Re: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming

2015-08-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Painting urban rooftops white has a very real benefit, if carried out in a
systematic and coordinated way.  Start with new buildings, then retrofit in
stages.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I agree!  How about a government research grant to develop a green
 alternative, implement the solution(s) in some target cities and compare vs
 a control group to see if the urban heat island condition can be reduced...
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On August 20, 2015 8:12:32 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 I think blacktop paving contributes to GW.  I think this every time I
 cross a parking lot in summer.  We should rip it all up, especially in
 cities where there is so much of it.
 
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  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
  Meade Dillon via Mercedes
  Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 4:26 PM
  To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
  Subject: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming
 
  A little something to liven up the list!
 
 
 
 http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/08/20/the_latest_climate_kerfuffl
  e_1397.html
 
  August 20, 2015The Latest Climate Kerfuffle*By* *Patrick Michaels*
  http://www.realclearpolicy.com/authors/patrick_michaels/
 
  Are political considerations superseding scientific ones at the
 National
  Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?
 
  When confronted with an obviously broken weather station that was
 reading
  way too hot, they replaced the faulty sensor — but refused to adjust
 the bad
  readings it had already taken. And when dealing with the pause in
 global
  surface temperatures that is in its 19th year, the agency threw away
 satellite-
  sensed sea-surface temperatures, substituting questionable data that
 showed
  no pause.
 
  The latest kerfuffle is local, not global, but happens to involve
 probably the
  most politically important weather station in the nation, the one at
  Washington's Reagan National Airport.
 
  I'll take credit for this one. I casually noticed that the monthly
 average
  temperatures at National were departing from their 1981-2010 averages
 a
  couple of degrees relative to those at Dulles — in the warm
 direction.
 
  Temperatures at National are almost always higher than those at
 Dulles, 19
  miles away. That's because of the well-known urban warming effect, as
 well as
  an elevation difference of 300 feet. But the weather systems that
 determine
  monthly average temperature are, in general, far too large for there
 to be any
  significant difference in the *departure from average* at two
 stations as close
  together as Reagan and Dulles. Monthly data from recent decades bear
 this
  out — until, all at once, in January 2014 and every month thereafter,
 the
  departure from average at National was greater than that at Dulles.
 
  The average monthly difference for January 2014 through July 2015 is
 2.1
  degrees Fahrenheit, which is huge when talking about things like
 record
  temperatures. For example, National's all-time record last May was
 only 0.2
  degrees above the previous record.
 
  Earlier this month, I sent my findings to Jason Samenow, a terrific
 forecaster
  who runs the *Washington Post*'s weather blog, Capital Weather Gang.
 He
  and his crew verified what I found and wrote up their version, giving
 due credit
  and adding other evidence that something was very wrong at National.
 And, in
  remarkably quick action for a government agency, the National Weather
  Service swapped out the sensor within a week and found that the old
 one was
  reading 1.7 degrees too high. Close enough to 2.1, the observed
 difference.
 
  But the National Weather Service told the Capital Weather Gang that
 there
  will be no corrections, despite the fact that the disparity suddenly
 began
  19 months ago and varied little once it began. It said correcting for
 the error
  wouldn't be scientifically defensible. Therefore, people can and
 will cite the
  May record as evidence for dreaded global warming with impunity. Only
 a few
  weather nerds will know the truth. Over a third of this year's 37
 90-degree-plus
  days, which gives us a remote chance of breaking the all time record,
 should
  also be eliminated, putting this summer rightly back into normal
 territory.
 
  It is really politically unwise not to do a simple adjustment on
 these obviously-
  too-hot data. With all of the claims that federal science is being
 biased in
  service of the president's global-warming agenda, the agency should
 bend
  over backwards to expunge erroneous record-high readings.
 
  In July, by contrast, NOAA had no problem adjusting the global
 temperature
  history. In that case, the method they used *guaranteed* that a
 growing
  warming trend would substitute for the pause. They reported in
 *Science
  *that they had replaced the pause (which 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Harbor Freight Tools Huge Parking Lot Sale

2015-08-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Craig inquires:

I noticed all the coupons are in color. My printer, however, is black and
white. Will HF honor coupons printed in greyscale?

Yes! 
As long as the number (or barcode) is legible. ‎I generally have the coupon on 
the screen of my phone and they scan that, or key in the code on the register. 

Rick 
Who just came to the realization I am one cheap bast*rd. 

