Re: [mailop] AT Abuse contact - messages being ignored

2019-07-10 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Would have to say that they either have a huge back log of delisting requests - probably because someone abandoned their post - which would not surprise me at all. Or... they fell asleep again on their way to the helpdesk... which also wouldn't surprise me. * On Wed, Jul 10 4:45PM Michael

[mailop] Symantec/Messagelabs contact info

2019-12-05 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Any Symantec/Messagelabs contact info? We've got an IP address that seems to be continually being listed there. The IP is not listed on any other blacklist. I'm not aware of any spamming events happening on this IP address - but I'd love to discuss it further with Symantec and figure out

Re: [mailop] AT Block - abuse_...@abuse-att.net still valid?

2020-02-12 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
* On Wed, Feb 12 5:03AM Laura Atkins said : > > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 17:01, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > > > Well... I guess my thought is, if it takes them a week to weed through all > > of their requests... maybe there's a better way to optimize this? O

Re: [mailop] AT Block - abuse_...@abuse-att.net still valid?

2020-02-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
l to abuse_...@abuse-att.net is not good enough. On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 9:50 AM Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > Anybody from AT able to check a couple of abuse tickets for me? > > AT is blocking one of our servers, I sent messages on February 8th and > February 10th to abuse_...@

Re: [mailop] AT Block - abuse_...@abuse-att.net still valid?

2020-02-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
commended that this be at least 12 hrs or 43,200 > seconds. The theory was that 900 seconds indicated it was on a dynamic ip > address. > > Good luck! > > Lyle Giese > > LCR Computer Services, Inc. > On 2020-02-26 15:25, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > I know

[mailop] Symantec/Messagelabs changes / over aggressive?

2020-01-28 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody seen a recent change in the way Symantec is listing IP. The ones listed at: https://ipremoval.sms.symantec.com/ Since the first of the year, I've seen several of our IPs getting listed in this blacklist - but not in any other blacklists. Is there anybody from Symantec (or whatever

[mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Regarding the suggestion for "content/questions/answers/links to put on the website" - have you ever considered making this mailing list into a forum? I just like discussion forums a lot better than I do discussion mailing lists. In my opinion, it's easier to contribute within a forum

[mailop] Microsoft/Hotmail IP does not qualify for mitigation

2020-02-20 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody on the list from Microsoft able to tell me why the IP address - 104.37.174.27 - does not qualify for mitigation? Open deliverability report is: SRX1495147285ID ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft/Hotmail IP does not qualify for mitigation

2020-02-20 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
icket for Hotmail <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866> > ? > > > > *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Rob McEwen via > mailop > *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:29 AM > *To:* mailop@mailop.org > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [mailop] Microsoft/Hotmail

[mailop] AT Block - abuse_...@abuse-att.net still valid?

2020-02-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody from AT able to check a couple of abuse tickets for me? AT is blocking one of our servers, I sent messages on February 8th and February 10th to abuse_...@abuse-att.net but have not heard anything back - other than the canned response - and the IP is still blocked. The rejection notice

Re: [mailop] AT Block - abuse_...@abuse-att.net still valid?

2020-02-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
* On Tue, Feb 11 11:19AM Ken O'Driscoll via mailop said : > On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 10:50 -0500, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > I suppose it's possible that AT is just inundated with abuse > > requests - but maybe there is a better way to weed out the valid > > requ

[mailop] STARTTLS - Constant Contact and yahoo.co.jp

2020-08-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
How many mail operators out there are forcing outbound SMTP communications to use TLS? Is this a common practice now? I know secure everything and TLS everywhere is a popular movement at this moment. I've noticed that Constant Contact (constantcontact.com - at least the mail server at

Re: [mailop] STARTTLS - Constant Contact and yahoo.co.jp

2020-08-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
ere doing in regards to this. The response is kind of what i expected, but the shift in wanting TLS and encryption on every connection, kind of made me question what the response would be. On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:02 PM Michael Orlitzky via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > On 2020-08-26 12:50,

Re: [mailop] Any chance that Microsoft would tell it's customer that the 'junk' folder creates complaints?

