Re: [MLL] Lenin on class . . . leaving list if

2011-01-27 Thread Waistline2
Every laboring class in human history has been stamped - imprinted, by the specific state of development of productive forces, expressed in the concrete division of labor in society. Hence, an industrial working class. Class is larger than property - owners and non owners, or the basic

Re: [MLL] Obama's State of the Union address

2011-01-27 Thread Waistline2
(http://www.npr.org/2011/01/26/133224933/transcript-obamas-state-of-union-ad dress?ps=cprs) Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address text size A A A January 25, 2011 The text of President Obama's State of the Union address, as released by the White House: Comment What Obama

Re: [MLL] Fw: RE: Obama's State of the Union address

2011-01-27 Thread Waistline2
The future is ours to win. But to get there, we can't just stand still. As Robert Kennedy told us, The future is not a gift. It is an achievement. Sustaining the American Dream has never been about standing pat. It has required each generation to sacrifice, and struggle, and meet the demands

Re: [MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
Revolution Revolution is a stage in the development of human society when the tools humans use change in such a way that the old social arrangements -- the way necessities are distributed to those who need them -- are no longer adequate, and need to be changed to fit the new condition.

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment ofourrevolutionary...

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/26/2011 7:52:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _stalinkaynak@yahoo.com_ (mailto:stalinkay...@yahoo.com) writes: In fact according to Lenin: As a current of political thought and as a political party, Bolshevism has existed since 1903. (Left-Wing Communism, an Infantile

[MLL] Obama's State of the Union address

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
_http://www.npr.org/2011/01/26/133224933/transcript-obamas-state-of-union-ad dress?ps=cprs_ (http://www.npr.org/2011/01/26/133224933/transcript-obamas-state-of-union-address?ps=cprs) Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address text size A A A January 25, 2011 The text of President

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: (a full explanation of Jan. 1912)

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
In fact according to Lenin: As a current of political thought and as a political party, Bolshevism has existed since 1903. K.A. Reply “The outstanding event of this period was the Prague Conference of the R.S.D.L.P. (January 1912). At this conference the Mensheviks were expelled from

[MLL] Karl Marx on Class

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
Capital Vol. III Part VII Revenues and their Sources Chapter 52. Classes The owners merely of labour-power, owners of capital, and land-owners, whose respective sources of income are wages, profit and ground-rent, in other words, wage-labourers, capitalists and land-owners, constitute

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: (a full explanation of Jan. 1912)

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/26/2011 2:30:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _stalinkaynak@yahoo.com_ (mailto:stalinkay...@yahoo.com) writes: On the contrary, Lenin and Stalin in many places explains that a revolutionary party (party of a new type) can not be built in the revolutionary periods, it

[MLL] Lenin on class

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
Classes are large groups of people differing from each other by the place they occupy in a historically determined system of social production, by their relation (in most cases fixed and formulated in law) to the means of production, by their role in the social organization of labor, and,

Re: [MLL] Lenin on class . . . leaving list if

2011-01-26 Thread Waistline2
My time is going to be limited in two or three months and the genuine Marxist Leninist will not put in their own work and read in collectives. I will leave the list immediately if one person - not two, shows how Lenin's definition of class means class is determined by property or property

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment of ourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
George is most certainly entitled to his opinion. q Everyone agree the CPUSA was never a party of insurrection or a “party of a new type,” Bolshevized. Nor were any of the anti-revisionist clusters of the 70’s and 80’s. The question posed was why? There is much more to creating a “party

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment of ourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/25/2011 6:38:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _Waist line2@aol.com_ (mailto:waistli...@aol.com) writes: There is much more to creating a “party of insurrection” than adopting formal rules and the Leninists trappings, like saying we are guided by democratic

Re: [MLL] [excerpt] THESES ON THE BOLSHEVISATION OF THE PARTIES OF THE COMINT...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Marxism recognises a class struggle . . . . in the most significant thing in politics - the organisation of state power. Lenin Comment Entering An Epoch of Social Revolution by Nelson Peery is available on line in its entirety. (Quote) We can honestly state that from the very

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: Sorry..