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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-08-20 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Is it the craftsmanship or materials that changed for post-1955 
clarinets?  Country of manufacture?  Automation vs. hands on 
manufacturing process?  Metric vs. English?  ;)


As I just mentioned, the design was changed to no longer be
purely cylindrical.  Nothing else changed.  All are (were) handmade
in France, from the finest wood available.  The base instrument was
invented in France, in 1630, which puts it over a century before
the introduction of the metric system; your guess is as good
as mine regarding the units of the dimensions!

I have heard one opinion that the _sound_ of the older ones is
better, but the _intonation_ of the newer ones is better.
Translation: easier to play in tune.

Honey, I bought you the best-sounding clarinet available!
(It even says so on the sash that's inside the case.  So it
must be true!)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Harbor Freight Tools Huge Parking Lot Sale

2015-08-20 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes



Rick
Who just came to the realization I am one cheap bast*rd.


I have a set of snappy wrenches.  They are bright and shiny, and it 
seems everyone would love to lift them.   Therefore, I guard them, 
and keep them hidden, and hardly ever use them.


years ago I bought crapsman wrenches and craftsman sockets.  They 
were all stolen.  Only the sockets (made by williams) were any good.


I have purchased geodre tools that are virtually identical to 
german, but cheap, and lots of imported tools from taiwan and now 
china.


The ones I use are pretty much all cheap ones.  The HF tools work 
just fine, and they are good value.


Funny thing is:  nobody steals the cheap ones.

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Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?

2015-08-20 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

It lost the rear swing axels?


Close!  It [Buffet clarinet] gained a polycylindrical bore in 1955.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming

2015-08-20 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Max wrote:
 A little something to liven up the list!

It ain't good to find bad things that nobody can do something about.
Can Jimmy solve his cancer?
Can we make the globe cooler?
Can elections change USA goobermnt?
Why bother talking about unsolvables?
Maybe I should talk about the rusted 240D I used to have that is now a
toaster oven - so what.
Nice information but nothing is gonna happen and nothing that can
happen will happen.
Cynical - yes!!
Hopeful - yes!!
But not on soo many issues in media these days.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Zackly.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack


Well, I'm about to list a 85 300CD with similar mileage for a similar 
price.


But its sorted, has working AC, was dealer serviced, and is overall very
unmolested.

Demanding good money is fine, as long as the car backs up the price.

Jaime


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:




1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5181050900.html

via cPro Craigslist App
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Maybe Mao can find and deliver, Jaime fix and sell?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 20, 2015 9:44:54 PM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Jaime could quit his real job and make a living buying cars here for
25% of what he says he sells them for and ship them up there and sell
them.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Yes,and it is regional markets. Kaleb prices don't apply here in the
 northeast for a lot of objective  reasons. Two years,ago when the
tree fell
 on my 82 300CD ins co. Valued it at 13400  fixed it accordingly.
Also here
 in NE hard to find a decent w123 280CE for less  than 10k.
 On Aug 20, 2015 6:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Well, I'm about to list a 85 300CD with similar mileage for a
similar
 price.
 
 But its sorted, has working AC, was dealer serviced, and is overall
very
 unmolested.
 
 Demanding good money is fine, as long as the car backs up the price.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD
 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5181050900.html
 
 via cPro Craigslist App
 iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
 Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Jaime could quit his real job and make a living buying cars here for 25% of 
what he says he sells them for and ship them up there and sell them.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Yes,and it is regional markets. Kaleb prices don't apply here in the
 northeast for a lot of objective  reasons. Two years,ago when the tree fell
 on my 82 300CD ins co. Valued it at 13400  fixed it accordingly. Also here
 in NE hard to find a decent w123 280CE for less  than 10k.
 On Aug 20, 2015 6:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Well, I'm about to list a 85 300CD with similar mileage for a similar
 price.
 
 But its sorted, has working AC, was dealer serviced, and is overall very
 unmolested.
 
 Demanding good money is fine, as long as the car backs up the price.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD
 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5181050900.html
 
 via cPro Craigslist App
 iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
 Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Lowest gas prices in the USA

2015-08-20 Thread clay via Mercedes
$3.30 on the street for unleaded

Costco premium is $3.09

seattle

clay

On Aug 10, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

 $2.00.9 for regulah at Costco, $2.57.9 for premium  What's that about?
 
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[MBZ] OT: Harbor Freight Tools Huge Parking Lot Sale

2015-08-20 Thread Craig via Mercedes
In case anyone is interested:

http://www.harborfreight.com/

LARGEST SALE EVER
SHOP ONLINE  IN-STORE!
3 DAYS ONLY! * FRI, SAT, SUN * AUG 21, 22  23

LIQUIDATION SALE
HUNDREDS OF FACTORY DISCONTINUED, CLEARANCE ITEMS
FRIDAY   50%
SATURDAY 60%
SUNDAY   87%


I'm going to look for a 50' air hose to make into a tire inflator.
I've never been to one of these things (well, maybe once), so it
should be interesting ...

