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Actually, there are two Muni employees on board. A gripman and a conductor. You need a conductor to handle the fares of people who get on between the ends of the lines. When I lived there a monthly Muni pass was like $25, meaning you could ride unlimited times. A single ticket for the

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Yup, the gripman. You should have gone to the museum. Seeing the motors that run the cars is pretty cool. -Curt On Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 10:51:28 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: So they do have an operator on board. I was not sure. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 11,

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So they do have an operator on board. I was not sure. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 11, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >  > The cable cars can disengage the cable. The cable never stops but the cars do. > > I was on the cable car once when a lady in a Land Rover kept getting in our

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The cable cars can disengage the cable. The cable never stops but the cars do. I was on the cable car once when a lady in a Land Rover kept getting in our lane. The gripman was ringing the bell like crazy, I remember he called out "You're making my day lady!" Its hard work starting and stopping

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Although I'm much too young to have lived in the age of trolleys I have gotten to go here: https://trolleymuseum.org/several times. They used to have "Moxie Day" and a model train club I was part of would put up a modular model railroad. Got to ride the trolleys for free. -Curt On

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I did not. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 11, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Either they stop if they can or you get hit. They have accidents with motor > vehicles pretty regularly from what I recall. > > Did you ride a cable car? If not, you missed out on a pretty

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Either they stop if they can or you get hit. They have accidents with motor vehicles pretty regularly from what I recall. Did you ride a cable car? If not, you missed out on a pretty cool experience. Especially if if you did the Powell/Mason line, as it has some seriously steep hills. Riding

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So one thing I wondered while out here but didn’t encounter. On some of these streets you are driving over the track for the cable car. What happens if one is coming at you and you can’t move over? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 11, 2020, at 7:07 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes > wrote: > >

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Louisville had the very old fashioned trolleys during the 1930s. One wire, one trolley, and I guess the railroad type tracks down the middle of streets served as the ground. Bad boys would hang on the back, and when the trolley stopped again they would pull the trolley off the overhead wire.

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I drove on that street once and walked up it once --FT Sent from iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:52:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Go see Lombard st, the twistiest road in the USA. > > On our honeymoon in

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Same thing in Indianapolis. South side had “Stop 11, Stop 13", etc., etc. They referred to it as the “interurban”. My maternal grandfather was a conductor for some years on the interurban system there, so I’ve been told. -D > On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:01 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote:

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Had them in Dayton OH too. There was a road north of town named "Stop 8 Road. Guess why. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff via Mercedes > > Welcome to the way things used to work. And work well. > > Catenary system,

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good ol Robert mcnamara. "what's good fer GM is good fer the US."   so GM/gummit got Lost angels to abandon the subway, Lektrik trolleys, lektrik busses, and spread the curse all over the USA.  Probably every major city had Lectric trolleys, trains and busses.   There was a Lektrik railway

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Got ya Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:00:20 -0700 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Down or up? Up would have been interesting. > > It is one-way down. > > > Craig > >>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Craig

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:00:20 -0700 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Down or up? Up would have been interesting. It is one-way down. Craig > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Craig via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:52:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes > >

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I agree. I love spending time in SF. One time i talked,a,cable car operator to let me ride back to car barn. How cool. North End has,great Italian food. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 6:32 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I hadn't realized

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Down or up? Up would have been interesting. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:52:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Go see Lombard st, the twistiest road in the USA. > > On our honeymoon in 1975, I

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I took a pic of one as it was going by but didn’t mess with riding one. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >  Or the cool old trolleys. We saw them both times we were there but never > managed to get to that side of the city to ride

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I hadn't realized where the Tenderloin was until I was looking at the map just now, its really not that bad an area. Actually none of San Francisco is anywhere I'd consider terribly dangerous. The Haight is a little sketch but really not terribly unsafe, pay attention at all times, don't leave

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And I had my directions mixed up earlier - the Tenderloin is east of Haight Ashbury, not west. It’s been a few years since I lived there… -D > On Mar 10, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Lombard is almost impassable any more due to all the touristas. The >

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Lombard is almost impassable any more due to all the touristas. The commissioners have entertained charging to drive it, closing it, etc., all to no avail. What the locals won’t tell you is that a much better drive is Vermont Street south of 20th over in Potrero Hill.

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I remember them in Brooklyn when I was a kid. I think there might have been some trolleys too. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 2:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc:

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:52:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Go see Lombard st, the twistiest road in the USA. On our honeymoon in 1975, I drove our '72 220D/8 down Lombard Street. We got lots of stares and cheering ... Craig ___

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Welcome to the way things used to work. And work well. Catenary system, or “overhead wire” as it’s also known. Common method of providing power to trolleys, trains, and at one time, even busses. Go to Europe and you’ll see most of the trains have these as they’re electric and powered through

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Trackless trolleys. They have them in Boston too. -Curt On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 5:14:22 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: After a left fisherman’s wharf I stumbled across Chinatown. Talk about a 3rd world looking area. Lots of orientals running around in masks. Past

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Or the cool old trolleys. We saw them both times we were there but never managed to get to that side of the city to ride them. Go see Lombard st, the twistiest road in the USA. IIRC it goes up Russian hill, turn left at the top and again IIRC there are a couple really great ice cream shops on

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I didn’t do any tours although I did think about it. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dang, I forgot about Alcatraz. That’s a great tour, especially the audio > tour. They have former inmates who narrate it, makes it really cool. > >

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After a left fisherman’s wharf I stumbled across Chinatown. Talk about a 3rd world looking area. Lots of orientals running around in masks. Past Chinatown toward the highway there was a massive amount of cops surrounding a large group of people. No idea what that was all about. They have these