2020-09-24 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> Maybe they should name it, "Unwanted mails you want to be reported" I would second this. Maybe a little more simple. "Report as Junk" or "Report as Spam". Although I don't have the highest level of confidence in end-users reading or knowing word meanings - so I'm not sure if it will really

[mailop] Cloudmark Blacklist

2020-09-22 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody from CloudMark able to contact off list? Or how long does it generally take to get a response from CloudMark? Sent a request at https://csi.cloudmark.com/en/reset on Sunday - clicked the link in the Confirm CSI IP Address Statistics Reset Request email - and the IP is still blocked and I

[mailop] AT Silently discarding messages?

2020-10-28 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Has AT taken a page out of Microsoft's handbook and started silently discarding messages even after their mail server has accepted them? I've got a user that claims he's not getting our messages. I checked our outbound logs and the messages are showing as being accepted by AT's mail servers -

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Maybe the answer is that not enough other mail server administrators are shining a light on just how poorly Microsoft (and any other big named provider) does in regards to incidents like this. In my particular case at the moment, Microsoft is blocking one of our mail server IPs. Microsoft has

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-25 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
I'm definitely agitated with Microsoft/Hotmail/Live/Outlook at the moment regarding an IP block. But I'll also agree that I can see their point and reason for being strict with their blocks. They don't really care if they're blocking legitimate mail from small time email servers. But the real

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-24 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
You would think a company like Microsoft would have a better solution to all of this. Once you get blocked by Microsoft it's a 6 week race (because they'll only reply about once a week) to plow through all of the crud replies they send you, to actually getting something accomplished. Except,

Re: [mailop] [External] Re: Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
JMRP never reported anything for me. Admittedly it has been several years since I signed any of our IPs up for it. But when I was signed up, we'd go through stretches where the IP would be blocked but nothing ever came through JMRP. That's why I quit signing up IPs for it - didn't see much

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> For weeks I haven't been able to submit the form to remove RBLs -- each time it says (regardless of browser): > "We're sorry, but something went wrong on our end. Please try again later" > Anyone else experienced that? Same here. See my post to this list from June 10th - Subject: "Hotmail -

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesn’t share that information with senders. And I understand the reasons for that. But... can't you see how this turns into a "he said / she said" argument? Microsoft: "Your IP sent us spam, so we're blocking you." Mail Server Admin: "I don't see any

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Might I also suggest that Microsoft needs a form or chat on their website where other email server administrators can submit to Microsoft/Hotmail/Outlook mail server administrators. I keep getting on chat explaining that Microsoft/Hotmail/Outlook is blocking one of our mail server IPs, and I keep

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Block list (S3150)

2020-06-24 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
That's true - I'm not a customer. But who is a customer? What is defined as a customer? Is a hotmail.com/live.com/outlook.com email user a "customer"? And if so... how do they contact a real live human being at Microsoft to voice their concerns about Microsoft's unilateral IP blocking of other

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Hotmail - New Support Request form not working?

2020-06-10 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
ichael J Wise* > Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis > > "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." > > Open a ticket for Hotmail <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866> > ? > > > > *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Scott Mutter > via mailop >

[mailop] Hotmail - New Support Request form not working?

2020-06-10 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
I know there's a guy that frequents this mailing list from Microsoft. Apologies if this isn't really Mailops worthy... but Microsoft is one of those great companies that's just really, really, really hard to get a hold of a human. I'm not able to get the support request form at:

Re: [mailop] [E] AT sending messages to spam

2020-12-04 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Marcel Becker wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:13 PM Scott Mutter via mailop > wrote: > >> Anybody from AT able to contact me off list concerning an issue with >> messages sent from our server (192.158.238.23) to AT related email >> addresses and being de

[mailop] AT sending messages to spam

2020-12-04 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody from AT able to contact me off list concerning an issue with messages sent from our server (192.158.238.23) to AT related email addresses and being delivered into their spam folder? I'm not seeing any issues with the 192.158.238.23 IP address. No blacklistings or reputation issues.