I've ordered the fittings, air chuck, and tire pressure gauge from Amazon
(Milton Industries brand) because I want those to be first quality.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?

2015-08-20 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
1968 saw the introduction of the new sedans -- ball joints and  
double joint rear axles instead of the 1952 king pin front end and  
swing axles in the back (and they DO jack, just like a Corvair, but  
they don't flip the car over.


Included were anti-dive front end geometry and greatly reduce front  
pivot axis offset.


Greatly improved handling -- I have had both styles and greatly prefer  
the new one.  Only real difficulty is that it's possible to force  
the outside front tire off the rim in extreme cornering, a habit cured  
by a lighter rear anti-sway bar the rear in the W123 and W116 chassis.


1968 was also the introduction year for electronic fuel injection, a  
vast improvement over the mechanical and carbs.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming

2015-08-20 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I think blacktop paving contributes to GW.  I think this every time I cross a 
parking lot in summer.  We should rip it all up, especially in cities where 
there is so much of it.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 4:26 PM
 To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 Subject: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming
 
 A little something to liven up the list!
 
 http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/08/20/the_latest_climate_kerfuffl
 e_1397.html
 
 August 20, 2015The Latest Climate Kerfuffle*By* *Patrick Michaels*
 http://www.realclearpolicy.com/authors/patrick_michaels/
 
 Are political considerations superseding scientific ones at the National
 Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?
 
 When confronted with an obviously broken weather station that was reading
 way too hot, they replaced the faulty sensor — but refused to adjust the bad
 readings it had already taken. And when dealing with the pause in global
 surface temperatures that is in its 19th year, the agency threw away 
 satellite-
 sensed sea-surface temperatures, substituting questionable data that showed
 no pause.
 
 The latest kerfuffle is local, not global, but happens to involve probably the
 most politically important weather station in the nation, the one at
 Washington's Reagan National Airport.
 
 I'll take credit for this one. I casually noticed that the monthly average
 temperatures at National were departing from their 1981-2010 averages a
 couple of degrees relative to those at Dulles — in the warm direction.
 
 Temperatures at National are almost always higher than those at Dulles, 19
 miles away. That's because of the well-known urban warming effect, as well as
 an elevation difference of 300 feet. But the weather systems that determine
 monthly average temperature are, in general, far too large for there to be any
 significant difference in the *departure from average* at two stations as 
 close
 together as Reagan and Dulles. Monthly data from recent decades bear this
 out — until, all at once, in January 2014 and every month thereafter, the
 departure from average at National was greater than that at Dulles.
 
 The average monthly difference for January 2014 through July 2015 is 2.1
 degrees Fahrenheit, which is huge when talking about things like record
 temperatures. For example, National's all-time record last May was only 0.2
 degrees above the previous record.
 
 Earlier this month, I sent my findings to Jason Samenow, a terrific forecaster
 who runs the *Washington Post*'s weather blog, Capital Weather Gang. He
 and his crew verified what I found and wrote up their version, giving due 
 credit
 and adding other evidence that something was very wrong at National. And, in
 remarkably quick action for a government agency, the National Weather
 Service swapped out the sensor within a week and found that the old one was
 reading 1.7 degrees too high. Close enough to 2.1, the observed difference.
 
 But the National Weather Service told the Capital Weather Gang that there
 will be no corrections, despite the fact that the disparity suddenly began
 19 months ago and varied little once it began. It said correcting for the 
 error
 wouldn't be scientifically defensible. Therefore, people can and will cite 
 the
 May record as evidence for dreaded global warming with impunity. Only a few
 weather nerds will know the truth. Over a third of this year's 37 
 90-degree-plus
 days, which gives us a remote chance of breaking the all time record, should
 also be eliminated, putting this summer rightly back into normal territory.
 
 It is really politically unwise not to do a simple adjustment on these 
 obviously-
 too-hot data. With all of the claims that federal science is being biased in
 service of the president's global-warming agenda, the agency should bend
 over backwards to expunge erroneous record-high readings.
 
 In July, by contrast, NOAA had no problem adjusting the global temperature
 history. In that case, the method they used *guaranteed* that a growing
 warming trend would substitute for the pause. They reported in *Science
 *that they had replaced the pause (which shows up in every analysis of
 satellite and weather balloon data) with a significant warming trend.
 
