Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
Christopher McCann wrote: aren't there oil lines to and from the turbo for cooling purposes? The return (I believe) is a notorious leaker - at least on SD's...mine had to be repaired...oil running down, all over the pan, etc. That is a VERY common source of oil loss in OM617.95 engines, but it doesn't cause smoke. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] turbo seal?
If the turbo seals are leaking, you will have excess oil consumption and lots of oil in the intake. Hard to tell the difference between normal blowby and excess, though... If the rear seal is leaking from bad bearings, you will have blue smoke after idling and on acceleration. Easy test it to remove the front air pipe with the engine OFF and spin the turbo by hand. It must move freely under light pressure (most diesel turbos will have a bit of resistance to turning form the seals), and must NOT bind at all during rotation. Any roughness, binding, or axial (front to rear) play, the bearings are shot, time for a new one. My Volvo did this, finally got so bad I only had boost with the accelerator floored and only hot. Definitely toast. The oil lines to the turbo can leak, causing a drip there, and the chain tensioner seal can go bad, dripping oil on the front of the turbo housing (I think the one on the 300D is doing that now). Turbo rebuild, rush with new cartridge five years ago on the Volvo was $400 (I did the installation myself). Cartridge is only a couple hundred bucks, the rest is all labor. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Built Ford Tough
ok ford tough alright ,thats why ford needs international to make their engines ,ford only european cars are goods ,ford cannot make good engines in america . Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 11:29:11AM -0600, tom savage wrote: Holy cow! If quality is job #1 at Ford, I shudder to contemplate the rankings of everything else. That particular model of F250 (and the F150 like it) are best avoided. Mercedes for old cars, Toyota for new cars. Toyota for small to medium trucks, Mercedes for big trucks. Yikes. I'll keep the powerchoke with it's quarter of a million miles. K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 00:09:27 2005 Received: from mxa.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.40]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Egt3n-0001QO-42 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:09:27 + Received: from dogear.com ([206.63.94.249]) by mxa.windwireless.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAT09M5H006643 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:09:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:09:17 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Virus-Scan: smtp-vilter X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.0rc2 X-SMTP-Vilter-Backend: Clam AntiVirus Daemon (clamd) X-SMTP-Vilter-Status: clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0rc4 (mxa.windwireless.net [199.164.167.40]); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:09:27 - I have a Toyota that I am reassembling. It has been sitting for a while and there is a light coating of rust on a two of the cylinders. The pistons, crank ect. are still in the engine. I was thinking of spraying them down with Kroil and then going over them with a scotch-brite pad. Either that or positioning each piston at the bottom of the bore and using a glaze breaker on each cylinder. I am not changing the rings or anything, just putting a head on. Any ideas? You could use the electric rust-removal trick that I used on my genset. Miraculous. You just have to ensure that the water doesn't leak down past the rings, or that if it does you clean it out again soon. In my case, the rust that froze the pistons was a pretty good water seal. http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders
No Scotchbrite or glaze breaker unless you are going to disassemble and clean everything. They both shed copious grit, and it will eat your rings pronto. Clean with a rag and some Kroil or other penetrating oil, wipe out completely and re-oil with engine oil. The rust will be considerably less of a problem than the grit from Scotchbrite or a hone. Peter
[MBZ] anybody want rear headrests in their 123?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-123-Rear-Seat-Set-with-Headrests-RARE-all-w123_W0QQitemZ8018566777QQcategoryZ33701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
[MBZ] minor oil leak
in other words, the rods are bent and it burns tons of oil http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Turbo-Diesel-1991-Mercedes-Benz-350SD-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4594089834QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
[MBZ] mog for sale
I thought someone here might be interested. cross posting from the mog mail list Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ I'll use the funds to replace the 4cyl om616 in my 1988 407 with a 5 cyl om617.95 For sale: 1984 Unimog 416 DOKA. 6speed trans, std axles, disc brakes, Michelin XM47s 95%, Three way tipper bed Aluminum sides with cylinder, Front and Rear hydraulics, PTO less shafts. Upgraded front seats, Insulated engine cover,130 HP Injection pump w/9mm plungers and RQV governor, Recent cab off windows out epoxy primer white Imron paint. Runs and shifts great. Aprox 2500hrs, 192K kms $27,000. Bob DuPuy 727 638-0014 Parrish, Florida USA - Thursday, November 10, 2005 at 16:39:50 (GMT) Some pictures here http://photos.yahoo.com/h2odiesel Sorry for the spam, Thanks for your time Bob DuPuy
[MBZ] not sure if this is worth something or not
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-1972-Mercedes-350sl_W0QQitemZ8018314614QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
Will you take $500? Bob DuPuy wrote: I thought someone here might be interested. cross posting from the mog mail list Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ I'll use the funds to replace the 4cyl om616 in my 1988 407 with a 5 cyl om617.95 For sale: 1984 Unimog 416 DOKA. 6speed trans, std axles, disc brakes, Michelin XM47s 95%, Three way tipper bed Aluminum sides with cylinder, Front and Rear hydraulics, PTO less shafts. Upgraded front seats, Insulated engine cover,130 HP Injection pump w/9mm plungers and RQV governor, Recent cab off windows out epoxy primer white Imron paint. Runs and shifts great. Aprox 2500hrs, 192K kms $27,000. Bob DuPuy 727 638-0014 Parrish, Florida USA - Thursday, November 10, 2005 at 16:39:50 (GMT) Some pictures here http://photos.yahoo.com/h2odiesel Sorry for the spam, Thanks for your time Bob DuPuy ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders
If your not going to do the correctly, remove pistons, glaze break, new rings, etc just install the head and start the damn thing. The idea of trying to remove the rust while the pistons are installed is just going to get all that crap in the engine, it will settle down around the top rings and be a great abrasive. Don On 11/28/05, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Toyota that I am reassembling. It has been sitting for a while and there is a light coating of rust on a two of the cylinders. The pistons, crank ect. are still in the engine. I was thinking of spraying them down with Kroil and then going over them with a scotch-brite pad. Either that or positioning each piston at the bottom of the bore and using a glaze breaker on each cylinder. I am not changing the rings or anything, just putting a head on. Any ideas? Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration www.marketplacemexico.com
[MBZ] rear suspension sagging - results
Replaced the rear suframe mounts including differential mount. Easier than Stu explains. Pry the subframe down, insert a 3 long piece of 1/2 pipe between the mount hub and the receiver stub on the floor, raise subframe with a floor jack, and POP!!, out comes the mount. No hammering or blunt chisel. Replaced the spring pads. Springs will not come out on a 126 chassis without a compression tool, contrary what others have suggested. Unless: * If a spring compressor is absolutely not available, one must disconnect the drive shaft, hand brake cable, brake lines, sway bar, drop the mufflers and remove the differential mount. Leave Subframe mounts bolted up. Lower differential till springs disengage. The springs will be so much in contorsion that engaging them in to the top tower will be difficult. * Total time: 4 hours, using srring comressor, including jacking up the car, removing rear wheels and setting it back down after putting said wheels back on (damn' I didn't torque the lugs and drove off like that), plus gathering up tools, plus washing up so I can get back in the house. Total cost: $ 160 in parts, $ 15 in beer for celebration. Final result: Reference point on rear bumper is now 4 1/2 higher. -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] not sure if this is worth something or not
Wareham MA, center of salt/rust in NE. Salvage value is probably less than $100 since most of the metal is now rust. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-1972-Mercedes-350sl_W0QQitemZ8018314614QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Re: [MBZ] rear suspension sagging - results
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:02:01PM -0600, Hans Neureiter wrote: Total cost: $ 160 in parts, $ 15 in beer for celebration. Final result: Reference point on rear bumper is now 4 1/2 higher. Good to hear it went easy for you. 4.5 inches is quite a difference. K
[MBZ] Squashed CD2
, Everything from the rear window forward is in perfect shape. Maybe. Is the sunroof opening square or a slight parallelogram? If the body is twisted it will show up there. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Squashed CD
A couple of years ago someone posted his experience with dealing with the insurance after a similar incident. It involved lots of pain and suffering (doctors, chiropractors for multiple visits), rental cars, replacement value, more pain and suffering, etc. until he got what he wanted. I might have saved it, will look for it. I think the pain and suffering was the key, as that ran up bills much higher than paying for the car. The other point was that their job is to make you right, not pay you what they want to pay you. --R eric peterson wrote: yes my neck and lower back are somewhat sore and they tend to hurt more the longer I have to listen to insurance company excuses as to why they can't/won't even authorize for the rental car!!! Does anyone have a current copy of Cars of Particular Interest?? I would be interested in knowing what it lists the high end value at. Also if they do end up totaling the car if anybody needs a really really nice parts car this is it. Motor is MB crate replacement with about 40K mi. Everything from the rear window forward is in perfect shape. I may keep it if I can find a really pristine 300CD with bad drivetrain and just swap it out. Time will tell. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got tagged pretty hard in the rear end of my 85 300CD this AM. Car towed to the body shop will wait for estimates. Pushed the Drivers rear quater panel past 90 degrees up to the wheel well.trunk trashed, rear bumper mangled, basically the whole rear corner is gone. . My friend JB's '99 CLK500 was damaged in a similar way a few years back. The repair bill was 16 grand. I think you mentioned your neck and back are bothering you, right? RLE/Seattle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] rear suspension sagging - results
Yeah, I now can see traffic behind me in the mirror. Not just the crap I just ran over 50 feet earlier. On 11/28/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:02:01PM -0600, Hans Neureiter wrote: Total cost: $ 160 in parts, $ 15 in beer for celebration. Final result: Reference point on rear bumper is now 4 1/2 higher. Good to hear it went easy for you. 4.5 inches is quite a difference. K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
[MBZ] (no subject)
Hello everyone, could someone with an active carfax account please run the following VIN number for me: WDBCB25DXGA280690 Thanks in advance! Chase
[MBZ] CARFAX Please
Hello everyone, could someone with an active carfax account please run the following VIN number for me: WDBCB25DXGA280690 Thanks in advance! Chase
Re: [MBZ] anybody want rear headrests in their 123?
