.apple.CoreFoundation0x93459c66 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 390
24  com.apple.CoreFoundation0x93459acb CFRunLoopRunInMode + 123
25  com.apple.HIToolbox   	0x94301fa8 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode 
+ 262
26  com.apple.HIToolbox   	0x94301bab ReceiveNextEventCommon + 
192
27  com.apple.HIToolbox   	0x94301ad4 
_BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInModeWithFilter + 99

28  com.apple.AppKit0x982784d9 _DPSNextEvent + 734
29  com.apple.AppKit  	0x98277d43 -[NSApplication 
nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 124

30  com.apple.AppKit0x9826a50c -[NSApplication run] + 907
31  com.apple.AppKit0x98253df1 NSApplicationMain + 2035
32  com.freron.MailMate 0x0001fb77 main + 677
33  com.freron.MailMate 0x2c85 start + 53
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Re: [MlMt] statistics per weekday / hour ?

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



For what it's worth, trying this on Yosemite with the latest Alpha 
build immediately crashes MailMate.


And this happens every time? It doesn't really look like something 
that should/could behave differently on Yosemite. Could you send me a 
copy of the `specifiers.plist` file you created?



Yep, every time.

The file is nothing other than an exact copy-paste from your mail.

{
parsers =
{
rawDate = {
headers = ( date );
specifierRegex = '^\s*([A-Za-z]{3})';
specifierCaptures = {
1 = { specifier = weekday; };
};
};
};
}


That's it.

I just replicated it at home - same result.  Crash after going to 
Statistics Layout, selecting Other, searching for date in the upper 
right hand box, then selecting the Date option without the asterisk, 
then clicking OK.  Took about 8 to 10 seconds...boom.


Possibly the huge amount of mail I have is related?

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[MlMt] Superfluous addresses with Version 1.8 (4307)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this...for one of my accounts, 
MailMate seems to be adding additional recipients to outgoing mail based 
upon either a new feature, or, a mis-parsing of the address format 
itself.


Example:

I sent an email to Surname, Firstname 
firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com


And when I got a response, it was replied back to me with a Reply All 
and the full recipient list was:


From: Surname, Firstname firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com
To: McIntyre, Scott sc...@mail.domain.com, 
surn...@my.mta.server.com

surn...@my.mta.server.com

In this case, my MTA is actually just my localhost system, running 
postfix, and no changes have taken place - the only change was the 
update to MailMate 4307.


Not entirely sure what's going on - but it's definitely causing 
confusion with colleagues today.  It could also be related to an odd 
interaction with Yosemite...but, again, the only change was the update 
to MailMate.


Cheers,
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Re: [MlMt] Superfluous addresses with Version 1.8 (4307)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

On 10 Jun 2014, at 12:37, Scott A. McIntyre wrote:


Hi,

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this...for one of my accounts, 
MailMate seems to be adding additional recipients to outgoing mail 
based upon either a new feature, or, a mis-parsing of the address 
format itself.



With the help of tcpdump, I'm pretty sure this IS something to do with 
the latest MailMate and it parsing the Display Address incorrectly.


I composed a new mail to the same colleague and this time modified the 
display address to remove the Surname, Firstname and ONLY sent to 
their firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com address and voila:


Internet Message Format
Received: from [10.32.128.2] (localhost [127.0.0.1])\r\n\tby 
my.mta.server.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A5A01E871AB\r\n\tfor 
firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:51:32 +1000 
(EST)

From: Scott A. McIntyre sc...@mail.domain.com, 1 item
Item: Scott A. McIntyre sc...@mail.domain.com\r\n
Display-Name: Scott A. McIntyre
Address: sc...@mail.domain.com
To: firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com, 1 item
Item: firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com\r\n
Address: firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com\r\n


Whereas, a few moments ago, I sent to another colleague and had:

Internet Message Format
Received: from [10.32.128.2] (localhost [127.0.0.1])\r\n\tby 
my.mta.server.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC86E1E87025\r\n\tfor 
Firstname.Surname@ mail.domain.com; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:46:56 +1000 
(EST)