 Normative science says a trend is statistically significant if there's less 
 than a
 5 percent probability that it would happen by chance. NOAA claimed
 significance at the 10 percent level, something no graduate student could ever
 get away with. There were several other major problems with the paper. As
 Judy Curry, a noted climate scientist at Georgia Tech, wrote, color me
 'unconvinced.'
 
 Unfortunately, following this with the kerfuffle over the Reagan temperature
 records is only going to convince even more people that our government is
 blowing hot air on global warming.
 
 *Patrick 

Re: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming

2015-08-20 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I agree!  How about a government research grant to develop a green alternative, 
implement the solution(s) in some target cities and compare vs a control group 
to see if the urban heat island condition can be reduced...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 20, 2015 8:12:32 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
I think blacktop paving contributes to GW.  I think this every time I
cross a parking lot in summer.  We should rip it all up, especially in
cities where there is so much of it.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 4:26 PM
 To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 Subject: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming
 
 A little something to liven up the list!
 

http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/08/20/the_latest_climate_kerfuffl
 e_1397.html
 
 August 20, 2015The Latest Climate Kerfuffle*By* *Patrick Michaels*
 http://www.realclearpolicy.com/authors/patrick_michaels/
 
 Are political considerations superseding scientific ones at the
National
 Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?
 
 When confronted with an obviously broken weather station that was
reading
 way too hot, they replaced the faulty sensor — but refused to adjust
the bad
 readings it had already taken. And when dealing with the pause in
global
 surface temperatures that is in its 19th year, the agency threw away
satellite-
 sensed sea-surface temperatures, substituting questionable data that
showed
 no pause.
 
 The latest kerfuffle is local, not global, but happens to involve
probably the
 most politically important weather station in the nation, the one at
 Washington's Reagan National Airport.
 
 I'll take credit for this one. I casually noticed that the monthly
average
 temperatures at National were departing from their 1981-2010 averages
a
 couple of degrees relative to those at Dulles — in the warm
direction.
 
 Temperatures at National are almost always higher than those at
Dulles, 19
 miles away. That's because of the well-known urban warming effect, as
well as
 an elevation difference of 300 feet. But the weather systems that
determine
 monthly average temperature are, in general, far too large for there
to be any
 significant difference in the *departure from average* at two
stations as close
 together as Reagan and Dulles. Monthly data from recent decades bear
this
 out — until, all at once, in January 2014 and every month thereafter,
the
 departure from average at National was greater than that at Dulles.
 
 The average monthly difference for January 2014 through July 2015 is
2.1
 degrees Fahrenheit, which is huge when talking about things like
record
 temperatures. For example, National's all-time record last May was
only 0.2
 degrees above the previous record.
 
 Earlier this month, I sent my findings to Jason Samenow, a terrific
forecaster
 who runs the *Washington Post*'s weather blog, Capital Weather Gang.
He
 and his crew verified what I found and wrote up their version, giving
due credit
 and adding other evidence that something was very wrong at National.
And, in
 remarkably quick action for a government agency, the National Weather
 Service swapped out the sensor within a week and found that the old
one was
 reading 1.7 degrees too high. Close enough to 2.1, the observed
difference.
 
 But the National Weather Service told the Capital Weather Gang that
there
 will be no corrections, despite the fact that the disparity suddenly
began
 19 months ago and varied little once it began. It said correcting for
the error
 wouldn't be scientifically defensible. Therefore, people can and
will cite the
 May record as evidence for dreaded global warming with impunity. Only
a few
 weather nerds will know the truth. Over a third of this year's 37
90-degree-plus
 days, which gives us a remote chance of breaking the all time record,
should
 also be eliminated, putting this summer rightly back into normal
territory.
 
 It is really politically unwise not to do a simple adjustment on
these obviously-
 too-hot data. With all of the claims that federal science is being
biased in
 service of the president's global-warming agenda, the agency should
bend
 over backwards to expunge erroneous record-high readings.
 
 In July, by contrast, NOAA had no problem adjusting the global
temperature
 history. In that case, the method they used *guaranteed* that a
growing
 warming trend would substitute for the pause. They reported in
*Science
 *that they had replaced the pause (which shows up in every analysis
of
 satellite and weather balloon data) with a significant warming trend.
 