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Dang, I forgot about Alcatraz. That’s a great tour, especially the audio tour. They have former inmates who narrate it, makes it really cool. You’ll never find parking in SFO. Best to dump the car at a common point and use the cable cars or a cab. -D > On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb

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The all want everything free.  In the real world, the place where everything is free is prison or slavery.   So the kollyfoneyians vote for morons who promise free stuff, but enslave/imprison them.   Unfortunately, the goobers forgot to prevent the inmates from escaping.   So they flee to free

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I've stayed there a coupla times years ago, I think that was the place that had a fancy restaurant in it I would brunch at, or maybe it was in a place close by.  Some well-known chef, food was really good but it was a bit spendy.  there were lots of good restaurants there, some outfit had 6

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California is beautiful, but the government and people suck. Although most of the people I have encountered have been nice. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > +1 That is why people are fleeing in the thousands. > >> Greg

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For every one that leaves two more that want to be waiters arrive. Oh wait, I meant actors, they want to be actors. They will be waiters but they want to be actors... -Curt On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 3:52:49 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: +1   That is why people are

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+1   That is why people are fleeing in the thousands. Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes March 10, 2020 at 1:09 PM I have spent some time in SF, and was surprised and disappointed in their Chinatown, Having worked next door to NYC's Chinatown. Much better selection

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I’m currently at fisherman’s wharf eating at some seafood place. Just had shrimp. Not a big clam guy. When out to the end and saw Alcatraz and the golden gate so I can cross those off. Drove by the Fairmont hotel, always wanted to see it from the old TV show. I wanted to park and go in but gave

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LA has good pockets, mostly restaurants, bookstores and breweries. Say what you will about hipsters, they take beer and coffee seriously and make excellent examples of each, sometimes together even. -Curt On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 3:24:34 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

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OK, I'll concede on that. Had a buddy in San Diego, we went on a camping trip near Mono Lake and hot springs that was pretty awesome. I'm focusing on SF and LA. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of dan--- via Mercedes Sent:

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> Some people are thinking of removing those places from California, as the > attached picture shows. Eastern WA wants to lose Western WA (but not the coastal areas) just as badly as eastern OR wants to lose western OR. (Coastal OR is considerably more built-up than coastal WA, so there's some

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Just certain parts. I’ll take the Sierras and most of northern CA (like Redding, Yreka, the northern coast) any time. -D > On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes > wrote: > If possible, I would prefer never to step foot in Calif again. CA sucks. > > Greg > > -Original

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I have spent some time in SF, and was surprised and disappointed in their Chinatown, Having worked next door to NYC's Chinatown. Much better selection and food in NY than SF, IMO. If possible, I would prefer never to step foot in Calif again. CA sucks. Greg -Original Message- From:

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So it’s 10:54 local time and I am done for the day. I guess I will head up and see the sights Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:24 AM, dan--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > When it comes to an assortment of ethnic neighborhoods, I think Milwaukee > wins hands down. You can stay in

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Ok, I was just trying to make the distinction, that’s all. My paternal grandfather was Macedonianif you called him Greek he would get pretty pissed. -D > On Mar 10, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >  > "Macedonian (sort of Greek)" > > Alexander the Great begs to differ, he says

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"Macedonian (sort of Greek)" Alexander the Great begs to differ, he says "Greek is sort of Macedonian." ;) https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/alexander-the-great/ -Curt On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 1:24:39 PM EDT, dan--- via Mercedes wrote: When it comes to an assortment of ethnic

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When it comes to an assortment of ethnic neighborhoods, I think Milwaukee wins hands down. You can stay in an area about 2-3 square miles and hit a good 5-7 different ethnicities. Spread out more and get more. I can recall: Greek Polish Peruvian German Slovak Macedonian (sort of Greek) Mexican

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I used to go to chinatown in Chit-cago.   That was fun.   Also went to the Greek part and the sandrat part to pick up various specialty foods.    We were selling ramen noodles before they became mainstream. Dan Penoff via Mercedes March 10, 2020 at 11:54 AM If

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If he wants sketchy he can head west from H-A to the Tenderloin District. Free needles, just pick them up off the street. Chinatown rocks, even if you don’t eat anything. I loved just wandering the streets there and looking at all the cool shops and stuff. -D > On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:27 PM,

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https://thegrovesf.com/ In the mission district, near Chinatown. We stayed near there once, the food is good and the decor is cool. In Chinatown just pick a place that looks cool, theres loads of good options. You might also try Haight\Ashbury, probably not after dark though, its pretty

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Run back and forth across the Golden Gate Bridge. That’s what I do when I’m there. Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > As I said earlier, if you’ve got time do the tourista stuff, it’s fun and > entertaining and you’ll be

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As I said earlier, if you’ve got time do the tourista stuff, it’s fun and entertaining and you’ll be surrounded by crowds and homeless selling sweatshirts when the sun goes down and the temperature drops 20 degrees. Fisherman’s Wharf, Boudin’s (bakery) and a sourdough bread bowl of clam

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Good point Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > >  > How much ammunition do you have with you? That's my criteria. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > Mar 9, 2020 9:56:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > >> I’m discovering it would be nice

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How much ammunition do you have with you? That's my criteria. Max Dillon Charleston SC Mar 9, 2020 9:56:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > I’m discovering it would be nice to be out here longer than 2 days, but it’s > a work trip. I’m > Planning on heading into town tomorrow afternoon.

[MBZ] Good spots for lunch and dinner in SF

I’m discovering it would be nice to be out here longer than 2 days, but it’s a work trip. I’m Planning on heading into town tomorrow afternoon. Should I head to the fisherman wharf area? It’s also not much fun when you are by yourself so I tend to just stick to places close to hotel or chain