Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread rogerhga
Philip, As you said, I can only relate my personal experience with ethanol. And that is, my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.9 liter magnum V8 does not like ethanol gas. It idles rougher and it gets about 2 mpg less. Again, this is my experience with a big engine. When I can find Marathon out in

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread OK Don
I'm out of the country now, but will try to remember to look it up next week. On Friday, April 18, 2014, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Don, Thanks for the tip about the testing kit. Where do you find them? Thanks, Grant.. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: I'm out of the country now, but will try to remember to look it up next week. Anybody have it cheaper than $10.75 + $5 shipping per half ounce? http://www.fuel-testers.com/quikcheck.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread Curt Raymond
2014 23:21:26 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140418232126.0c1e0...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII  arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:   Here's a better explanation of the test suggested

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread Curt Raymond
to replace. -Curt Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:34:27 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID:     1254472027.29354809.1397910867599.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Philip,  As you said, I can only relate

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Meade Dillon
A Shell station recently built nearby has one pump off to the side which is labeled ethanol free, slightly higher price. Lots of folks filling up boats, gas cans, etc use it. I suspect it is pulling from the underground tank that all the premium pumps pull from, wouldn't make sense to have a

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
them. Actually this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Make a mark on a (graduated) test tube about 2 inches from the bottom and fill it with the gasoline to be tested. Top the test tube with water, shake it and allow to stand. If the gasoline contains ethanol, the level of the solution will rise, as ethanol is absorbed by water. This would prove

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Mitch Haley
Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
How much ethanol is in diesel fuel You bozos need to start a gasoline affinity group. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Curt Raymond
on the line for a good humane kill and I hate having to pump 10 times. A good break barrel would go more like 1100fps and would be a much more sure thing. -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:49:38 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Craig
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:58:31 -0400 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Make a mark on a (graduated) test tube about 2 inches from the bottom and fill it with the gasoline to be tested. Top the test tube with water, shake it and allow to stand. If the gasoline contains

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Meade Dillon
go more like 1100fps and would be a much more sure thing. -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:49:38 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 8dd786d5-67af-476a-b573-aab1a68e2...@yahoo.com Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
On 4/18/2014 11:33 AM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:58:31 -0400 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Make a mark on a (graduated) test tube about 2 inches from the bottom and fill it with the gasoline to be tested. Top the test tube with water, shake it and allow to

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Here's a better explanation of the test suggested previously which is simply based on the affinity of alcohol for water; no complex chemistry involved. HOW TO TEST FUEL FOR ETHANOL *To determine if ethanol is in the gas: * * On a test tube or olive bottle six or seven inches long, make a

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Curt Raymond
mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID:     CAHoNRR4HWWC6K3X0U9QnYrm=g01tpvkftqg4cgexfggjx7f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've heard that squirrels are very territorial.  Invaders (I.e. dropped off) squirrels are driven away. Max Dillon

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread OK Don
I bought a testing kit that is an alcohol soluble dye. Put a drop in a sample of the gas, agitate, and see whether the sample has changed color and whether the drop is still the same size. I test the fuel perhaps every other month that goes into the Cessna from the usual station, and before

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread G Mann
Don, Thanks for the tip about the testing kit. Where do you find them? Thanks, Grant.. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a testing kit that is an alcohol soluble dye. Put a drop in a sample of the gas, agitate, and see whether the sample has changed

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-18 Thread Fmiser
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's a better explanation of the test suggested previously which is simply based on the affinity of alcohol for water; no complex chemistry involved. Thanks! This one makes sense. Therefore, any deviation in the water line indicates the presence of

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2014-04-17 Thread John Reames
I'd say the (Bosch type M) IP o-rings are also a wear item. You can get them from Bosch for less than they cost from MBUSA. Unfortunately, they are the same rubber as the originals. Ditto for the fuel line o-rings on the 606's On ULSD, they seem to last only 40-50kmi. I found some nitrile

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Crone
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:11 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: On ULSD, they seem to last only 40-50kmi. I found some nitrile ones somewhere, will try them next change... I'm relatively new to dieseling. Before all the stations went to ULSD, did everyone go tripping on LSD?

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2014-04-17 Thread Craig
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:18:29 -0400 Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:11 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: On ULSD, they seem to last only 40-50kmi. I found some nitrile ones somewhere, will try them next change... I'm relatively new to dieseling.