 Normative science says a trend is statistically significant if
there's less than a
 5 percent probability that it would happen by chance. NOAA claimed
 significance at the 10 percent level, something no graduate student
could ever
 get away with. There were 

Re: [MBZ] Lowest gas prices in the USA

2015-08-20 Thread clay via Mercedes
Washington State just upped the tax on fuel by $0.17/gal.  This will help with 
all the electric cars and  Priapus cars on the road.  National price of fuel 
drops, but we pay $0.20 more per gallon.  



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Aug 10, 2015, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

 CAMARILLO, Calif. (AP) — The average price of gasoline has dropped 11 cents
 over the past two weeks to $2.71 a gallon.
 
 Industry analyst Trilby Lundberg said Sunday that the current average sits
 81 cents below the year-ago price.
 
 The cheapest price recorded in the continental United States was $2.19 a
 gallon in Charleston, South Carolina.
 
 The highest was $3.80 a gallon in Los Angeles. California saw a 21-cent
 price drop over the past two weeks — following a huge spike caused by a
 brief supply shortage. Lundberg says supplies are flowing again and pump
 prices are poised to drop further in the Golden State.
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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes,and it is regional markets. Kaleb prices don't apply here in the
northeast for a lot of objective  reasons. Two years,ago when the tree fell
on my 82 300CD ins co. Valued it at 13400  fixed it accordingly. Also here
in NE hard to find a decent w123 280CE for less  than 10k.
On Aug 20, 2015 6:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Well, I'm about to list a 85 300CD with similar mileage for a similar
 price.

 But its sorted, has working AC, was dealer serviced, and is overall very
 unmolested.

 Demanding good money is fine, as long as the car backs up the price.

 Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

2015-08-20 Thread clay via Mercedes
WE are all going to be replaced by machines unless we can make handicraft or 
custom type things.

I was reading up on how netflix has lost 75% of their DVD customer base.  To be 
able to keep DVD profitable, they have replaced 80% of the staff that processed 
the DVDs with machines that now open envelope, check disk, clean it, stuff it 
into a new envelope, address and ship, or put it back into inventory.

clay


On Aug 9, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later 
 pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at 
 Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements. They point out that the 
 robot maintainers will make much more than minimum wage and I point out that 
 ex-burger flippers will not be robot maintainers.
 -Curt
  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com 
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car
 
 
 
 On August 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Would have been fun if the craft pulled up at a McDonald's and the pilot
 stepped out, dressed in his Micky D outfit for his day job flipping burgers.
 
 We'll have robotic burger flippers by then. 
 I've already seen soft drink robots at a McD's
 
 Mitch. 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Golf speedo

2015-08-20 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Not where  Curt lives- that's  the land of real men who fish  hunt.
On Aug 20, 2015 10:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 I was thinking the same thing... We see that sort of stuff down here all
 the time. Ugh!

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On Aug 20, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I thought this was about some fat pasty white European guy wearing a
 Speedo while golfing.
 
  NEED BRAIN BLEACH
 
  --R
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Hey Roger - are 300TDs in great demand down there?

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Bzzt, wrong

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:00 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Gee, you guys are just too cheap!  In the Atlanta area, a car like this
 would go for around $7500, if he charges the AC and gets it working.  In my
 area, the prices of these old 617 cars (116, 126, 123) have been going up.
 I think the survivor crowd is buying them up.  Remember the old expression,
 there's no such thing as a cheap Mercedes.  I see you guys write about
 buying cheap cars and then spending boatloads of time and parts making
 them work good.  But your time doesn't cost anything, it's only the parts
 prices, right?  Anyway, keep buying cheap, the Chinese parts industry
 needs your money :-)
  Best Wishes,
  Roger
  Roger Hale
  Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
  Monroe, Ga.
  770-267-0850
  www.dinnerwareclassics.com  (new)
  www.southernnightsantiques.com  (antique)
 
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Re: [MBZ] Golf speedo

2015-08-20 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I was thinking the same thing... We see that sort of stuff down here all the 
time. Ugh!

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 20, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I thought this was about some fat pasty white European guy wearing a Speedo 
 while golfing.
 
 NEED BRAIN BLEACH
 
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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
Gee, you guys are just too cheap!  In the Atlanta area, a car like this would 
go for around $7500, if he charges the AC and gets it working.  In my area, the 
prices of these old 617 cars (116, 126, 123) have been going up.  I think the 
survivor crowd is buying them up.  Remember the old expression, there's no 
such thing as a cheap Mercedes.  I see you guys write about buying cheap 
cars and then spending boatloads of time and parts making them work good.  
But your time doesn't cost anything, it's only the parts prices, right?  
Anyway, keep buying cheap, the Chinese parts industry needs your money 
:-) 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com  (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com  (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Golf speedo

2015-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I thought this was about some fat pasty white European guy wearing a 
Speedo while golfing.


