Re: [MBZ] Solid & Strong - Gentlemen's Car

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Probably the tip of the iceberg.

On Jul 17, 2017 12:27 AM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:

> $4500
>
> or
>
> replace with standard springs for half that
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 2017, at 7:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > How much to repair the shock?
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Needs AirMatic Shock replacement on front wheels
> >>
> >> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6211855527.html
> >>
> >> --
> >> --FT
> >> Winston Churchill:
> >> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> >> large or petty,
> >> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> >> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
> of
> >> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Solid & Strong - Gentlemen's Car

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Airmatic struts for the W220 are about $500 each, exchange in the aftermarket.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably the tip of the iceberg.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017 12:27 AM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
>> 
>> $4500
>> 
>> or
>> 
>> replace with standard springs for half that
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 7:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much to repair the shock?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Needs AirMatic Shock replacement on front wheels
 
 https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz/6211855527.html
 
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 --FT
 Winston Churchill:
 “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
 large or petty,
 never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
 Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>> of
 the enemy.”
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I work afternoons. Just unwinding from work. Sleep in five..four..three... z

Rick
  Original Message
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume


3 a.m. snack time, I failed to eat enough dinner tonight.  Back to bed in a
bit...

How about you?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You are up late/early.
>
>
>
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[MBZ] OT radio check

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Marco!
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Re: [MBZ] OT radio check

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

ni!

--FT


On 7/17/17 10:51 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Polo!

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Marco!
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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT radio check

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Polo!

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Marco!
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> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT radio check

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Radio check sat, ya'll need to wake up out there!

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Polo!
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Marco!
>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 LWB

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I am a huge Godfather movie fan. But, part 3 does not deserve to be compared to 
the other two.  Its terrible compared to the Part 1 and 2. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:45 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 123 LWB

I am currently watching The Godfather 3 and there is a lwb 240D featured.

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [MBZ] SECOND UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Fresh gas and some fuel system cleaner might indeed clear up the problem.
I'm still not in agreement that a new battery had anything to do with it.

Might also have simply been due to the car sitting unused for too long, and
it needed to be exercised a bit to get all the juices flowing again.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Good ideas!
>
> However, my brother texted me yesterday and said:
>
> "I don't want to jinx myself but I drove the Lincoln 50 miles around town
> today. Stop and go traffics, idling at stop lights all without any
> problems!"
>
> It was just as hot as it was a few days before.  It had a half tank of gas
> when he bought it.  Maybe he got some crap from the old gas and it has run
> through it and now with good gas its fine?
>
> Don Snook
>
>
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[MBZ] SECOND UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Good ideas!  

However, my brother texted me yesterday and said: 

"I don't want to jinx myself but I drove the Lincoln 50 miles around town 
today. Stop and go traffics, idling at stop lights all without any problems!" 

It was just as hot as it was a few days before.  It had a half tank of gas when 
he bought it.  Maybe he got some crap from the old gas and it has run through 
it and now with good gas its fine? 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Ritchey [mailto:ritche...@nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 4:18 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPDATE! RE: OT: Land Yacht problem

Look to see I there is any kind of carb float bowl preheat provision (e.g. to 
reduce emissions).  There may also be a missing insulating gasket between the 
car and manifold.  Or look for places the fuel line is too close to hot stuff, 
like the exhaust manifold.

I had a 1973 240Z with side-draft (Hitachi?) carbs  and there was a water 
jacket around the float bowls.  During warmup, engine coolant circulated around 
the float bowls to warm the fuel so it would vaporize better.  There was a 
thermostat intended to stop this coolant flow then the coolant reached 120F (as 
I recall) but mine had failed in the open position (full flow).  The thermostat 
looked like a simple plumbing adapter so I didn’t realize what it was for 
almost 10 years.  It drove me nuts but only during really hot weather and at 
high altitudes, typically driving coast to coast for PCS moves.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
> Donald Snook via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:49 AM
> 
> The shop replaced the battery and let it idle with the hood closed for an 
> hour.
> It never stalled.   My brother picked it up and had no problems getting home.
> Then, he drove it around at slow speeds in his neighborhood for 45 minutes.
> No problems.  He drove home and parked in the driveway.  About an hour 
> later he went outside to drive it to the store and it started and 
> stalled.  So, he popped the hood and smelled gas.  He took off the air filter 
> and said he could
> hear the gas boiling in the carb.   So, apparently the battery did not fix the
> problem!   It is weird that it idled for an hour with no problems drove around
> for 45 minutes with no problems and then wouldn't run later.
> 
> I suggested he find a shop where he can talk to an old mechanic that has
> worked on Ford carbs.   It shouldn't be that hard to find the 460 was used on 
> a
> lot of cars and they kept using it in the bigger ford trucks even 
> after discontinuing it in the cars.
> 
> Don Snook
> 



