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Here's something for Randy:
A working example which we free Americans can look to is the files which
still exist, some of which are 70 years old, gathered by the USSR
government by the KGB on soviet citizens. Based on that data collected,
Stalin is reported to have executed or killed by forced labor in Gulag,
some 20 million
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
It seldom pays to be confrontational with a cop in the field. If the
cop feels sufficiently threatened you could end up dead. If issues
need to be sorted, do it later in a controlled environment, like
I was purposely being silly. Should have appended a winkie icon to my
post.
Surprisingly, I think there are broad areas of agreement across the
political spectrum on the need to control how big data is collected, used
and destoyed by law enforcement.
There is a HUGE debate over BIG data
So will the no right to complain police arrest me for what I write in
this forum?
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
More from our friends at Techdirt:
I was purposely being silly. Should have appended a winkie icon to my
post.
Surprisingly, I think there are broad areas of agreement across the
political spectrum on the need to control how big data is collected, used
and destoyed by law enforcement.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dan
No, silly.
I think this whole situation is such that depending on how you view the role of
government, you either perceive these actions as protective or overreaching.
As I see it, much of what is happening today is a result of people trying to
control information, for whatever reason. In
Scroll down to the story with the vid and if you have a few minutes you
can get some entertainment
http://charlestonthuglife.net/2015/01/a-number-of-updates/
--R
On 1/29/15 12:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
But I'll reiterate my initial point: there is little to be gained by
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A working example which we free Americans can look to is the files which
still exist, some of which are 70 years old
I don't know how anyone can get any joy out of watching that sad spectacle.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Scroll down to the story with the vid and if you have a few minutes you
can get some entertainment
Just routine stuff around here, in amongst the murders by the young
(self-described) thugs and other random idiots.
The cops showed remarkable restraint on the woman, and her husband was
lucky he didn't get ventilated when he ran up on the cops with their
weapons drawn.
--R
On 1/29/15
.
Stalin must have loved it.
-Curt
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Gulags and black listing aren't
FBI files on people?
-Curt
From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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A working example which we
Andrew wrote:
Anybody watching The Americans on Bravo?
I liked The Americans a while back when it was on hulu. Now hulu wants $$.
There ain't nuthin' we can do - processes are too deep and there is
not enuf angst. We love our color tvs. We like china prices. So,
grin. Or be sure to keep out
You sound ripe for recruitment by the KGB.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Anybody watching The Americans on Bravo?
I liked The Americans a while back when it was on hulu. Now hulu wants $$.
There ain't nuthin' we can
Andrew wrote:
You sound ripe for recruitment by the KGB.
KGB is not as kool as ISIS or Snowden.
I am also an originality freak and I like liberty which appears to
draw little attention these days as a reality worth cherishing.
Liberty is We the People and We the People need to be careful against
KGB no longer exists. It went away with the fall of USSR.
Replaced by another agency.. still rude, but less power.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
You sound ripe for recruitment by the KGB.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM,
have
loved it.
-Curt
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Gulags and black listing aren't even close
Wilton,
The reason this mass surveillance gets my hackles up is because of the data
base aspect.
Keeping a record of everywhere I go in my car could be easily abused. Given
the Louis Lerner / IRS abuses of conservative non-profits, one can easily
imagine a day when those in power decide that
Go get 'em, Donald!
--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
On January 27, 2015 7:03:30 PM EST, Donald Snook via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
If you want to read about police problems you can read about the large
numbers of police shootings in Wichita. Since 2010, wichita has had
more fatal
If you want to read about police problems you can read about the
large numbers of police shootings in Wichita. Since 2010, wichita
has had more fatal police shootings Detroit and Chicago!
Here is an interesting story:
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article2629463.html
I just entered
: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:03 AM
To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Go get 'em, Donald!
--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
On January 27, 2015 7:03:30 PM EST, Donald Snook via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
If you want to read about police
Meanwhile,
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150128/PC16/150129397/1177/charleston-police-officer-who-was-under-investigation-committed-to-psychiatric-hospital
A day or two ago this guy went off on a kid who had a toy gun and the
mother got pretty upset about it. I forget the details,
Isn't the whole point of today's toy guns to make them look REAL?
