is a shim) to bring it back up to about 650.
-Max
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max - You
Ahh - I mis-spoke. It's pressure operated. It opens the waste gate when the
manifold pressure hits a given value.
This is the link to order the control that most closely fits the 2.5T engine
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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery
: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:44 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Regarding the old DV springs being shorter than the new, I found the
same when I did the job on my OM603 in my '87 wagon, but did not notice
any change in performance
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Max - You wrote trying to cure a
rough idle, finally it dawned on me to unplug the electronic idle
control which did the trick
What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one?
On a 603 it's a small black
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain
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On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one?
On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the
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Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:42 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain
300D
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 8:42 PM
OK, The noise is probably more loud
than I initially thought. I cracked the
fuel line
, or if they are properly sealing.
Dan
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From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:06 PM
One more question
I forget who it was (Neiman?) on the Peachparts site has found a vacuum
operated waste gate that can replace the electric one in the 2.5T, which
allows you to disable the EGR, since the circuit opens the electric
wastegate when it senses the EGR is disabled. Seems like the best way around
the
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:29:43 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
I forget who it was (Neiman?) on the Peachparts site has found a vacuum
operated waste gate that can replace the electric one in the 2.5T, which
allows you to disable the EGR, since the circuit opens the electric
wastegate when
Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I would also recommend changing to synthetic oil if you are not using it
now -- I had very little crud at 270,000 miles
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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I thought the rule of thumb was that NA's like clean intake. plumbing,
while those with blowers do
] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:16 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
re the question about the oil I have used - Have been using Synthetic
since we bought this car ~3 years and 75K miles ago - I would describe
what I found
!
Larry
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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
From 14-1310 on the CD - 25nm, or 18.4 lb-ft. No lock-tite needed.
All it
needs is enough torque
John Reames wrote:
I hear that B100 is really good for that.
What do you do, soak it in the stuff?
Mitch.
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Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it. It
seems that every drop of splatter will stain forever, its nasty stuff. BTDT
Thanks
Harry
*Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the
intake plenum? .
Thx!
Larry
I would also recommend changing to synthetic oil if you are not using it now --
I had very little crud at 270,000 miles with synthetic, and my brother had
none, only liquid black slime.
A cracked head, however, will cause all sorts of crap to collect at the EGR
port, though.
Peter
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it.
It seems that every drop
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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I second that recommendation. I've
: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I second that recommendation. I've tried cleaning it myself, it
quickly
turned into a really messy nasty job. If you want it clean, pay a
professional. Marshall always used to say that cleaning them would
make
NO difference in performance.
-Max
:15 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I second that recommendation. I've tried cleaning it myself, it
quickly
turned into a really messy nasty job. If you want it clean, pay a
professional. Marshall always used to say
On Gump, which Marshall was quick to point out belongs to another set
of rules, the cleaning of the intake did make her drive a bit better.
Naturally aspirated engines don't like excess input restrictions.
Turbo-fed ones generally have excess air available, and you can
restrict the input down
Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Lining the prong with clean fine oil ( NOT 3 in 1 -- sewing machine oil
is ok ) helps avoid cut rings
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They are tight because the steel bolts seize in the aluminum intake.
Don't use locktite, use anti-seize. I do , on every steel bolt in
aluminum, and even on steel to steel if there is a possibility of
corrosion.
15 ft/lbs is about right, that bolt is a 6mm in aluminum, much
tighter and
From 14-1310 on the CD - 25nm, or 18.4 lb-ft. No lock-tite needed. All it
needs is enough torque to seal to the head -
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Gang -- I have started to prep things so I can rebuild my delivery
valves - I have the springs,
Oh yea, i remember you sending me that stuff. I am sure I have it still
but if you want you can send it again just in case I dont.
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On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:32:02 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
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IF you sent me info and pictures I may or may not have
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:40:02 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:
Oh yea, i remember you sending me that stuff. I am sure I have it still
but if you want you can send it again just in case I dont.
How about you give a shout if you find you don't have them?
Craig
that will work.
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:40:02 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:
Oh yea, i remember you sending me that stuff. I am sure I have it still
but if you want you can send it again just in case I dont.
