Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
I still hate them.
On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dimitri - still hate Priuses?

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 
 
 http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703773020
 
  --R
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Tom Savage via Mercedes
On May 12, 2015 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703773020


I like that a lot, though it probably makes more sense in Japan.  Would the
reaction be better to a Toppola? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toppola

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I think it was 3 times, just on accumulators.  One at a time, in 
place of in pairs as everyone, including the book, told him.


I'm always surprised with Andrew's willingness to cheap out yet 
insistence on his fine automobiles.
Don't your fine automobiles deserve good parts? Didn't you already 
get stuck from cheaping out on accumulators once?

-Curt
  From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but 
which brand is best??
  




I don't know why you persist in buying important parts off eBay. It

 will all end in tears.
 -Curt

+1


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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY on the write-up/instructions/procedures, Grant.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers



As owner of quite a number of vehicles [currently 17], I've become
something of a skilled person in the art of keeping the seldom driven
vehicle operational.

1. Invest in a battery disconnect switch. Harbor Freight sells one that
costs about $7. Put it in the ground cable and when you park the vehicle,
disconnect the ground, thus isolating the battery from any current draw
the
vehicle may have. Since you put it in the ground circuit, it makes
location
of the switch easier also, no hot lead to deal with. All required to fit
the switch is usually a short ground strap with a lug on each end.. normal
ground cable end is mounted on one lug of the switch, the new cable to the
other, the loose end mounted at the newly vacated ground mount point.
All
connections to batteries need to be Clean, Bright, and Tight  [good
protocol].

2. I use the small solar panels to provide 1.5 amp charging current to the
now isolated battery. A good battery [presume you aren't storing a bad
battery, right?] will self discharge at the rate of about .06 volts per
month, starting with a good 12.40 volt fully charged battery. The small
solar panel, mounted in a south facing window, will charge enough to make
up that normal loss. Even on cloudy days, you will get solar energy. Not
as
much, but it will average out.. the panel you get should have overcharge
circuitry built in.. it cost a bit more.. but still less than a new
battery. Check and make sure you have proper fluid level in the battery to
start with.

3. A good solar panel will come with quick disconnect pigtails that attach
directly to the battery clamps. So, when you use the vehicle, you will
unplug the solar panel, turn the ground disconnect switch to connect and
execute the stored start checklist for the vehicle.. [ie. prime fuel,
etc
etc..]

When you return from the weekend cruise, turn battery disconnect to off,
plug in solar panel, put the car back up on stands.. etc etc..

I chose the solar panel units because the sun always shines [well almost
always] even when the power grid may be down, plus.. I don't like leaving
electrical devices unattended, and they fail in unexpected ways.

Your personal mileage may vary.

Grant...

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‎Craig asks:
‎
Does anyone have experience with the battery maintainers which are
supposed to keep a battery in good condition during prolonged storage?

The Battery Tender line of products is good. Not cheap though.


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Battery+Tender

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Meade wrote:
 
 Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
 or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.

Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
with long term fuel storage!

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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Roughly 10% loss on propane, 20% on natural gas. It's all about the BTUs.

Dan

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 Meade wrote:
 
 Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
 or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.
 
 Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
 converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
 with long term fuel storage!
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Give me your year/model or a part number.  I know what my jobber price would be 
but the Northwoods guys are probably even cheaper, and they're a dealer.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On May 12, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 How cheap?
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 These are so stupid cheap from the dealer it's silly (in my opinion) not
 to buy dealer parts.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On May 12, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 To repeat my question, without gratuitous sniping from Curt, if anyone
 has
 experience with either brand of air cell please do comment.
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 The jury is still out on that but I am impressed at your memory.  Would
 you like to be my biographer?  .Miserable hours, lousy pay, churlish
 subject, great recognition.
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I'm always surprised with Andrew's willingness to cheap out yet
 insistence on his fine automobiles.
 Don't your fine automobiles deserve good parts? Didn't you already get
 stuck from cheaping out on accumulators once?
 -Curt
 From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which
 brand is best??
 
 
 
 I don't know why you persist in buying important parts off eBay. It
 will all end in tears.
 -Curt
 
 +1
 
 This is something I'd buy from the stealer.  I used to buy them from
 Q, and those were good.  I think they were febi, but I don't
 remember.  Without Q, I'd buy the ones in the MB box from the
 stealer.  you want quality because you don't want to change them
 often.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Well.. it does set a new standard for both Ugly and Useless .. thus
should receive a new category in the Darwin Awards... simply because
anyone in their right mind would consider suicide rather than be seen in
public owning one..

OTOH... being a Prius.. and being parked at the side of the road.. well..
there is a certain Needing power plugs however... useless, when tapped
into a dead battery bank..

Does the designer know that most American cities have laws against urban
camping? Being tied to the power grid and camping off road does not
calculate to me.. with a low slung prius.. now overloaded with a camper...

All the wrong engineering decisions.. packaged together... amazing..

Ok.. the anti-nausea meds are kicking in now... I'm better..

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I still hate them.
 On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

   Dimitri - still hate Priuses?
  


 Friends don't let friends drive Piouses (Pi'i) or any other toada.


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Re: [MBZ] S500 Won't Start

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
ATTABOY!  'Glad it's running, and I know it's a bit worrisome to not know 
'zackly what fixed it.


If it happens again, try just disconnecting battery for coupla minutes 
first.


Wilton

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Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:41 AM
Subject: [MBZ] S500 Won't Start



First and foremost, the car is now running.  I'm not exactly sure why.

Here's what I did in order:

1.) Replaced CPS. Car would not start.

2.) Fuel pressure was definitely low. Replaced fuel filter.  Fuel pressure 
was definitely improved. Car would not start.


3.) Disconneced battery. Removed and replaced fuses in computer module in 
coffin. Removed and replaced all connectors on EZL.  Reconnected 
battery.


Car started.

So I'm wondering if there were multiple issues, possibly a bad CPS and a 
clogged fuel filter. Or - maybe replacing the parts fixed it, but 
something needed to be reset?


I'm am not complaining in the least, I'm glad it's running. Just trying to 
figure out what exactly the fix was.


A BIG thank you to everyone who offered help and suggestions!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

  Meade wrote:


 Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
 or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.


Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
with long term fuel storage!


Or natural gas

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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

I still hate them.
On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Dimitri - still hate Priuses?
 


Friends don't let friends drive Piouses (Pi'i) or any other toada.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
...not as good as paper for serious learning/studying.

Not from personal experience, but one of my sons has done all his textbook 
studies on a kindle.  He says that it works especially well for him.  I think 
it is all about taking full advantage of the alternate capabilities of the 
format.

One thing that I love about the kindle is the quick access to an exceptional 
dictionary.  I have been very impressed with the fact that even some very 
obscure and archaic terms are to be found in the kindle dictionary!

Greg

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

If this is the original Kindle book reader, not the Fire tablet, it should use 
a standard micro USB cord, like Curt said. My wife uses hers several hours 
every day, reading almost all free books. She will only pay for one if it's the 
next in a particularly good series.
The Kindles are great for casual reading, not as good as paper for serious 
learning/studying.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My son bought me the original Kindle.  I uploaded a free book - Jack 
 London's Fang - but bogged down and then lost the charging cord.  it 
 now sits unloved on my desk...




--
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who 
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
I think the Sprinter makes a somewhat better chassis for an RV!

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703
773020

--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
...reading almost all free books.

I have recently become aware that most local libraries allow borrowing of 
e-books.  I have searched and found a few books by some of my favorite 
novelists available for a 3-week loan.  My library's app directs me to Amazon 
where I download the book.

It's pretty convenient and FREE!

Greg

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Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

If this is the original Kindle book reader, not the Fire tablet, it should use 
a standard micro USB cord, like Curt said. My wife uses hers several hours 
every day, reading almost all free books. She will only pay for one if it's the 
next in a particularly good series.
The Kindles are great for casual reading, not as good as paper for serious 
learning/studying.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My son bought me the original Kindle.  I uploaded a free book - Jack 
 London's Fang - but bogged down and then lost the charging cord.  it 
 now sits unloved on my desk...




--
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who 
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Dan wrote
Give me your year/model or a part number. I know what my jobber price would
be but the Northwoods guys are probably even cheaper, and they're a dealer.

WDBAB93C7FF035664

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

 *self leveling system

 All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
 good/bad experiences with the various brands?

 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1



 Wow, MB of Northlake wants $199 (x2!!) for the real thing now.

 Sorry, I can't comment on the current merits of Febi/Bilstein or Corteco.
 Do be aware that some of the aftermarket units have a reputation for not
 being able to last more than a couple of years, I just can't remember which.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
So Dimitri, how do you really feel?
On May 12, 2015 2:25 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Your classic douchebag RV.


 Sent from my iPhone

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 http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703773020
 
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Bad engineering decisions reminds me:  Cutting a hole in a perfectly good 
steel top to install a leaking, overhead door/window.


Wilton

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Well.. it does set a new standard for both Ugly and Useless .. thus
should receive a new category in the Darwin Awards... simply because
anyone in their right mind would consider suicide rather than be seen in
public owning one..

OTOH... being a Prius.. and being parked at the side of the road.. well..
there is a certain Needing power plugs however... useless, when tapped
into a dead battery bank..

Does the designer know that most American cities have laws against urban
camping? Being tied to the power grid and camping off road does not
calculate to me.. with a low slung prius.. now overloaded with a camper...

All the wrong engineering decisions.. packaged together... amazing..

Ok.. the anti-nausea meds are kicking in now... I'm better..

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


I still hate them.

On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Dimitri - still hate Priuses?
 



Friends don't let friends drive Piouses (Pi'i) or any other toada.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Andrew writes:

 ...reading almost all free books.

 I have recently become aware that most local libraries allow borrowing
 of e-books.  

Where do you live, Greg?  I may want to move there.

Why? Plenty of libraries around you loan them out. 

