Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP'

2009-08-23 Thread Fred Feldman
Gregory A. Butler wrote: One of the great tragedies of our movement - and the great historic tragedy of Trotskyism - is that Trotsky's life was entrusted to the SWP (and alleged NKVD double agent George Hansen - who later allegedly became an FBI informant - was probably responsible for the NKVD

[Marxism] Feminism and imperialism

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Clare Midgley. Feminism and Empire: Women Activists in Imperial Britain, 1790-1865. London: Routledge, 2007. X, 206 S. $120.00 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-415-25014-6; $32.95 (paper), ISBN 978-0-415-25015-3; (cloth), ISBN 978-0-203-08949-1. Reviewed by Michelle Tusan Published on H-Soz-u-Kult (May,

[Marxism] Silone biography

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
(Silone does not come across as a very admirable character here, especially serving as a fascist snitch, but Bread and Wine is one of the finest leftwing novels I have ever read.) NY Times Book Review, August 23, 2009 Bread, Wine, Politics By GEOFFREY WHEATCROFT BITTER SPRING A Life of Ignazio

[Marxism] Barack Obama and Adam Smith

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times Book Review, August 23, 2009 Crossroads Theory and Morality in the New Economy By DAVID LEONHARDT The indispensable economist of the moment is clearly John Maynard Keynes. Keynes’s prescription for financial crises — aggressive government action and, by definition, big budget deficits

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP')

2009-08-23 Thread Carrol Cox
waistli...@aol.com wrote: Actually, Max Schactm Who the hell are you quoting? Carrol YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at:

Re: [Marxism] Eduardo Galeano's latest

2009-08-23 Thread Andrew Pollack
But of course it contained the gem below. I bet the reviewer is a liberal; there's not a liberal who wouldn't have written the same racist filth against Palestinians. Imagine the uproar if someone complained about how Jewish accounts of the Holocaust elide the responsibility of Jewish

Re: [Marxism] Silone biography

2009-08-23 Thread Shane Mage
On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: (Silone does not come across as a very admirable character here, especially serving as a fascist snitch... Why this slander? Wheatcroft wrote It does seem that Silone had at least some contact with the police, who had arrested his one

[Marxism] US now has more US mercenaries than troops in Afganistan

2009-08-23 Thread Ralph Johansen
[By the end of the year, Obama will have almost 150,000 troops and mercenaries in Afghanistan, compared to 250,000, and counting, now in Iraq. It's another almost fool-proof way to continue to privatize government functions, ronin under the guise of security contractors and non-combatant

Re: [Marxism] cheap food

2009-08-23 Thread brad bauerly
Hold on a minute. If we are all going to agree that cheap food is a good thing for the working class I would, from a marxist position, first question what cheap food actually means: Are we talking about exchange value as being cheap and what about the relationship of cheap food to value? To talk

Re: [Marxism] Silone biography

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Shane Mage wrote: Why this slander? Wheatcroft wrote It does seem that Silone had at least some contact with the police, who had arrested his one surviving brother, Romolo (who would die in prison at the hands of his captors), but it’s hard to see evidence of any great betrayal. New

[Marxism] ginsberg quotes

2009-08-23 Thread Max Clark
'Nobody publishes a word that is not the cowardly robot ravings of a depraved mentality The day of the publication of the true literature of the American body will be day of Revolution.' -'Death to Van Gogh's Ear!' 'I was always a communist...' -'The Velocity of Money'

Re: [Marxism] On Food...

2009-08-23 Thread Michael Perelman
The case for the efficiency of factory farming usually depends on assuming that the consequences are measured in terms of a simple, easily-measured output. When I was working on my book, Farming for Profit in a Hungry World (1977), I became more sensitive to the need to understand agriculture

Re: [Marxism] Silone biography

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Shane Mage wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: (Silone does not come across as a very admirable character here, especially serving as a fascist snitch... Why this slander? Wheatcroft wrote It does seem that Silone had at least some contact with the police, who had

Re: [Marxism] On Food...