From: Scott A. McIntyre sc...@mail.domain.com, 1 item
Item: Scott A. McIntyre sc...@mail.domain.com\r\n
Display-Name: Scott A. McIntyre
Address: sc...@mail.domain.com
To: surn...@my.mta.server.com,\r\n\tFirstname 
firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com, 2 items

Item: surn...@my.mta.server.com
Address: surn...@my.mta.server.com
Item: \r\n\tFirstname firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com\r\n
Display-Name: Firstname
Address: firstname.surn...@mail.domain.com



Yep, I know, alpha code, bleeding edge, etc etc, just wanted to give 
others the head up.


Scott

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[MlMt] Resetting the database.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I don't know if it's Yosemite, or the closing the search box opens a
new window bug, but, MailMate has crashed, hard, for me today -- for
the very first time.

Upon restart I was asked how to rebuild, and now it's stuck in a loop of
rebuilding from cache, crashing, and restarting.

Does anyone know what the Right Way is to, as a last resort, start up
and nuke all known cached data and re-download everything, painfully,
from IMAP?

Ta,
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Re: [MlMt] Feature request - highlighting related messages in a thread.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,





Isn't that something where the Thread Arcs Layout could be handy? 
Highlighting messages could be a nice addition, though.


Yes, and that's my default view.  However, that's different than being 
able to click on one message and in the pane of all your messages in 
that folder, quickly see which ones are related.  For whatever reason, 
it's something that I've found to be a huge time-saver on Mail.app and a 
good way to quickly and visually locate related content, without having 
to change views or layouts to something dedicated to threads.


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Re: [MlMt] Shifting some key bindings around... possible?

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,




I would like to assign as follows:
Move to mailbox = T
Tag messages = ⌘T
Go to Mailbox = ⌥⌘T



For what it's worth, I simply did all of these re-bindings using OS X's 
native Keyboard control panel.  I specified the keyboard equivalent I 
wanted for the displayed menu item, and that overrides whatever MailMate 
has as a default.


System Preferences - Keyboard - Shortcuts - App Shortcuts

I have dozens for various appsmay help you.  I use it for MailMate 
pretty heavily now.


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Re: [MlMt] I don't expect support soon, but, heads up. (Yosemite)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,




That was quick :-)


My morning meeting was cancelled, I felt like taking a chance.  It's 
been .. awkward.



I'll contact you off list for some details to see if it's an easy fix. 
Otherwise it'll have to wait until I get around to installing Yosemite 
myself.



Great, got your note, will give it a shot tomorrow morning - not quite 
brave enough to upgrade this system at home as well.


I should also point out:

1)  The wrapping issue only impacts the message viewer.  If I reply to a 
message, wrapping looks normal again in the compose window.

2)  It only impacts non-HTML messages
3)  Other UI changes actually look pretty nice inside of MailMate.  I 
liked the look!


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[MlMt] Feature request - highlighting related messages in a thread.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

One of the things that I really enjoyed about Mail.app was NOT putting 
things into Conversation view (or thread, if you prefer that term) but, 
instead, taking advantage of the highlighting of messages which are in 
the same thread (or related).


I don't know how impossible it'd be to add this to MailMate in the 
future, but, I'd find it a great toggle.  I don't really like thread 
views, and I simply have way too many messages to constantly flick 
between Layout modes too often.


But if MailMate could highlight related messages to a thread, it would 
provide a great visual way to find things in some of my larger mailboxes 
hopefully swiftly.


Cheers,
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[MlMt] I don't expect support soon, but, heads up. (Yosemite)

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi all,

Just to let you know -- there are issues with MailMate on OS X 10.10 
(Yosemite).


Text wrapping in the content of messages seems to be broken, so, 
many/most messages appear as one long line.


Other functionality seems okay though, and I am sending this from 
MailMate, so, that's a plus.


Just a heads up!

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Specifying an identity per mailbox.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Benny,



MailMate should definitely be able to choose the correct From address 
for a reply. Make sure that MailMate knows your email addresses. 
[This](http://blog.freron.com/2013/handling-multiple-identities/) is a 
good starting point and then let me know if you still cannot make it 
work as expected.