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2014-04-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Craig wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:18:29 -0400 Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:11 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: On ULSD, they seem to last only 40-50kmi. I found some nitrile ones somewhere, will try them next change... I'm relatively new to

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Scott Ritchey
I think ethanol caused problems with several of my small 2-cycle machines. The gas cap on my chain saw swelled to the point it took a tool to remove or install it. I since got a replacement (loser fit-revised design) which solved that problem. The diaphragms in 2-cycle carburetors seem to get

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread G Mann
In my considered opinion, ethanol addition to gasoline was a truly bad choice driven by not well informed politicians, for the wrong financial reasons. [Sorry to raise politics in this, but without it, this would have never impacted cars] Ethanol is, simply put, poorly made whiskey. It takes more

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Craig
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:47:09 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently some states are now taking action to force removal of ethanol from fuel.. perhaps there will be resolution. Any ideas which ones? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Curt Raymond
, we'll see in a month how it worked out. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:08:23 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 8CF9B81978844318BAB80E733BDEE1DF@ScottPC Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Curt Raymond
... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:47:09 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID:     CANTuLYgU2v2GOv0=gqu0ppmkxzgjuwjtu8h-0fhn1empvtp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In my

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Craig
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We had Buster at the vet last week and she asked me to donate money to save hurt squirrels. I laughed. We need a new vet... Yup. Our vet saves eagles and bears displaced by forest fires. Craig

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread OK Don
OK offers both pure and contaminated gasoline. The contaminated costs about $0.15/gallon less. I've had to replace both carbs on my two small engines that thoughtlessly got the crap left in them over the winter. The Cessna gets only pure gasoline. The Ford is supposed to run on either, but has

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Curt Raymond
If we had either of those around I'm sure she'd save them. Actually this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Meade Dillon
diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140417174501.53ed5a16aff9be2dc1cdc...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread OK Don
this is not the only reason we need a new vet but its a pretty good indicator. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:45:01 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net javascript:; To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread Kevin Allen Kraly
How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated with ethanol? The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of premium today. I read some time ago on this list that premium gas isn't blended. I don't want any gas containing ethanol in the van since it doesn't get

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread dseretakis
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol Message-ID: 20140417174501.53ed5a16aff9be2dc1cdc...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We had Buster at the vet last

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread clay
Unless the shop explicitly says it is ethanol free, I would not believe premium is missing corn squeezin's. There are a few stations that sell only corn free fuel up near me. Maybe on your side of the Columbia, there is some clay On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: How do

Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-17 Thread G Mann
The key code words you want to look for on the pump is oxygenated fuel .. which when posted means ethanol added in nearly every state. On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Kevin Allen Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.comwrote: How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not contaminated

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2014-04-16 Thread Curt Raymond
Return lines are a wear item, they don't last forever. I had to replace them on my cars before ULSD came out and I haven't seen any rise in the incidence of them needing to be replaced since. I think the change to ULSD was much ado about nothing, I didn't notice any change in how my car ran or

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2014-04-16 Thread rogerhga
Return lines are a wear item, they don't last forever. I had to replace them on my cars before ULSD came out and I haven't seen any rise in the incidence of them needing to be replaced since. I think the change to ULSD was much ado about nothing, I didn't notice any change in how my car ran

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2013-08-16 Thread Curt Raymond
Real actual data? Probably never, who would pay for it? Anecdotally I've got probably 100,000 miles on ULSD with no noticeable effects. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:43:29 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] ULSD

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2013-08-16 Thread Larry T
Found this which doesn't really address mechanical longevity: 5. *Will my old diesel engines run on ultra-low sulfur diesel?* Older vehicles and equipment will run on ultra-low sulfur diesel and will experience a small

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2013-08-16 Thread G Mann
Actually, yes. When ULSD was first mandated, exhaustive testing was done on semi truck engines of early design to ensure it would not damage them. You may know that the largest use of diesel fuel is by trucking industry.. Initial runs of ULSD found that it did not have enough lubricity to

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2013-08-16 Thread Scott Ritchey
Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD Actually, yes. When ULSD was first mandated, exhaustive testing was done on semi truck engines of early design to ensure it would not damage them. You may know that the largest use of diesel fuel is by trucking industry.. Initial runs of ULSD found that it did

Re: [MBZ] ULSD

2013-08-16 Thread Allan Streib
I add Lucas fuel treatment to my diesel now. Not sure how much it helps, but can't see how it hurts. Supposedly lubricates injection system. http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?catid=2iid=26 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: Actually, yes. When ULSD was first mandated,

Re: [MBZ] ULSD vehicles

2006-11-01 Thread RELNGSON
because of this goofy mix (forced by successful lobbying, mostly of the US Trucking industry,) some manufacturers of the new Clean Diesel technology already in use in Europe and elsewhere are loathe to bring their offerings to the US until the risk of putting the 'wrong' fuel in the tank