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Re: [MBZ] 123 LWB

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In which of the GF anthology does James Caan get killed at a toll plaza?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am a huge Godfather movie fan. But, part 3 does not deserve to be
> compared to the other two.  Its terrible compared to the Part 1 and 2.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:45 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] 123 LWB
>
> I am currently watching The Godfather 3 and there is a lwb 240D featured.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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[MBZ] Andrew - here is the 380SL you've been looking for

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

https://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/d/euro-mercedes-benz-sl-tops/6221031946.html

Price is decent!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Shirley had her hip surgery

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Just as a data point, my buddy in Houston (Dan bought his car) has had 
both hips done, he is 55.  In college he was a nationally-ranked tennis 
player and on a full ride, so all that has beat his hips badly over the 
years.  The last one he had done maybe 5 years ago, I'm not sure it was 
total or just the socket or something, but anyway he had both hips 
upgraded.  He is currently planning to do a Portland OR -Portland ME 
cycling adventure next month, 3600 miles or so in 38? days, something 
like that.  He has had his bike fitted to accommodate one hip range of 
motion.  He has been doing 100 milers frequently these last few months, 
and spent a week at Tahoe riding the mountains. He is an animal, and 
says the hips let him know they are there but so far can handle it.  His 
fear is he will not be able to finish the ride due to the hips, but is 
going to press on.


So, she probably doesn't want to hear that today, but it might be 
somewhat inspirational once she gets going.  He is going to set up some 
sort of blog to track his adventure so I will share that once he gets going.


He has a 79 450SL in showroom condition, and had the S430 he pawned off 
on Dan, so he is in the old Benz fold.


--FT


On 7/16/17 2:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Wish her well, Craig.  I hope she has a speedy recovery.

Went through this with the wife a couple of years ago. Her left hip had 
deteriorated to the point of her being nearly unable to walk it was so painful. 
 Her hip surgery was done robotically which I thought was pretty cool.  They 
had her up and walking the next day, and kept her going at it constantly.  Not 
fun, but I think it did a lot to speed her recovery.

Her Mom just had a hip done last year, and they had her up and walking the day 
of surgery.  She was out of the hospital a day later and walking pretty well on 
her own within a week - she’s in her early 80s and pretty active.

Amazing how quickly they get people back up and walking after such a major 
surgery.

-D



On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

Shirley had her right hip totally replaced Friday. Yesterday was a bad day
for her, but today seems to be a little better.

I'm currently sitting in her room keeping her company.


Craig

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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] Cooling System Purge/Refill Systems

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Has anyone got one of these or used one?  I'm toying with the idea of buying 
one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-Radiator-Cooling-System-Vacuum-Purge-Refill-Kit-Set-Universal-Pro-Tools-/231248561856?hash=item35d77d06c0:g:Q3IAAOSwRUhY~mpf

I've seen them used and they look like it would make refilling the cooling 
system a real piece of cake, not to mention the diagnostic capability of 
finding leaks.

-D
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[MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You won't believe what happens next!

--FT


On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curt why are you so defensive?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You won't believe what happens next!
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>> July 17, 2017
>>
>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>> vehicles.
>>
>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to
>> a
>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>>
>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
>> the
>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
>> ASA,
>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>> sales by 2030.
>>
>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>>
>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>> batteries.
>>
>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
>> on
>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>> > just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
>> July 14). *— AAA*
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> Winston Churchill:
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The author never even considers where the electricity is going to come from...
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:28 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] 123 LWB

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

The first one!