The problem I have is more related to the way in which an internal mail 
is routed - I'm using Sieve to route mails to a particular folder based 
not upon the To address, but, the Subject.  As a result, the address 
which I want to then use as the From (even though it's entered as one of 
my email address as per your guide above), isn't detected, and I have to 
manually select it from the drop-down list.


What I was hoping for was some MailMate preference that could select a 
default From address for a specific IMAP folder.


Not that big of a deal, was just wondering if there was a way to 
accomplish that.


Ta,
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[MlMt] Specifying an identity per mailbox.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

There's obviously some intelligence in how MailMate chooses the identity 
with which to send email from when composing a new message, but I've not 
quite worked out how to game it to work 100% the way I want - is there a 
way which I can specify a particular IMAP mailbox always has a certain 
default From address specified, possibly even PGP key to use?


Thanks,
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Re: [MlMt] Why does Quick Look bring up a blank window for .ics files

[Scott A. McIntyre]

On 23 May 2014, at 7:28, Kee Hinckley wrote:

![](cid:4AA8C57A-6D0B-44A8-8AC1-FB71AE6A2347@hinckley.com 
PastedImage.png)

[PastedImage.png]



I have the same issue with PowerPoint files at the moment.  PPT or PPTX.

It's not entirely blank, it just doesn't actually do a QuickLook.

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[MlMt] Closing a search opens a message.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

With one of the last beta/alpha updates, whenever I close a search I 
just performed by selecting - MailMate now opens in a separate window 
any message that I may have selected by clicking once on the list of 
search results.


Is this toggleable somewhere?  I can see how it could be useful in some 
circumstances, but mostly if I don't see what I want, even though I'm 
displaying a message, I don't want another window to appear with that 
message in it.


Thanks,
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[MlMt] Importance: header.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Is there any way to tweak/modify/insert/whatever the Importance header 
within MailMate?


I've noticed that Importance: high gets rendered with a ! in the 
Flags, but, I'm wondering how I could create a message which has a 
similar header (set to some other value, like low...


Thanks,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] Importance: header.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


Such headers are badly standardized, but if you know what works for 
the recipient then you can add a custom header as described 
[here](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#composing). 
Look for `MmAdditionalComposerHeaders`. The example uses `X-Priority` 
which is another non-standard priority header.



Thanks very much.  I know they're not very standard, but I like to 
manipulate them as a form of passive aggression against colleagues who 
need to calm down.


They send things through with High all the time to get extra attention 
(Exchange users) and in Mail.app I'd always change it to Low to let 
them know they're not as important as they thought they were.


I'll take a look at the links provided, thanks Benny!

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Re: [MlMt] Importance: header.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

One more question:



Such headers are badly standardized, but if you know what works for 
the recipient then you can add a custom header as described 
[here](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#composing). 
Look for `MmAdditionalComposerHeaders`. The example uses `X-Priority` 
which is another non-standard priority header.



Is it possible to also set a default value?  I see that it supports 
headerName and type, but does it also support a value, or any other 
parameters?


Ta,
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Re: [MlMt] Non-automatic signature

[Scott A. McIntyre]

On 16 Apr 2014, at 9:56, Brett Terpstra wrote:


TextExpander. That is all.



Completely reasonable suggestion.  I haven't used this previously, but 
am aware of what it can do.  For the moment, it's just as fast to have 
Sublime Text or some other simple text processor open with a sample and 
copy-paste, and that works just fine for this one use of snippets I 
currently have.


But if it gets to be annoying, yep, TextExpander seems a way to go.

Ta,

Scott
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[MlMt] Flags/tags/colours.

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

Likely this has been asked and answered in the past...

Apple Mail lets you flag different messages with different colours.  
There seems to be SOME support for that in MailMate, in that previously 
flagged messages from Mail.app show up with a different coloured flag in 
MailMate (I've seen at least Red and Yellow flags).