NEED BRAIN BLEACH

--R



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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Bzzt, wrong

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:00 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Gee, you guys are just too cheap!  In the Atlanta area, a car like this would 
 go for around $7500, if he charges the AC and gets it working.  In my area, 
 the prices of these old 617 cars (116, 126, 123) have been going up.  I think 
 the survivor crowd is buying them up.  Remember the old expression, there's 
 no such thing as a cheap Mercedes.  I see you guys write about buying 
 cheap cars and then spending boatloads of time and parts making them work 
 good.  But your time doesn't cost anything, it's only the parts prices, 
 right?  Anyway, keep buying cheap, the Chinese parts industry needs your 
 money :-) 
 Best Wishes, 
 Roger 
 Roger Hale 
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
 Monroe, Ga. 
 770-267-0850 
 www.dinnerwareclassics.com  (new) 
 www.southernnightsantiques.com  (antique) 
 
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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Both

--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Harbor Freight Tools Huge Parking Lot Sale

2015-08-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎HF Taiwanese ratchets, sockets, and such are very high quality. The Chinese 
stuff, not so much. 
‎
Use coupons and codes!

http://www.hfqpdb.com/coupons/73_ITEM_3_8__x_50_FT._HEAVY_DUTY_PREMIUM_RUBBER_AIR_HOSE_1434506584.6654.jpg

http://www.dealsoff.com/harbor-freight-coupons/

http://www.hfqpdb.com/


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Harbor Freight Tools Huge Parking Lot Sale

2015-08-20 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:36:30 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ‎HF Taiwanese ratchets, sockets, and such are very high quality. The
 Chinese stuff, not so much. ‎
 Use coupons and codes!
 
 http://www.hfqpdb.com/coupons/73_ITEM_3_8__x_50_FT._HEAVY_DUTY_PREMIUM_RUBBER_AIR_HOSE_1434506584.6654.jpg

That is the hose I am planning on getting. The Parking Lot Sale has it
listed for the same price as the coupon.

I noticed all the coupons are in color. My printer, however, is black and
white. Will HF honor coupons printed in greyscale?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming

2015-08-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I guess we can all rest easy now - global warming is obviously a total hoax.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 A little something to liven up the list!


 http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/08/20/the_latest_climate_kerfuffle_1397.html

 August 20, 2015The Latest Climate Kerfuffle*By* *Patrick Michaels*
 http://www.realclearpolicy.com/authors/patrick_michaels/

 Are political considerations superseding scientific ones at the National
 Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?

 When confronted with an obviously broken weather station that was reading
 way too hot, they replaced the faulty sensor — but refused to adjust the
 bad readings it had already taken. And when dealing with the pause in
 global surface temperatures that is in its 19th year, the agency threw away
 satellite-sensed sea-surface temperatures, substituting questionable data
 that showed no pause.

 The latest kerfuffle is local, not global, but happens to involve probably
 the most politically important weather station in the nation, the one at
 Washington's Reagan National Airport.

 I'll take credit for this one. I casually noticed that the monthly average
 temperatures at National were departing from their 1981-2010 averages a
 couple of degrees relative to those at Dulles — in the warm direction.

 Temperatures at National are almost always higher than those at Dulles, 19
 miles away. That's because of the well-known urban warming effect, as well
 as an elevation difference of 300 feet. But the weather systems that
 determine monthly average temperature are, in general, far too large for
 there to be any significant difference in the *departure from average* at
 two stations as close together as Reagan and Dulles. Monthly data from
 recent decades bear this out — until, all at once, in January 2014 and
 every month thereafter, the departure from average at National was greater
 than that at Dulles.

 The average monthly difference for January 2014 through July 2015 is 2.1
 degrees Fahrenheit, which is huge when talking about things like record
 temperatures. For example, National's all-time record last May was only 0.2
 degrees above the previous record.

 Earlier this month, I sent my findings to Jason Samenow, a terrific
 forecaster who runs the *Washington Post*'s weather blog, Capital Weather
 Gang. He and his crew verified what I found and wrote up their version,
 giving due credit and adding other evidence that something was very wrong
 at National. And, in remarkably quick action for a government agency, the
 National Weather Service swapped out the sensor within a week and found
 that the old one was reading 1.7 degrees too high. Close enough to 2.1, the
 observed difference.