Re: [mailop] Effeciveness (or not) of SPF

2020-12-07 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> 1. You must have an SPF record in order for the big mail providers to even think about accepting your mail (softfail seems sufficient). > 2. It's not worth rejecting incoming mail simply because it fails SPF.There are too many badly configured servers out there This has been my observation as

Re: [mailop] scam prevention

2020-12-08 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Good idea or not, that's a debate. But if it did happen - be ready for the chorus of... "But it used to show the person's name, why did it change? Can you change it back?" People don't respond well to change. Even if it's for the betterment of humankind, that's not really comprehensible. On

Re: [mailop] Looking for possible mailing list hosting

2020-12-16 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Have you considered simply putting up a website and putting phpBB or SMF or some other free forum software on it? You can set the forum to be private so users have to login to see posts. Honestly, I see mailing lists as a dying breed (said as I post this to a mailing list). A forum tends to

Re: [mailop] Looking for possible mailing list hosting

2020-12-16 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
OK... OK... First rule about fight club, eh? On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 7:13 PM Jay R. Ashworth via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Grant Taylor via mailop" > > > On 12/16/20 10:21 AM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrot

[mailop] Microsoft Support Ticket Form not working

2020-11-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Not necessarily a mailing issue - although, I do have an issue with Microsoft blocking one of our IPs and I'm not able to submit a ticket, so perhaps loosely a mailing issue. The Microsoft form linked to at: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866 Does not appear to be working. When I

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Support Ticket Form not working

2020-11-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Stone, Founder* > > *North America's Leading Zimbra VAR/BSP/Training Partner* > *For Companies With Mission-Critical Email Needs* > *Need more email security & compliance? Ask me about Mimecast!* > > > > -- > *From: *"Scott Mutter vi

Re: [mailop] IP based reporting for Yahoo feedback loop gone?

2020-12-28 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
There was once an IP based one? I only ever knew of the DKIM one. Which never made a lot of sense to me - since with shared hosting there can be multiple domains sending mail from an IP. To configure DKIM and the DKIM feedback loop for every domain wasn't practical. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: IP based reporting for Yahoo feedback loop gone?

2020-12-31 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> I don't think so. I'm primarily a datacenter operator and > commercial-only ISP and my AUP says no spamming. As the proactive type > that prefers to prevent spamming instead of ignoring it for profit, I do > like to know if anyone is emitting spam from any of our IP space. > Feedback loops based

Re: [mailop] Malware waves from hotmail.com

2021-06-09 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
URLs' > >that you need to parse instead of via say a rwhois entry. > > > >(some are listed at various services you can query in RBL format > >such as > >RATS-AZURE) > > > >Some you can check via PTR naming conventions, and others you can > >do an > &

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Registered @ Microsoft JMRP - blacklisted without feedback received

2021-05-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Not to really defend Microsoft here - because I've had my own run-ins with their system and agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense. But this isn't an only-Microsoft problem. Pretty much every big-name mail service provider will employ similar tactics in some capacity. I get it... Microsoft

Re: [mailop] protection.outlook.com refusing to accept mail with misleading temp error message

2021-06-01 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
The issue - at least to me - has always been that Microsoft is viewed as this big, huge company that can do no wrong. When our users have issues sending to Microsoft email servers - it's obviously because *we're* stupid and something is wrong with *our* server. It can't possibly be a Microsoft

Re: [mailop] Malware waves from hotmail.com

2021-06-04 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:24 PM Michael Peddemors via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > With apache, you can use modsecurity quite easily, and you can block all > azure (and other cloud providers ranges) from certain services like > wordpress, or contact forms etc.. (you can even do dns based

Re: [mailop] Malware waves from hotmail.com

2021-06-04 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Not to hijack this thread and send it off-topic, but I'm also seeing a lot of brute force attempts (mostly WordPress login attempts) from various and wide-ranging subnets of Microsoft IPs. Has Microsoft's network been compromised? On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:46 AM Jörg Backschues via mailop <

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> If your correspondent opens a ticket with MS and says "I want to get email from Marcus and it goes into spam and I don't think it should", they may put mitigation in for you. It has less effect if you are the one opening the ticket though. What ticket form would these people need to fill out?