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
My bad, but I did send in the correction. Not revolutionary class but revolutionary crisis. Sorry about the error. Waistline In a message dated 1/25/2011 10:00:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, geor...@micronetix.net writes: It is certainly possible to sustain a Bolshevik party in

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment ofourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Founded as a political trend, Bolshevism emerged as a political party a decade later - 1912. Bolshevization means development as a party whose purpose is seizing state power and establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat. A party cannot be Bolshevized in a non-revolutionary situation,

[MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Class is a big word and not simply a power relation. In say 1951, the Soviet working class was an industrial working class but not an industrial proletariat. Sure, everyone referred to the Soviet working class as the Soviet proletariat because of its position as shock brigade, but there

Re: [MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts Correction

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/25/2011 7:44:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waistli...@aol.com writes: Class is a big word and not simply a power relation. In say 1951, the Soviet working class was an industrial working class but not an industrial proletariat. Sure, everyone referred to the

Re: [MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts correction

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Non-revolutionary periods are all the quantitative boundaries a system goes through before qualitatively new means of production begin to disrupt the unity of the mode of production. Correction Non-revolutionary periods are all the quantitative boundaries a system goes through

Re: [MLL] Trotskyism: socialist revolution not possible during the great depr...

2011-01-24 Thread Waistline2
“It is that the US was ripe for socialist revolution during the depression but the CPUSA misled the working-class then and steered them away from revolution . . .” Would not such an event, occurring in the most industrial advanced capitalist country been registered and recorded in

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment of our revolutionary...

2011-01-24 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/24/2011 9:18:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _intangibles@aphenomenal.com_ (mailto:intangib...@aphenomenal.com) writes: If the party had bolshevised itself back in the 1920s in the manner recommended by the Comintern throughout the 1920s and 1930s, this distinction

[MLL] CPUSA : Entering an Epoch of Social Revolution (excerpt)

2011-01-24 Thread Waistline2
Nelson Peery Entering an Epoch of Social Revolution Including additional essays Dialectics of the Leap and the Destruction of Capitalism and... Polarization in U.S. -- Basis for a Workers Party (c) Copyright April, 1993 Workers Press P.O. Box 3705 Chicago, IL 60654 The prestige of

[MLL] Detroit Diesel: UAW health care fight, some pay $1000 a month

2011-01-24 Thread Waistline2
_http://www.uaw.org/story/promises-broken-detroit-diesel-retirees_ (http://www.uaw.org/story/promises-broken-detroit-diesel-retirees) Elections make a difference. That difference affects everything from legislation on whether workers have the right to choose a union to whether a company

[MLL] Communist America: May 1, 2057. Private Journal

2011-01-23 Thread Waistline2
The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements

[MLL] At a certain stage of development. Marx deepened not revised

2011-01-23 Thread Waistline2
America has never been an exception to Marx outline of the law of social revolution. America confirms in rich detail a deeper meaning of Marx general law of social revolution. What makes Marx outline of social revolution an outline is emergence theory. Marx captures emergence in a few

[MLL] New York City Hall: drop dead.

2011-01-23 Thread Waistline2
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Mulgrew _noreply@uft.org_ (mailto:nore...@uft.org) Date: Jan 22, 2011 2:42 AM Subject: Mayor to New Yorkers: Drop Dead! Dear colleagues, City Hall puts children first? It’s a great soundbite, but actions speak louder than

[MLL] Trotskyism: socialist revolution not possible during the great depression

2011-01-23 Thread Waistline2
Note on political Trotskyism as history. WL The US was not ripe for socialist revolution in 1928 up to America's entry into the war. Past generations of Trotskyism differs from the parties of the Third International in assessment of the proletarian movement, its stage of maturation

Re: [MLL] Captialism's future: to each according to their stipend.