Hmm... I paid $300 for a complete leather interior for my 240D -- but I didn't get rear headrests. ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] anybody want rear headrests in their 123? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-123-Rear-Seat-Set-with-Headrests-RARE-all-w123_W0QQitemZ8018566777QQcategoryZ33701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] anybody want rear headrests in their 123?
Pay less, get less. On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... I paid $300 for a complete leather interior for my 240D -- but I didn't get rear headrests. ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] anybody want rear headrests in their 123? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-123-Rear-Seat-Set-with-Headrests-RARE-all-w123_W0QQitemZ8018566777QQcategoryZ33701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
[MBZ] OT Speaker Repair
Hi,All. This is an OT request for info about Stereo speaker repairs. I have an old, circa 1980, pair of made in Poland stereo speakers that need repair/replacement of the foam plastic suspension stuff around the speaker cone. The speaker cone itself is in as new condition, the foam has partly separated and is very fragile. These 10 speakers have a mount (body?) ring of machined aluminum about 1 thick. Questions, are these worth fixing, does anyone still do this? or should I just buy new speakers? As you can tell, I'm not at all knowledgeable about audio bits and thingys. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Old diesels, old stereos, old body, ancient brain.
Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders
SHoot the bores with mopar penetrating oil. It will remove the rust. Easy and cheap. After a few hours, wipe the stuff out. At 04:57 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I have a Toyota that I am reassembling. It has been sitting for a while and there is a light coating of rust on a two of the cylinders. The pistons, crank ect. are still in the engine. I was thinking of spraying them down with Kroil and then going over them with a scotch-brite pad. Either that or positioning each piston at the bottom of the bore and using a glaze breaker on each cylinder. I am not changing the rings or anything, just putting a head on. Any ideas? Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cool E55 commercial
I prefer the footage of Derek's 10.95 sec 1/4 mile run. (supercharger pulleys changed and nitrous oxide) http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=135915
Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders
Ah, aren't scotch-brite pads, plastic wire coated with aluminum oxide? I'm sure I read somewhere contaminating internal engine parts with aluminum oxide dust will result in lower engine life. On 28-Nov-05, at 5:33 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: Hoot the bores with mopar penetrating oil. It will remove the rust. Easy and cheap. After a few hours, wipe the stuff out. At 04:57 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I have a Toyota that I am reassembling. It has been sitting for a while and there is a light coating of rust on a two of the cylinders. The pistons, crank ect. are still in the engine. I was thinking of spraying them down with Kroil and then going over them with a scotch-brite pad. John 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 154k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders
coat the cyl. walls with marvel mystery oil, crank the engine several times by hand, rinse with diesel, pop the head back on and go. -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D It has been sitting for a while and there is a light coating of rust on a two of the cylinders. The pistons, crank ect. are still in the engine. I was thinking of spraying them down with Kroil and then going over them with a scotch-brite pad. John 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 154k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] might be needing some cars
Rich Thomas wrote: I think he might need to put Rush on the radio to cure that leaning problem if I understand the problem correctly. I've got FOX News Radio on preset button 0A and Air America on 7A, to ensure proper weight distribution. ;) David Brodbeck (talk radio fan) '83 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Vehicle Snapshot Vehicle 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300SDL VIN WDBCB25DXGA280690 Body Style 4 Door Sedan Country of Manufacture Germany Vehicle History Checklist Vehicle Description WDBCB25DXGA280690 Title Check No records found Problem Check No records found Odometer Check No records found Vehicle Information No records found Full History Records found Title Check Your vehicle checks out! Abandoned No Abandoned Records Found Damaged No Damaged Records Found Fire Damage No Fire Damage Records Found Grey Market No Grey Market Records Found Hail Damage No Hail Damage Records Found Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Records Found Junk No Junk Records Found Rebuilt/Rebuildable No Rebuilt/Rebuildable Records Found Salvage No Salvage Records Found Problem Check Your vehicle checks out! NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Records Found Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Records Found Frame Damage No Frame Damage Records Found Major Damage No Major Damage Records Found Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Records Found Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Records Found Water Damage No Water Damage Records Found Vehicle Information Your vehicle checks out! Accident Data No Accident Data Records Found Corrected Title No Corrected Title Records Found Driver Education No Driver Education Records Found Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Records Found Emission/Safety Inspection No Emission/Safety Inspection Records Found Livery Use No Livery Use Records Found Government Use No Government Use Records Found Police Use No Police Use Records Found Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Records Found Repossessed No Repossessed Records Found Taxi Use No Taxi Use Records Found Theft No Theft Records Found Vehicle History Records We have searched the Experian Automotive National Vehicle Database of insurance, DMV, and auto auction information and found the following 3 records for this 1986 MERCEDES-BENZ 300 SERIES 300SDL. Note the highlighted rows for potential issues that could affect the value of this vehicle. Date Location Mileage Description 1994-08-26 CA 94462 odometer reading from dmv 1994-09-08 costa mesa, CA title 2005-11-03 pacific sw region, 167650 reported at auto auction Glossary of Descriptions Found for This Vehicle (full glossary) Description Full Definition Odometer Reading from DMV Odometer reading recorded by the state Department of Motor Vehicles. Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV. Auction Odometer Reading Vehicle reported the vehicle's odometer reading is from auto auction. Highlights from our Editor's Review of the 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300SDL No Consumer Guide® data available. Important Disclaimers While Consumer Guide® makes every effort to present complete and accurate information, a Consumer Guide® Vehicle History Report is not a guarantee of the quality of any used vehicle. There could be other problems with this vehicle that have not been reported to Consumer Guide® or Experian. Please read our full disclaimer. Customer Support Chase Kaufman wrote: Hello everyone, could someone with an active carfax account please run the following VIN number for me: WDBCB25DXGA280690 Thanks in advance! Chase ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
What's that carburettor stuff I see on that Mog Exchange. I have seen a lot of Unimogs of all sizes where I came from, 50's to the 70's, but never heard of a gasser. Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
HAHA, such a deal, such a deal. Bob DuPuy wrote: Kleb, Thanks for your generous offer, but I'll have to decline. However I might consider $25.K If you throw in some used floor mats for my SDL. It really is a very nice truck I just have too many toys and not enough time to enjoy them and work enough to pay the bills. Bob On 11/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will you take $500? Bob DuPuy wrote: I thought someone here might be interested. cross posting from the mog mail list Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ I'll use the funds to replace the 4cyl om616 in my 1988 407 with a 5 cyl om617.95 For sale: 1984 Unimog 416 DOKA. 6speed trans, std axles, disc brakes, Michelin XM47s 95%, Three way tipper bed Aluminum sides with cylinder, Front and Rear hydraulics, PTO less shafts. Upgraded front seats, Insulated engine cover,130 HP Injection pump w/9mm plungers and RQV governor, Recent cab off windows out epoxy primer white Imron paint. Runs and shifts great. Aprox 2500hrs, 192K kms $27,000. Bob DuPuy 727 638-0014 Parrish, Florida USA - Thursday, November 10, 2005 at 16:39:50 (GMT) Some pictures here http://photos.yahoo.com/h2odiesel Sorry for the spam, Thanks for your time Bob DuPuy ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in PNWest
$1.99 here in Columbus and Cincinnati.
Re: [MBZ] not sure if this is worth something or not
Or not. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:58 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes mailing list; SL List Subject: [MBZ] not sure if this is worth something or not http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-1972-Mercedes-350sl_W0QQitemZ8018314614QQca tegoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] GM, was: What?
WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? On 11/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, no joke. Luther Gulseth wrote: this makes me want to watch some James Bond -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in Midwest
OKC - $2.20 On 11/28/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $2.45 On 11/28/05, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what the rest of the country is doing, but I saw Diesel in Springfield, Missouri this past weekend at $2.28. On the way back to Wichita I went through Joplin and saw it for $2.25. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? In Enemy of the State the good congresscritter was stuffed in his 114 or 115 and shoved in a lake after the bad guys killed him. In Daddy Daycare Eddie Murphy had a Benz, until he got stuck with the minivan and his wife got the Benz.
Re: [MBZ] FW: Spring Pond Beavers
Old, but still entertaining! On 11/28/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Spring Pond Beavers -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? The bad guys are usually the ones who have the money.
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in PNWest
The best I have seen is $2.599, Wilmington, Ohio and I drive to Northern Cincinnati to work and havn't seen $1.99 anywhere. Regards, Robert Massmann Wilmington, Ohio 87 190D 2.5 Turbo 205K? 85 300CD 327K 82 300D 327K 81 VW Rabbit Pickup 210K (Diesel) - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in PNWest $1.99 here in Columbus and Cincinnati. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
a lot of them in the 60s had the 2.2 liter M180 engine, same as the 220Sb and 220b I think all or most of the Swiss army ones were gas. seems like a lot if them made it to the US. (not a Mog expert) Bob could surely give a better answer At 08:05 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: What's that carburettor stuff I see on that Mog Exchange. I have seen a lot of Unimogs of all sizes where I came from, 50's to the 70's, but never heard of a gasser. Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
There have been a few things on the tube that had a good guy driving an MB, mostly 107s Come to think of it, in one of the Herbie movies the bad guys were in a 111. Herbie goes to Monte Carlo? At 08:21 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes?