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Meanwhile, http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150128/PC16/
150129397/1177/charleston-police-officer-who-was-under-
Scott wrote:
The fastest way to lose our liberty (and that of our descendants) is to
demand the government supply...
Well, we love helicopter government.
See helicopter parents - modern term regarding parenting practices
that are vogue over the past 30 years. i.e. it is not my fault, it is
There's your marker Donald, see if you can beat $1.6M...
--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
What about the guy in New Mexico they suspected of drugs, had him
illegally x-rayed numerous times, then illegally
Roger wrote:
Now if all of you will call or write your elected officials, at all levels,
and give them a piece of your mind, it will accomplish nothing...
Totally sensible.
mao
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To search list archives
] OT License plate Readers
He could have done that then had his and his department's @$$e$ sued for
false arrest, imprisonment, etc. That would have been fun to do.
See, the thing is by acting like a dick he deserved no respect, and was
clearly trolling with no probable cause whatsoever to stop
To all in this discussion,
I'm glad to see so many concerned citizens. Now if all of you will call
or write your elected officials, at all levels, and give them a piece of your
mind, it will get better. It's nice to discuss on this list, but that
accomplishes nothing but making you
He could have done that then had his and his department's @$$e$ sued
for false arrest, imprisonment, etc. That would have been fun to do.
See, the thing is by acting like a dick he deserved no respect, and
was clearly trolling with no probable cause whatsoever to stop me, a
citizen going
yourself you get
dead. Even worse when they do it to the wrong house...
-Curt
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:44 PM
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Max Dillon via
Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
It seldom pays to be confrontational with a cop in the field. If the cop
feels sufficiently threatened you could end up dead. If issues need to be
sorted, do it later in a controlled environment, like a police station or
court house. If you are carrying
Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
Bubba says shut up, get in the car. Bubba drives for a few minutes, pulls up at a
seemingly random house and up their drive way. Stay in the car! says Bubba, then he
toots the horn once.
Someone peeks out the door, goes back inside, a few minutes later a man
But...but...how can he do that without waiting for the SWAT team to
break the door down and shoot the dog first?
http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/how-to-serve-a-warrant-1972-versus-today-by-lt-harry-thomas/
That is just sad, but it states the situation quite clearly.
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Go get 'em, Donald!
--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
On January 27, 2015 7:03:30 PM EST, Donald Snook via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
If you want to read about police problems you can read about the large
numbers of police
/16/justice/new-mexico-search-settlement/Turns out I
was wrong about the details, it was worse...
-Curt
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about the details, it was worse...
-Curt
From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
If you want to read about police problems you can read
Discussion List
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These are outliers that get all the headlines. I have never been beat up by
police but each time I wasn't beat up it never made the news.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:44 PM
Hear, hear!
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
This sort of thing has been common in England for a long while.
It does go against the grain to have the authorities spying on one all of
the time but if we want the police to catch the bad
Those who give up liberty for security have neither
Founders of this country understood that concept so well they wrote
protection into the founding documents of Constitution, now known as 4th
Amendment.
Just because it has been abused by the current government, it has not been
revoked. The
Hear, hear!
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
This sort of thing has been common in England for a long while.
It does go against the grain to have the authorities spying on one all of
the time but if we want the police to catch the bad
On 27/01/2015 3:32 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Hear, hear!
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
This sort of thing has been common in England for a long while.
It does go against the grain to have the authorities spying on one
On 27/01/2015 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Unreasonable search referenced warrrantless searches of one's home, which
is different from the use of red light or surveillance cameras.
Red light cameras are purely about the money. Just another easy form of
taxation.
RB
Those who give up liberty for security have neither
Founders of this country understood that concept so well they wrote
protection into the founding documents of Constitution, now known as 4th
Amendment.
Just because it has been abused by the current government, it has not been
revoked. The
Unreasonable search referenced warrrantless searches of one's home, which
is different from the use of red light or surveillance cameras.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Those who give up liberty for security have neither
Founders of this
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:12:41 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Those who give up liberty for security have neither
Hear, hear!
Founders of this country understood that concept so well they wrote
protection into the founding documents of Constitution, now known as 4th
This sort of thing has been common in England for a long while.
It does go against the grain to have the authorities spying on one all
of the time but if we want the police to catch the bad guys, we
sometimes have to give up some of our liberties to help them do it.