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Consumer Email Deliverability Issue

2021-05-01 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
The fact that filling out their support ticket does nothing except generate canned responses and that you have to come here to Mailops to get any movement on a blocked IP address or blocked server - you would think that that would tell Microsoft something about how ineffective their support ticket

Re: [mailop] Hotmail and block on OVH: possible solutions alternatives?

2021-02-25 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
wrote: > Dnia 25.02.2021 o godz. 11:53:44 Scott Mutter via mailop pisze: > > I'll end this little soapbox rant acknowledging that I don't really have > a > > solution to this. How is Microsoft supposed to know that a USER of an IP > > address is a well-respec

Re: [mailop] Gmail issues with Level 3 / Tier.Net?

2021-03-06 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
March 5th. On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:54 AM J. Hellenthal wrote: > trace routes ? Pings ? Anything here? > > -- > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says > a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > On Mar 6, 20

[mailop] Gmail issues with Level 3 / Tier.Net?

2021-03-06 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Some of our servers have not received emails from Gmail since early Friday morning. We're also not able to connect to some of Gmail's mail servers from these servers. Is Gmail blocking some of these IPs? A routing issue? Anybody from Gmail able to contact me off list to look into this?

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Vade - Blacklisting

2021-08-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
gt; Comcast > > > > *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Scott Mutter > via mailop > *Sent:* Monday, August 16, 2021 9:08 PM > *To:* mailop@mailop.org > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Vade - Blacklisting > > > > Thanks Alex. > > > > This looks to be working

[mailop] Vade - Blacklisting

2021-08-16 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody from Vade on the list able to give any details as to why 66.11.124.112 is listed? Apparently Comcast uses Vade as part of their blacklist and this IP is being blocked by Comcast's mail servers 554 resimta-po-40v.sys.comcast.net resimta-po-40v.sys.comcast.net 66.11.124.112 found on one or

Re: [mailop] Vade - Blacklisting

2021-08-16 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
company like Comcast (?) going to bed with such an entity? On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:03 PM Al Iverson wrote: > You might find https://sendertool.vadesecure.com/ to be a better way > to work through the issue. > > Good luck, > Al Iverson > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:24 PM Sc

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Vade - Blacklisting

2021-08-16 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
; > > > > > > > -- > > Alex Brotman > > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy > > Comcast > > > > *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Scott Mutter > via mailop > *Sent:* Monday, August 16, 2021 2:25 PM > *To:* mailop@mailop.org > *Subject:

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
espondence. So they choose a simple and easy to remember password. On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:17 PM Slavko via mailop wrote: > Hi, > > Dňa Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:31:50 -0600 Scott Mutter via mailop > napísal: > > > Unless you are sending an encrypted password to your

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
>If one use good email client/browser, locally stored passwords are not a > problem as they are encrypted Unless you are sending an encrypted password to your mail server (in which case, the compromiser still has the necessary to log into your email account) then this has to be decrypted some how

Re: [mailop] Is there any analysis on root causes of mail account break-ins?

2021-11-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Don't forget local compromises - keyloggers, spyware, and other malware - running on an end-user's system. If you are checking your email with an email client and not entering your password every time you check for mail (which most of us don't do) then the password to your email is stored some

Re: [mailop] ATT.NET abuse_...@abuse-att.net contact ?

2021-11-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Just keep sending them an email everyday. Sometimes you have to send an email a day for a week or two before they pick up on it. Not sure why they haven't created a website form to submit these. Relying on email for delisting like this is a recipe for disaster. What do we set the Subject as to

Re: [mailop] No answer from abuse-att.net?