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
David Brodbeck wrote: OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? The bad guys are usually the ones who have the money. I just remembered another one, about a college student that gets seduced by a CIA agent and she uses him to smuggle intel out of the USSR. When he gets home, he thinks the KGB wants to kill him One evening, a W126 seems to be pacing him. He panics and rams it off the street. Gets arrested. His dad bails him out. I thought he was KGB No, he's a CPA!. The movie was called Gotcha!
Re: [MBZ] Big brother is coming for your car
I believe we already pay $.05 more in tax per gallon for diesel. Mike Piles 85 300SD 2000 VW TDI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:40 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Big brother is coming for your car On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 12:52:39PM -0800, redghost wrote: The ongoing discussion in government to install monitors in your car so they can tax you by miles instead of fuel used since we are all getting fuel sipping cars or using old popcorn oil California was considering that a while ago. Every time they do, some caltrans project goes millions over budget due to mismanagement or lined pockets. K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
Mitch Haley wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? The bad guys are usually the ones who have the money. I just remembered another one, about a college student that gets seduced by a CIA agent and she uses him to smuggle intel out of the USSR. When he gets home, he thinks the KGB wants to kill him One evening, a W126 seems to be pacing him. He panics and rams it off the street. Gets arrested. His dad bails him out. I thought he was KGB No, he's a CPA!. The movie was called Gotcha! Heh heh. I think I remember that the good guys in the movie _Navy SEALS_ commandeer a Mercedes, then wreck it. Ditto in _Die Hard: With a Vengeance_...Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson commandeer a Mercedes after the Yugo they grabbed earlier turns out to be a bit slow for their purposes.
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
Well Ronin I guess, they are bad but are technically the good guys in that movie. OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? On 11/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, no joke. Luther Gulseth wrote: this makes me want to watch some James Bond -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
That was a 108 that got pushed into the lake. That part sucked. Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? In Enemy of the State the good congresscritter was stuffed in his 114 or 115 and shoved in a lake after the bad guys killed him. In Daddy Daycare Eddie Murphy had a Benz, until he got stuck with the minivan and his wife got the Benz. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders
Turn the enigne over - then clean them. The grit, etc. will run all over your arms, not into the rings. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
Yea, I remember that. That scene was total BS. Remember bruce telling the other dude to reach under the dash to pull the fuse for the ABS? David Brodbeck wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? The bad guys are usually the ones who have the money. I just remembered another one, about a college student that gets seduced by a CIA agent and she uses him to smuggle intel out of the USSR. When he gets home, he thinks the KGB wants to kill him One evening, a W126 seems to be pacing him. He panics and rams it off the street. Gets arrested. His dad bails him out. I thought he was KGB No, he's a CPA!. The movie was called Gotcha! Heh heh. I think I remember that the good guys in the movie _Navy SEALS_ commandeer a Mercedes, then wreck it. Ditto in _Die Hard: With a Vengeance_...Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson commandeer a Mercedes after the Yugo they grabbed earlier turns out to be a bit slow for their purposes. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Maybe someone could produce the US sales numbers, but I believe in 82-84 Mercedes sold about 60% diesels. VW may have been in the 75% diesel range. Wascal Wabbits! At 08:43 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I had no idea. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I just figured when the fuel crisis ended, so did interest in diesels. Will keep this e-mail for future reference and forward to some friends. Thanks! Chris Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
I was just curious. My dad was a contractor for a big Austrian logging company to service their fleet of Mogs that were used as skidders, loaders, brush grinders, snow plows/blowers and transporters and what not. All diesels with MB diesel powerplants on the back for the attachments. Thats where I learned early how to get the black grease out from under the fingernails - cut them to the skin. On 11/28/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a lot of them in the 60s had the 2.2 liter M180 engine, same as the 220Sb and 220b I think all or most of the Swiss army ones were gas. seems like a lot if them made it to the US. (not a Mog expert) Bob could surely give a better answer At 08:05 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: What's that carburettor stuff I see on that Mog Exchange. I have seen a lot of Unimogs of all sizes where I came from, 50's to the 70's, but never heard of a gasser. Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
A list of all sorts of crime statistics -- http://www.lib.msu.edu/harris23/crimjust/stats.htm#federal On 11/28/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most anything you want is here -- http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Kaleb, A. We were talking about cars, not trucks. Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! B. The filter was on the back of the intake, and was plumbed backwards. It DID cause nozzle failures. It did often plug. It was NOT easy to change. C. I did say the engine was reasonably reliable if you put a decent fuel filter/separator on it. D. I did not create the reputation of GM diesel cars. GM did that all by itself. I merely observed it. At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Did not know that. Definitely not the case in Missouri. Chris Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris said... You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! No matter WHAT he did! In Texas, if it's nighttime, you can use deadly force to prevent a perp from escaping with property stolen during a burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 03:38:17 2005 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net ([70.168.83.80]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgwJt-00046p-Gt for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:38:17 + Received: from raec400 ([70.185.2.142]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:36:46 -0500 From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:35:24 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:38:17 - I can tell you exactly when that happened on my '82 Pontiac Bonneville wagon. I was driving back to Houston from Fort Worth, stopped at a Texaco station in Waco and filled up with what turned out to be wet diesel fuel. Within 20 miles the engine started missing, and we barely made it back to Houston. At that time it had 40,000 miles on it. Took it in to the dealer and they said, oh, there's a special warranty on the IP and we'll replace it at no charge. No wonder they were in such a hurry to get me out of there. Never was the same after that, and the IP failed again at 70,000, and I dumped the car to get a '79 240D. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: Loren Faeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:13 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] GM, was: What? WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
I have seen studies that claim that in shall issue states, violent crimes goes down, but non violent crime goes up. Makes sense. Criminals are more afraid of people with guns...so they go after objects - stealing cars, etc rather than muggings. Chris Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, statistically all violent crime including murder goes down in shall issue states. As long as you stay out of my house and don't threaten my wife or kids I won't shoot you. The fact that other citizens are willing to take on the responsibility and liability of carrying, will indeed keep you safer, even if you feel squeamish about it. Bob DuPuy On 11/27/05, David Brodbeck wrote: Bob DuPuy wrote: The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed. But does the murder rate go down? I'm not interested in a lower chance of having my stuff stolen if it means a higher chance of being shot, frankly. ___ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 03:40:47 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgwMJ-0004WX-O1 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:40:47 + Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so1611404wra for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=e5saI49hUHxgLeiG45N4qRYILcx51uAosGTh3h5TuU0SHYhi65XEBJAly6RaYee2XH4TZ78w2bWdqKLcPUMnQQIrFd0yp+6esfP28lf/notfslTqt56oIoTCBbozPCKB5P+2UkU0syh01nVgt3HEdHvPaDShrQGOkPygRUHt7LQ= Received: by 10.54.131.10 with SMTP id e10mr2631577wrd; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.147.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:40:47 + From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] might be needing some cars X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:40:47 - Lose the 0A. On 11/29/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I think he might need to put Rush on the radio to cure that leaning problem if I understand the problem correctly. I've got FOX News Radio on preset button 0A and Air America on 7A, to ensure proper weight distribution. ;) David Brodbeck (talk radio fan) '83 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in Midwest
I gotta move south. On 11/29/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OKC - $2.20 On 11/28/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $2.45 On 11/28/05, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what the rest of the country is doing, but I saw Diesel in Springfield, Missouri this past weekend at $2.28. On the way back to Wichita I went through Joplin and saw it for $2.25. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Yeah, when I was lyin' to Kaleb, I neglected to mention the pump failures. At 09:35 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I can tell you exactly when that happened on my '82 Pontiac Bonneville wagon. I was driving back to Houston from Fort Worth, stopped at a Texaco station in Waco and filled up with what turned out to be wet diesel fuel. Within 20 miles the engine started missing, and we barely made it back to Houston. At that time it had 40,000 miles on it. Took it in to the dealer and they said, oh, there's a special warranty on the IP and we'll replace it at no charge. No wonder they were in such a hurry to get me out of there. Never was the same after that, and the IP failed again at 70,000, and I dumped the car to get a '79 240D. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: Loren Faeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:13 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] GM, was: What? WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
Sure they're good! Jean Reno is working with DeNiro, who is infiltrating the gang on the CIA's orders to get to the IRA terrorist. On 11/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Ronin I guess, they are bad but are technically the good guys in that movie. OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
On 11/28/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! I know you're not necessarily trying to imply that there are non-factory cars out there with the GM 6.2 or 6.5 liter diesel in them, Loren, but this does bring up an interesting point... would such a conversion even be possible? I've heard conflicting things about the 6.2/6.5 motors. Some people say that they bolt right up anywhere a Chevy small-block V8 will go (same motor mounts and tranny bolt pattern), and others say the dimensions are too different (the diesel motor is taller, maybe?). If it's the first case, then a turbodiesel Jag XJ6 should be a no-brainer, considering that kits to put 350 gassers in them are readily available. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
[MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure, you can take off like a scalded dog...both for gassers and diesels. Others say let it warm until it's off the cold peg. Dr. Booth has always said MB diesels were not intended to idle for more than a couple of minutes. Since it very seldom gets cold here, I've forgotten. When I lived in IL back in the day, I just plugged in my 220D each night when it was cold and the temp gauge was always off the cold peg. What's the deal? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 144K Litchfield Park, AZ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 04:08:15 2005 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.195]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Egwmr-Rb-VW for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:08:14 + Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so2775500wxc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s¾ta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UfiMQbfBZDwCT2pK05E62J9KC0xmYYRTbAtzexJkPwEEXR3AR3reDHYCqNUW2CFPvxc5up/VtqJx+7bTMBwtcZ2o3SEryyt5f3l1KVs6hMeXAj72RhZzdVkn4g1cPE3tR9zGbKknb8UCkE2rH+9WDHgfFxoqRaNpCjw0dkLrT7wReceived: by 10.70.54.16 with SMTP id c16mr6096645wxa; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.124.6 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:08:11 -0600 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in Midwest X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:08:15 - Yup! On 11/28/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta move south. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
I recall Ben Kingsley drove a 280 114 in House of sand and fog On Monday, November 28, 2005, at 06:29 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? In Enemy of the State the good congresscritter was stuffed in his 114 or 115 and shoved in a lake after the bad guys killed him. In Daddy Daycare Eddie Murphy had a Benz, until he got stuck with the minivan and his wife got the Benz. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Bob Rentfro wrote: We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure, you can take off like a scalded dog...both for gassers and diesels. Others say let it warm until it's off the cold peg. Dr. Booth has always said MB diesels were not intended to idle for more than a couple of minutes. Since it very seldom gets cold here, I've forgotten. When I lived in IL back in the day, I just plugged in my 220D each night when it was cold and the temp gauge was always off the cold peg. What's the deal? Mercedes recommends that as soon as the oil pressure pegs, it's best for the engine to start driving (DON'T push it hard until temps come into the normal range). It will come up to temp most quickly (3-5 min) with a modest load on the engine and that will keep engine wear to a minimum. AT idle it may take 10-15 minutes for the engine to come to temp and that could double the engine wear or worse. Idling also cokes injectors, but this is a less important issue - especially if you do some highway driving shortly after. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in Midwest
Nope. You gave me the salary range. On 11/29/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup! On 11/28/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta move south. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
There was a media blitz at the end of 1984 to convince people that diesel cars were terrible. I no longer have access to the univ library to search the journal indexes, and this is not worth the time to walk over there to do a search. I did find an online index to the NY times. If anyone is interested, these citations give you a time frame. You can find other articles. I used GM AND diesel as search criteria. Bear in mind that these are based on GM press releases. Here is a list of citations from the NY Times. I know what happened, and I am not interested in paying 4 bucks per article, but some of you have paid the Times piper, so you can get the text of these articles of the period when GM set out to kill the automotive diesel (not truck). Remember, there was no alternative media at that time. The NY times, ABC, NBC and CBS controlled what we were allowed to know. Then as now, whatever one said, they all said. I included the Chevette article as more confirmation that GM earned its reputation. G.M. DROPS MOST OF ITS DIESEL CARS *Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. December 5, 1984, Wednesday By JOHN HOLUSHA (NYT); Financial Desk Late City Final Edition, Section D, Page 1, Column 4, 1054 words THE NATION ; G.M. Faces Facts On Diesel Cars *Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. December 9, 1984, Sunday By CARLYLE C. DOUGLAS, MICHAEL WRIGHT AND CAROLINE RAND HERRON (NYT); Week in Review Desk Late City Final Edition, Section 4, Page 2, Column 2, 201 words DIESELS SEEM TO HAVE RUN OUT OF STEAM *Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. December 30, 1984, Sunday By JOHN HOLUSHA (NYT); Week in Review Desk Late City Final Edition, Section 4, Page 2, Column 3, 905 words Chevette Recall Suggested AP Published: November 23, 1984 The Federal Government said Tuesday that it had recommended the recall of 29,000 Chevrolet Chevette subcompact cars because of the potential for a rear- brake lockup. The autos are 1981 and 1982 Chevettes with diesel engines. A spokesman for the General Motors Corporation says G.M. sees no ''unreasonable risk'' with the autos. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a letter to General Motors that it should consider recalling the automobiles while the agency decides whether to order the auto maker to do so, according to an agency spokesman. At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and
Re: [MBZ] OT Speaker Repair
Fred -- there is a place in Stoneham MA that repairs speakers. I will have to remember where it is -- a small shop behind some other stores in a strip mall on the west side of main street, just south of the Redstone Plaza I think. They redid my college-vintage Advents, for about $30 each, sound great. Let me try to dig it out of my memory (used to live in Melrose up til 6 yr ago). You might check in the phone book, or call Tweeter or some good hifi shop (or musician equipment -- there was a place on Rt 1 in Saugus) and ask them. Don't know if they are still there or not, but they knew their stuff. It was the kind of place you could enjoy poking around in -- lot of stuff stacked everywhere, they knew their stuff. --R frederick w moir wrote: Hi,All. This is an OT request for info about Stereo speaker repairs. I have an old, circa 1980, pair of made in Poland stereo speakers that need repair/replacement of the foam plastic suspension stuff around the speaker cone. The speaker cone itself is in as new condition, the foam has partly separated and is very fragile. These 10 speakers have a mount (body?) ring of machined aluminum about 1 thick. Questions, are these worth fixing, does anyone still do this? or should I just buy new speakers? As you can tell, I'm not at all knowledgeable about audio bits and thingys. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Old diesels, old stereos, old body, ancient brain. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] might be needing some cars
Hmmm, fairly unbalanced I would say... --R David Brodbeck wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I think he might need to put Rush on the radio to cure that leaning problem if I understand the problem correctly. I've got FOX News Radio on preset button 0A and Air America on 7A, to ensure proper weight distribution. ;) David Brodbeck (talk radio fan) '83 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Hmm, starting a nuke is that easy then? How much oil do them things take? What kind do you use? How long it last, what with neutron bombardment and all that? --R Bob Rentfro wrote: We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
This is what has me baffled. I don't find large puddles under my car, no spatters on the rear end, and the rear under carriage is fairly dry---NOTHING that would show the signs of 1qt/250mi like my SD did before I had the oil filter stand seal changed. THAT was deadly obvious. This has the added sign of smoke which is playing with my mind. The smoke is neither white or blue, it seems to be mixed Now, a while back, I did accidentally (absentmindedly) bump the shifter into S when I was cruising down the interstate at 75-80. I was there for 2-3 miles at 5000rpm. I know the engine got up to about 110C, but no warmer. This is the next piece of the puzzle. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:06:02 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: aren't there oil lines to and from the turbo for cooling purposes? The return (I believe) is a notorious leaker - at least on SD's...mine had to be repaired...oil running down, all over the pan, etc. That is a VERY common source of oil loss in OM617.95 engines, but it doesn't cause smoke. Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
Luther Gulseth wrote: This is what has me baffled. I don't find large puddles under my car, no spatters on the rear end, and the rear under carriage is fairly dry---NOTHING that would show the signs of 1qt/250mi like my SD did before I had the oil filter stand seal changed. THAT was deadly obvious. This has the added sign of smoke which is playing with my mind. The smoke is neither white or blue, it seems to be mixed Now, a while back, I did accidentally (absentmindedly) bump the shifter into S when I was cruising down the interstate at 75-80. I was there for 2-3 miles at 5000rpm. I know the engine got up to about 110C, but no warmer. This is the next piece of the puzzle. That engine can run at 5000 rpm and at 110 deg C almost forever - that did NOT toast it! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
I believe that. But could that have weakened a weak head gasket? I never noticed the smoke when I first purchased the car, and only realized the smoke n the last 2 months. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:15:50 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That engine can run at 5000 rpm and at 110 deg C almost forever - that did NOT toast it! Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
I had a chevy celebrity diesel, mid sized front wheel drive v6 diesel. Nice little car when it was running right. got 45 mpg with an auto tranny. The fuel filter would pass water and clog frequently, it also had a sock on the fuel pickup in the tank the same as a gas burner which would clog almost instantly on replacement, now they realized this would happen and made it to where it would pickup fuel further up, but you couldn't let it get below 1/3 tank. Fuel filter replacement was a pain with it crammed up on the engine with steel lines with flare end fittings that leaked constantly ( no place to mount a seperator on that thing )Had the 'pump take a dump' problem once in a inopportune place, cost a fortune to get it fixed ( couldn't find any info on it and one guy in the state who knew anything about the thing, a mechanic who used to work for gm dealer but had to be found out on his tractor after some searching, nice fellow, came out and fixed it in a parking lot...after a week to get parts and to the tune of about $580 ).Car finally died of an overheat on our wedding day ( loving sister-in -law anchored decorative streamers in the grill completely blocking the radiator...didn't notice until climbing a mountain...in 110 deg heat and the *Guess what* light came on, of course being a typical gm product, no temp gauge) Found out cheap injection molded aluminum GM heads were completely un-repairable and new ones non existent.Otherwise perfect car went to the boneyard. I think it had about 65000 miles on it and was only 6 or 7 years old. How they ever put those things on the road is beyond me. ---Robert Loren Faeth wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] What?