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
nada wrote: It is pretty easy to get into a centrifugal discussion about food. Before Greg was thrown off the list this morning (I would of *warned* him about this, he's simply bouncing silly rumors he picked up from the wsws.org, before throwing him off) he did post a comment I think that

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread gregoryabutler
I do apologize for one little error - in my haste to make a post last night, I relied on my memory rather than double checking the original source. I attacked a George Hansen of the Socialist Workers Party as being an [alleged] NKVD and FBI asset. I actually meant JAMES Hansen of the Socialist

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
gregoryabut...@aol.com wrote: I do apologize for one little error - in my haste to make a post last night, I relied on my memory rather than double checking the original source. I attacked a George Hansen of the Socialist Workers Party as being an [alleged] NKVD and FBI asset. I

[Marxism] Louis Budenz

2009-08-23 Thread Hunter Gray
Most of the human intricacies of this discussion are beyond my personal purview -- I came of radical age in early 1955. I am aware of a little of this from a purely historical perspective. But on one point: I am surprised that anyone, regardless of his or her Left perspective, would take

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Tom Cod
Actually that's Joseph Hansen whose 1962 screed Cuba: The Acid Test in defense of the Cuban Revolution against sectarian critics is what got them going against him with these wild fabrications worthy of Stalin and the Moscow Trials.

Re: [Marxism] Silone biography

2009-08-23 Thread Tom Cod
Today's New York Times has a review of a bio of this guy, whom I had never heard of, which compares the posthumous snitch controversy over him to the Dreyfus affair given the polarization over this issue that has arisen in Italian society. The reviewer's conclusion is that while he was an

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Olson
Yes, and the Sparts published back in the mid-eighties the Healyism Implodes pamphlet:   http://www.marx.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/1986/implodes.html --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] the truth

Re: [Marxism] On Food...

2009-08-23 Thread brad bauerly
Nada wrote- in cereal production, it makes almost no difference whatsoever if wheat, barely or other grains are produced in very large tracts or smaller more intensely farmed ones. What is your source for this position? What exactly are you talking about as making no difference, no difference

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/23/2009 1:19:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, t...@hotmail.com writes: Actually that's Joseph Hansen whose 1962 screed Cuba: The Acid Test in defense of the Cuban Revolution against sectarian critics is what got them going against him with these wild fabrications worthy

[Marxism] The Comedians - and the stubborness of facts

2009-08-23 Thread gregoryabutler
So, since the threat of banning me from this list won't work - and the facts cannot be refuted - some folks resort to ridicule and/or really stupid childish arguments. But the facts are quite clear here - about the NKVD's infiltration of the SWP, about the role of James Hansen and other

[Marxism] Moderator's note

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Greg Butler has been unsubbed. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

2009-08-23 Thread Tom Cod
Thank you! we don't need to have this become another apst. Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:48:53 -0400 From: l...@panix.com Subject: [Marxism] Moderator's note To: t...@hotmail.com Greg Butler has been unsubbed. YOU MUST clip all extraneous

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/23/2009 2:48:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, t...@hotmail.com writes: I'm not sure what your lengthy pontification has to do with this issue which you apparently know little about. Comment Actually, I know much about the subject and most certainly the details of

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

2009-08-23 Thread Bill Quimby
Whatsa apst, please? - Bill Tom Cod wrote: Thank you! we don't need to have this become another apst. Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:48:53 -0400 From: l...@panix.com Subject: [Marxism] Moderator's note To: t...@hotmail.com Greg Butler has been unsubbed.

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Bill Quimby wrote: Whatsa apst, please? alt.politics.socialism.trotsky, a newsgroup for the criminally insane that David Walters and Einde O'Callaghan still inexplicably post to. It has daily doses of anti-Semitism, conspiracy mongering, xenophobia, etc. It is like drinking out of a

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Tom Cod
Look, you still don't get it, these Healyite provacateurs SUED the SWP in the US courts in the 1980s around these trumped up allegations causing that party to spend tens of thousands of dollars in court and attorneys fees fighting it. Maybe if you knew about this you'd realize that an

Re: [Marxism] Pittsburgh Protests?