2011-01-23 Thread Waistline2
Boy, what a great article. Modern bourgeois communism - (not to be confused with revisionism and Marxist dogmatism of the 21st century), advocates a new social contract. The social contract is a legal expression of production relations and their property form, as this production relation

Re: [MLL] Reply . . . and quick note to comrade Mark Scott: Trade Unions

2011-01-21 Thread Waistline2
Comment Trade union work is important. On my list of five important things for Marxists, trade union work comes in about 3 or 4. I know something of this arena, reporting from time to time to this list on the specific nature of MY trade union work; the specific problems in getting MY

Re: [MLL] Reply . . . and quick note to comrade Mark Scott: Trade Unions rewrite

2011-01-21 Thread Waistline2
Rewrite and editing. None of the substance of the original was changed. WL There is a theory question involved in the question of the trade unions and communist work within the trade unions. Communist work in trade unions today must be imbued with historism and disclosure of the

[MLL] New unionization stats bad news for all workers.

2011-01-21 Thread Waistline2
(I understand that a section of society and individual believe it is best to shoot the messenger or charge those delivering news with anti-working class crimes. Here is more of my crimes AND REVISIONISM) WL. New unionization stats bad news for all workers. by Michael Wasser on

[MLL] The myth of 'American exceptionalism' implodes

2011-01-21 Thread Waistline2
_http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/102-102/4659-the-my th-of-american-exceptionalism-implod_ (http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/102-102/4659-the-myth-of-american-exceptionalism-implod) The myth of 'American exceptionalism' implodes Until the

[MLL] Roe v. Wade 38th Anniversary

2011-01-21 Thread Waistline2
Roe v. Wade 38th Anniversary: A Time for Celebration - and Commitment by Merle Hoffman On The Issues Magazine A Magazine of Critical, Independent Thinking January 19, 2011 _http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com/cafe2/article/135_ (http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com/cafe2/article/135)

[MLL] Get outside more often and mingle

2011-01-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/21/2011 10:15:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, geor...@micronetix.net writes: I would again request that if you polemicize against Melvin, you polemicize against his political and ideological views, not by referring to him as this revisionist piece of shit. This only

[MLL] 80,000 homes in Wayne County, Michigan without utlities

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
80,000 homes in Wayne County, Michigan without Utilities Politicians Fiddle While Detroit Burns!! Detroit protest against DTE energy shutoffs. DTE Energy reports that at the start of this fall, 80,000 residential homes were without utilities in Wayne County, and that 60,000 of those

[MLL] Lenin on class; revolution in means of production: New Class

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
What constitutes a class? Classes are large groups of people differing from each other by the place they occupy in a historically determined system of social production, by their relation (in most cases fixed and formulated in law) to the means of production, by their role in the social

[MLL] Milton Rogovin, Working Class Artist and Activist die at 101

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
Milton Rogovin, Working Class Artist and Activist, Presente! 1. Milton Rogovin, Photographer, Dies at 101 New York Times, January 18, 2010 2. The Working-Class Eye of Milton Rogovin New exhibition - Roosevelt University, Chicago January 20 - June 30, 2011 == Milton Rogovin,

[MLL] The Communist society thesis: Goodbye Stalin

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
Capital does not consist in the fact that accumulated labor serves living labor as a means for new production. It consists in the fact that living labor serves accumulated labor as the means of preserving and multiplying its exchange value. Marx The Communist society thesis. WL.

Re: [MLL] The Communist society thesis: Goodbye Stalin

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/20/2011 12:38:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _georgeg@micronetix.net_ (mailto:geor...@micronetix.net) writes: Dear Comrade Mark, I do not know why you think that the other 197+ people on the list accept revisionism. It may be that we just as well that they think that

[MLL] Night in Tunisia

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:12:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, __cb31450@gmail.com_ (mailto:_cb31...@gmail.com) writes: YouTube - Chaka Khan's Night in Tunisia (_http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3818706/10453353_ (http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3818706/10453353) ) Reply Unbelievable.