Put your zip code in here. 

https://www.overdrive.com/

Or for free books, look here. 

http://www.freebooksifter.com/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/pdf-downloads

https://archive.org/

https://openlibrary.org/

http://www.openculture.com/free_ebooks

And the grandfather of them all. 

https://www.gutenberg.org/

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I believe that to be the case as well, however, from an ethical standpoint you 
should contact the seller, make them aware of the error, and see how they want 
to deal with it.  That was from Business Ethics when I was in college.


I know it's an old thread, but two weeks ago MB Northlake put two copies of my 
shipping label, same tracking number, on two packages. One was my $45 rubber 
parts order. The other was $950 worth of Sprinter parts. Tony was more than glad 
to issue a call tag to overnite that stuff back to him.


In Re: Curt's door handle:
That wasn't unsolicited scam merchandise, it was an honest mistake of somebody 
the buyer had a business relationship with.
Perhaps Snook can chime in, but I think the recipient has no more claim to it 
than he has to the wallet laying on the sidewalk in front of his house.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Never mind, I got the number from the eBay auctions.

Holy mother of pearl! Those things are way expensive now.  Dealer counter price 
is like $246/each!!

The ones from Northlake are a good deal, relatively speaking.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On May 12, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I must have stuttered.
 
 I asked for model/year or part number, not the VIN.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On May 12, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Dan wrote
 Give me your year/model or a part number. I know what my jobber price would
 be but the Northwoods guys are probably even cheaper, and they're a dealer.
 
 WDBAB93C7FF035664
 
 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
 *self leveling system
 
 All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
 good/bad experiences with the various brands?
 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1
 
 
 Wow, MB of Northlake wants $199 (x2!!) for the real thing now.
 
 Sorry, I can't comment on the current merits of Febi/Bilstein or Corteco.
 Do be aware that some of the aftermarket units have a reputation for not
 being able to last more than a couple of years, I just can't remember which.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I must have stuttered.

I asked for model/year or part number, not the VIN.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On May 12, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Dan wrote
 Give me your year/model or a part number. I know what my jobber price would
 be but the Northwoods guys are probably even cheaper, and they're a dealer.
 
 WDBAB93C7FF035664
 
 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
 *self leveling system
 
 All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
 good/bad experiences with the various brands?
 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1
 
 
 Wow, MB of Northlake wants $199 (x2!!) for the real thing now.
 
 Sorry, I can't comment on the current merits of Febi/Bilstein or Corteco.
 Do be aware that some of the aftermarket units have a reputation for not
 being able to last more than a couple of years, I just can't remember which.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

*self leveling system

All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
good/bad experiences with the various brands?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1



Wow, MB of Northlake wants $199 (x2!!) for the real thing now.

Sorry, I can't comment on the current merits of Febi/Bilstein or Corteco.
Do be aware that some of the aftermarket units have a reputation for not being 
able to last more than a couple of years, I just can't remember which.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Where do you live, Greg?  I may want to move there.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ...reading almost all free books.

 I have recently become aware that most local libraries allow borrowing
 of e-books.  I have searched and found a few books by some of my favorite
 novelists available for a 3-week loan.  My library's app directs me to
 Amazon where I download the book.

 It's pretty convenient and FREE!

 Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
 via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:23 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Cc: OK Don
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

 If this is the original Kindle book reader, not the Fire tablet, it should
 use a standard micro USB cord, like Curt said. My wife uses hers several
 hours every day, reading almost all free books. She will only pay for one
 if it's the next in a particularly good series.
 The Kindles are great for casual reading, not as good as paper for serious
 learning/studying.

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  My son bought me the original Kindle.  I uploaded a free book - Jack
  London's Fang - but bogged down and then lost the charging cord.  it
  now sits unloved on my desk...
 



 --
 OK Don

 NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

 *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
 our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

 There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
 who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
 fence for themselves.

 WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
 2013 F150, 18 mpg
 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
I live in Washington!  Vancouver, WA to be exact.  It's not only my library, 
many other area library districts provide this service.  The app I use to get 
the loans is called Overdrive.  I actually use it on my Nook HD+, running the 
Kindle app via KitKat OS booted from a N2A micro SD card.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

Where do you live, Greg?  I may want to move there.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ...reading almost all free books.

 I have recently become aware that most local libraries allow borrowing
 of e-books.  I have searched and found a few books by some of my 
 favorite novelists available for a 3-week loan.  My library's app 
 directs me to Amazon where I download the book.

 It's pretty convenient and FREE!

 Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK 
 Don via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:23 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Cc: OK Don
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

 If this is the original Kindle book reader, not the Fire tablet, it 
 should use a standard micro USB cord, like Curt said. My wife uses 
 hers several hours every day, reading almost all free books. She will 
 only pay for one if it's the next in a particularly good series.
 The Kindles are great for casual reading, not as good as paper for 
 serious learning/studying.

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  My son bought me the original Kindle.  I uploaded a free book - Jack 
  London's Fang - but bogged down and then lost the charging cord.  it 
  now sits unloved on my desk...
 



 --
 OK Don

 NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

 *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and 
 many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

 There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The 
 few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the 
 electric fence for themselves.

 WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
 2013 F150, 18 mpg
 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

It's Japan, where various rules and rationality don't always seem to apply

--R



On 5/12/15 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Well.. it does set a new standard for both Ugly and Useless .. thus
should receive a new category in the Darwin Awards... simply because
anyone in their right mind would consider suicide rather than be seen in
public owning one..

OTOH... being a Prius.. and being parked at the side of the road.. well..
there is a certain Needing power plugs however... useless, when tapped
into a dead battery bank..

Does the designer know that most American cities have laws against urban
camping? Being tied to the power grid and camping off road does not
calculate to me.. with a low slung prius.. now overloaded with a camper...

All the wrong engineering decisions.. packaged together... amazing..

Ok.. the anti-nausea meds are kicking in now... I'm better..

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


I still hate them.

On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

   Dimitri - still hate Priuses?
  


Friends don't let friends drive Piouses (Pi'i) or any other toada.


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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Your classic douchebag RV.


Sent from my iPhone

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703773020
 
 --R
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Like running over a Prius with my mom's G-wagen.

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 12, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 So Dimitri, how do you really feel?
 On May 12, 2015 2:25 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 Your classic douchebag RV.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 12, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703773020
 
 --R
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
ATTABOY on being a foster Dad to 17 vehicles that might otherwise be sent
to the crusher.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 ATTABOY on the write-up/instructions/procedures, Grant.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers



  As owner of quite a number of vehicles [currently 17], I've become
 something of a skilled person in the art of keeping the seldom driven
 vehicle operational.

 1. Invest in a battery disconnect switch. Harbor Freight sells one that
 costs about $7. Put it in the ground cable and when you park the vehicle,
 disconnect the ground, thus isolating the battery from any current draw
 the
 vehicle may have. Since you put it in the ground circuit, it makes
 location
 of the switch easier also, no hot lead to deal with. All required to fit
 the switch is usually a short ground strap with a lug on each end.. normal
 ground cable end is mounted on one lug of the switch, the new cable to the
 other, the loose end mounted at the newly vacated ground mount point.
 All
 connections to batteries need to be Clean, Bright, and Tight  [good
 protocol].

 2. I use the small solar panels to provide 1.5 amp charging current to the
 now isolated battery. A good battery [presume you aren't storing a bad
 battery, right?] will self discharge at the rate of about .06 volts per
 month, starting with a good 12.40 volt fully charged battery. The small
 solar panel, mounted in a south facing window, will charge enough to make
 up that normal loss. Even on cloudy days, you will get solar energy. Not
 as
 much, but it will average out.. the panel you get should have overcharge
 circuitry built in.. it cost a bit more.. but still less than a new
 battery. Check and make sure you have proper fluid level in the battery to
 start with.

 3. A good solar panel will come with quick disconnect pigtails that attach
 directly to the battery clamps. So, when you use the vehicle, you will
 unplug the solar panel, turn the ground disconnect switch to connect and
 execute the stored start checklist for the vehicle.. [ie. prime fuel,
 etc
 etc..]

 When you return from the weekend cruise, turn battery disconnect to off,
 plug in solar panel, put the car back up on stands.. etc etc..

 I chose the solar panel units because the sun always shines [well almost
 always] even when the power grid may be down, plus.. I don't like leaving
 electrical devices unattended, and they fail in unexpected ways.

 Your personal mileage may vary.

 Grant...

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  ‎Craig asks:
 ‎
 Does anyone have experience with the battery maintainers which are
 supposed to keep a battery in good condition during prolonged storage?

 The Battery Tender line of products is good. Not cheap though.



 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Battery+Tender

 Rick
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[MBZ] 2013 C240

2015-05-12 Thread G. M. Brown via Mercedes
Any knowledge/experience anyone on the list may have regarding a 2013 C240 M-B 
with ~77K mi. which is for sale on a local used car lot here for $9995 would be 
greatly appreciated.  TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
  
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Like the Japanese game show where contestants sing karaoke while a pretty 
assistant uhh, manipulates their manhood. The facial expressions are pretty 
hilarious.
-Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen
   
It's Japan, where various rules and rationality don't always seem to apply

--R



On 5/12/15 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 Well.. it does set a new standard for both Ugly and Useless .. thus
 should receive a new category in the Darwin Awards... simply because
 anyone in their right mind would consider suicide rather than be seen in
 public owning one..

 OTOH... being a Prius.. and being parked at the side of the road.. well..
 there is a certain Needing power plugs however... useless, when tapped
 into a dead battery bank..

 Does the designer know that most American cities have laws against urban
 camping? Being tied to the power grid and camping off road does not
 calculate to me.. with a low slung prius.. now overloaded with a camper...

 All the wrong engineering decisions.. packaged together... amazing..

 Ok.. the anti-nausea meds are kicking in now... I'm better..


   
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
LOL!  Who is Northlake?

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 ;)

 Wilt

 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which
 brand is best??