2021-12-15 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
This is why I cringe everytime I see a provider asking you to "send an email to x...@yyy.com to get delisted." x...@yyy.com is going to get flooded with spam also. Whoever is on the receiving end of that email address isn't going to know what's legitimate and what's not legitimate. It's so much

Re: [mailop] [E] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

2022-01-10 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Yahoo's Feedback Loop is DomainKey based, but their blocking is IP based. At least that's how it used to be. Never made much sense to me to have an FBL based on DomainKeys, meaning every domain name that sends from an IP address has to have a registered feedback loop based on the DomainKey. All

Re: [mailop] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

2022-01-13 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
I think some of what's lost in this discussion - and it's true this may be dragging the discussion off-topic, but seems as good a time as any to bring this up. Often times the individual maintaining the mailing list or sending out the emails, is not the same individual that administers and

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

2022-01-13 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> Domain reputation is a thing though. If your IP really gets blocked (and not just throttled; that's a signal you have access to btw) you usually have a bigger problem. Unfortunately, that's not what I'm seeing in the real world. Everything is IP based. Go through the archives here at Mailops.

Re: [mailop] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

2022-01-13 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
at 4:23 PM Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: > On 1/13/22 1:00 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > The person sending out the mails or mailing list often doesn't care if > > their recipients are flagging messages as spam or if their messages are > > being treated as spam or

Re: [mailop] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

2022-01-13 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
you've lost touch with reality. On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:13 PM Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: > On 1/13/22 16:08, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > I'm not sure what value of Recipients is really referring to - but I > > think this is kind of the question that needs to be

Re: [mailop] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

2022-01-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 5:32 AM Alessandro Vesely via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > I'm not clear what you mean by "secure your own IP block". > > Besides, for the mxroute address you wrote from, 149.28.56.236, I find an > abuse address of ab...@vultr.com, which looks like your ISP's. >

Re: [mailop] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

2022-01-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 12:06 PM Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: > Drive by comment: > > What if we had something like an MX record published for the IP > address(es) in reverse DNS / in-addr.arpa for > ... and configure those MX records to route to a mail server > of the owners /

Re: [mailop] still not a good way to publish contact info, was What am I supposed to do

2022-01-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
aid: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >On 1/17/22 11:49 AM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > >> Do reverse DNS entries support the TXT structure? > > > >I can't remember the last time I used it to say with any certainty. But > >would completely expect that it would. Remembe

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology managers in general bathe in arrogance. "There's no such thing as a good idea, unless it is *my* idea." It's easier to get blood out of a stone than for someone in IT to admit that someone else's approach to something has

Re: [mailop] [SUBJECT CHANGE] Feedback loops

2022-01-17 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 6:06 PM Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: > Why can't automated and manual reports go to the same address? Isn't > that what recipient side filtering is for? E.g. separating RFC standard > DSNs / MDNs from human generated messages, each handled by different teams. > > My

Re: [mailop] Forms vs email abuse reporting

2022-01-19 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
It depends on what context you are referring to. Are you talking about abuse contact as a means to dispute abuse complaints? In that case, I'd say a form is better. An example is AT When AT blocks our server, the bounce back message tells us to send an email to abuse_...@abuse-att.net. I'm

Re: [mailop] Forms vs email abuse reporting

2022-01-19 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
not really sure if that's the type of abuse contact the OP was referring to in this thread. On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:07 PM Michael Rathbun via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:55:40 -0600, Scott Mutter via mailop > wrote: > > >(AT is just an exa

Re: [mailop] New Validity policy for paid FBL (ARF)

2023-09-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
How an FBL is supposed to be used versus how an FBL is used is always a topic for discussion that can be applied to anything. How many of us expect email to be delivered instantly? But where is it defined that email has to be delivered the second the sender clicks that send button? But we all

Re: [mailop] New Validity policy for paid FBL (ARF)

2023-09-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
I thought Validity was making the free FBL more like Google's Postmaster Tools FBL. Which, I've never gotten one iota of anything relevant in Google's FBL system. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that this is going to be the future of FBLs. I think providers want to be able to block certain

Re: [mailop] New Validity policy for paid FBL (ARF)

2023-09-13 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
I also think one thing that Validity may not be understanding with this move, and may lead to shooting themselves in the foot, the list of email service providers that Validity provides feedback for isn't exactly major players. We get more feedback from Yahoo and Outlook's FBL system than we do

Re: [mailop] New Validity policy for paid FBL (ARF)

2023-09-13 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
, Oliver via mailop < > mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > >> On 13.09.2023 at 16:06 Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: >> >> > I also think one thing that Validity may not be understanding with this >> move, and may lead to shooting themselves in the foot, the list of email &

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Hotmail: why S1350 blocking every 3 months?