 But the National Weather Service told the Capital Weather Gang that there
 will be no corrections, despite the fact that the disparity suddenly began
 19 months ago and varied little once it began. It said correcting for the
 error wouldn't be scientifically defensible. Therefore, people can and
 will cite the May record as evidence for dreaded global warming with
 impunity. Only a few weather nerds will know the truth. Over a third of
 this year's 37 90-degree-plus days, which gives us a remote chance of
 breaking the all time record, should also be eliminated, putting this
 summer rightly back into normal territory.

 It is really politically unwise not to do a simple adjustment on these
 obviously-too-hot data. With all of the claims that federal science is
 being biased in service of the president's global-warming agenda, the
 agency should bend over backwards to expunge erroneous record-high
 readings.

 In July, by contrast, NOAA had no problem adjusting the global temperature
 history. In that case, the method they used *guaranteed* that a growing
 warming trend would substitute for the pause. They reported in *Science
 *that
 they had replaced the pause (which shows up in every analysis of satellite
 and weather balloon data) with a significant warming trend.

 Normative science says a trend is statistically significant if there's
 less than a 5 percent probability that it would happen by chance. NOAA
 claimed significance at the 10 percent level, something no graduate student
 could ever get away with. There were several other major problems with the
 paper. As Judy Curry, a noted climate scientist at Georgia Tech, wrote,
 color me 'unconvinced.'

 Unfortunately, following this with the kerfuffle over the Reagan
 temperature records is only going to convince even more people that our
 government is blowing hot air on global warming.

 *Patrick Michaels is director of the Center for the Study of Science at the
 Cato Institute.*



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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-08-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Is it the craftsmanship or materials that changed for post- 1955
clarinets?  Country of manufacture?  Automation vs. hands on manufacturing
process?  Metric vs. English?  ;)

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 What does too old in a clarinet mean?


 Whatever she wants it to mean?  Played out (they don't last
 forever, hot breath and saliva attack the wood).  Old ergonomics.
 Not impressive enough to her friends.  The list goes on...

 In this case, 1955 is the watershed year for the brand, similar
 to 1968 for Mercedes.  Both of my finds are before this date.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-08-20 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

What does too old in a clarinet mean?


Whatever she wants it to mean?  Played out (they don't last
forever, hot breath and saliva attack the wood).  Old ergonomics.
Not impressive enough to her friends.  The list goes on...

In this case, 1955 is the watershed year for the brand, similar
to 1968 for Mercedes.  Both of my finds are before this date.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?

2015-08-20 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 20/08/2015 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

What does too old in a clarinet mean?


Whatever she wants it to mean?  Played out (they don't last
forever, hot breath and saliva attack the wood).  Old ergonomics.
Not impressive enough to her friends.  The list goes on...

In this case, 1955 is the watershed year for the brand, similar
to 1968 for Mercedes.  Both of my finds are before this date.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming

2015-08-20 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
A little something to liven up the list!

http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/08/20/the_latest_climate_kerfuffle_1397.html

August 20, 2015The Latest Climate Kerfuffle*By* *Patrick Michaels*
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/authors/patrick_michaels/

Are political considerations superseding scientific ones at the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?

When confronted with an obviously broken weather station that was reading
way too hot, they replaced the faulty sensor — but refused to adjust the
bad readings it had already taken. And when dealing with the pause in
global surface temperatures that is in its 19th year, the agency threw away
satellite-sensed sea-surface temperatures, substituting questionable data
that showed no pause.

The latest kerfuffle is local, not global, but happens to involve probably
the most politically important weather station in the nation, the one at
Washington's Reagan National Airport.

I'll take credit for this one. I casually noticed that the monthly average
temperatures at National were departing from their 1981-2010 averages a
couple of degrees relative to those at Dulles — in the warm direction.

Temperatures at National are almost always higher than those at Dulles, 19
miles away. That's because of the well-known urban warming effect, as well
as an elevation difference of 300 feet. But the weather systems that
determine monthly average temperature are, in general, far too large for
there to be any significant difference in the *departure from average* at
two stations as close together as Reagan and Dulles. Monthly data from
recent decades bear this out — until, all at once, in January 2014 and
every month thereafter, the departure from average at National was greater
than that at Dulles.

The average monthly difference for January 2014 through July 2015 is 2.1
degrees Fahrenheit, which is huge when talking about things like record
temperatures. For example, National's all-time record last May was only 0.2
degrees above the previous record.

Earlier this month, I sent my findings to Jason Samenow, a terrific
forecaster who runs the *Washington Post*'s weather blog, Capital Weather
Gang. He and his crew verified what I found and wrote up their version,
giving due credit and adding other evidence that something was very wrong
at National. And, in remarkably quick action for a government agency, the
National Weather Service swapped out the sensor within a week and found
that the old one was reading 1.7 degrees too high. Close enough to 2.1, the
observed difference.