  I must have stuttered.

 I asked for model/year or part number, not the VIN.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On May 12, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dan wrote
 Give me your year/model or a part number. I know what my jobber price
 would
 be but the Northwoods guys are probably even cheaper, and they're a
 dealer.

 WDBAB93C7FF035664

 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

  *self leveling system

 All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
 good/bad experiences with the various brands?


 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1



 Wow, MB of Northlake wants $199 (x2!!) for the real thing now.

 Sorry, I can't comment on the current merits of Febi/Bilstein or
 Corteco.
 Do be aware that some of the aftermarket units have a reputation for not
 being able to last more than a couple of years, I just can't remember
 which.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I dunno, I'd kind of like a Land Cruiser. Theres an early '70s one for sale 
nearby. Didn't check but I bet they want big money for it.

-Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen
   
I still hate them.
On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

   Dimitri - still hate Priuses?
  

Friends don't let friends drive Piouses (Pi'i) or any other toada.



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Re: [MBZ] 2013 C240

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

G. M. Brown via Mercedes wrote:

Any knowledge/experience anyone on the list may have regarding a 2013 C240 M-B 
with ~77K mi. which is for sale on a local used car lot here for $9995 would be 
greatly appreciated.  TIA.


Two years old, 77k, and $10k?
That's Chevy Cruze money.
I'd imagine the Ritter list folks know all about cars that new.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Tom Savage via Mercedes wrote:


I like that a lot, though it probably makes more sense in Japan.  Would the
reaction be better to a Toppola? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toppola


Oooh, if I had a 99 Wagonback instead of a couple of sedans...
The reason it only adds 250lb is that the Wagonback hatch it replaces probably 
weighs over 200lb.


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[MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
OK, so I've got this leaking poorly engineered hole in the roof of my wagon.

I taped the seams over, let Tropical Storm Ana do her thing, and I'm pretty
sure the issue is water getting past the sunroof (aka poorly design idea)
seal.  There was still some water on the floor from earlier rain, but it
didn't seem to get any worse (the water hides in the seat foundation
cross-pieces, comes out while driving, so it takes a few days to sop up all
the water once it has gotten in).

I'm still suspicious that there may be leaking from drain tube from the
sunroof down the A-pillar.  At the sunroof end, the material appears to be
plastic, which may have started to deteriorate after 28 years.

Is there a way to replace that tube without removing the sunroof assembly?

I plan to test by feeding water directly down the hole, and then driving
around to see if any water works out from under the seat, all though it is
unclear to me how water going down the A-pillar would work back to the
B-pillar and then under the seat foundation.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
How about TIG or MIG welding it shut? No more leaks!

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 OK, so I've got this leaking poorly engineered hole in the roof of my
 wagon.

 I taped the seams over, let Tropical Storm Ana do her thing, and I'm pretty
 sure the issue is water getting past the sunroof (aka poorly design idea)
 seal.  There was still some water on the floor from earlier rain, but it
 didn't seem to get any worse (the water hides in the seat foundation
 cross-pieces, comes out while driving, so it takes a few days to sop up all
 the water once it has gotten in).

 I'm still suspicious that there may be leaking from drain tube from the
 sunroof down the A-pillar.  At the sunroof end, the material appears to be
 plastic, which may have started to deteriorate after 28 years.

 Is there a way to replace that tube without removing the sunroof assembly?

 I plan to test by feeding water directly down the hole, and then driving
 around to see if any water works out from under the seat, all though it is
 unclear to me how water going down the A-pillar would work back to the
 B-pillar and then under the seat foundation.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Zackly.

Wilt

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To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes


OK, so I've got this leaking poorly engineered hole in the roof of my 
wagon.


I taped the seams over, let Tropical Storm Ana do her thing, and I'm 
pretty

sure the issue is water getting past the sunroof (aka poorly design idea)
seal.  There was still some water on the floor from earlier rain, but it
didn't seem to get any worse (the water hides in the seat foundation
cross-pieces, comes out while driving, so it takes a few days to sop up 
all

the water once it has gotten in).

I'm still suspicious that there may be leaking from drain tube from the
sunroof down the A-pillar.  At the sunroof end, the material appears to be
plastic, which may have started to deteriorate after 28 years.

Is there a way to replace that tube without removing the sunroof assembly?

I plan to test by feeding water directly down the hole, and then driving
around to see if any water works out from under the seat, all though it is
unclear to me how water going down the A-pillar would work back to the
B-pillar and then under the seat foundation.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
*sigh* if you paid any attention you'd know already.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand 
is best??
   
LOL!  Who is Northlake?

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 ;)

 Wilt

 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which
 brand is best??



  I must have stuttered.

 I asked for model/year or part number, not the VIN.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On May 12, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dan wrote
 Give me your year/model or a part number. I know what my jobber price
 would
 be but the Northwoods guys are probably even cheaper, and they're a
 dealer.

 WDBAB93C7FF035664

 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

  *self leveling system

 All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
 good/bad experiences with the various brands?


 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1



 Wow, MB of Northlake wants $199 (x2!!) for the real thing now.

 Sorry, I can't comment on the current merits of Febi/Bilstein or
 Corteco.
 Do be aware that some of the aftermarket units have a reputation for not
 being able to last more than a couple of years, I just can't remember
 which.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I should have RTFM, there is a nice picture (in 77-300 of the 124 FSM) with
the front headliner piece removed showing clear / easy access to the tubes
where they attach to the sunroof- er, poorly designed / engineered hole
frame.  Looks like if I find the need to replace the tubes, the top end can
be accessed without too much fuss.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Link?

Sent from my iPad

 On May 12, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Like the Japanese game show where contestants sing karaoke while a pretty 
 assistant uhh, manipulates their manhood. The facial expressions are pretty 
 hilarious.
 -Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen
 
 It's Japan, where various rules and rationality don't always seem to apply
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 5/12/15 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 Well.. it does set a new standard for both Ugly and Useless .. thus
 should receive a new category in the Darwin Awards... simply because
 anyone in their right mind would consider suicide rather than be seen in
 public owning one..
 
 OTOH... being a Prius.. and being parked at the side of the road.. well..
 there is a certain Needing power plugs however... useless, when tapped
 into a dead battery bank..
 
 Does the designer know that most American cities have laws against urban
 camping? Being tied to the power grid and camping off road does not
 calculate to me.. with a low slung prius.. now overloaded with a camper...
 
 All the wrong engineering decisions.. packaged together... amazing..
 
 Ok.. the anti-nausea meds are kicking in now... I'm better..
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 12 May 2015 16:00:47 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 All true.  They also last longer.  Less wear.
 
 
 I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much 
 cleaner, almost never experience carb trouble and can go longer 
 between oil changes because of it.
 -Curt

When I was actively building our propane-fired generator set, I read that
new engines cannot be broken in when run on propane because, with the oil
not being washed off the cylinder walls, the rings will never seat.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

I think the Sprinter makes a somewhat better chassis for an RV!


I think the Vixen is the ultimate sport RV chassis, but it turned out to be a 
mistake to chase MPG by installing a BMW 524TD engine in it, apparently that 
motor can't take running all day at heavy throttle. I wonder how an OM606 would 
hold up in a motorhome, or how easy it would be to wire up a five cylinder 
Sprinter mill to play nice in a foreign chassis.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Nother ATTABOY.

Wilton

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To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
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Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig



All true... however, propane engines do require more propane to make the
same energy as a gas engine in the same application.. propane simply has
less carbons to burn in the chain..

If you are using a gas fired generator.. do two things on shutdown..
1. Shut the fuel off while the generator is running.. If your generator
does not have a fuel shut off valve.. get one.

2. Run the carb dry of fuel, until the engine shuts it's self off from 
fuel

starvation.

By doing this.. the amount of damage done to the carb from dried out fuel
varnish is minimized. Most restart issues will be reduced if not 
eliminated.


It requires only a small effort on shutdown.. which will save, often, huge
efforts on startup.. which usually happen during an emergency of some
sort..

The other survival suggestion I would make is to add a Y connection to
the fuel line from the tank and add second fuel shutoff valve, with hose 
[a

large golf tee in the open end, to stop critters from making nests in the
hose.

On shutdown, after running the carb empty.. put the hose from the Y
connection into a suitable gasoline storage container, and drain the
generator tank. dry..  Again.. no varnish or stale fuel on startup... If
the stored fuel is over 90 days old.. use it in something.. get fresh...

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much cleaner,
almost never experience carb trouble and can go longer between oil 
changes

because of it.
-Curt


  From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

 Meade wrote:

 Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
 or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.

Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
with long term fuel storage!



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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

;)

Wilt

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand 
is best??




I must have stuttered.

I asked for model/year or part number, not the VIN.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On May 12, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Dan wrote
Give me your year/model or a part number. I know what my jobber price 
would
be but the Northwoods guys are probably even cheaper, and they're a 
dealer.


WDBAB93C7FF035664

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


*self leveling system

All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
good/bad experiences with the various brands?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1



Wow, MB of Northlake wants $199 (x2!!) for the real thing now.

Sorry, I can't comment on the current merits of Febi/Bilstein or 
Corteco.

Do be aware that some of the aftermarket units have a reputation for not
being able to last more than a couple of years, I just can't remember 
which.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Land Cruiser reminds me of the top-of-the-line '47 or '48 Studebaker, 
four-door sedan my brother-in-law had.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen


I dunno, I'd kind of like a Land Cruiser. Theres an early '70s one for sale 
nearby. Didn't check but I bet they want big money for it.


-Curt
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen


I still hate them.
On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dimitri - still hate Priuses?



Friends don't let friends drive Piouses (Pi'i) or any other toada.



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Re: [MBZ] 2013 C240

2015-05-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Jamie would probably be the most informed in this group.

77k is almost 40k miles per year.  Must have been a LOT of highway
driving!  I'd like to see full records for all the fluid changes on
schedule (engine and transmission oil).