RB
On 27/01/2015 2:30 PM,
Some years ago I had driven from Texas to take my son to school at
Villanova. My wife and I were going to some hotel not very close to the
school, in Philadelphia proper, and I get stopped by a cop. Guy gets
out, shaved head, black military pants and combat boots, thigh holster,
swagger, the
I would suggest you are lucky he did not haul you in and detain you for
a bit just to show you he could do so.
Be nice to the cops. They don't (at least at the patrol car level) get
to choose what the uniform looks like.
He was just doing his job. He saw you, had a basic excuse to check you
, 2015 4:32 PM
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Hear, hear!
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
This sort of thing has been common in England for a long while.
It does go against the grain to have the authorities spying on one
city hell holes
excluded) safer than its ever been...
-Curt
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and homosexuals. Then it
all went wrong...
-Curt
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 7:04 PM
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I can freely drive
RB wrote:
Technology has made that the cheap way to police many areas.
Cheap?
Are we back in the tyre thread?
Where's Jaime's warning about putting price and cost at the top of all
concerns? - Jaime?
Leave the cost and price high and we might have better interest in
exploring how it is that
? It will happen, just wait.
-Curt
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 7:01 PM
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If one lives a clean life. Who cares
Donald wrote:
Since 2010, wichita has had more fatal police shootings Detroit and Chicago!
lrn.fm had a recent show where they were on police over reach and
killings - ABQ was #3 in the nation. I wonder where Witchita is in
that list?
mao
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Curt wrote:
The US puts more people in prison than anywhere else on the planet...
And, this is a high dollar earner for investors, so... they lobby for
greater over reach which equals greater funding. When We the people
can afford sacrifice of our time and treasure and skin, perhaps we can
PM
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Yeah, no.
What happens if they say anybody who sells drugs is a terrorist? Or
homosexuals? Or Jews?
Oh sure, that can't happen anymore. How long ago was it the Canadian government
stopped pulling children from indigenous
If you want to read about police problems you can read about the large numbers
of police shootings in Wichita. Since 2010, wichita has had more fatal police
shootings Detroit and Chicago!
Here is an interesting story:
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article2629463.html
I just entered
They're here, and not going away. If they are used for catching dangerous
felons or terrorists, then fine. If they are misused, like the fishing
expedition in MD to harass a citizen because he is a CCW license holder in
another state, then sue the crap out of them; have those who made the
mercedes@okiebenz.com
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This sort of thing has been common in England for a long while.
It does go against the grain to have the authorities spying on one all
of the time but if we want the police to catch the bad
He could have done that then had his and his department's @$$e$ sued for
false arrest, imprisonment, etc. That would have been fun to do.
See, the thing is by acting like a dick he deserved no respect, and was
clearly trolling with no probable cause whatsoever to stop me, a citizen
going
Here's a good example of the abuse of (police) power. and it's right in my
neighborhood:
http://tbo.com/news/crime/lithia-woman-my-house-was-shot-up-why-has-no-one-been-charged-20150126/?page=1
I would be lawyering up big-time.
Dan
On Jan 27, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Some years ago I had driven from Texas to take my son to school at
Villanova. My wife and I were going to some hotel not very close to the
school, in Philadelphia proper, and I get stopped by a cop. Guy gets out,
shaved head, black
If one lives a clean life. Who cares?
Cameras or not.
Bitch_bitchier_bitchiest.
On Jan 27, 2015 2:30 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
After a recent double murder in nearby Granville County NC on New Year's
Day, the alleged perps were apprehended in West Virginia
, January 27, 2015 5:47 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Some years ago I had driven from Texas to take my son to school at
Villanova. My wife and I were going to some hotel not very close to the
school, in Philadelphia proper, and I get stopped by a cop. Guy
The fastest way to lose our liberty (and that of our descendants) is to demand
the government supply what we want without scrutinizing and approving the costs
and means. It is a slippery slope, as they learned in the late Weimar
Republic. If you don't know already, you should research the
Randy, I have to disagree with you.
Good police work doesn't require mass surveillance, it mostly boils down to
keeping tabs on the bad guys you already know about.
One of our local police officers told this story. Shortly after he went
through and passed the state police academy, he was
/gunned-down-in-vegas-what-really-happened-to-erik-sc
ott/
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