Re: [MLL] Night in Tunisia

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhCrblDFv4feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhCrblDFv4feature=related) the fight for communism in American as sound. 1978. WL ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list

Re: [MLL] The Communist society thesis: Goodbye Stalin

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
Name calling is not a convincing argument. All that is required is for one single person to show, based on what Marx wrote, my revision of Marx presentation on this question of communist society. Not two people but . . . .1. WL. ___

[MLL] Global Shifts: The Middle East In U.S. Geopolitical Strategy

2011-01-20 Thread Waistline2
The current worldwide financial and economic crisis that started in the U.S. reflects the turmoil global capitalism has been in since 2008. Previously, the U.S. had been able to export the crises generated by capitalist production relations to other countries, while the U.S. remained

[MLL] Fund Request

2011-01-19 Thread Waistline2
From: john hoyt _tentativa21@hotmail.com_ (mailto:tentativ...@hotmail.com) To: ballistanc _ballistanc@yahoo.com_ (mailto:ballist...@yahoo.com) ; _romanabetancouour@yahoo.com_ (mailto:romanabetancou...@yahoo.com) _romanabetancouour@yahoo.com_ (mailto:romanabetancou...@yahoo.com) Cc:

[MLL] Understand this Moment, Stay on Course: Stages of revolutionary struggle

2011-01-19 Thread Waistline2
July 2010 Our country is entering a volatile and difficult phase of its social and political life. People across the vast spectrum that makes up this country are being forced into economic distress they had not envisioned for themselves and their families. Political debate and discussion

[MLL] Auto Workers' Fight Signals Battles Ahead

2011-01-17 Thread Waistline2
Auto Workers' Fight Signals Battles Ahead July.2009.Vol19.Ed4 The papers and news shows are filled with talk about the General Motor's bankruptcy and how terrible it is going to be for the corporations, the bondholders, the rich and powerful. Almost nothing is being said about the

Re: [MLL] Poor Reason Culture still doesn't explain poverty

2011-01-17 Thread Waistline2
Blaming poverty on those in poverty rather than the logic of the economic system is capitalist ideology. Winning a layer of society to this ideology requires unrelenting propaganda by the bourgeoisie. It also requires an expanding economy and economic stability to sustain the lie. As the

[MLL] Welfare Queens driving Welfare Cadillacs. Myth

2011-01-17 Thread Waistline2
_http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm_ (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm) Myth: There are Welfare Queens driving Welfare Cadillacs. Fact: Reagan made up this story. Summary Reagan's story of a Welfare Queen driving a Welfare Cadillac was apocryphal. Even

[MLL] Foreclosures Sweep Wayne County, Michigan

2011-01-17 Thread Waistline2
_http://www.peoplestribune.org/PT.2010.11/PT.2010.11.06.shtml_ (http://www.peoplestribune.org/PT.2010.11/PT.2010.11.06.shtml) Tax Foreclosures Sweep Wayne County, Michigan Maureen Taylor, State Chair, Michigan Welfare Rights Organization (center). PHOTO /daymonjhartley .com The

[MLL] They hated and reviled Dr. King

2011-01-17 Thread Waistline2
King's BEYOND VIETNAM speech given at Riverside Church in New York City on April 4, 1967, provides a side of King's political evolution which is usually omitted in the dominant commercial media's presentation of King. They hated and reviled Dr. King when he said: My third reason moves

[MLL] Class Struggle (as contradiction, antagonism)

2011-01-16 Thread Waistline2
Class Struggle (as class contradiction): Contradiction is the conflict within a thing constituting a unity, rather than struggle between thing. Class contradiction is conflict, the unity and struggle of classes whose unity constitutes the system of production and its property relations.