Mitch Haley wrote: So the Limeys Aussies are driving US MLs? Yep, according to John Green, who is sort of the Australian Rusty. Do they sell MLs in Japan? They do. They're listed on the MB Singapore website as well, but I don't think I've actually seen any there. They'd all be gassers in Asia, anyway. Tom
Re: [MBZ] Something fishy at Mercedes
The VW body and engine were designed by Porsche, not Hitler. Hitler embraced the design as the People's Car after the fact. And the VW was not the only rear engine, round body design - it just happens to be the only survivor, thanks in part to the British. If they had not picked up the pieces re-started production after the war, there would be no VW today. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:22 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Something fishy at Mercedes Read about this, I THINK, in Car and Driver - had a pic of the fish and the car (or a drawing of the car). Reminds me of Hitler's comment that a car should take it's inspiration from nature...it should have the shape of a Junebug...and we know the story of that one. Chris (thinking a 66mpg diesel would be nifty) Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought the list might enjoy this storyno pics of the car though.. The Times November 25, 2005 Mercedes goes back to nature for dynamic inspiration By Stuart Birch Our correspondent offers a fishy tale from Germany about the one that didnt get away STORYTELLING fishermen across the world, prepare to hang up your hooks and rods because you will never top this one. The latest Mercedes-Benz concept car was caught swimming in a coral reef. That is a slight exaggeration, but then fishy stories always are. However, Mercedess extraordinary new Bionic Car really does owe its shape and much of its strength to a fish; not a streamlined shark or an elegant ray, but the chunky boxfish. Bionics is all about combining biology with technology, so on one quiet Friday afternoon, Mercedes researchers were thumbing through the Wonder Book of Funny Fish when, on page 94, they saw the boxfish. At once they realised that within its cubic frame was the secret of tomorrows car. * Click here to find out more! The tropical boxfish may not look the sleekest or sexiest of piscatorial creatures, but the Mercedes team knew better. In fact, the boxfish is extremely hydrodynamically efficient and that meant it would be aerodynamically efficient, too, they decided just what was needed for a car. Unlikely though it may seem, they also discovered that its rectangular anatomy was almost identical to the cross-section of a cars body and, because it has to cope with a tough natural environment jagged coral and predators attacking without warning it had a lot more in common with cars. It is able to protect its body in collisions, withstand high pressures, move with low energy consumption but plenty of power when needed and has good manoeuvrability. It also has a rigid skin with interlinked hexagonal plates to give maximum strength for minimal weight. Transferred to the external panels of a car door, this system produces a honeycomb pattern, with up to 40 per cent more rigidity. Apply it to an entire car and weight could be cut by 30 per cent, yet crash safety and driving dynamics would still be excellent: nature had NCAP safety tests sussed aeons before the modern car industry. There you are, the Mercedes team chorused, its a fish that thinks it s a car. It just needs four wheels. So they went ahead and built the boxfish car, although the marketing people decided that Bionic Car sounded better. A four-seat hatchback with a diesel engine and chassis from the Mercedes A-Class, it drives like a conventional car. It is roomy, with a huge glass windscreen extending into the roof. It has lively performance, a top speed of about 120mph and average fuel consumption of almost 66 miles to the gallon. Like some cars, though, the boxfish has a bit of an antisocial emission problem, being able to eject a toxin sufficiently powerful to kill some fish. Not wishing to emulate that, Mercedes has given the Bionic Car a super-clean exhaust system, using a new fluid called AdBlue, to cut by about 80 per cent the nitrogen oxides produced by the diesel engine. Although it is not as slippery as the boxfish, the Bionic Car is remarkably aerodynamic about a fifth better than the slipperiest production cars. The problem, though, is that no matter how much you may like fish, the efficient, clean-living concept car does look odd. And clever though its design may be, will many people really want to buy a fish on wheels? Professor Herbert Kohler, the director of vehicle body and drive research at Mercedess parent company, DaimlerChrysler, believes that aerodynamics will remain an essential element of design, despite the slowing effect of traffic densities and speed cameras. But styling will still be affected, he said, so car buyers may have to change their attitudes and accept what today may be seen as unusual or even weird such as the Bionic Car. Across Germany from Mercedess Stuttgart headquarters, Volkswagen are also bracing themselves for an outbreak of
[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:48 PM To: Weekly Highway Diesel Prices Subject: Today's Diesel Prices ** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-highway diesel prices, by week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATEAVG COAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 051128 2.479 2.467 2.619 2.604 2.394 2.442 2.456 2.591 2.617 2.559 051121 2.513 2.491 2.652 2.615 2.423 2.477 2.491 2.654 2.652 2.599 051114 2.602 2.565 2.699 2.689 2.500 2.575 2.585 2.766 2.738 2.717 051107 2.698 2.657 2.744 2.755 2.608 2.671 2.679 2.907 2.821 2.797 051031 2.876 2.784 2.834 2.848 2.753 2.907 2.846 3.079 2.951 2.936 051024 3.157 3.051 2.873 2.940 3.115 3.235 3.146 3.232 3.142 3.152 051017 3.148 3.116 2.913 2.966 3.199 3.144 3.177 3.178 3.178 3.210 051010 3.150 3.160 2.947 2.990 3.252 3.123 3.182 3.143 3.167 3.240 051003 3.144 3.198 3.012 3.040 3.283 3.083 3.185 3.079 3.174 3.262 050926 2.798 2.808 2.859 2.875 2.775 2.739 2.756 2.938 2.978 3.031 050919 2.732 2.749 2.804 2.846 2.702 2.648 2.677 2.902 2.985 3.060 050912 2.847 2.849 2.920 2.935 2.806 2.782 2.797 2.957 3.093 3.158 050905 2.898 2.900 2.977 2.993 2.853 2.843 2.833 2.976 3.149 3.250 050829 2.590 2.564 2.649 2.654 2.518 2.532 2.508 2.726 2.920 3.045 050822 2.588 2.564 2.642 2.654 2.519 2.540 2.512 2.679 2.897 3.037 050815 2.567 2.544 2.618 2.633 2.499 2.524 2.481 2.615 2.891 3.042 050808 2.407 2.386 2.492 2.484 2.334 2.336 2.323 2.486 2.801 2.943 050801 2.348 2.356 2.488 2.465 2.297 2.292 2.279 2.421 2.594 2.657 050725 2.342 2.365 2.508 2.481 2.303 2.292 2.278 2.405 2.530 2.578 050718 2.392 2.412 2.535 2.521 2.354 2.361 2.331 2.430 2.530 2.589 050711 2.408 2.427 2.533 2.524 2.377 2.384 2.355 2.408 2.526 2.589 050704 2.348 2.370 2.485 2.475 2.315 2.328 2.290 2.328 2.467 2.554 050627 2.336 2.368 2.476 2.461 2.318 2.314 2.288 2.288 2.433 2.522 050620 2.313 2.348 2.442 2.451 2.296 2.294 2.274 2.236 2.391 2.476 050613 2.276 2.308 2.399 2.399 2.261 2.248 2.247 2.210 2.364 2.457 050606 2.234 2.263 2.353 2.343 2.221 2.198 2.213 2.191 2.339 2.421 050530 2.160 2.188 2.320 2.284 2.134 2.111 2.117 2.179 2.317 2.367 050523 2.156 2.181 2.338 2.292 2.119 2.097 2.112 2.207 2.339 2.373 050516 2.189 2.204 2.380 2.315 2.141 2.129 2.141 2.267 2.397 2.432 050509 2.227 2.237 2.389 2.342 2.179 2.157 2.173 2.318 2.481 2.518 050502 2.262 2.264 2.410 2.366 2.207 2.194 2.209 2.355 2.530 2.561 050425 2.289 2.287 2.413 2.382 2.234 2.230 2.231 2.371 2.549 2.570 050418 2.259 2.260 2.418 2.373 2.197 2.194 2.180 2.379 2.554 2.582 050411 2.316 2.306 2.434 2.423 2.244 2.263 2.251 2.399 2.585 2.625 050404 2.303 2.299 2.427 2.412 2.238 2.258 2.240 2.361 2.541 2.581 050328 2.249 2.248 2.374 2.360 2.189 2.203 2.182 2.326 2.483 2.512 050321 2.244 2.245 2.355 2.358 2.186 2.196 2.180 2.313 2.471 2.482 050314 2.194 2.197 2.320 2.309 2.137 2.140 2.130 2.260 2.442 2.418 050307 2.168 2.163 2.288 2.280 2.102 2.113 2.100 2.229 2.450 2.408 050228 2.118 2.117 2.241 2.233 2.056 2.064 2.035 2.174 2.412 2.376 050221 2.020 2.027 2.198 2.154 1.957 1.953 1.943 2.087 2.321 2.259 050214 1.986 2.013 2.197 2.150 1.938 1.935 1.915 2.011 2.190 2.196 050207 1.983 2.025 2.222
Re: [MBZ] might be needing some cars
LT Don wrote: Lose the 0A. Eh, FOX News has its uses. The important thing is to not think of it as a news source in the traditional sense. What it is is an extremely efficient way of finding out what the Bush Administration's current talking points are. FOX is always the first to parrot them, then they trickle down into the mainstream media.