2023-10-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
I think sometimes these "too big to fail" mail service providers block IPs just because they can. Who are your users going to believe? It has to be something you the small time email service provider is doing wrong, it can't possibly be good ol "insert big brand here". I certainly understand

[mailop] AT Blacklist - 205.251.153.98

2023-11-06 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody from AT able to provide any insight as to why 205.251.153.98 is being blacklisted? Sent an email to abuse_...@abuse-att.net back on October 26, never got a response. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-22 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
of arm twisting to get any response at all. On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 7:56 PM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Ok we will check > > > --srs > -- > *From:* mailop on behalf of Scott Mutter via > mailop > *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2023 10

Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-22 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Nope. Still the same. On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 9:42 PM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Check again now > > --srs > -- > *From:* mailop on behalf of Scott Mutter via > mailop > *Sent:* Saturday, September 23, 2023 1:52:25 AM > *To:* mailo

[mailop] Google - Messages with multiple addresses in From: header are not accepted.

2023-09-18 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
We're seeing an increase of errors from Google's mail servers complaining about multiple addresses in the From header. But these messages do not have multiple addresses in the From headers or multiple From headers. Best I can tell, this seems to be caused by additional spaces in some of the

Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-21 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
ter with a recent sample of the > logs? Bcc me at s...@apple.com so I can follow up with the team. > > > > *From: *mailop on behalf of Scott Mutter via > mailop > *Date: *Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 8:00 PM > *To: *mailop@mailop.org > *Subject: *Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud b

Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-21 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
t; > --srs > -- > > *From:* Suresh Ramasubramanian > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2023 10:33:52 AM > *To:* Scott Mutter ; mailop@mailop.org < > mailop@mailop.org> > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to > l

Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
 PM Scott Mutter wrote: > Nope. Still the same. > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 9:42 PM Suresh Ramasubramanian < > ops.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Check again now >> >> --srs >> ------ >> *From:* mailop on behalf of Scott M

[mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-18 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody from Apple/iCloud able to provide any insight as to why messages from 209.236.124.55 are being blocked with - Message rejected due to local policy messages? I previously sent a message to icloudad...@apple.com but got no response. ___ mailop

Re: [mailop] Google - Messages with multiple addresses in From: header are not accepted.

2023-09-18 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Thanks. It's actually the mailing script this client is using that is adding the headers in this way. I will have to get with the client to resolve this. That answers that issue. On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 9:53 AM Scott Mutter wrote: > We're seeing an increase of errors from Google's mail

Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-19 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
I wrote icloudad...@apple.com on August 26, 2023 On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 12:03 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > I’ll have someone look at your email and reply if they haven’t yet > > --srs > -- > *From:* mailop on behalf of Scott Mutter via &g

Re: [mailop] Apple/icloud blocking - Message rejected due to local policy

2023-09-19 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
visit https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137 On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:56 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > From which address? > > > > *From: *mailop on behalf of Scott Mutter via > mailop > *Date: *Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 6:25 PM > *To: *mailop@mailop.org

[mailop] Cloudmark not sending remediation confirmation email?

2023-08-19 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Anybody from Cloudmark aware of any issues with their CSI IP Reputation Remediation Portal form? I've filled out the form - https://csi.cloudmark.com/en/reset - twice, I get the message: *An email has been sent to the email address you provided. Please follow the instructions in this email to

Re: [mailop] Yahoo FBL per IP Range?

2022-04-22 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Been preaching about this for years. Have yet to get anybody of value's attention. If you're going to block mail servers by IP address (which, to be clear, I don't have a problem with providers doing this - and Yahoo does this along with countless other mail services), then you need to have a

Re: [mailop] FYI - Google/Gmail hard enforcing SPF presence

2022-04-19 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
It depends on what Google mail server you are sending to. Some require SPF, some don't. Although, maybe they've since closed that loophole. Google started requiring SPF records back in December 2021 according to the logs I reviewed (at least for some of their mail servers). The mail servers

Re: [mailop] Forum/Blog spam turned up to 11

2022-05-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Are you sure it's actual people registering or is it bots? Do the sign up pages have effective captcha or other anti-bot/prove you're human measures? On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 7:30 PM Ken Simpson via mailop wrote: > > It's WooCommerce: >

Re: [mailop] Forum/Blog spam turned up to 11

2022-05-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Are there effective anti-bot measures in place on the form? How effective captcha systems are can be debatable. BUT, if there are no anti-bot measures on the form... then shouldn't this type of activity/abuse be expected? On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 8:48 PM Ken Simpson wrote: > > No idea whether

Re: [mailop] Spectrum/Charter.net Contact Available?