[MLL] Lougher is political: The politics of insanity

2011-01-16 Thread Waistline2
There is a general rule about the way society treats criminals: place responsibility for antisocial acts on the individual, thus absolving society from blame. The mismatch between society's attitude toward heroes and criminals rests in society's claim of credit on heroes and rejection of

[MLL] Poor Reason Culture still doesn't explain poverty

2011-01-16 Thread Waistline2
Poor Reason Culture still doesn't explain poverty Stephen Steinberg 'Culture of Poverty' Makes a Comeback. So read the headline of Patricia Cohen's front-page article in the October 17, 2010 edition of The New York Times. The article was prompted by a recent issue of the Annals of the

[MLL] Judge Charles Lasata plays doctor : Outrageous

2011-01-16 Thread Waistline2
please forward widely Judge Charles Lasata plays doctor Beverly Lewis from Benton Harbor, Michigan has only a third grade education due to severe epilepsy and a school system lacking resources. She suffers several seizures per day and is heavily medicated. Needless to say, Ms. Lewis,

[MLL] Auto: contract year

2011-01-15 Thread Waistline2
New York Times: BUSINESS DAY | January 13, 2011 Auto Work Force Gets Dividend From Industry's Rebound By BILL VLASIC and NICK BUNKLEY DETROIT - The sweeping overhaul and surprising recovery of the American auto industry is about to pay off handsomely for the blue-collar workers at Ford

[MLL] Arizona Shooting, the Limits of Normal and Our Future (2 views)

2011-01-15 Thread Waistline2
1. Arizona Shooting Means We Have Reached the Limits of the Normal (Roberto Lovato) 2. The Tucson Massacre and Our Future - An Analysis (Lawrence Davidson == Arizona Shooting Means We Have Reached the Limits of the Normal by Roberto Lovato Submitted to Portside by the author

[MLL] End of the imperialist epoch

2011-01-15 Thread Waistline2
(This reply was written in response to a thread on Pen-L, but related to an earlier discussion of Lenin's view and characterization of imperialism and proletarian revolution.) WL. *** Historically, only capitalist countries which have intervened militarily to establish settler

[MLL] Capitalism

2011-01-15 Thread Waistline2
Capitalism Capitalism is not simply trading goods and services (which was widespread prior to the origin of capitalism), but rather an economic and social system where trade is embedded within class domination and exploitation. Workers sell their ability to work, and this ability then

[MLL] UAW set aside $60 million for organizing

2011-01-15 Thread Waistline2
_http://detnews.com/article/20110113/AUTO01/101130397/1148/UAW%E2%80%99s-Kin g-ups-pressure-on-foreign-auto-plants-in-U.S_ (http://detnews.com/article/20110113/AUTO01/101130397/1148/UAW’ s-King-ups-pressure-on-foreign-auto-plants-in-U.S) . UAW's King ups pressure on foreign auto plants in

[MLL] State Of The Unions

2011-01-14 Thread Waistline2
The Financial Page State Of The Unions by James Surowiecki January 17, 2011 . In the heart of the Great Depression, millions of American workers did something they’d never done before: they joined a union. Emboldened by the passage of the Wagner Act, which made collective bargaining easier,

Re: [MLL] State Of The Unions (from Marxist Debate)

2011-01-14 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/12/2011 10:55:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _juliohuato@gmail.com_ (mailto:juliohu...@gmail.com) writes: Thank you. This is very informative. I wish you could elaborate a bit on the points quoted below. When you have a chance. Something similar but at a much

[MLL] Young and Revolutionary: You Are The Future

2011-01-14 Thread Waistline2
Young and Revolutionary: You Are The Future Daily headlines and news feeds continue to pour out new details on the economic crisis, but they rarely discuss the roots of the crisis – the economic revolution brought about through labor- replacing technology. This economic revolution has led

[MLL] The Real World: budget cut struggle back in 1991 Detroit

2011-01-14 Thread Waistline2
_http://abj.matrix.msu.edu/videofull.php?id=29-DF-122_ (http://abj.matrix.msu.edu/videofull.php?id=29-DF-122) ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list Marxist-Leninist-List@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to:

Re: [MLL] State Of The Unions

2011-01-14 Thread Waistline2
(Another Marxist approach the same article on Pen-L.) WL. On 2011-01-13, at 10:56 AM, Jim Devine wrote: Julio Huato: Opinions on this piece? _http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/01/17/110117ta_talk_surowiecki _

