[MBZ] OT, HDTV and surround sound question

2008-01-06 Thread Striplin Admin account
OK, so for my receiver I have a Kenwood that has 2 optical inputs for surround sound. The receiver of course switches automatically to whatever mode is received (2.0, 5.1, or whatever). I have the HDDVD player hooked to one port, and the sat box hooked to the other. I just discovered we

Re: [MBZ] OT, HDTV and surround sound question

2008-01-06 Thread Jeff Zedic
Kaleb, 7.1 surround is two in front, two in the rear, two in the middle between front and rear, centre channel and sub. There's also 9.1 (don't ask) It may be that the PS3 is not sending 5.1 as the default or that the tv is not set to receive 5.1 as default from the optical in. Check the setup

Re: [MBZ] OT, HDTV and surround sound question

2008-01-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have checked the tv but I will check again, dont think there was an option for setting the optical out. How much do I want to spend? Not sure, as little as possible though and still get the 7.1 etc and all that, at least 6.1. From what I have researched, even though there is 7.1, there is

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:05:52 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed My Son works for Verizon he has stated more than once

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV It's the same arguement that was made for BW TV. The only difference was that color would play on a BW TV. But back then, people were complaining about the fact BW quality would suffer due to made

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original You wrote:The only difference was that color would play on a BW TV The *only* difference?? You say

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When color tv came out we got stuck with a SUCKY TV standard because of all the whiners that had to keep the BW tvs. The compromises made totally ruined what could have been a good thing Back then, a television set was a major purchase, relative to most

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 4, 2008 6:05 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other really good point the complainers seem to ignore is that the analog towers aren't likely to be shutdown and mothballed. That just doesn't make any sense at all. They'll be converted to digital and things will go on.

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV LarryT wrote: Exactly. They gradually degrade service until digital becomes mandatory to guarantee consistant service. And how did they do that? I think somebody would notice and complain

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 4, 2008 8:59 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for digital picking up where analog left off, I'll believe it when I see it. Show me a coverage map from any of the major carriers that indicates digital service is available

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: Exactly. They gradually degrade service until digital becomes mandatory to guarantee consistant service. And how did they do that? I think somebody would notice and complain if they turned off a tower. Come on! Most people upgrade their phones!! That is 99% of the reason

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for digital picking up where analog left off, I'll believe it when I see it. Show me a coverage map from any of the major carriers that indicates digital service is available *everywhere* in the USA, the way analog is now, and I'll gladly stand

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's encouraging! Yep, if I could get just a bit more signal strength I'd give serious consideration to dropping my land line. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Allan Streib
That sounds pretty interesting I will have to check that out... thanks for the info. Allan John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 12:11:58PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Yep, if I could get just a bit more signal strength I'd give serious consideration to

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Timothy Robinson
List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:29:44 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Howdy John, Didn;t mean to imply they would turn off towers - but as far as upgrading phones - when I bought my last phones all I wanted was a basic

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: Didn;t mean to imply they would turn off towers - but as far as upgrading phones - when I bought my last phones all I wanted was a basic phone - all I do is place calls - don;t need a screen, send/receive text, a camera, and all the other enhancements on the phones. Looking at

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 12:11:58PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's encouraging! Yep, if I could get just a bit more signal strength I'd give serious consideration to dropping my land line. A car kit and a piece of sheet metal to make a ground

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread John Robbins
Kevin wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 12:11:58PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Yep, if I could get just a bit more signal strength I'd give serious consideration to dropping my land line. A car kit and a piece of sheet metal to make a ground plane, then put the antenna outside on top of

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed A lot of the basic phones have cameras, but the basic ones don't have a good camera in them. So while you

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Kevin
Will be interesting to see how that turns out, once someone stands up and fights them on it. On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 03:49:27PM -0600, John Robbins wrote: On an unrelated note, the RIAA is now suing people for making MP3s off of the music CD they have legally purchased.