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703773020 


Look Mom! A Toyota Priapism!
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tqcppjhx--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/blm0rzkxhujhkjkpg9hc.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much cleaner, almost 
never experience carb trouble and can go longer between oil changes because of 
it.
-Curt


  From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig
   
 Meade wrote:
 
 Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
 or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.

Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
with long term fuel storage!



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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
All true... however, propane engines do require more propane to make the
same energy as a gas engine in the same application.. propane simply has
less carbons to burn in the chain..

If you are using a gas fired generator.. do two things on shutdown..
1. Shut the fuel off while the generator is running.. If your generator
does not have a fuel shut off valve.. get one.

2. Run the carb dry of fuel, until the engine shuts it's self off from fuel
starvation.

By doing this.. the amount of damage done to the carb from dried out fuel
varnish is minimized. Most restart issues will be reduced if not eliminated.

It requires only a small effort on shutdown.. which will save, often, huge
efforts on startup.. which usually happen during an emergency of some
sort..

The other survival suggestion I would make is to add a Y connection to
the fuel line from the tank and add second fuel shutoff valve, with hose [a
large golf tee in the open end, to stop critters from making nests in the
hose.

On shutdown, after running the carb empty.. put the hose from the Y
connection into a suitable gasoline storage container, and drain the
generator tank. dry..  Again.. no varnish or stale fuel on startup... If
the stored fuel is over 90 days old.. use it in something.. get fresh...

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much cleaner,
 almost never experience carb trouble and can go longer between oil changes
 because of it.
 -Curt


   From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

  Meade wrote:
 
  Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
  or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.

 Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
 converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
 with long term fuel storage!



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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Like the Japanese game show where contestants sing karaoke while a pretty assistant uhh, 
manipulates their manhood. The facial expressions are pretty hilarious.
-Curt


I looked that up on Youtube.
What followed was a show where four grown men in diapers gave each other enemas.
Talk about cannot be unseen...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The Battery Minder line was recommended by Aviation Consumer magazine a
couple of years ago to keep these expensive aircraft lead acid batteries in
shape for those who don't fly often. I have the model 12112 that I use when
I know the plane won't be flown for more than three weeks. there are
bigger, newer models, but this one seems to do fine.
This seems to be the current model:
http://www.amazon.com/BatteryMINDer-Model-1510-Maintenance-Desulfator/dp/B00Q3CM2QY/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1431465098sr=8-2-fkmr1

I also use the cheap HF float chargers on other batteries, like the lawn
mower and the old extra MB Diesel battery that I kept somehow. I use it to
operate a 12v. winch now - pull the plane in the hangar when I'm tired, or
last use was to load/unload an old (1901) up-right piano on the F150.
I have a couple of solar chargers that we use when a car will be parked in
the sun for awhile.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ‎Craig asks:
 ‎
 Does anyone have experience with the battery maintainers which are
 supposed to keep a battery in good condition during prolonged storage?

 The Battery Tender line of products is good. Not cheap though.


 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Battery+Tender

 Rick




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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

All true.  They also last longer.  Less wear.


I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much 
cleaner, almost never experience carb trouble and can go longer 
between oil changes because of it.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Yeah I put fuel shutoffs on my snowmobiles now. Those are 2 stroke engines so I 
don't run them dry but I burn them down some. If I'm feeling particularly 
enthusiastic I'll dump the carb bowls but combined with a good dose of seafoam 
gas additive I haven't had any trouble for a few years.
-Curt
  From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig
   
All true... however, propane engines do require more propane to make the same 
energy as a gas engine in the same application.. propane simply has less 
carbons to burn in the chain.. 

If you are using a gas fired generator.. do two things on shutdown.. 
1. Shut the fuel off while the generator is running.. If your generator does 
not have a fuel shut off valve.. get one.

2. Run the carb dry of fuel, until the engine shuts it's self off from fuel 
starvation.

By doing this.. the amount of damage done to the carb from dried out fuel 
varnish is minimized. Most restart issues will be reduced if not eliminated.

It requires only a small effort on shutdown.. which will save, often, huge 
efforts on startup.. which usually happen during an emergency of some sort.. 

The other survival suggestion I would make is to add a Y connection to the 
fuel line from the tank and add second fuel shutoff valve, with hose [a large 
golf tee in the open end, to stop critters from making nests in the hose. 

On shutdown, after running the carb empty.. put the hose from the Y 
connection into a suitable gasoline storage container, and drain the generator 
tank. dry..  Again.. no varnish or stale fuel on startup... If the stored fuel 
is over 90 days old.. use it in something.. get fresh... 



On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much cleaner, almost 
never experience carb trouble and can go longer between oil changes because of 
it.
-Curt


      From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

 Meade wrote:

 Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
 or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.

Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
with long term fuel storage!



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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Strangely none of my jalopies has ever had a leaking sunroof. I replaced the 
front seal in my '83 240D because it seemed like the thing to do but not 
because it was leaking. The seal that came out didn't look any worse than the 
one that went in.
I've never used my MB sunroofs a whole lot. I do like the tilt feature on the 
sunroof in my Jetta. Though its raining now and I'd bet Angie didn't close it 
when she went to work.
Guess which car she'll try to leave me with tomorrow? Maybe I should pull the 
negative battery cable off both the other vehicles so she has no choice. :)
-Curt
  From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes
   
'Zackly.

Wilt

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To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes


 OK, so I've got this leaking poorly engineered hole in the roof of my 
 wagon.

 I taped the seams over, let Tropical Storm Ana do her thing, and I'm 
 pretty
 sure the issue is water getting past the sunroof (aka poorly design idea)
 seal.  There was still some water on the floor from earlier rain, but it
 didn't seem to get any worse (the water hides in the seat foundation
 cross-pieces, comes out while driving, so it takes a few days to sop up 
 all
 the water once it has gotten in).

 I'm still suspicious that there may be leaking from drain tube from the
 sunroof down the A-pillar.  At the sunroof end, the material appears to be
 plastic, which may have started to deteriorate after 28 years.

 Is there a way to replace that tube without removing the sunroof assembly?

 I plan to test by feeding water directly down the hole, and then driving
 around to see if any water works out from under the seat, all though it is
 unclear to me how water going down the A-pillar would work back to the
 B-pillar and then under the seat foundation.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 2013 C240

2015-05-12 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Glenn is this in Hendersonville?
On May 12, 2015 4:14 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Any knowledge/experience anyone on the list may have regarding a 2013 C240
 M-B with ~77K mi. which is for sale on a local used car lot here for $9995
 would be greatly appreciated.  TIA.
 G. M. Brown
 Brevard, NC

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
How cheap?

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 These are so stupid cheap from the dealer it's silly (in my opinion) not
 to buy dealer parts.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On May 12, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  To repeat my question, without gratuitous sniping from Curt, if anyone
 has
  experience with either brand of air cell please do comment.
 
  On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  The jury is still out on that but I am impressed at your memory.  Would
  you like to be my biographer?  .Miserable hours, lousy pay, churlish
  subject, great recognition.
 
  On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I'm always surprised with Andrew's willingness to cheap out yet
  insistence on his fine automobiles.
  Don't your fine automobiles deserve good parts? Didn't you already get
  stuck from cheaping out on accumulators once?
  -Curt
   From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
  To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which
  brand is best??
 
 
 
  I don't know why you persist in buying important parts off eBay. It
  will all end in tears.
  -Curt
 
  +1
 
  This is something I'd buy from the stealer.  I used to buy them from
  Q, and those were good.  I think they were febi, but I don't
  remember.  Without Q, I'd buy the ones in the MB box from the
  stealer.  you want quality because you don't want to change them
  often.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
If this is the original Kindle book reader, not the Fire tablet, it should
use a standard micro USB cord, like Curt said. My wife uses hers several
hours every day, reading almost all free books. She will only pay for one
if it's the next in a particularly good series.
The Kindles are great for casual reading, not as good as paper for serious
learning/studying.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My son bought me the original Kindle.  I uploaded a free book - Jack
 London's Fang - but bogged down and then lost the charging cord.  it now
 sits unloved on my desk...




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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla Pwerwall

2015-05-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Now that sounds like a great plan - I'm going to do just that, thanks!

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Sometimes it pay to search Craigslist every week for
 generator subaru|robin|honda|onan|wisconsin|kohler
 and be prepared to grab the bargains that pop up once or twice a year.
 Mitch.




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OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
There's a DOdge Sprinter van on my street but I think it's gas, not diesel.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I think the Sprinter makes a somewhat better chassis for an RV!

 Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
 Thomas via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:57 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Cc: Rich Thomas
 Subject: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen


 http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703
 773020

 --R



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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
As owner of quite a number of vehicles [currently 17], I've become
something of a skilled person in the art of keeping the seldom driven
vehicle operational.

1. Invest in a battery disconnect switch. Harbor Freight sells one that
costs about $7. Put it in the ground cable and when you park the vehicle,
disconnect the ground, thus isolating the battery from any current draw the
vehicle may have. Since you put it in the ground circuit, it makes location
of the switch easier also, no hot lead to deal with. All required to fit
the switch is usually a short ground strap with a lug on each end.. normal
ground cable end is mounted on one lug of the switch, the new cable to the
other, the loose end mounted at the newly vacated ground mount point. All
connections to batteries need to be Clean, Bright, and Tight  [good
protocol].

2. I use the small solar panels to provide 1.5 amp charging current to the
now isolated battery. A good battery [presume you aren't storing a bad
battery, right?] will self discharge at the rate of about .06 volts per
month, starting with a good 12.40 volt fully charged battery. The small
solar panel, mounted in a south facing window, will charge enough to make
up that normal loss. Even on cloudy days, you will get solar energy. Not as
much, but it will average out.. the panel you get should have overcharge
circuitry built in.. it cost a bit more.. but still less than a new
battery. Check and make sure you have proper fluid level in the battery to
start with.