[MLL] John Brown lesson of Harpers Ferry

2011-01-12 Thread Waistline2
Harpers Ferry: Courage and clarity changed history once – and will do so again October 16, 2009 will mark exactly 150 years since 21 brave revolutionaries launched an attempt to seize the federal arsenal in Harpers Ferry, and spark a slave uprising in the United States. After 36 hours of

[MLL] The Violence of Capitalism

2011-01-11 Thread Waistline2
The Violence of Capitalism Why is violence increasing today across America and the world? The explosion of violence is a complex phenomenon, with many interacting forces at play. The capitalist ruling class blames individuals, but, in truth, violence in our communities reflects the social

[MLL] unemploymenrt: workforce 154 million

2011-01-10 Thread Waistline2
The Bad News Behind a Falling Jobless Rate Rick Newman, On Friday January 7, 2011, 12:15 pm EST It sounds like welcome news. The unemployment rate dropped from 9.8 percent to 9.4 percent, the sharpest one-month drop since 1998. After months of grim news about jobs, it finally seems like

Re: [MLL] List Protocol: take note of the political climate

2011-01-10 Thread Waistline2
The attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in a Tucson shooting rampage that left six people dead and scores wounded should be a wake up call about the political volatility of the country. OK? Invective: abusive or violent language used to attack, blame, or denounce

[MLL] auto production stats

2011-01-10 Thread Waistline2
(Note: it would be interesting to chart the actual number of individuals involved in auto production – per vehicle, from say 1984 when the industry recovered from the “downturn” bookmarked as Chrysler declaring bankruptcy in the third quarter of 1979, to today, January 2011). WL.

Re: [MLL] List Protocol: take note of the political climate/force

2011-01-10 Thread Waistline2
It would perhaps be educational to look up the role of force in history versus the politically incorrect concept - from the standpoint of Marxism, the role of violence. Force is simultaneously a political power and economic power. Violence is not. That is to say violence is not an economic

[MLL] Before we can unite, Lenin, list contributors and magical thinking

2011-01-09 Thread Waistline2
Before we can unite, and in order that we may unite, we must first of all draw firm and definite lines of demarcation. Otherwise our unity will be purely fictitious... We do not intend to make our publication a mere store-house of various views. On the contrary, we shall conduct it in the

[MLL] Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona shot, many killed and wounded

2011-01-09 Thread Waistline2
Doctors Optimistic Giffords Will Survive Shooting January 09, 2011, 8:53 AM EST Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Doctors are optimistic U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona will survive being shot in the head by a man who opened fire at her community meeting in Tucson, killing six

Re: [MLL] Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona shot, many killed and ...

2011-01-09 Thread Waistline2
Assassins his farewell: Introduction: Jared Loughner YouTube message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4 Congresswoman Giffords was one of 20 candidates identified by Sarah Palin during the last election singled out to be defeated. Jared Lougher's message is utterly devoid of

[MLL] Inmates beaten with hammers

2011-01-09 Thread Waistline2
Inmates beaten with hammers Reports are coming out of Georgia that prison guards have retaliated with violence in response to the Georgia Prison strike that took place last month. According to Georgia State NAACP President Edward Dubose, inmates have been beaten with hammers and other

[MLL] the money: US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq.

2011-01-08 Thread Waistline2
(attached to the question of billions sent to Iraq is the issue of the money supply and why an increase in the money supply does not create inflation under a regime of fiat money. Related to the system of fiat money is the question of government deficit spending or how do we pay for things

Re: [MLL] Know Your Enemy, - goodbye Lenin it was fun [2] (B)

2011-01-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/2/2011 12:12:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _intangib...@aphenomenal.com_ (mailto:intangib...@aphenomenal.com) writes: Continuing on WL - HOWLER #2 What WL's line of argument implicitly suggests is that some economic changes in the organisation of production can be