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: Hopefully he can burn them to DVDs? I missed an episode of NCIS IIRC and it was posted on the net within a week of the original airing on their official website - burned it to a DVD and Viola! Presto Chango - Elvis is Back! ;-) Unfortunately, DRM (digital rights management)

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
- From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV LarryT wrote: Didn;t mean to imply they would turn off towers - but as far as upgrading phones - when I bought my last phones all I

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote: Hi John, You wrote:My brother just bought a season of some sitcom for $15. No commercials. He does have to watch it on his computer though. Best Buy had a 1/2 off TV DVD sale last week. I completed my M*A*S*H collection at $17.49 per season (except for #11, which was

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-04 Thread LarryT
] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV LarryT wrote: Hopefully he can burn them to DVDs? I missed an episode of NCIS IIRC and it was posted on the net within a week of the original airing on their official website

[MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Rich Thomas
A few weeks back we were discussing HDTVs. I had bought a Vizio 32 720P for the bedroom, a good deal at Sams. Well right before Christmas the thing started locking up when attempting to access certain channels, couldn't turn it off, no buttons worked, gray screen of death. Did a little

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Allan Streib
Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think on the smaller screens, 720P is quite adequate as your eyes probably can't resolve any more pixels anyway, from a bedroom distance. On a bigger screen the 1080P would probably be the better choice. I think plain old NSTC is just fine. HDTV

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: I think plain old NSTC is just fine. Have you seen actual HDTV sources on an HDTV? For some things its not really noticeable at all, but on others the difference is very noticeable (action movies not much difference, but PBS nature/travel programs are amazing). If you

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, you have a point there, for some viewers and viewing experiences a plain old TV is just fine. But NTSC is going away next year with the conversion to digital, technology marches forward. I do like the new TVs though, the picture is quite nice and much better than the old tubes. We

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT HDTV A few weeks back we were discussing HDTVs. I had bought a Vizio 32 720P for the bedroom, a good deal at Sams. Well right before Christmas the thing started locking up when attempting to access certain channels, couldn't

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: So when the change happens next year, what sort of converter box will a person need. If a person has digital cable with a digital cable box, will their old TV still work? What if they have dish network or something, will that work as well since its digital?

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Allan Streib
Yeah, we have an HD set in the living room (not my choice...). I don't play video games, I think 90% of what's on TV is not worth watching, and what I do watch I looks fine to me in standard def. The HD is nice for sports, but I could easily live without it vs. having to deal with stupid

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Well, you have a point there, for some viewers and viewing experiences a plain

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
heat (kinda necessary when its zero degrees out), while the 30 year old furnace with the standing pilot in my parents house continues to provide trouble-free service as it has done for decades. My dad's oil furnace was installed in '52 or so. Daytime heat is provided by the little Vermont

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Rich Thomas
If you get your TV off the air you will need a converter box to change the digital signal to something an older NTSC TV tuner will understand. Just yesterday the gummint is giving away $40 coupons to use to buy one of these boxes, which are going to be probably $60-$80, until everyone starts

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Curt Raymond
AFAIK Vizio is about the Yugo of TVs right now Samsung makes very good stuff. I like 720 better for lots of technical reasons. In the end both 720 and 1080 are better than NTSC... -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:38:25 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT HDTV

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Curt Raymond
NOT TRUE! NTSC will still be there, it'll just be broadcast in digtal not analog. The converter box will just convert from digital to analog, it'll still be good old 480i. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:25:54 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
and sat be HD then, or not? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV If you get your TV

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Rich Thomas
Did I get that part wrong? I thought NTSC was being replaced by ATSC (which is the digital transmission?). I might be FOS or ignorant or both on that part, but you will still need a box to convert the signals. For Kleb getting the locals through his Dish box, I don;t know, you will have to

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV I use Dish which has some normal channels, and some HD channels, the local channels on the sat are standard. I have

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Rich Thomas wrote: Did I get that part wrong? I thought NTSC was being replaced by ATSC (which is the digital transmission?). I might be FOS or ignorant or both on that part, but you will still need a box to convert the signals. I think what he was saying is that just because its digital

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Rich Thomas
There is nothing to force HD, only digital transmissions over the air. Some stations are throttling back their HD bit rate to add the other digital channels. So you can get a crappy HD channel along with a bunch of other crap too. The satellites have to manage HD channel bit rates too, the

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
: [MBZ] OT HDTV Did I get that part wrong? I thought NTSC was being replaced by ATSC (which is the digital transmission?). I might be FOS or ignorant or both on that part, but you will still need a box to convert the signals. For Kleb getting the locals through his Dish box, I don;t know, you

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Curt Raymond
:03 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Did I get that part wrong? I thought NTSC was being replaced by ATSC (which

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Curt Raymond
Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Did I get that part wrong? I thought NTSC was being replaced by ATSC (which is the digital transmission

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread LarryT
- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Yeah, we have an HD set in the living room (not my choice...). I don't play video games, I think 90% of what's on TV is not worth watching