3. A good solar panel will come with quick disconnect pigtails that attach
directly to the battery clamps. So, when you use the vehicle, you will
unplug the solar panel, turn the ground disconnect switch to connect and
execute the stored start checklist for the vehicle.. [ie. prime fuel, etc
etc..]

When you return from the weekend cruise, turn battery disconnect to off,
plug in solar panel, put the car back up on stands.. etc etc..

I chose the solar panel units because the sun always shines [well almost
always] even when the power grid may be down, plus.. I don't like leaving
electrical devices unattended, and they fail in unexpected ways.

Your personal mileage may vary.

Grant...

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ‎Craig asks:
 ‎
 Does anyone have experience with the battery maintainers which are
 supposed to keep a battery in good condition during prolonged storage?

 The Battery Tender line of products is good. Not cheap though.


 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Battery+Tender

 Rick
 Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

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[MBZ] OT - aircraft batteries

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Batteries in B-47's and B-52's were/are 12 volt Ni-Cad with potassium hydroxide 
electrolyte connected in series to provide 24 volts (28 volt charging system).  
I used to lust for one in my '51 and '56 Chevies.

Wilton  
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

*sigh* if you paid any attention you'd know already.
-Curt



Somebody say somthin  'bout a gnat?

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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

I should have RTFM, there is a nice picture (in 77-300 of the 124 FSM) with
the front headliner piece removed showing clear / easy access to the tubes
where they attach to the sunroof- er, poorly designed / engineered hole
frame.  Looks like if I find the need to replace the tubes, the top end can
be accessed without too much fuss.

-
Max
Charleston SC


Yes, it is not hard to pull the sunroof liner and then to remove the 
sunroof if need be.  If you take off the roof, be sure to mark the 
alignment, but I know you will do that.


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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Oh, and skivvies and grabass.  'First time I heard it though, CPO 
brother said his children were playing gra-BAHS.   'Thought I would 
choke.;)


Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes


I'll bet some of you know about the DICNAVAB, the Dictionary of Naval 
Abbreviations.  That's right, there are so many, and the meanings are 
exact, so we had to have our own official written guide to document them. 
Hear or read a new one?  You could look it up!


Imagine my horror at finding that my Army brethren had no such 
organization, and everyone made up their own abbreviations.  One unit 
would have an abbreviation for, let's say a particular piece of uniform 
clothing.  Next unit would have a different abbreviation for that 
clothing, and use the first abbreviation got something else.  Madness!

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 12, 2015 6:15:55 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

BTW, instructors in my many Air Force schools seemed to enjoy saying
RTFQ
or RTFM, each often repeated.

'Bet Max's Navy instructors did, too, - mine never mentioned anything
about
port, starboard, the deck, the head, the bulkhead, the overhead, aye,
aye,
Sir, or any of that Old Salt stuff, though.   ;)

I heard it all from my two, long-time CPO (chief petty officer) and
much
older brothers, instead - always quick to remind me, for example, that
it's
a line, not a rope.

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Grabass: horse-play leads to sickbay!  Even worse, you might be included on the 
binnacle list the next day...

Bravo Zulu: Navy-speak for Attaboy.

Lucky bag: a collection of uniforms/clothing left behind by Sailors who 
transferred of the ship, kept under the control of the Master-at-Arms.


-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 12, 2015 8:17:21 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:
Oh, and skivvies and grabass.  'First time I heard it though, CPO 
brother said his children were playing gra-BAHS.   'Thought I would 
choke.;)

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Sierra Hotel! (S*** Hot) - fighter pilot talk for ATTABOY.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes


Grabass: horse-play leads to sickbay!  Even worse, you might be included 
on the binnacle list the next day...


Bravo Zulu: Navy-speak for Attaboy.

Lucky bag: a collection of uniforms/clothing left behind by Sailors who 
transferred of the ship, kept under the control of the Master-at-Arms.



--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 12, 2015 8:17:21 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Oh, and skivvies and grabass.  'First time I heard it though, CPO
brother said his children were playing gra-BAHS.   'Thought I would
choke.;)

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Camo E320 and silver XJS for Wilton

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


http://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/5016415799.html


On second thought, those aren't Jag mirrors, I think it's an SL.

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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


The $6 ones from Harbor Freight always worked for me, assuming the battery 
started out fully charged and the maintainer hadn't died. Gotta check the LEDs 
every once in a while to make sure it's working.


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[MBZ] Camo E320 and silver XJS for Wilton

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


http://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/5016415799.html

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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Propane or natural gas are both known as dry fuels for the obvious reasons. 
They're far better on an engine due to the lack of fuel dilution and cylinder 
wall washing that occurs with gasoline.

They can and do go longer between oil changes for this reason as well.

No carburetors on these engines - the term for a gas engine is mixer, as 
that's exactly what they are, a Venturi with a metering valve of some sort.  
There are dual fuel setups on small engines that use what's known as a spud in 
valve that is screwed into the main jet drilling which introduces dry fuel 
into the carb rather than gasoline.

The drawback? Dry fuels have lower BTU contents, so an engine that produces 10 
HP on gasoline may only produce 8-9 HP depending on what kind of fuel it is.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On May 12, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much cleaner, almost 
 never experience carb trouble and can go longer between oil changes because 
 of it.
 -Curt
 
 
  From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig
 
 Meade wrote:
 
 Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane,
 or diesel fuel. I'll bet this one is gasoline.
 
 Most gasoline engines - and therefore generators - can be
 converted to run on propane. A bit less power, but no issues
 with long term fuel storage!
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I'll bet some of you know about the DICNAVAB, the Dictionary of Naval 
Abbreviations.  That's right, there are so many, and the meanings are exact, so 
we had to have our own official written guide to document them.  Hear or read a 
new one?  You could look it up!

Imagine my horror at finding that my Army brethren had no such organization, 
and everyone made up their own abbreviations.  One unit would have an 
abbreviation for, let's say a particular piece of uniform clothing.  Next unit 
would have a different abbreviation for that clothing, and use the first 
abbreviation got something else.  Madness!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 12, 2015 6:15:55 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:
BTW, instructors in my many Air Force schools seemed to enjoy saying
RTFQ 
or RTFM, each often repeated.

'Bet Max's Navy instructors did, too, - mine never mentioned anything
about 
port, starboard, the deck, the head, the bulkhead, the overhead, aye,
aye, 
Sir, or any of that Old Salt stuff, though.   ;)

I heard it all from my two, long-time CPO (chief petty officer) and
much 
older brothers, instead - always quick to remind me, for example, that
it's 
a line, not a rope.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 2013 C240

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Both KBB and Fueleconomy.gov agree that there isn't a 2013 C240, they say its a 
C250 if its a 2013. Poking around on Craigslist I can't find a C240 newer than 
2005.
The C250s I see are all 2013 coupes and run in the $30k range...
Somehow I expect what you've seen is a 2003 C240 for which that price is a bit 
high but not out of the ballpark for a really nice example.
-Curt
  From: G. M. Brown via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: G. M. Brown g_010...@hotmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:14 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 2013 C240
   
Any knowledge/experience anyone on the list may have regarding a 2013 C240 M-B 
with ~77K mi. which is for sale on a local used car lot here for $9995 would be 
greatly appreciated.  TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
                         
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Well, it came with the airplane, and hasn't damaged the battery yet . . .
I do remember reading something like that, now that you shared it. Must be
why I don't use it on anything else  :-)

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


 Since your model is an old one, I cannot find if it is an aviation type
 or not.


 Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Just after I wrote my last message I looked outside and saw that the neighbor 
had left her car windows open. This is the neighbor we call the fog horn 
because she loud. I often refer to her as the worthless turd but really she 
gives worthless turds a bad name.
It rained pretty good for a little while and here comes the fog horn What the 
 who left the windows open? well its her car, who did she think left the 
windows open? She sent her useless husband out for something so he had to ride 
on the wet seats. I mention that he's useless since he didn't have the sense to 
close the windows either.The vehicle in question is a late model Toyota Rav4. 
They're hard on cars, about 3 years ago they got a new-ish Toyota Camry but 
managed to ruin it quick, mostly with tricks like leaving the windows open. Her 
uncle buys them new cars since she's got kids...
-Curt
  From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes
   
Leaving hole open during rain - 'nother 'zackly.  ;)

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes


 Strangely none of my jalopies has ever had a leaking sunroof. I replaced 
 the front seal in my '83 240D because it seemed like the thing to do but 
 not because it was leaking. The seal that came out didn't look any worse 
 than the one that went in.
 I've never used my MB sunroofs a whole lot. I do like the tilt feature on 
 the sunroof in my Jetta. Though its raining now and I'd bet Angie didn't 
 close it when she went to work.
 Guess which car she'll try to leave me with tomorrow? Maybe I should pull 
 the negative battery cable off both the other vehicles so she has no 
 choice. :)
 -Curt
      From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

 'Zackly.

 Wilt

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 From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:14 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes


 OK, so I've got this leaking poorly engineered hole in the roof of my
 wagon.

 I taped the seams over, let Tropical Storm Ana do her thing, and I'm
 pretty
 sure the issue is water getting past the sunroof (aka poorly design idea)
 seal. There was still some water on the floor from earlier rain, but it
 didn't seem to get any worse (the water hides in the seat foundation
 cross-pieces, comes out while driving, so it takes a few days to sop up
 all
 the water once it has gotten in).

 I'm still suspicious that there may be leaking from drain tube from the
 sunroof down the A-pillar. At the sunroof end, the material appears to be
 plastic, which may have started to deteriorate after 28 years.

 Is there a way to replace that tube without removing the sunroof 
 assembly?

 I plan to test by feeding water directly down the hole, and then driving
 around to see if any water works out from under the seat, all though it 
 is
 unclear to me how water going down the A-pillar would work back to the
 B-pillar and then under the seat foundation.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Won't Start

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Thanks!

Me, too.  This is my first major dive into the engine systems/electronics on a 
W140, as mine have all been trouble free since I got them up to this point.