Re: [MLL] Know Your Enemy, goodbye Lenin it was fun [2] (A)

2011-01-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/2/2011 12:12:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _intangib...@aphenomenal.com_ (mailto:intangib...@aphenomenal.com) writes: Without the party of the new type developed under Lenin, the class could not and would not have acquired the discipline and broad-mindedness necessary

[MLL] On Colonialism by Marx and Engels

2011-01-07 Thread Waistline2
My copy of On Colonialism by Marx and Engels is the 1972 edition published by International Publishers. It is worth owning to understand Marx theory of imperialism as he wrote about imperialism in real time. WL ___ Marxist-Leninist-List

[MLL] Lenin: Marxism and revisionism 1908

2011-01-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/2/2011 12:12:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _intangib...@aphenomenal.com_ (mailto:intangib...@aphenomenal.com) writes: Like the Devil avoiding holy water, WL is silent about the quote from Lenin's 1908 pamphlet on Marxism and Revisionism. So it is reiterated here, in

[MLL] Anti-Immigration Movement: Cutting Edge of a Fascist Social Movement

2011-01-07 Thread Waistline2
The Anti-Immigration Movement: Cutting Edge of a Fascist Social Movement Fascism today is a political response to globalization - capitalism in the age of electronics - and the U.S. battle to dominate the global economy. It is the political expression of the objective concentration of

[MLL] Vang Pao dies at 81; exiled counterrevolutionary Hmong general

2011-01-07 Thread Waistline2
(Van Pao was a collaborator with the US against Vietnamese liberation, a Posada Carriles type. Background: _http://tinyurl.com/lq6ack_ (http://tinyurl.com/lq6ack) ) === latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0107-vang-pao-20110107,0,590760.story

Re: [MLL] Moore Interview

2011-01-06 Thread Waistline2
Actually a retired auto worker am I. After 30 years and retiring from auto, did a stint as a blackjack dealer at MGM casino, then work as a maintenance technician at an apartment complex. Dave Moore was a legendary figure in the proletarian movement, passing in October 2009 at age 97.

[MLL] Penal proletariat: The Prison Industrial Complex:

2011-01-06 Thread Waistline2
The Prison Industrial Complex: Does It Create A New Form Of Slavery? How Much Labor Is Done In The Prison System? What kind of jobs do prisoners get? As stated by many opponents, the Federal Prison Complex produces one hundred percent of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet

[MLL] The People Demand Jobs

2011-01-06 Thread Waistline2
2010 Elections: The People Demand Jobs Protest of autoworkers, Michigan. PHOTO/DAYMON J. HARTLEY The 2010 general elections are over. As in 2008, the American voters once again voiced the economy as their number one issue of concern. They are afraid and want economic growth, with

[MLL] Unemployment and fight against starvation: March 1932 Hungry strike 1

2011-01-05 Thread Waistline2
Unemployment and fight against starvation Breaking into history as narrative is a tricky business, where one is inevitably charged with leaving out an event of importance. This charge is true but stops no one from breaking into history as narrative. The battle against unemployment and

Re: [MLL] Unemployment and fight against starvation: March 1932 Hungry strike 2

2011-01-05 Thread Waistline2
II. Franklin Delano Roosevelt won his first of four presidential elections in 1932, with America not just knee deep in economic depression, wages of starvation and an endless series of bad hair days. When Roosevelt took office March 4, 1933, the Nazi Party had been in power 32 days. In

Re: [MLL] Unemployment and fight against starvation: March 1932 Hungry strike 3

2011-01-05 Thread Waistline2
At that time, the old City Hall in Detroit was located on Michigan and Woodward Avenues. We had a mayor then by the name of Frank Murphy. He was kind of a liberal guy. Mayor Murphy came out and waved at us and said, I’m with you all the way, and raised his hand like that. That sent up a big

[MLL] The Dave Moore Interview II: the real story of organizing Ford

2011-01-05 Thread Waistline2
The Dave Moore Interview II. PA: When was the first time you started working on organizing the auto unions? DM: I got hired at Ford in 1935 making 60 cents an hour in the foundry. That’s where they put all the Blacks. We had a few Italians. We had a few Polish and what not. They had