How about you give a shout if you
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Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:15 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
According to my recollection of Marshall Booth's descriptions, it is
possible to follow correct torque procedure (30Nm - release
Automatical defornication! I like it!
Well, I begged and the shop decided they would do the DV on Gump.
He was not pleased when I showed up, but it took all of 30 minutes
to do the job, he was happy as a clam when I came to pick her up.
clay
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
According to my recollection of Marshall Booth's descriptions, it is
possible to follow correct torque
Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good
results by following the instructions. As with all injector work,
cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and
you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts
to show, then wash the
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Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I've done the job on 2 603's and 2 602s - doing all the valves at once,
and
never had a problem. I did follow the instructions to the letter
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Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good
results by following the instructions. As with all
Lining the prong with clean fine oil ( NOT 3 in 1 -- sewing machine
oil is ok ) helps avoid cut rings
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On Jan 9, 2010, at 8:20, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done
.
Harry
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From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you
use to wash things
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Doing one at a time is excess
Vaseline or silicone grease works better. Vaseline is actually the
specified material -- it IS hydrocarbon wax, after all. Don't use
anything but pure stuff, no scents or etc.
Peter
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Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I use brake parts cleaner and air to blow it dry. To find the leakers,
sprinkle some baby powder around the DVs and watch.
I've
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Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:47 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Vaseline or silicone grease works better. Vaseline is actually the
specified material -- it IS hydrocarbon wax, after all. Don't use
anything but pure
Brake parts cleaner in the aerosol can --
What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel?
Thanks -
LarryT
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:
Vaseline or silicone grease works better. Vaseline is actually the
specified material -- it IS hydrocarbon wax, after all. Don't use anything
but pure stuff, no scents or
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Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Thx for that Harry - You wrote I used the hold
down straps as a wrench to do the torque.
You didn't use a torque wrench? Don't understand ---
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: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good
results by following the instructions. As with all injector work,
cleanliness is the primary concern
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:21:36 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:
Im going to save that to put up on okiebenz if I ever get around to
doing the article section.
So you will include it with the information and pictures I sent?
Craig
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Im going to save that to put up on okiebenz if I
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:32:02 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:
IF you sent me info and pictures I may or may not have it around
somewhere. I need to start digging thru my stuff and getting it up
there.
I sent you the following ZIP files of pictures:
940K Dec 19 2005
: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:41 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
The lockdown straps are splined. You stack two on a DV and leave the ends
facing out, their thickness is more than a 1/4. I then used either a
17mm or 11/16 crowsfoot
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness,
patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque
wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive
damage if done wrong, so
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness,
patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque
wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive
damage if done wrong, so handing
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max -
One more question about doing the DVs - if I go ahead
in order to reduce the
possibility of a problem?
-Max
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Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max,
I've yet
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max,
I've yet to do my DVs since it's so greatly improved following the
MMs -
but the DVS are leaking and need t be changed. I was considering your
suggestion about doing 1, start the engine, then move to the next
to reduce the
possibility of a problem?
-Max
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Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max,
I've yet to do my
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On Jan 8, 2010, at 16:26, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
Doing them one at a time and then testing on an OM606 is a MAJOR
pain; you have to
I've done the job on 2 603's and 2 602s - doing all the valves at once, and
never had a problem. I did follow the instructions to the letter, and was
very careful. Some were leaking before, noe after. Never did notice any
change in noise.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Reames
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for
him
to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not
interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job
anyway.
I have done
] Fuel delivery valve job
The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him
to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not
interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway.
I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up
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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:07 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness,
patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque
wrench, and some parts. However, easy
: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him
to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not
interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do
Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Having been the source of much of the fornication of the jobs on Gump, I
pay dearly for the defornication.
Water pump was a good example. Found out that I had the original pump,
and the nuts were welded on by age. No matter how carefully I
, January 05, 2010 12:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Having been the source of much of the fornication of the jobs on
Gump, I
pay dearly for the defornication.
Water pump was a good example. Found out that I had the original
pump,
and the nuts were
the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses!
-Max
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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for
him
to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he
The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him
to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not
interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway.
I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up
screwing the car
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