2022-07-01 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Kind of unnerving that this list gets filled with "Can someone from X company contact me about a block/rejection?" All because X companies that are too big to fail can't be bothered to provide any way to dispute a listing or get in touch with someone that actually administers their mail system.

Re: [mailop] forwarding to gmail - problem

2022-04-28 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Automatic email forwarders are generally a bad idea, at least in my humble opinion. They're always going to fail SPF unless you rewrite the sender-envelope, which I also don't think is a good idea. Ultimately, the argument generally comes down to "well, these used to work" and that's part of the

Re: [mailop] forwarding to gmail - problem

2022-04-28 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 7:20 PM Mark Milhollan via mailop wrote: > It does not. As recently discussed, Gmail plays a game of trying to > guess whether SPF should have failed on a previous hop, rather than just > the connected peer. I don't really see that much of an issue with this in popping

Re: [mailop] forwarding to gmail - problem

2022-04-29 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:47 AM Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > I would say the opposite. Mail forwarding was there before SPF, so anybody > who designed SPF should have taken that into account. They didn't. So SPF is > the "bad guy" here among these two. SPF is the one that breaks forwarding,

Re: [mailop] forwarding to gmail - problem

2022-05-08 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
If you forward your mail to Google then Google is going to get your email. If you give Google your POP password to retrieve mail, then Google is going to get your email. What more is Google going to get with your POP password versus plain old forwarding email? On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 6:00 AM

[mailop] Outlook JMRP unable to add new IP address

2023-04-06 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Been a while since I've added an IP to our JMRP profile - but seems to not be working. I've done the request access for the IP and validated the IP by clicking the link in the email. But when I go to add the IP under the Junk Mail Reporting Program, the IP address is not shown. "If you want to

Re: [mailop] Outlook JMRP unable to add new IP address

2023-04-06 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 4:52 PM Simon Arlott wrote: > If it's already in another JMRP feed you can't add it to a new one. Does > someone else have access to the network that contains the IP? They may > have created a JMRP feed and you're probably not able to see it. > > -- > Simon Arlott > > Has

Re: [mailop] abuse_...@abuse-att.net is broken

2023-07-18 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
Half the time they never respond to their abuse complaints. There's a huge thread on their forums: https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-mail-login-security/rbl-ip-unblock-request-and-abuse_rblabuseattnet-is-not-responding/5e620c10758fed5c61aea8ff Dates back several years. Occasionally it

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-25 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
So basically SPF is worthless. You can define all the IPs that legitimate mail for the domain should be coming from and exclude everything else with a -all and mail servers are just supposed to ignore that and look for a DMARC record? Talk about robbing Peter to pay Paul. What's next? Another

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 12:34 PM Brandon Long wrote: > When forwarding mail, there are two options: rewrite the envelope sender > or not. There are a variety of pros and cons to both of them, and cases > where one or the other is more prominent. Not rewriting has been the > dominant form of

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Office365 not rejecting emails when instructed so by SPF recored?

2023-05-26 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
is in the disarray that it is. On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 10:38 PM Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote: > On Fri, 26 May 2023, at 11:10, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > > So basically SPF is worthless. > > > It's not worthless at all. It's a valuable signal to assign reputation as &g

Re: [mailop] Is forwarding to Gmail basically dead?

2024-02-09 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 12:20 PM Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > > Am 08.02.2024 schrieb Cyril - ImprovMX via mailop : > > > > > But forwarding an email from a domain that have DMARC enabled (with a > > > policy different than "none") could still work if the

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