Re: [MLL] Know Your Enemy, Know Yourself - goodbye Lenin it was fun [2]

2011-01-03 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/2/2011 12:12:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _intangib...@aphenomenal.com_ (mailto:intangib...@aphenomenal.com) writes: Every more or less new question, every more or less unexpected and unforeseen turn of events, even though it change the basic line of development

[MLL] New Epoch Makes New World Possible

2011-01-03 Thread Waistline2
The current economic crisis is more than a cyclical recession, depression, or even Great Depression. This crisis is a stage in the final stages of capitalism. In the wake and undertow of capitalism’s demise, billions of people worldwide are suffering. Society in transition, as one economic

Re: [MLL] List Protocol

2011-01-03 Thread Waistline2
The moderator statement is clear: I do not object to serious debates on the list. This is necessary and important. there is the incessant name calling among these few people. I understand the last sentence to mean stop the name calling and . . . . . continue serious debate. When an

[MLL] History has proved us wrong . . . Engels 1895

2011-01-03 Thread Waistline2
(From Introduction to Karl Marx's The Class Struggles in France 1848 to 1850 F. Engels.) When the February Revolution broke out, all of us, as far as our conceptions of the conditions and the course of revolutionary movements were concerned, were under the spell of previous historical

[MLL] R2 to go on lline

2011-01-02 Thread Waistline2
Alan Taub, GM's vice president of global research and development, said technology refined in the robot could make its way into cars and machinery working the assembly line. The sensing technology, in particular, could have some automotive uses, enabling vehicles to detect and react to

Re: [MLL] The End of Imperialism and Proletarian Revolution? PT 1

2011-01-02 Thread Waistline2
“I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.” Harriet Tubman Comment The proletariat becomes and remains proletariat in relationship to property or bourgeois private property in/as the process – shape, of production. The modern

[MLL] Local governments shed 212,000 jobs last year

2011-01-02 Thread Waistline2
(These 2 articles festooned the NY Times front page today, one on the left side and the other on the right. It could not be more obvious that a union-busting attack is being planned that will sorely test the leadership of AFSCME et al.) January 1, 2011 Public Workers Facing Outrage as

[MLL] The Fiery Trial: Lincoln and Slavery

2011-01-02 Thread Waistline2
_http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Reviews-Essays/The-Fiery-Trial/ba-p/3 931_ (http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Reviews-Essays/The-Fiery-Trial/ba-p/3931) December 30, 2010 The Fiery Trial By ERIC FONER Reviewed by Scott McLemee Just after publishing The Black Jacobins (1938),

[MLL] Civil War, 150 Years Later, Still Divides Our Nation

2011-01-02 Thread Waistline2
We recognize and stated in all the media interviews that slavery was an issue in the war, Simpson said. But this would be like taking a book that has 10 or 15 chapters and tearing all the chapters out except one. While slavery was an issue, it was by no means what brought about the war.

Re: [MLL] list protocol

2011-01-02 Thread Waistline2
Point well taken. I would like to improve the environment of the list. Specifically, I will not respond to or debate any topics with Mr. F580 or Mr. Mark Scott. Any time I write on a common or similar topic., their name will never be mentioned or material quoted from their contributions.

[MLL] Depression Economics

2011-01-02 Thread Waistline2
SLATE / Thursday, Dec. 30, 2010, at 3:31 PM ET Depression Economics What happens to people when their unemployment insurance runs out and they still can't find a job? By Annie Lowrey What happens after unemployment insurance runs out? If 2008 was the year of the financial crisis,

Re: [MLL] Another Correction and Another Thought

2011-01-01 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/31/2010 5:07:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark1scot...@yahoo.com writes: Under today's qualitatively new conditions fascism represents the bourgeoisie's struggle to align the superstructure with the changing nature of private property relations. Fascism today

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