However, how can I make better/greater use of that?  Or can I for now?  
I saw that Benny mentioned there was work going on with the tag feature, 
and I'm happy to wait - but I did like the ability to simply flag 
something with a certain colour to represent a prioritisation interest 
for my attention.


Curious,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] Non-automatic signature

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Fabian,


I don't know your exact case, but I as a colleague, customer and 
service provider hate it, when people don't include at least a 
telephone number to their emails. I have often dates with my clients 
and it is really annoying, when the traffic is bad and I'm not able to 
call them, because there is not telephone number



I get your preference here - my request was merely one to see if there 
was a way that MailMate, like other mail applications, could address my 
personal way of preferring email.  I've always preferred to type a 
command or click a button to get a specific signature added.


Unlike you, however, I detest (and never include) phone numbers in 
signatures.  I also do not include it on my business card.  Again, a 
personal preference, but, a phone call is an incredibly rude way to 
communicate for my world.  It's a hard interrupt.  It stops everything.  
It doesn't take into account that the person being called may have other 
(electronic) things they are working on...and, sadly, 99% of the calls I 
get are actually far better addressed by a simple, short, email.


But I work in a highly technical field and having things read out over 
the phone is just silly anyway -- it needs to be documented and 
cut-and-pastable.  If I need to have a call with someone, I can provide 
a contact number, or I can call them -- but I like maintaining that 
option manually.


Anyway, it's just a personal preference thing.  I was hoping there was 
some secret toggle somewhere that would let the stored Signatures in the 
Preferences exist, but only appear when I selected the one I wanted from 
the Signature drop-down in a compose window.


Regards,
Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Non-automatic signature

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi Luca,

So if I understand you correctly, you want MM to be trained *not* to 
insert a signature most of the time, and from time to time adding it 
yourself manually.


That's one way to accomplish the goal.  I honestly was thinking about 
this as simply as most other email applications I've used; from Mutt to 
Mail.app.  I want a shortcut to include specific text based upon a 
personal selection.  I don't really care about training.  I understand 
why that's really useful for others, but, I, personally, would be happy 
just being able to click on the Signature drop-down inside this compose 
window and select the .sig I wanted to use for this email.  I'm happy 
with not everything in life being fully automated.




Would training MM in adding an *empty* signature solve your problem? A 
second signature with all the business card info you want to add to 
your email can then be manually selected, and the underlying mechanism 
(trained on the empty signature) would see this as noise and the 
overall behaviour would stay as you like.


That might work and I'll see if there's some way to do that.  I haven't 
explored exactly how the training works, but, this might let me 
accomplish what I'm after.  Thanks for the idea.


Scott
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[MlMt] Non-automatic signature

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,

I rarely want to use a signature in email, but, I want the option of 
using one of several, depending upon various contexts I care about.  Is 
there a way to do this?  It seems to be all or nothing, and whilst I 
appreciate the intelligence MailMate tries to use to decide which 
signature to use, I actually want to manually select one only every now 
and then.


Thanks,

Scott
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Re: [MlMt] Follow-up question on using Spamsieve with Mailmate

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,



I've heard of Sieve, but although I've been managing Internet mail 
systems since the very early 90s, I have yet to actually encounter a 
site that actually uses it.  At least, so far as I know -- maybe they 
use it and I don't know about it.


It's actually been included with OS X for several Server versions - 
with access being provided by RoundCube, which supports it natively.  A 
number of ISPs that run their own webmail platform use RoundCube and 
Sieve.  Personally, I moved over to Sieve from procmail a few years ago. 
 Not quite as powerful as procmail, but most of what I needed to do was 
move mail into folders, rather than use formail or other hooks to get 
overly creative.


FastMail (www.fastmail.fm) uses Sieve for all of their message filtering 
as well - indeed, they provide a simple GUI for doing it, OR, you can 
simply write Sieve scripts yourself (which is what I do).


As for MailMate, is it possible somewhere to see the rules created as 
text that can be edited directly?  New to this mailing list, so, this 
may be well known -- sometimes the GUI is very slow to navigate when 
trying to build rules and if the underlying language is Sieve-like, it 
would be great to just tweak it by hand.


Thanks,

Scott

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