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Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

I am against scanning everything in order to protect. Because every method an ESP needs to do to "fix" these bad unsubscribes can just as easily be spoofed by bad actors (e.g. redirect url to non-malicious content for first 10 minutes). And not all ESPs are even aware of this scanning process (if

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On 2018-03-01 16:26, David Carriger wrote: Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question: As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list hygiene and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data is being tainted by Google/Microsoft/etc triggering all of my

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:26 PM, David Carriger < david.carri...@infusionsoft.com> wrote: > Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question: > > As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list > hygiene and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data is > being

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:26 PM, David Carriger > wrote: > > Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question: > > As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list hygiene > and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data is

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

om: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org<mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> On Behalf Of David Carriger Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:29 AM To: mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org> Subject: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients? I've just rec

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rting Tool<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ? From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> On Behalf Of David Carriger Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:29 AM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients? I've just receiv

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

>> Then, I guess, why not POST (or GET) the unsubscribe link anyway? If >> the user indicated a desire for a facilitated unsubscribe, why not try? > >The major issue in this situation is that the users *didn't* indicate >desire. > >Moving forward, when there's actual user involvement...having

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On 2/27/2018 4:34 PM, Aaron Richton wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2018, Jesse Thompson wrote: Then, I guess, why not POST (or GET) the unsubscribe link anyway?  If the user indicated a desire for a facilitated unsubscribe, why not try? The major issue in this situation is that the users *didn't*

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018, Jesse Thompson wrote: Then, I guess, why not POST (or GET) the unsubscribe link anyway? If the user indicated a desire for a facilitated unsubscribe, why not try? The major issue in this situation is that the users *didn't* indicate desire. Moving forward, when

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On 2/23/2018 3:25 PM, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: On 02/23/2018 12:28 PM, David Carriger wrote: Can you tell if the URL accesses are GETs or POSTs? Do you action on your one-click-unsubscribe based on GETs?  -  I thought one-click-unsubscribe was purposefully supposed to require POSTs to

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

aspx?id=18275> ? From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> On Behalf Of David Carriger Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:29 AM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients? I've just received an interesting escalation from our support tea

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On 23 February 2018 21:44:20 Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: This almost sounds like automated link content scanning. Probably That's a great mechanism for confirming active email addresses to spammers using tracking links... Sent with AquaMail for Android

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

Good catch, Grant. They are GET requests. Our developers implemented the List-Unsubscribe HTTP method a long time ago and it appears that it was never updated to comply with RFC 8058. I'm still curious as to why I'm only seeing this with .edu domains hosted on Office365 and not Office365 in

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On 02/23/2018 12:28 PM, David Carriger wrote: With the exception of Rutgers, these are all hosted on Office 365. Once the mail has delivered, I'm seeing all of the links inside the email hit within a span of time varying between 1-10 seconds. For example, here's an unsubscribe in our database

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, David Carriger wrote: I've just received an interesting escalation from our support team. We have a customer sending mail to recipients at the following domains: [...] With the exception of Rutgers, these are all hosted on Office 365. Once the mail has delivered, I'm

[mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

I've just received an interesting escalation from our support team. We have a customer sending mail to recipients at the following domains: andromeda.rutgers.edu apsu.edu barry.edu bsu.edu ccsnh.edu clarion.edu cofc.edu dcccd.edu gsu.edu hofstra.edu king.edu letu.edu mail.barry.edu