I am a bit surprised that the fuel flow was restricted so much by the 
(old/clogged) filter.  It was just coming up to the 30k mark, but I’ve never 
had one restrict flow like that before.

Thank goodness I keep a stock of consumables on the shelf.

Dan




 On May 12, 2015, at 12:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 ATTABOY!  'Glad it's running, and I know it's a bit worrisome to not know 
 'zackly what fixed it.
 
 If it happens again, try just disconnecting battery for coupla minutes first.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:41 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] S500 Won't Start
 
 
 First and foremost, the car is now running.  I'm not exactly sure why.
 
 Here's what I did in order:
 
 1.) Replaced CPS. Car would not start.
 
 2.) Fuel pressure was definitely low. Replaced fuel filter.  Fuel pressure 
 was definitely improved. Car would not start.
 
 3.) Disconneced battery. Removed and replaced fuses in computer module in 
 coffin. Removed and replaced all connectors on EZL.  Reconnected battery.
 
 Car started.
 
 So I'm wondering if there were multiple issues, possibly a bad CPS and a 
 clogged fuel filter. Or - maybe replacing the parts fixed it, but something 
 needed to be reset?
 
 I'm am not complaining in the least, I'm glad it's running. Just trying to 
 figure out what exactly the fix was.
 
 A BIG thank you to everyone who offered help and suggestions!
 
 Dan
 
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[MBZ] OT - A CAROLINA COUNTRY BOOY REMEMBERS - STEDMAN'S STORE

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yep, already.

STEDMAN'S  STORE
By Wilton Strickland

   Late in 1949, several months before my sixteenth birthday, my brother, 
W. B., got me a job as a clerk on Saturdays at Stedman's Grocery Store in 
Nashville.  I was already well-known around our little town as being honest, 
dependable and an outstanding student in all subjects and especially good at 
math.  The job quickly improved my confidence dealing with other people, 
filling orders, making change, etc.  I quickly became very good at it.  For 
example, I could soon slice off a quarter pound of cheese or bologna or a 
half pound of fatback within the penny desired.  I could slice pork chops 
and chop neck bone and ribs with speed and finesse.  I could quickly and 
accurately, without the aid of any calculator, total a long column of 
grocery item costs jotted with pencil on the outside of a brown paper 
grocery bag, often doing it two digits at a time.  In addition to Saturdays, 
I occasionally worked afternoons after school.  'Also worked there during 
Christmas vacation my first year in college and all summer between my first 
and second years.
   This was before supermarkets and customer self-service.  The customer 
would place an order with the clerk for each item desired, often one item at 
a time, and the clerk would pull each item off the shelf, place it on the 
counter between the customer and the clerk, and receive another request from 
the customer.  The job required lots of standing and walking back and forth 
around the store.  My feet and legs hurt terribly at the end of each long 
day in the store.
   Several men often had lunch in a back, partially enclosed area of the 
store while sitting on boxes of canned goods and bags of dried beans around 
the coal-fired heater.  They would usually ask me for 2 or 3 cents' worth of 
bologna or cheese, a couple of cents' worth of crackers and a Coke or Pepsi. 
Occasionally, someone would even ask for a Royal Crown Cola (RC) and a Moon 
Pie.  Usual total bill for the lunch - 10 cents.
   As an example of the differences between present concerns about security 
now and the relaxed attitudes of the late forties/early fifties, I was often 
entrusted with the store's daily deposits - to take a bag of a very 
significant amount of cash to the bank diagonally across the street to be 
deposited and to get change to facilitate the store's daily cash 
transactions.
   Another one of my activities or chores during that time greatly saddens 
me whenever I consider its implications now.  Several of my customers were 
illiterate and on welfare.  Sometimes, they would bring a note from a doctor 
listing what foods or types of foods they should eat.  They'd ask me to read 
the notes for them and to fill an order for them - the stuff listed in the 
notes.  Their welfare checks were never big enough to buy all of the listed 
stuff at one time.  Trying to get them to understand that they should get 
some from each group and not spend all the money on the items at or near the 
top of the list was very frustrating for me.  When paying, they'd hand me 
the welfare check, I'd ask them to make a X for a signature, and I'd sign 
it, By Wilton Strickland.  Only recently have I thought about it and 
realized that, technically, it may not have been legal for me, a teenager, 
to sign for them in that manner.   The age of majority then was 21, but 
everybody at the bank and at the county welfare office a block away knew me 
well and knew that I was only 16, 17 and 18 years old.  Obviously, nobody 
was concerned about it - nobody ever said a word about it to me.
   One Saturday afternoon while working in the store during Christmas 
vacation in December, '52, my first year in college, a beautiful, 
fifteen-year-old girl (fully grown) with shiny, golden yellow (strawberry 
blonde) hair and a fantastic figure and smile came into the store and asked 
me if we had green and red sugar.  I nervously told her we didn't have such 
and was not really familiar with what she was talking about.  She said she 
wanted to sprinkle it on Christmas cookies she was going to make and left. 
I watched her walk to a white Plymouth sitting at the curb and ride away 
with her mom.  Neither of us had any idea that her stroll into the store 
would change both of our lives forever.

   I asked one of the other clerks, a high school student, Who is that?
   Alice Jane McGregor, he told me.
   Where does she live? I asked.
   He told me, and one night a month or so later, I went to her home.  We've 
been married  since February, '57.  We have three fine children and three of 
the finest grandchildren in the world.  Her hair is significantly lighter 
now (white, as mine is, too), but she still has the beautiful figure and 
smile she had when she walked into the store.  (My boyish figure/physique 
has been missing for years, and I weigh significantly more than I did then, 
though not terribly excessive.)
A prominent local farmer, Mr. George 

Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Not on your life. You wanna see that you google it yourself... ;)
-Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen
   
Link?

Sent from my iPad



 On May 12, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Like the Japanese game show where contestants sing karaoke while a pretty 
 assistant uhh, manipulates their manhood. The facial expressions are pretty 
 hilarious.
 -Curt
      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen
 
 It's Japan, where various rules and rationality don't always seem to apply
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 5/12/15 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 Well.. it does set a new standard for both Ugly and Useless .. thus
 should receive a new category in the Darwin Awards... simply because
 anyone in their right mind would consider suicide rather than be seen in
 public owning one..
 
 OTOH... being a Prius.. and being parked at the side of the road.. well..
 there is a certain Needing power plugs however... useless, when tapped
 into a dead battery bank..
 
 Does the designer know that most American cities have laws against urban
 camping? Being tied to the power grid and camping off road does not
 calculate to me.. with a low slung prius.. now overloaded with a camper...
 
 All the wrong engineering decisions.. packaged together... amazing..
 
 Ok.. the anti-nausea meds are kicking in now... I'm better..
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Link?


Lazy.

I found it in one shot on youtube, searched for handjob karaoke

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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Leaving hole open during rain - 'nother 'zackly.   ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes


Strangely none of my jalopies has ever had a leaking sunroof. I replaced 
the front seal in my '83 240D because it seemed like the thing to do but 
not because it was leaking. The seal that came out didn't look any worse 
than the one that went in.
I've never used my MB sunroofs a whole lot. I do like the tilt feature on 
the sunroof in my Jetta. Though its raining now and I'd bet Angie didn't 
close it when she went to work.
Guess which car she'll try to leave me with tomorrow? Maybe I should pull 
the negative battery cable off both the other vehicles so she has no 
choice. :)

-Curt
 From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

'Zackly.

Wilt

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To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes



OK, so I've got this leaking poorly engineered hole in the roof of my
wagon.

I taped the seams over, let Tropical Storm Ana do her thing, and I'm
pretty
sure the issue is water getting past the sunroof (aka poorly design idea)
seal. There was still some water on the floor from earlier rain, but it
didn't seem to get any worse (the water hides in the seat foundation
cross-pieces, comes out while driving, so it takes a few days to sop up
all
the water once it has gotten in).

I'm still suspicious that there may be leaking from drain tube from the
sunroof down the A-pillar. At the sunroof end, the material appears to be
plastic, which may have started to deteriorate after 28 years.

Is there a way to replace that tube without removing the sunroof 
assembly?


I plan to test by feeding water directly down the hole, and then driving
around to see if any water works out from under the seat, all though it 
is

unclear to me how water going down the A-pillar would work back to the
B-pillar and then under the seat foundation.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 12 May 2015 16:13:44 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 The Battery Minder line was recommended by Aviation Consumer magazine
 a couple of years ago to keep these expensive aircraft lead acid
 batteries in shape for those who don't fly often. I have the model
 12112 that I use when I know the plane won't be flown for more than
 three weeks. there are bigger, newer models, but this one seems to do
 fine. This seems to be the current model:
 http://www.amazon.com/BatteryMINDer-Model-1510-Maintenance-Desulfator/dp/B00Q3CM2QY/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1431465098sr=8-2-fkmr1

I was looking on their website last night and ran across
http://www.batteryminders.com/aircraft-battery-chargers, which says,

-
An aviation-specific battery is different than auto or marine types. To
maximize the cranking amps and reserve capacity, while trying to minimize
weight and size, aviation battery manufacturers use a higher specific
gravity (SG) electrolyte in their aviation batteries. This hotter
mix (more H2SO4 [sulfuric acid], less H2O [water]) means it will be
overcharged whenever a non-aviation charger is used. Automotive chargers
are set at a higher output voltage (typically 13.8 -14.6 volts) than
aviation batteries can handle. The voltage settings and charge rates for
aviation BatteryMINDer® models have been chosen after conferring with
leading aviation battery makers in the U.S. We are the only approved
manufacturer of maintenance chargers for use on all Concorde Aviation
batteries.