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
What's that carburettor stuff I see on that Mog Exchange. I have seen a lot of Unimogs of all sizes where I came from, 50's to the 70's, but never heard of a gasser. Most all 404's, which were mostly various army trucks, were M180 gassers. Gas wasn't that popular by model designation, but they seemed to make a _lot_ of those 404's! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Speaker Repair
The dreaded foam rot. A lot of good speakers have been lost to it. You may be SOL, but I'd appreciate hearing about a viable repair. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] not sure if this is worth something or not
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-1972-Mercedes- 350sl_W0QQitemZ8018314614QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem OMFG! Reserve not met at $100? I'd say 'or not' then. I'd want those bad boys for $100, though. Just think of the bragging rights a 107 woods runner would have. I'm assuming you could weld enough fence posts under that rusty mess to hold it together though. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Bob Rentfro wrote: We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting I'm in the drive away as soon as you have oil pressure, but don't stomp on it until temp stabilizes camp.
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
You've got it right. The model with the largest production run was the gas powered 404.1 used by many nato countries and was powered by the M180. There were also some 404.0s produced in the early 70s with an updated cab and the higher out put M130. All the other Mogs are diesel powered, Including the 416 DOKA I'm selling which is powered by the direct injection OM352. The DOKA refers to the relatively rare four door cab option. Bob DuPUy On 11/28/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a lot of them in the 60s had the 2.2 liter M180 engine, same as the 220Sb and 220b I think all or most of the Swiss army ones were gas. seems like a lot if them made it to the US. (not a Mog expert) Bob could surely give a better answer At 08:05 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: What's that carburettor stuff I see on that Mog Exchange. I have seen a lot of Unimogs of all sizes where I came from, 50's to the 70's, but never heard of a gasser. Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
In the Exorcist, the mom and the girl are driving away in a 70s S-class at the end - think it was a 280SEL 4.5, but I could be wrong. My favorite benz film moments are Jack Nicholson driving a 600 in the Witches of Eastwick and the 6.9 in Ronin. On 11/28/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall Ben Kingsley drove a 280 114 in House of sand and fog On Monday, November 28, 2005, at 06:29 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? In Enemy of the State the good congresscritter was stuffed in his 114 or 115 and shoved in a lake after the bad guys killed him. In Daddy Daycare Eddie Murphy had a Benz, until he got stuck with the minivan and his wife got the Benz. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
I replaced the 5.7 litre diesel in my '80 Olds station wagon with a 400 CI Olds gas engine. If I remember correctly, I only had to swap the diesel flywheel to the gas engine and move the left engine mount back one notch on the frame (the holes were already drilled). I used the diesel exhaust manifolds, which bolted right up. The only tricky part was finding a kickdown cable for the transmission that was the correct length. It was an easy conversion. Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:03 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What? On 11/28/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! I know you're not necessarily trying to imply that there are non-factory cars out there with the GM 6.2 or 6.5 liter diesel in them, Loren, but this does bring up an interesting point... would such a conversion even be possible? I've heard conflicting things about the 6.2/6.5 motors. Some people say that they bolt right up anywhere a Chevy small-block V8 will go (same motor mounts and tranny bolt pattern), and others say the dimensions are too different (the diesel motor is taller, maybe?). If it's the first case, then a turbodiesel Jag XJ6 should be a no-brainer, considering that kits to put 350 gassers in them are readily available. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Something fishy at Mercedes
All the pics you could possibly want are right here.http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050607.004 I would seriously consider this sucker if it were to be produced at something approaching a reasonable price. Tjohn 82 300 SD On 11/28/05, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought the list might enjoy this storyno pics of the car though..
[MBZ] Mb's in Movies
Ok Don wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? In several of the old James Bond movies (with the only real Bond - Sean Connery), he drove a MB at least for a little while. IIRC, in The Man With the Golden Gun, Bond drove a benz. The thing that always gets me in movies is when they crash them. How could they destroy such nice cars. Donald H. Snook
Re: [MBZ] Something fishy at Mercedes
yes, it was designed by Porsche, yes there were others (one of which was an MB - nifty photos in a MB coffee table book I have (actually first KdF-Wagens were made at the Stuttgart-Unterturkheim plant)), yes, a particular British automotive engineer with the occupation forces nearly single-handedly saved VW from extinction (probably would have been hauled off, factory and all...although I think the Russians did most of that)). BUT, Hitler gave directions to Porsche on basic design elements of the KdF-Wagen...one being the shape, another being the seating capacity, another being the fuel economy. THey OFTEN met over sausages and beer (Hitler neither drank alcohol nor ate meat, but Porsche did) to discuss the car. Hitler was not a mechanic or an engineer, he never even learned to drive (!) but he did play a significant role in making the bug what it was. Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VW body and engine were designed by Porsche, not Hitler. Hitler embraced the design as the People's Car after the fact. And the VW was not the only rear engine, round body design - it just happens to be the only survivor, thanks in part to the British. If they had not picked up the pieces re-started production after the war, there would be no VW today. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:22 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Something fishy at Mercedes Read about this, I THINK, in Car and Driver - had a pic of the fish and the car (or a drawing of the car). Reminds me of Hitler's comment that a car should take it's inspiration from nature...it should have the shape of a Junebug...and we know the story of that one. Chris (thinking a 66mpg diesel would be nifty) Jeff Zedic wrote: Thought the list might enjoy this storyno pics of the car though.. The Times November 25, 2005 Mercedes goes back to nature for dynamic inspiration By Stuart Birch Our correspondent offers a fishy tale from Germany about the one that didnt get away STORYTELLING fishermen across the world, prepare to hang up your hooks and rods because you will never top this one. The latest Mercedes-Benz concept car was caught swimming in a coral reef. That is a slight exaggeration, but then fishy stories always are. However, Mercedess extraordinary new Bionic Car really does owe its shape and much of its strength to a fish; not a streamlined shark or an elegant ray, but the chunky boxfish. Bionics is all about combining biology with technology, so on one quiet Friday afternoon, Mercedes researchers were thumbing through the Wonder Book of Funny Fish when, on page 94, they saw the boxfish. At once they realised that within its cubic frame was the secret of tomorrows car. * Click here to find out more! The tropical boxfish may not look the sleekest or sexiest of piscatorial creatures, but the Mercedes team knew better. In fact, the boxfish is extremely hydrodynamically efficient and that meant it would be aerodynamically efficient, too, they decided just what was needed for a car. Unlikely though it may seem, they also discovered that its rectangular anatomy was almost identical to the cross-section of a cars body and, because it has to cope with a tough natural environment jagged coral and predators attacking without warning it had a lot more in common with cars. It is able to protect its body in collisions, withstand high pressures, move with low energy consumption but plenty of power when needed and has good manoeuvrability. It also has a rigid skin with interlinked hexagonal plates to give maximum strength for minimal weight. Transferred to the external panels of a car door, this system produces a honeycomb pattern, with up to 40 per cent more rigidity. Apply it to an entire car and weight could be cut by 30 per cent, yet crash safety and driving dynamics would still be excellent: nature had NCAP safety tests sussed aeons before the modern car industry. There you are, the Mercedes team chorused, its a fish that thinks it s a car. It just needs four wheels. So they went ahead and built the boxfish car, although the marketing people decided that Bionic Car sounded better. A four-seat hatchback with a diesel engine and chassis from the Mercedes A-Class, it drives like a conventional car. It is roomy, with a huge glass windscreen extending into the roof. It has lively performance, a top speed of about 120mph and average fuel consumption of almost 66 miles to the gallon. Like some cars, though, the boxfish has a bit of an antisocial emission problem, being able to eject a toxin sufficiently powerful to kill some fish. Not wishing to emulate that, Mercedes has given the Bionic Car a super-clean exhaust system, using a new fluid called AdBlue, to cut by about 80 per cent the nitrogen oxides produced by the
[MBZ] OT Hey you rural Okies and Iowans
Here is your next new business oppty --R http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/29/technology/29broad.html Money Is There to Aid Rural Internet, but Loans Are Hard to Get By VIKAS BAJAJ DALLAS CENTER, Iowa - Daniel and Linda Hawkins expected to lose some amenities when they moved to this small farming town, population 1,759, from a slightly larger city nearby. But they were so sure they would have high-speed Internet access that they had high-capacity wiring installed in every room in the house. After all, many farmers who live nearby subscribe to a high-speed wireless service provided by Prairie iNet, a small company based outside Des Moines, and they zip effortlessly around the Web. But to the couple's dismay, their new house, complete with a fishing pond in the back, lies in a wireless dead zone, one that Prairie iNet is not likely to fill soon. Turned down by a federal loan program meant to bring high-speed access to rural areas in 2004, the company is using its limited private funds to expand service to small businesses in the Des Moines suburbs rather than farmers and homes spread among the rolling corn and soybean fields of Iowa and Illinois, a constituency it started serving in 2000. There is demand on the commercial side, and we recover our costs quicker on that side, said Neil J. Mulholland, Prairie iNet's founder and chief executive. And it's too bad, because there are a lot of people out in these areas that really want to get our service, and they will pay the $50. Many of them are paying $70.MORE
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Im pretty sure the percent was even higher than that. Loren Faeth wrote: Maybe someone could produce the US sales numbers, but I believe in 82-84 Mercedes sold about 60% diesels. VW may have been in the 75% diesel range. Wascal Wabbits! At 08:43 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I had no idea. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I just figured when the fuel crisis ended, so did interest in diesels. Will keep this e-mail for future reference and forward to some friends. Thanks! Chris Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Loren Faeth wrote: Kaleb, A. We were talking about cars, not trucks. Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! Of course there were no diesel V-8 cars from the factory. You said GM, assuming you were referring to all GM cars. That is what my comment was based on. B. The filter was on the back of the intake, and was plumbed backwards. It DID cause nozzle failures. It did often plug. It was NOT easy to change. True. The later 6.5's are also on the back of the intake but not really hard to change and not plumbed backwards that I can tell. Probably a different filter setup Im sure. C. I did say the engine was reasonably reliable if you put a decent fuel filter/separator on it. yes, you did. D. I did not create the reputation of GM diesel cars. GM did that all by itself. I merely observed it. Yes, GM had quite a reputation. Had a couple of different family members with those, one with a pontiac boneville, one with a pontiac station wagon. But as we discussed the biggest problem with the whole deal was lack of dealer training and support. At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used
Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in Midwest
yep, regina can find you a nice place around here. LT Don wrote: I gotta move south. On 11/29/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OKC - $2.20 On 11/28/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $2.45 On 11/28/05, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what the rest of the country is doing, but I saw Diesel in Springfield, Missouri this past weekend at $2.28. On the way back to Wichita I went through Joplin and saw it for $2.25. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
Remember MacGuyver? My wife and I have been buying the DVDs. I've noticed that frequently the bad guys will drive a 126... I was looking at an '82 300SD a couple months ago and my wife said Gee, just like the bad guys on MacGuyver. -Curt Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:21:52 -0600 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes? - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 14:57:19 2005 Received: from web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.41]) by server1.arterytc1.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Eh6v1-0005qC-Gp for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:57:19 + Received: (qmail 75847 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2005 14:57:11 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OsomU1CEPlkzaadOhmcEqyUZjWUyP67VsTZe/I6B0I1BuoaEJBngBH/cR+WVEUaaCUrUDyz7O4x9aLM3O/Pq6bN0PTalmEBcSaYHDuiEflUa57pkewi9nuMBO9RFFQNhnfahO7JTQtl/qX2+A6t0/8ysDDGWWkkBkeVAMWPni1I= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:57:11 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:57:19 - Now that I think of it, what were the bad guys driving in On Her Majesty's Secret Service? I'm thinking a 115 gasser. Grand cinematography that. -Curt Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:41:40 -0600 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed There have been a few things on the tube that had a good guy driving an MB, mostly 107s Come to think of it, in one of the Herbie movies the bad guys were in a 111. Herbie goes to Monte Carlo? - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 14:58:06 2005 Received: from wsip-70-184-19-127.ok.ok.cox.net ([70.184.19.127] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eh6vm-0005uu-Hl for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:58:06 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:58:17 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices in Midwest X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:58:06 - but the cost of living range is also cheaper. LT Don wrote: Nope. You gave me the salary range. On 11/29/05, OK
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
My five year old recently borrowed a movie from the local library with a little PSA embedded in the previews. The PSA is designed to guilt kids into avoiding downloading copywrited data from the internet. It shows images of a seedy looking guy using a slim jim while attempting to break into a nice looking W123. After viewing the PSA, I got my daughter's solemn promise to never use a slim jim on our W123. She just shrugged her shoulders and said whatever dad. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (205k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
GM and diesels has a more recent analogy: Microsoft and web browsers GM was very late to the diesel car scene. To compensate it threw its vast resources into throwing together a diesel car program. Microsoft was late to the internet. It threw its vast resources into creating a web browser program. Microsoft differed from GM in that it was able to install the program in every OS. GM did not install diesels in every car. Anybody remember IE 1, 2, or 3? I think it was 2 that even installed a virus when you downloaded it and installed it. They are as forgettable as GM diesel cars. As kaleb says, by the time GM reached version 3 the 6.5 in 1992, they had a decent product. Still IMHO, not as reliable or dependable as a 616/617 or even a 60x with Bosch inline injection pumps. At 08:46 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Kaleb, A. We were talking about cars, not trucks. Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! Of course there were no diesel V-8 cars from the factory. You said GM, assuming you were referring to all GM cars. That is what my comment was based on. B. The filter was on the back of the intake, and was plumbed backwards. It DID cause nozzle failures. It did often plug. It was NOT easy to change. True. The later 6.5's are also on the back of the intake but not really hard to change and not plumbed backwards that I can tell. Probably a different filter setup Im sure. C. I did say the engine was reasonably reliable if you put a decent fuel filter/separator on it. yes, you did. D. I did not create the reputation of GM diesel cars. GM did that all by itself. I merely observed it. Yes, GM had quite a reputation. Had a couple of different family members with those, one with a pontiac boneville, one with a pontiac station wagon. But as we discussed the biggest problem with the whole deal was lack of dealer training and support. At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Actually the 6.2 is a pretty good engine. There were some bad ones out there but I suspect it was mostly from people doing things with then they were not designed for such as turning up the power on them and such . They may even be better than the 6.5 in the fact that the IP seemed to be less of a problem. The later 6.5 had an electronic pump and the electronic controllers failed quite a bit in the stock location. The pumps are nowhere nears as reliable though as the bosch we are used to. Loren Faeth wrote: GM and diesels has a more recent analogy: Microsoft and web browsers GM was very late to the diesel car scene. To compensate it threw its vast resources into throwing together a diesel car program. Microsoft was late to the internet. It threw its vast resources into creating a web browser program. Microsoft differed from GM in that it was able to install the program in every OS. GM did not install diesels in every car. Anybody remember IE 1, 2, or 3? I think it was 2 that even installed a virus when you downloaded it and installed it. They are as forgettable as GM diesel cars. As kaleb says, by the time GM reached version 3 the 6.5 in 1992, they had a decent product. Still IMHO, not as reliable or dependable as a 616/617 or even a 60x with Bosch inline injection pumps. At 08:46 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: Kaleb, A. We were talking about cars, not trucks. Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! Of course there were no diesel V-8 cars from the factory. You said GM, assuming you were referring to all GM cars. That is what my comment was based on. B. The filter was on the back of the intake, and was plumbed backwards. It DID cause nozzle failures. It did often plug. It was NOT easy to change. True. The later 6.5's are also on the back of the intake but not really hard to change and not plumbed backwards that I can tell. Probably a different filter setup Im sure. C. I did say the engine was reasonably reliable if you put a decent fuel filter/separator on it. yes, you did. D. I did not create the reputation of GM diesel cars. GM did that all by itself. I merely observed it. Yes, GM had quite a reputation. Had a couple of different family members with those, one with a pontiac boneville, one with a pontiac station wagon. But as we discussed the biggest problem with the whole deal was lack of dealer training and support. At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for
Re: [MBZ] FW: Spring Pond Beavers
I looked at this with my usual email skepticism and went to snopes.com the urban legend investigations page, to have them run the history check on this and to my shock it is true! read more about it here: http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.htm George Mason Luther Gulseth wrote: Subject: Spring Pond Beavers This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative Land and Water Management Division ** This is the actual response sent back: ** Dear Mr. Price, Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County. Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials debris. I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is-aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation-so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream restored to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers-but if you are going to arrest them, they
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Hi Bob, Interestingly on my 240D anyway as soon as you turn the key to on the temp needle comes off the cold peg If its very cold, like below 0F I'll use the block heater. To do that I lug a 110ah battery down to the car. So after the car is started I'll let it idle while I hike the battery back upstairs and put it on the charger. Then I'll usually have another cup of coffee before heading to work. Marshall's contention about not letting the car idle is mostly because of carbon build up. Since I have a 80 mile roundtrip highway commute I'm not real worried about carbon buildup. One time 2 winters ago the glowplugs on Hammie failed so I left him running at work all day. (it was 10F, he'd never have started without glowplugs) -Curt '83 240D Hammie 248kmi Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:44 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure, you can take off like a scalded dog...both for gassers and diesels. Others say let it warm until it's off the cold peg. Dr. Booth has always said MB diesels were not intended to idle for more than a couple of minutes. Since it very seldom gets cold here, I've forgotten. When I lived in IL back in the day, I just plugged in my 220D each night when it was cold and the temp gauge was always off the cold peg. What's the deal? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 144K Litchfield Park, AZ - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 15:31:33 2005 Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.211]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Eh7S9-0001Hm-Mq for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:33 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id 20051129153129m91003fe2ne; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:29 + Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.7.2]); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:31:29 -0600 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:21:32 -0600 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Hey you rural Okies and Iowans X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:33 - Its only an opportunity if you are an established utility. I am all too familiar with Prairie Inet, and with the lack of availability in rural areas. Prairie inet only started to set up on the relatively flat areas of north central Iowa. Most of the state has rolling hills and is not suited to wireless, unless the wireless nodes were supported by a wired backbone. But still, the wired infrastructure is not there. Qwest has no plans to upgrade wiring or switches anywhere that I know of, other than in cities. Even in cities Qwest is famous for delivering only 1/4 or less of the bandwidth they charge for. The wired problem is compounded by people abandoning the wired phones and using cell phones only. There is a huge opportunity for verizon and US cellular to provide cheap wireless internet. The big difference was that in 1936, there was a farmhouse on every 40. Now one farm consists of 25-50 or more 40s. The population is not as dense as it was at the time of rural electrification. At 08:34 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: Here is your next new business oppty --R http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/29/technology/29broad.html Money Is There to Aid Rural Internet, but Loans Are Hard to Get By VIKAS BAJAJ DALLAS CENTER, Iowa - Daniel and Linda Hawkins expected to lose some amenities when they moved to this small farming town, population 1,759, from a slightly larger city nearby. But they were so sure they would have high-speed Internet access that they had high-capacity wiring installed in every room in the house.