2009-08-23 Thread Bill Quimby
It's the G-20 meeting. See the G-20 page at http://www.g20.org/ From the site... Since 1999, the G-20 has contributed to strengthen the international financial architecture and to foster sustainable economic growth and development. The G-20 now has a crucial role in driving forward work

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Shane Mage
On Aug 23, 2009, at 2:38 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: During and after a successful insurrection a section of the political police and intelligence are recruited to the cause of the victor... But only to infiltrate, undermine, and destroy the proletarian cause. ...In the mean time agencies

Re: [Marxism] the truth about . . . combating the poltiical police

2009-08-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/23/2009 3:05:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _t...@hotmail.com_ (mailto:t...@hotmail.com) writes: Look, you still don't get it, these Healyite provacateurs SUED the SWP in the US courts in the 1980s around these trumped up allegations causing that party to spend tens

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

2009-08-23 Thread Baba Aye
Lou wrote: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky, a newsgroup for the criminally insane I'd been on that usenet group for a few years -as Jasper- before more recently joining MarxmailI very much agree with this description of it, despite some incredibly useful stuff that do mix with its sense of

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Baba Aye wrote: This I suggest with the view of assuaging any latent view of the implementation of these being an arbitrary dictatorship of the moderator. This is an excellent idea. I am finally getting ready to build a new website for Marxmail and will incorporate this.

[Marxism] Union fires official for demanding equal pay for women

2009-08-23 Thread Andy Chambers
This is pretty embarrassing. http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2526939.0.union_fires_official_for_taking_side_of_lowpaid_women.php Can anyone point to any additional details regarding this case? I drew a blank on google. A VETERAN trade union negotiator has been sacked

[Marxism] Swans Release: August 24, 2009

2009-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Swans Commentary http://www.swans.com/ August 24, 2009 *** Many thanks to Don Durivan for his generous contribution. People, you need to SUPPORT US FINANCIALLY. We keep at it on a bi-weekly basis. All original content, which brings you thoughts and thoroughly researched facts to help you

[Marxism] Paranoia over state surveillance

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff
At 14:38 23/08/09 EDT, waistli...@aol.com wrote: Modern surveillance allows the state to track anyone by cell phone or the magnetic strip on ones driver license, credit card, computer or GPS system in ones vehicle. Whenever I hear inaccurate and paranoia-generating remarks such as this,

Re: [Marxism] the truth about . . . combating the poltiical police

2009-08-23 Thread Tom Cod
Look we do need to move on and I don't have time for along winded and condescending lecture from you about the bona fides of Workers World and PSL which I accept. No, this was not a trivial or petty squabble thing to those of us involved with it and was deadly serious and protracted fight.

[Marxism] British firefighters union calls for Israel boycott

2009-08-23 Thread Stuart Munckton
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2009/808/41576 British firefighters call for boycott of Israel Chris Latham 22 August 2009 *The British Fire Brigades Union (FBU), which represents 85% of firefighters and support staff in Britain, plans to move motions at the Trade Union Congress’s (TUC) annual

[Marxism] to read?

2009-08-23 Thread guava tree
do people think reading volumes 23 of Capital is more valuable than reading the Grundrisse? Or-- is one's time better spent reading Lenin, or even Hegel than moving into books Marx didn't have the time to put his finishing touches on? My guess is that people here will not be big on reading

Re: [Marxism] Paranoia over state surveillance

2009-08-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/23/2009 8:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, meis...@xs4all.nl writes: By the way, I think the thesis of Waistline, that we cannot and thus should not try to prevent infiltration and spying is completely off the mark! Comment Interesting comment after an inordinate

[Marxism] my birthday

2009-08-23 Thread george snedeker
Today is my 63rd birthday. In honor of this event, I've written myself a birthday poem for the occasion. ODE TO KEATS's ODE TO MELANCHOLIA! Today, when I got up to pee, I thought about being sixty three! What bothers me most of all is the time I wasted learning to crawl!

Re: [Marxism] the truth about James Hansen of the SWP

2009-08-23 Thread Dayne Goodwin
i did not find the publication online that Fred recommends for Gregory A. Butler to consult in his search for the cold hard facts. but i'm sure Gregory will be willing to spend $10 to purchase the document so that he can study both sides of the argument. it is available from Pathfinder Press or

Re: [Marxism] to read?

2009-08-23 Thread Horse Badorties
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM, guava tree theguavat...@gmail.com wrote: do people think reading volumes 23 of Capital is more valuable than reading the Grundrisse? The Grundrisse is like the I Ching. It's not meant to be read from beginning to end; it's meant to be opened at random and