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Harry Watkins
FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Did I get that part wrong? I thought NTSC was being replaced by ATSC (which

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: And if you look in your furnace you will see the same thing - wires and black boxes. Besides the circuit board those black boxes (at least in my 2 year old 93% efficient furnace) all serve discrete functions, are replaceable, and the manual provides a checklist for

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Harry Watkins wrote: Sad but true, our govmimmt gonna make sure you get da box. They forced the digital down our throats, and they are selling off the frequencies that are opening up from the move to digital (for big money). Why not make it easier for those who didn't want to/can't upgrade

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
it does --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Kaleb's TV is brand new, it surely has

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Curt Raymond
Kaleb's TV is brand new, it surely has a digital tuner. If it doesn't he bought a crap tv. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:25:31 -0600 From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 3, 2008 12:31 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins wrote: Sad but true, our govmimmt gonna make sure you get da box. They forced the digital down our throats, and they are selling off the frequencies that are opening up from the move to digital (for big money).

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Along these lines, a more serious issue for many people that is getting a lot less press is the coming (next month!) shutoff of the analog cellular network. Large portions of the West still have no digital cell service I always assumed that digital TDMA coverage was

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
, January 03, 2008 2:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Harry Watkins wrote: Sad but true, our govmimmt gonna make sure you get da box. They forced the digital down our throats, and they are selling off the frequencies that are opening up from the move to digital

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:25:54 -0600, Rich wrote: Well, you have a point there, for some viewers and viewing experiences a plain old TV is just fine. But NTSC is going away next year with the conversion to digital, technology marches forward. Almost. Broadcast NTSC is going

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Tom Hargrave wrote: The Government has been meddling with the airwaves since radio began. They have been carving out licensing all along this is one of the few areas where they actually do good. They license every band and AM, FM and all of VHF UHF TV channels are just a short list. Without

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 3, 2008 2:55 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Along these lines, a more serious issue for many people that is getting a lot less press is the coming (next month!) shutoff of the analog cellular network. Large portions of the West still have no

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
, 2008 5:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV On Jan 3, 2008 2:55 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Along these lines, a more serious issue for many people that is getting a lot less press is the coming (next month!) shutoff

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 3, 2008 3:52 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Son works for Verizon he has stated more than once that only about 0.2% of their cell phones are analog. I don't see that that's relevant. They may not make or sell many analog-capable phones. I still for one seek them out,

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Alex Chamberlain wrote: I don't see that that's relevant. They may not make or sell many analog-capable phones. I still for one seek them out, and I can't be the only person. For most people who never venture out of the big city, analog coverage is a nonissue. For the few people to whom it

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Freer
are analog. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV On Jan 3, 2008 2

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
So, do we stop progress for the few who don't want to change? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 7:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Ananlog phones are just a drop

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
will have analog cell phones. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 7:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Alex Chamberlain wrote: I don't see that that's relevant. They may

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Freer
, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, do we stop progress for the few who don't want to change? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 7:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread LWB250
There was an article in the WSJ a month or so ago about this, mainly talking about how GM knew about the change some time ago, but did nothing to change or re-engineer the OnStar systems they were selling. They also mentioned the poor, nearly non-existent notice provided to their subscribers.

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Harry Watkins
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Ananlog phones are just a drop in the bucket. Also affected un Feb will be OnStar type communications, including MB, and home security systems. John On 1/3/08, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Son

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
And this is 1 year 1 month away very reasonable. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 8:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV This is what that Gov site stated: At midnight

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV No, no I'm not saying that. It's just that this change came forward without any consumer warning. According to the AP article, the only notice that GM gave it's customers was buried on the back pages of their website. I don't know

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kevin
Right. Instead, blame the government for catering to special interests and not taking the general public into account. On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:32:26PM -0600, Tom Hargrave wrote: Don't blame the government for GM not wanting to impact short term sales... This is one of several reasons

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kevin
year 1 month away very reasonable. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 8:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV This is what that Gov site stated: At midnight

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 3, 2008 4:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, do we stop progress for the few who don't want to change? Tom www.kegkits.com Of course not. But at least give people an option! With the OnStar issue brought up, you have an option to keep it working (even if not a very

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 8:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV That all depends. It's very reasonable for people who choose to upgrade the technology to hi def, or for people who choose to give lots of money away to cable or satellite companies

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
Who is your service provider? Why are they not keeping up with technology? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 8:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV On Jan 3, 2008 4:51