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey you rural Okies and Iowans
At least where I live, the local telephone company offers Internet access (thru NetINS). I've had DSL for several years now, and had dial-up prior to that. On 11/29/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its only an opportunity if you are an established utility. I am all too familiar with Prairie Inet, and with the lack of availability in rural areas. Prairie inet only started to set up on the relatively flat areas of north central Iowa. Most of the state has rolling hills and is not suited to wireless, unless the wireless nodes were supported by a wired backbone. But still, the wired infrastructure is not there. Qwest has no plans to upgrade wiring or switches anywhere that I know of, other than in cities. Even in cities Qwest is famous for delivering only 1/4 or less of the bandwidth they charge for. The wired problem is compounded by people abandoning the wired phones and using cell phones only. There is a huge opportunity for verizon and US cellular to provide cheap wireless internet. The big difference was that in 1936, there was a farmhouse on every 40. Now one farm consists of 25-50 or more 40s. The population is not as dense as it was at the time of rural electrification. At 08:34 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: Here is your next new business oppty --R http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/29/technology/29broad.html Money Is There to Aid Rural Internet, but Loans Are Hard to Get By VIKAS BAJAJ DALLAS CENTER, Iowa - Daniel and Linda Hawkins expected to lose some amenities when they moved to this small farming town, population 1,759, from a slightly larger city nearby. But they were so sure they would have high-speed Internet access that they had high-capacity wiring installed in every room in the house. After all, many farmers who live nearby subscribe to a high-speed wireless service provided by Prairie iNet, a small company based outside Des Moines, and they zip effortlessly around the Web. But to the couple's dismay, their new house, complete with a fishing pond in the back, lies in a wireless dead zone, one that Prairie iNet is not likely to fill soon. Turned down by a federal loan program meant to bring high-speed access to rural areas in 2004, the company is using its limited private funds to expand service to small businesses in the Des Moines suburbs rather than farmers and homes spread among the rolling corn and soybean fields of Iowa and Illinois, a constituency it started serving in 2000. There is demand on the commercial side, and we recover our costs quicker on that side, said Neil J. Mulholland, Prairie iNet's founder and chief executive. And it's too bad, because there are a lot of people out in these areas that really want to get our service, and they will pay the $50. Many of them are paying $70.MORE ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
[MBZ] OT GM bashing
It has become fashionable to bash GM lately. I recognize that there are a lot of problems at GM right now and certainly GM made some really lousy cars in the 70's and 80's. GM also gave us some pretty fantastic ideas. GM was the first domestic company to build a front wheel drive car (1966 Olds Toronado), the first domestic company to try their hands at airbags, the first domestic company to build ABS cars and the first domestic company to attempt cylinder deactivation. I admit there have been some spectacular failures on the part of GM, for example: 1. The Chevy Vega 2. The diesel Chevette (commonly referred to in my family as the Shove-it because we had one and it caught fire with less than 20,000 miles) 3. The Cadillac 4-6-8 4. The 80's Cadillac Sevilles 5. The Cadillac Cimmaron 6. The Quad 4 engine before they figured out the head gasket problem. 7. All GM alternators 8. Dealership service departments in the 1980's. GM has also done a lot of things right. GM wants to be an innovator and they have great ideas, but sometimes they think the innovation should be rushed and they fail to really put the quality control into it before it reaches the market. Just my two cents. Here is a little survey of all the GM cars I have owned and an honest description of them. First car - 1978 Olds Delta 88 (260 V8) - horrible car - worn out by previous owners who used this lead sled with an underpowered V8 to pull their boat nothing good about this car, except it was cheap. 1981 Olds 98 Regency - great car. Stolen twice recovered twice had to use a spoon to start it. Transmission crapped out at 117,000. Drove it till it had 201,000 and wrapped it around a fire hydrant in an embarrassing display of intoxication. 1982 Olds Omega - Okay car. Went through alternators like crazy. Windshield always leaked. Must have had an oil leak because my mother started driving it, ignored the low oil light and smoked the engine. 1981 Chevette - My mother purchased this car in 1981 - it was her first new car since her 1968 VW bug. Three days at delivery parts of the dealer installed a/c fell out of the car. Two weeks later the wheel cylinders were leaking. After less than a year the water pump blew up and then the radiator exploded. Later, in 83 the car caught fire at the dealership while we were looking at a new car. 1985 Olds Toronado - pimp car. It had 7 cigarette lighters in it. Best driving car in the snow. HEAVY car. Very dependable 307 engine didn't do anything except replace the water pump once. 1984 Olds Delta 88 - great car. Replaced the water pump at 250,000 miles. Rebuilt carb at 200,000 miles. Put one alternator in at 225,000. Traded it for another car with 276,000. Great riding car. Lousy radio. 1985 Olds 98 - first of the smaller body styles. First generation of the 3800 engine (although they weren't calling it that yet). Still had a distributor. Had noisy timing chain starting at 40,000. I replaced the chain at 177,000 miles. Great car. Rebuilt alternator once at 150,000 miles for about 10 bucks in parts. Replaced motor mounts at 130,000. Block cracked down by the oil pan at 200,000 miles. Fixed it with JB weld and sold it to a wholesaler for $1250. 1990 Oldsmobile 88 - Best car I have ever owned (except for my 1990 MB 124 diesel which now belongs to OK Don). I got 34 mpg on this car. Never replaced the water pump or the alternator. Sold it with 150,000 miles in perfect condition. 1986 Olds Cutlass Supreme - Cool Car with T-Tops and fancy factory wheels and cool center console. 307 motor very reliable, but tuned down so much this car was kind of a dog. Never had any problems. Bought it with 116,000 drove it 50,000 miles. Lousy mileage. Sold it to a guy who drove it to LA the next day. Two months later he brought it into the dealership where I worked and the catalytic converter was clogged and it would barely run. Sent it to a shady exhaust shop which fixed the entire exhaust for 300 including new cat. Saw him a few years ago and he still had it. Left T-top fit funny and leaked. 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera. Most boring car ever. Grey exterior grey interior. Car was so boring it never even broke down. Had the 3.1 m motor. Just before I sold it, it leaked oil like crazy when the oil ring which sealed the former distributor shaft went bad. Cost me $200. Sold it for $500 more than I paid for it - having driven it for 3 years and 40,000 miles. Totally dependable and dull. Donald H. Snook
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
My favorite benz film moments are Jack Nicholson driving a 600 in the Witches of Eastwick and the 6.9 in Ronin. Mine too! Criminal what they did to that 600, though. I wanted to rescue it every time I saw it! I also liked the moment in Suicide Kings (or was it Things To Do in Denver When You're Dead?) where Christopher Walken is taken for a ride in a 126 by the 'good' guys (and that's stretching a point) and he comments something like the krauts make a damned fine car. -- Jim
[MBZ] Fw: [biodieselbasics] Peugeot Diesel car for sale
I got this on the Yahoo biodiesel list. Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD - Original Message - From: Steven To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: [biodieselbasics] Peugeot Diesel car for sale '81 505 TD auto located in NE GA. Has faded paint and needs tires and a few minor details, but runs and drives good. $800.00 Contact me off-list if interested... To learn more about Biodiesel and how it's made, go to: http://www.biodieselcommunity.org
Re: [MBZ] turbo seal?
Marshall, During the last 3 weeks, when I did not have the car plugged-in at night during the colder weather, it blew blue smoke out the tailpipe upon statrup. As soon as the engine warms up just a little bit, the smoke disappears. It is also a bit slower than normal, too. I changed the oil and filter about 6 weeks ago and thought I'd try using 5w30 Mobil 1 after searching all over for the new 10w40 Truck SUV Mobil 1. I've gone thru 2 additional qts since then. I don't want to sell the car, either. I will be keeping it for awhile longer. If this is a head gasket leak, that would explain some oil residue on the pass side of the front of the engine, as well as some on the injector pump. The car leaks small amounts of ATF, but not motor oil that I can tell. The coolant reservoir is clean and always at the proper level. I will check out the areas around the head gasket in the front. Thx. Nick Gough 86 300 SDL 171k 93 300E 2.8 127k 97 Jetta 70k - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 16:27:38 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.206]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Eh8KQ-0007Tg-7q for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:27:38 + Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so215854nzh for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Yv9l8p7UZbRFwIYs5m0M55bxx7H0i7W3iKnipQfZkeS3ZMAVNl+01rQ2fxIEHHj3X5ehPfUsqI8/tXbuda+NzJtkKQ3FmY6W5jMF5isvB+WEF30G4IWCjjVdoOMXs9kjI1E9s9t0PDut7fRDOtOPx+BdGidEMvPFH2QsyeCcZSc= Received: by 10.36.221.39 with SMTP id t39mr4504227nzg; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.106.10 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:27:35 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody want rear headrests in their 123? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:27:43 - Dark blue is much prettier than tan and it doesn't show dirt - a real plus! On 11/28/05, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Already have them and in a much nicer tan colour. - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: [MBZ] anybody want rear headrests in their 123? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-123-Rear-Seat-Set-with-Headrests-= RARE-all-w123_W0QQitemZ8018566777QQcategoryZ33701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/181 - Release Date: 24/11/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] might be needing some cars
I knew I'd get a rise about my left leaning seat comment. Anyway, he would probably take 3 grand for the car, which puts it way out of reach of members of 500 Max Club On 11/29/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: Lose the 0A. Eh, FOX News has its uses. The important thing is to not think of it as a news source in the traditional sense. What it is is an extremely efficient way of finding out what the Bush Administration's current talking points are. FOX is always the first to parrot them, then they trickle down into the mainstream media. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