But the National Weather Service told the Capital Weather Gang that there
will be no corrections, despite the fact that the disparity suddenly began
19 months ago and varied little once it began. It said correcting for the
error wouldn't be scientifically defensible. Therefore, people can and
will cite the May record as evidence for dreaded global warming with
impunity. Only a few weather nerds will know the truth. Over a third of
this year's 37 90-degree-plus days, which gives us a remote chance of
breaking the all time record, should also be eliminated, putting this
summer rightly back into normal territory.

It is really politically unwise not to do a simple adjustment on these
obviously-too-hot data. With all of the claims that federal science is
being biased in service of the president's global-warming agenda, the
agency should bend over backwards to expunge erroneous record-high readings.

In July, by contrast, NOAA had no problem adjusting the global temperature
history. In that case, the method they used *guaranteed* that a growing
warming trend would substitute for the pause. They reported in *Science *that
they had replaced the pause (which shows up in every analysis of satellite
and weather balloon data) with a significant warming trend.

Normative science says a trend is statistically significant if there's
less than a 5 percent probability that it would happen by chance. NOAA
claimed significance at the 10 percent level, something no graduate student
could ever get away with. There were several other major problems with the
paper. As Judy Curry, a noted climate scientist at Georgia Tech, wrote,
color me 'unconvinced.'

Unfortunately, following this with the kerfuffle over the Reagan
temperature records is only going to convince even more people that our
government is blowing hot air on global warming.

*Patrick Michaels is director of the Center for the Study of Science at the
Cato Institute.*



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Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?

2015-08-20 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Ah, it all changed in 1968, especially for the W108/9.  The coarse MB tex,
the new ugly soft knobs, the heater levers that fell apart, the harsh strip
of MB Tex across the dash, things were painted sliver instead of chrome,
the start of some emissions controls, the torque converter.  The list goes
on and on.

Give me a 1967 250S, 250SE, or 300SEL over any later car any day.  I've
owned both, several of each.

Jaime
'67 300SEL, among others.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On 20/08/2015 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

 What does too old in a clarinet mean?


 Whatever she wants it to mean?  Played out (they don't last
 forever, hot breath and saliva attack the wood).  Old ergonomics.
 Not impressive enough to her friends.  The list goes on...

 In this case, 1955 is the watershed year for the brand, similar
 to 1968 for Mercedes.  Both of my finds are before this date.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] ?

2015-08-20 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On August 19, 2015 at 12:18 PM Curly McLain via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Ha!  Serves ya right!
 
 My mom always said she hoped my sisters kids would be as big of a 
 problem as she was.  The sisters kids were holy terrors and terrible 
 brats, so Mom saw that as just rewards.
 

In my family, it's known as Mother's Curse: I hope some day you have a child and
they're
just like you!

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Re: [MBZ] OT More NOAA bias toward Global Warming

2015-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

I see 3 issues:

1.  Is GW happening?

2.  If Yes, what is causing it?

3.  If Yes to 1 and to 2 something within our control, then what is to 
be done about it, by whom, who pays, who controls the spending, etc.?


--R



On 8/20/15 4:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I guess we can all rest easy now - global warming is obviously a total hoax.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


A little something to liven up the list!


http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/08/20/the_latest_climate_kerfuffle_1397.html

August 20, 2015The Latest Climate Kerfuffle*By**Patrick Michaels*
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/authors/patrick_michaels/

Are political considerations superseding scientific ones at the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?


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Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?

2015-08-20 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It lost the rear swing axels?

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On 20/08/2015 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

 What does too old in a clarinet mean?


 Whatever she wants it to mean?  Played out (they don't last
 forever, hot breath and saliva attack the wood).  Old ergonomics.
 Not impressive enough to her friends.  The list goes on...

 In this case, 1955 is the watershed year for the brand, similar
 to 1968 for Mercedes.  Both of my finds are before this date.

 -- Jim


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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] A kilo of CL crack

2015-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

http://jalopnik.com/the-ten-worst-deals-on-craigslist-right-now-1725188130

I like the Roller

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Re: [MBZ] He is either from New Jersey or is on crack

2015-08-20 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Well, I'm about to list a 85 300CD with similar mileage for a similar price.

But its sorted, has working AC, was dealer serviced, and is overall very
unmolested.

Demanding good money is fine, as long as the car backs up the price.

Jaime


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD
 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5181050900.html

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