BatteryMINDer® aviation specific models incorporate a Plug 'n Run
feature, and includes full-time, fully automatic pulsed desulfation
circuitry (not high voltage) designed to safely dissolve sulfation
build-up on the battery's storage plates, restoring lost cranking power,
and extending life. They also feature a temperature compensating sensor
to ensure that batteries can be safely charged and maintained for
extended periods of time in extreme temperatures. Without this type of
temperature sensing, batteries will be under-charged in colder
temperatures, and over-charged in high temperatures.

BatteryMINDer® 12-V models 12248-AA-S2, S3, S5 and 24-V models,
24041-AA-S2, S3, S5 are designed specifically to use on all types and
size Aviation Specific batteries contingent upon the brand and model of
the battery. All Aviation specific BatteryMINDer® models are designed
exclusively for use with either SEALED (AGM-non liquid) or FLOODED
(liquid with filler caps) as manufactured by Concorde, Gill, and EnerSys'
Odyssey and Hawker for use on non-commercial aircraft.
-

Since your model is an old one, I cannot find if it is an aviation type
or not.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
BTW, instructors in my many Air Force schools seemed to enjoy saying RTFQ 
or RTFM, each often repeated.


'Bet Max's Navy instructors did, too, - mine never mentioned anything about 
port, starboard, the deck, the head, the bulkhead, the overhead, aye, aye, 
Sir, or any of that Old Salt stuff, though.   ;)


I heard it all from my two, long-time CPO (chief petty officer) and much 
older brothers, instead - always quick to remind me, for example, that it's 
a line, not a rope.


Wilton

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Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poorly designed / engineered roof holes



I should have RTFM, there is a nice picture (in 77-300 of the 124 FSM) with
the front headliner piece removed showing clear / easy access to the tubes
where they attach to the sunroof- er, poorly designed / engineered hole
frame.  Looks like if I find the need to replace the tubes, the top end 
can

be accessed without too much fuss.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

2015-05-12 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
If I ever saw a Prius broken down on the side of the road, I would NOT offer 
any assistance. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 12, 2015, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Well.. it does set a new standard for both Ugly and Useless .. thus
 should receive a new category in the Darwin Awards... simply because
 anyone in their right mind would consider suicide rather than be seen in
 public owning one..
 
 OTOH... being a Prius.. and being parked at the side of the road.. well..
 there is a certain Needing power plugs however... useless, when tapped
 into a dead battery bank..
 
 Does the designer know that most American cities have laws against urban
 camping? Being tied to the power grid and camping off road does not
 calculate to me.. with a low slung prius.. now overloaded with a camper...
 
 All the wrong engineering decisions.. packaged together... amazing..
 
 Ok.. the anti-nausea meds are kicking in now... I'm better..
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I still hate them.
 On May 12, 2015 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Dimitri - still hate Priuses?
 
 Friends don't let friends drive Piouses (Pi'i) or any other toada.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
The $6 ones from Harbor Freight always worked for me, assuming the 
battery started out fully charged and the maintainer hadn't died. 
Gotta check the LEDs every once in a while to make sure it's working.


Those are what I use.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Looks like Onan generators are sold for gasoline, propane, or diesel fuel.
I'll bet this one is gasoline.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


  http://southbend.craigslist.org/for/5012270047.html

 Interesting. I presume it runs on gasoline. I would be looking for
 something that runs on diesel, since that's what our truck uses.


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Re: [MBZ] generator for Craig

2015-05-12 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
The big advantage of LP is that it doesn't go bad, not in the tank or in the
engine.  Natural gas is way cheaper if available with slightly reduced
power.  LP prices are very volatile but you can stock up when prices are
low.  I consider LP ideal for a standby generator unless you happen to keep
a copious  supply of liquid fuel on hand for some other purpose.  Then there
is the issue of interfacing a generator with the household wiring.   I went
with a 15KV LP unit and one transfer switch that feeds one subpanel which
feeds all the backed-up loads.

 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:43 PM
 
 I've read that gasoline engines operated on propane are much cleaner,
almost
 never experience carb trouble and can go longer between oil changes
because
 of it.
 -Curt



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[MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
*self leveling system

All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
good/bad experiences with the various brands?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My son bought me the original Kindle.  I uploaded a free book - Jack
London's Fang - but bogged down and then lost the charging cord.  it now
sits unloved on my desk...

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Last Friday I detoured through a couple of yard sales on my
 way to work.  Among the booty was a $10 Kindle Touch 3G, complete
 with folder, case, charger.  It was discharged, and could only
 show a sad battery picture on its face.

 I charged it, and found that it worked just fine, it even had
 a few books and games left on it.  I upgraded the firmware to the
 latest, in three stages, and got it registered to my wife's
 Amazon account.  I also had to deploy a newer wifi AP in our
 house, it really wasn't enjoying our old one.

 Anyway, it works great.  I _really_ like the readability of
 that kind of display technology.  The lack of color is not an
 issue for me, I'm a black-and-white kind of guy.  Currently
 I'm re-reading Moby Dick (free!) on it.  Love that book.

 The reason for the new wifi AP (the 3G phone connection
 is otherwise good enough) was so that I could use its web
 browser.  Rudimentary, but it works.

 The other notable score was a Slim Whitman LP, which I have
 been keeping an eye out for since our last Mars Attacks
 watching.  Put smiles on my family's faces when those
 dulcet tones came wafting upstairs from the basement sound
 system!

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I don't know why you persist in buying important parts off eBay. It will all 
end in tears.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:58 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is 
best??
   
*self leveling system

All of a sudden there is a price drop on these.  Has anyone had any
good/bad experiences with the various brands?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_sacat=0_nkw=1233200215_rdc=1
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla Pwerwall

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We've got one of the Champion brand generators. I was thinking at first it was 
a 3k unit but it might be a 5k. We use it at camp to power tools and such. Its 
run the circular saw a lot, pumped water charged tractor batteries, run the 
vacuum cleaner etc. Its really oversized for what we need but its worked out 
really well. When we had an addition added to the came our contractor left his 
contractor grade generator in our garage and I used it a couple times. The only 
things I liked better about his were the electric start and wheels. It was much 
louder than ours which I dislike and considering we've never loaded ours to the 
point where it even kind of bogged down I could probably put an additional 
muffler on it for added sound reduction.
I'd bet my dad didn't pay much for it and its served well.
-Curt
  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla Pwerwall
   
OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
 I did find these two generators on CL that look interesting - -
 
 http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/tls/5016446899.html  for the dual fuel
 and smaller loads.
 
 http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/fod/4978584521.html  for the larger
 loads.

I suspect DuroMax is similar to the Champion/Predator etc stuff at Harbor 
Freight.
Here's a DuroMax the size of the Northern Tool one you mentioned:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Duromax-10-000-Watt-16-HP-Gasoline-Powered-Electric-Start-Portable-Generator-with-Wheel-Kit-XP1E/203729623

That Northern Tool generator seems to say Vanguard on it, which is a 
BriggsStratton model name. The current version costs over $2k and has a Honda 
V-twin in it.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200467367_200467367


Do these look familiar?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Duromax-4-400-Watt-Hybrid-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Powered-Electric-Start-Portable-Generator-with-Wheel-Kit-XP4400EH/203729909
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Duromax-4-850-Watt-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Powered-Electric-Start-Portable-Generator-XP4850EH/205299872

Seriously, if I were in the market, I'd either buy used with Subaru or Honda 
power from a homeowner who only used it during power failures, or I'd get 
something like this, especially if I could find a 30% off coupon, the reviews 
are surprisingly good, including people who run vacation cabins and concession 
trailers and a couple of off grid residents:
http://www.harborfreight.com/8750-peak7000-running-watts-13-hp-420cc-generator-epa-iii-69671.html

Check out this Predator review, it appears those Chinese engines are fairly 
solid these days:
http://www.harborfreight.com/4000-peak3200-running-watts-65-hp-212cc-generator-epa-iii-69729.html
This is my main power source for my house in the winter because i live off grid 
and there is not enough sun for my solar! I have had this generator running 
about 8 hours everyday for the last 3 months for a total of around 720+ hours! 
I 
am writing this review with my generator powering my internet and laptop and 
lights and fridge at this moment! This generator has not failed me! Better then 
my Northstar/Briggs and stratton! oh and its quieter as well!



BTW, I just bought yet another 5kw generator Saturday.
This one is a contractor grade Subaru/Robin, about 12 years old.
Bought it from original owner, just a homeowner using it for backup power, so 
it 
hasn't seen much use for a commercial style generator. Has a nice brushless 
generator head.
I suspect the $250 I paid him was about 10% of what he paid.
Sometimes it pay to search Craigslist every week for
generator subaru|robin|honda|onan|wisconsin|kohler
and be prepared to grab the bargains that pop up once or twice a year.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Battery Maintainers

2015-05-12 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Craig asks:
‎
Does anyone have experience with the battery maintainers which are
supposed to keep a battery in good condition during prolonged storage?

The Battery Tender line of products is good. Not cheap though. 

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Battery+Tender

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The Kindle fire tablets use a standard micro USB. What kind of port does your 
Kindle have?
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kindle revived
   
My son bought me the original Kindle.  I uploaded a free book - Jack
London's Fang - but bogged down and then lost the charging cord.  it now
sits unloved on my desk...

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Last Friday I detoured through a couple of yard sales on my
 way to work.  Among the booty was a $10 Kindle Touch 3G, complete
 with folder, case, charger.  It was discharged, and could only
 show a sad battery picture on its face.

 I charged it, and found that it worked just fine, it even had
 a few books and games left on it.  I upgraded the firmware to the
 latest, in three stages, and got it registered to my wife's
 Amazon account.  I also had to deploy a newer wifi AP in our
 house, it really wasn't enjoying our old one.

 Anyway, it works great.  I _really_ like the readability of
 that kind of display technology.  The lack of color is not an
 issue for me, I'm a black-and-white kind of guy.  Currently
 I'm re-reading Moby Dick (free!) on it.  Love that book.

 The reason for the new wifi AP (the 3G phone connection
 is otherwise good enough) was so that I could use its web
 browser.  Rudimentary, but it works.