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Mitch Haley
John Robbins wrote: He did not say sales are .2% I'm pretty sure he meant analog phones make up .2% of all the phones currently subscribed to Verizon. I'm sure you are talking about analog only phones. There are millions of analog capable phones in service, some work mainly in TDMA digital

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Kevin wrote: Right. Instead, blame the government for catering to special interests and not taking the general public into account. If only .2% of the public (or the public that subscribe to Verizon at least, see reference to Tom Hargrave's son) use analog phones, I think the general public

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Kevin wrote: It's not reasonable for people who would otherwise not invest in the technology to be able to watch local news, and really don't care about the quality of the picture enough to notice the difference between digital and analog signals. Which is why the government is giving out

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Kevin
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:14:37PM -0600, John Robbins wrote: Kevin wrote: Right. Instead, blame the government for catering to special interests and not taking the general public into account. If only .2% of the public (or the public that subscribe to Verizon at least, see reference to

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Mitch Haley wrote: I'm sure you are talking about analog only phones. There are millions of analog capable phones in service, some work mainly in TDMA digital modes, others in CDMA, but when the need arises, they can go analog (and battery life goes to zero, but that's another story) Now that

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Mitch Haley
Kevin wrote: Is that true, or have they been forced there by vendors trying to cram them onto smaller channels? I doubt everyone (like the number suggests) willingly decided to upgrade to digital. I suspect most weren't given the option. Most cell phone users willingly or eagerly replace

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
no service. Who's fault will this be? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 9:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Mitch Haley wrote: I'm sure you are talking about analog only

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
That's the upgrade that I mentioned in my previous email. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 9:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Kevin wrote: Is that true, or have

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Tom Hargrave
Analog will no longer exist in February. Your multi-mode phone will work in digital mode only. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/3/08 9:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV John

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John M McIntosh
On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:07 PM, John Freer wrote: Again, I don't know how MB is handling their customers with contracts already in place. I think buried on their site is a document that talks about it. For most of the cars you can convert from analog to digital for a fee.. How much you pay

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Mitch Haley wrote: She told me that Verizon told her the phone would go out of service in February, but they'd give her a new phone for free and keep her at $9.99 per month. She's happy, I'm stunned. I had figured Verizon would find some way to make her pay through the nose for the

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
My Son works for Verizon he has stated more than once that only about 0.2% of their cell phones are analog. Great! I won't even notice when I'm in that 0.2% of where/when I travel that I'm not in easy coat-less walking distance to another phone or a warm place to sit. What're the chances

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread John Robbins
Jim Cathey wrote: It's not about percentage of any sort of coverage, it's about how critical non-communication is in the areas that are about to go dead. No more critical than they were before cell-phones ;) After the change, I won't be able to, NOR WILL I BE ABLE TO REPLACE IT WITH ANYTHING

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Redghost
: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV Well, you have a point there, for some viewers and viewing experiences a plain old TV is just fine. But NTSC is going away next year

Re: [MBZ] OT HDTV

2008-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
No more critical than they were before cell-phones ;) I can still walk, too. Doesn't mean I want to. Supposedly digital is going to help coverage area. Right now the digital signals (if your station co-broadcasts at the moment) are at a small fraction of the analog signal's power because

Re: [MBZ] OT, HDTV again

2007-12-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well I rent all my DVD's from netflix, I dont buy any. They have HD and blu ray available. Redghost wrote: Go with the upconverter for now, unless you are going to invest a bunch of cash or change over to somebody that rents HD DVD. The crap that Wally world sells is not known to handle

[MBZ] OT, HDTV again

2007-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK, so I think I am about to buy a TV, have decided on DLP I think. Should I buy a HD DVD player as well, or in the near future? I guess its still up in the air as far as HD DVD or Blue Ray. The HD is cheaper. I also have noticed standard DVD players that upconvert to the 1080 I guess. At

Re: [MBZ] OT, HDTV again

2007-12-01 Thread Redghost
Go with the upconverter for now, unless you are going to invest a bunch of cash or change over to somebody that rents HD DVD. The crap that Wally world sells is not known to handle regular DVD upconversion at all well. You will get ok signal on the upconverters as long as you use

Re: [MBZ] OT, HDTV again

2007-12-01 Thread Wonko the Sane
Kleb: Wait a couple of years. You will spend half the money and will buy what is (then) industry standard. Remember the BetaMax? (Maybe not.) On Dec 1, 2007 10:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so I think I am about to buy a TV, have decided on DLP I think. Should I buy