 The other notable score was a Slim Whitman LP, which I have
 been keeping an eye out for since our last Mars Attacks
 watching.  Put smiles on my family's faces when those
 dulcet tones came wafting upstairs from the basement sound
 system!

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I don't know why you persist in buying important parts off eBay. It 
will all end in tears.

-Curt


+1

This is something I'd buy from the stealer.  I used to buy them from 
Q, and those were good.  I think they were febi, but I don't 
remember.  Without Q, I'd buy the ones in the MB box from the 
stealer.  you want quality because you don't want to change them 
often.


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Re: [MBZ] Camo E320 and silver XJS for Wilton

2015-05-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Yeah an XJS top is more rounded in the back.  Fugly rims though 
whichever it is


--R



On 5/12/15 6:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


http://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/5016415799.html


On second thought, those aren't Jag mirrors, I think it's an SL.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tablet revived

2015-05-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
You should write up a detailed process with all the steps and files and 
whatnot.


Are those things available cheap?  I was thinking to get some cheap 
tablet for the kitchen to use for recipes and such and to act as a 
remote viewer for a door cam using an old Android phone.  My cousin had 
some app running on an old phone that streamed video you could then 
watch off some web site, or maybe directly, I can't remember, but he 
used it for a security camera and could watch it on his ifone.  I see 
the crap 7 units for $50 or less but sounds like this thing would be 
bigger and better when rooted.


--R



On 5/11/15 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

A couple years ago I got a Nook Color HD+ tablet from Barnes and Noble. I'd had 
a first generation Kindle Fire which was okay but kind of small, didn't have 
external volume controls and didn't have much storage or an SD card slot.
The Nook has always been a disappointment to me. It wasn't much faster than the Kindle 
Fire even though on paper it ought to be. Finally it got to the point that it was barely 
usable and I had enough. Unfortunately 9 tablets are kind of expensive, the low end 
market is only really in the 7 units.
In the past I'd looked at rooting the tablet, that is establishing root user so I 
could put whatever OS I wanted on it. I was hoping that the problem was the 
horrible implementation of Android that BN had used. Turns out I was right. 
Right now its running Cyanomod 10.2.1 which equates to Android 4.3.1 which isn't 
the newest version but isn't terribly old. Its also the base version with no extra 
crap loaded in. Its SUPER fast and reports that I have around twice the available 
RAM that before which has to be why.
Its not for the faint of heart, it took me probably 6 hours today, messing 
around downloading files and reading how-tos. If I were to do it again I'd 
spend a day or two figuring out HOW exactly to do it before I gave it a try. 
Still a lot better than $400 for a new tablet.
-Curt
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[MBZ] OT: Kindle revived

2015-05-12 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Last Friday I detoured through a couple of yard sales on my
way to work.  Among the booty was a $10 Kindle Touch 3G, complete
with folder, case, charger.  It was discharged, and could only
show a sad battery picture on its face.

I charged it, and found that it worked just fine, it even had
a few books and games left on it.  I upgraded the firmware to the
latest, in three stages, and got it registered to my wife's
Amazon account.  I also had to deploy a newer wifi AP in our
house, it really wasn't enjoying our old one.

Anyway, it works great.  I _really_ like the readability of
that kind of display technology.  The lack of color is not an
issue for me, I'm a black-and-white kind of guy.  Currently
I'm re-reading Moby Dick (free!) on it.  Love that book.

The reason for the new wifi AP (the 3G phone connection
is otherwise good enough) was so that I could use its web
browser.  Rudimentary, but it works.

The other notable score was a Slim Whitman LP, which I have
been keeping an eye out for since our last Mars Attacks
watching.  Put smiles on my family's faces when those
dulcet tones came wafting upstairs from the basement sound
system!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Camo E320 and silver XJS for Wilton

2015-05-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Oh, yeah, that's a really desirable color - country roof fly-by-night 
silver - 'reminds me of my youth.


Wilt

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 6:49 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Camo E320 and silver XJS for Wilton




http://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/5016415799.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tablet revived

2015-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Looks like the 32GB version runs about $125 on eBay. They've been out of 
production for a year or two (guess I've had mine 3 years) so they're harder to 
find.
Now that I know which set of instructions to follow I don't need to do a write 
up: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317500
So far I'm finding mod 10.2.1 to be excellent. 11 might be a little better but 
I'm well pleased with what I've got.
A GoPro camera can be setup with wifi for a confidence monitor although I'm 
sure there are cheaper solutions.
-Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Tablet revived
   
You should write up a detailed process with all the steps and files and 
whatnot.

Are those things available cheap?  I was thinking to get some cheap 
tablet for the kitchen to use for recipes and such and to act as a 
remote viewer for a door cam using an old Android phone.  My cousin had 
some app running on an old phone that streamed video you could then 
watch off some web site, or maybe directly, I can't remember, but he 
used it for a security camera and could watch it on his ifone.  I see 
the crap 7 units for $50 or less but sounds like this thing would be 
bigger and better when rooted.

--R



On 5/11/15 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 A couple years ago I got a Nook Color HD+ tablet from Barnes and Noble. I'd 
 had a first generation Kindle Fire which was okay but kind of small, didn't 
 have external volume controls and didn't have much storage or an SD card slot.
 The Nook has always been a disappointment to me. It wasn't much faster than 
 the Kindle Fire even though on paper it ought to be. Finally it got to the 
 point that it was barely usable and I had enough. Unfortunately 9 tablets 
 are kind of expensive, the low end market is only really in the 7 units.
 In the past I'd looked at rooting the tablet, that is establishing root user 
 so I could put whatever OS I wanted on it. I was hoping that the problem was 
 the horrible implementation of Android that BN had used. Turns out I was 
 right. Right now its running Cyanomod 10.2.1 which equates to Android 4.3.1 
 which isn't the newest version but isn't terribly old. Its also the base 
 version with no extra crap loaded in. Its SUPER fast and reports that I have 
 around twice the available RAM that before which has to be why.
 Its not for the faint of heart, it took me probably 6 hours today, messing 
 around downloading files and reading how-tos. If I were to do it again I'd 
 spend a day or two figuring out HOW exactly to do it before I gave it a try. 
 Still a lot better than $400 for a new tablet.
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
To repeat my question, without gratuitous sniping from Curt, if anyone has
experience with either brand of air cell please do comment.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The jury is still out on that but I am impressed at your memory.  Would
 you like to be my biographer?  .Miserable hours, lousy pay, churlish
 subject, great recognition.

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I'm always surprised with Andrew's willingness to cheap out yet
 insistence on his fine automobiles.
 Don't your fine automobiles deserve good parts? Didn't you already get
 stuck from cheaping out on accumulators once?
 -Curt
   From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
  To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which
 brand is best??



 I don't know why you persist in buying important parts off eBay. It
 will all end in tears.
 -Curt

 +1

 This is something I'd buy from the stealer.  I used to buy them from
 Q, and those were good.  I think they were febi, but I don't
 remember.  Without Q, I'd buy the ones in the MB box from the
 stealer.  you want quality because you don't want to change them
 often.



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Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which brand is best??

2015-05-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The jury is still out on that but I am impressed at your memory.  Would you
like to be my biographer?  .Miserable hours, lousy pay, churlish subject,
great recognition.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I'm always surprised with Andrew's willingness to cheap out yet insistence
 on his fine automobiles.
 Don't your fine automobiles deserve good parts? Didn't you already get
 stuck from cheaping out on accumulators once?
 -Curt
   From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
  To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap N2 accumulators for my 300TD SLS* - but which
 brand is best??



 I don't know why you persist in buying important parts off eBay. It
 will all end in tears.
 -Curt

 +1

 This is something I'd buy from the stealer.  I used to buy them from
 Q, and those were good.  I think they were febi, but I don't
 remember.  Without Q, I'd buy the ones in the MB box from the
 stealer.  you want quality because you don't want to change them
 often.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tablet revived

2015-05-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You don't need a write up. The Cyanogen guys have done it already for almost 
every device imaginable.  That's one of the things that makes it great - they 
have already blazed the trail, and made it super easy to root stuff.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On May 12, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 You should write up a detailed process with all the steps and files and 
 whatnot.
 
 Are those things available cheap?  I was thinking to get some cheap tablet 
 for the kitchen to use for recipes and such and to act as a remote viewer for 
 a door cam using an old Android phone.  My cousin had some app running on an 
 old phone that streamed video you could then watch off some web site, or 
 maybe directly, I can't remember, but he used it for a security camera and 
 could watch it on his ifone.  I see the crap 7 units for $50 or less but 
 sounds like this thing would be bigger and better when rooted.
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 5/11/15 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 A couple years ago I got a Nook Color HD+ tablet from Barnes and Noble. I'd 
 had a first generation Kindle Fire which was okay but kind of small, didn't 
 have external volume controls and didn't have much storage or an SD card 
 slot.
 The Nook has always been a disappointment to me. It wasn't much faster than 
 the Kindle Fire even though on paper it ought to be. Finally it got to the 
 point that it was barely usable and I had enough. Unfortunately 9 tablets 
 are kind of expensive, the low end market is only really in the 7 units.
 In the past I'd looked at rooting the tablet, that is establishing root user 
 so I could put whatever OS I wanted on it. I was hoping that the problem was 
 the horrible implementation of Android that BN had used. Turns out I was 
 right. Right now its running Cyanomod 10.2.1 which equates to Android 4.3.1 
 which isn't the newest version but isn't terribly old. Its also the base 
 version with no extra crap loaded in. Its SUPER fast and reports that I have 
 around twice the available RAM that before which has to be why.
 Its not for the faint of heart, it took me probably 6 hours today, messing 
 around downloading files and reading how-tos. If I were to do it again I'd 
 spend a day or two figuring out HOW exactly to do it before I gave it a try. 
 Still a lot better than $400 for a new tablet.
 -Curt
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