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On Jul 17, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:

In which of the GF anthology does James Caan get killed at a toll plaza?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> wrote:
I am a huge Godfather movie fan. But, part 3 does not deserve to be compared to 
the other two.  Its terrible compared to the Part 1 and 2.

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:45 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 123 LWB

I am currently watching The Godfather 3 and there is a lwb 240D featured.

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew - here is the 380SL you've been looking for

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I love this statement:  "This car sold new for $44k, which is equal to
$100k in today's money."

By  that measure, the Chevy Chevette I purchased in 12/75 for $3600 is now
worth about $15,000 or more, depending on your inflator. No pun intended.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/d/euro-mercedes-benz-
> sl-tops/6221031946.html
>
> Price is decent!
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining Norway's 
massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial penalties on IC engine 
vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs will continue to be 
sold without these massive interferences in the free market.

And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the cost even 
further. And if battery technology improves to the point of making EVs 
competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this country 
great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did not use a 
preposition to end a sentence with!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd 
Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which I did 
not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing about the 
projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount into the market, 
and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff soon.  It is displacing 
coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good thing, esp for electricity 
production.  I have not studied the matter in detail of how EVs would affect 
the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline usage, etc. but kinda like cars 
affected hay prices at some point like 100 yr ago, I'm sure this is just 
another step in progress (however one might define it).

I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan 
political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be 
laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market was 
squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that would be 
more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense that the 
rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong economic 
warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to the end of 
the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money and better 
technology.  Kinda makes sense.

I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak Oil and 
we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run our dizzels.  
Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm thinking that has 
not yet happened. So there's that.

--FT


On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
> I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
> It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will come 
> from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
> "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 
> percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with 
> "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should also be 
> noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an 
> economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not one 
> dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence should 
> really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying", real 
> believable right?
> Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>
> -Curt 



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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Clickers in the spokes of the wheels? Electronic engine sound? They even have 
that option available on some electric RC cars.
Kevin and Hillsboro, Oregon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
> don't fall asleep at the wheel.
> 
> On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
>> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial penalties on
>> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs will
>> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free market.
>> 
>> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the cost
>> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of making EVs
>> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this country
>> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did not use
>> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd
>> Thursby via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>> 
>> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which
>> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing
>> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount
>> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff
>> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good
>> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter in
>> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline
>> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point like 100
>> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one might
>> define it).
>> 
>> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan
>> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be
>> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market
>> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that
>> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense
>> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong
>> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to
>> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money
>> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>> 
>> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak
>> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run
>> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm
>> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
>>> I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
>>> It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>>> "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise
>> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence
>> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should
>> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe
>> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly
>> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying",
>> real believable right?
>>> Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, 
which I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of 
handwringing about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a 
huge amount into the market, and that the US will need to start 
exporting the stuff soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems 
like it would be a good thing, esp for electricity production.  I have 
not studied the matter in detail of how EVs would affect the grid, 
electron production, oil/gasoline usage, etc. but kinda like cars 
affected hay prices at some point like 100 yr ago, I'm sure this is just 
another step in progress (however one might define it).


I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan 
political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be 
laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market 
was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something 
that would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no 
sense that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a 
very strong economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the 
position similar to the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more 
supplies and more money and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.


I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak 
Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run 
our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm 
thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.


--FT


On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will come 
from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
"And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new sales by 
2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with "And", that ought to be enough to discount 
it right there. It should also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an 
economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not one dumb enough to have his or her 
name attached to it.So the sentence should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as 
saying", real believable right?
Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...

-Curt


   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

Curt why are you so defensive?


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


You won't believe what happens next!

--FT


On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
July 17, 2017

Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
vehicles.

By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to
a
recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
the
last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
ASA,
Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
sales by 2030.

And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
batteries.

Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
on
the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
,
July 14). *— AAA*
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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of

Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You should send an angry letter to Bloomberg.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which
> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing
> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount
> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff
> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good
> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter in
> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline
> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point like 100
> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one might
> define it).
>
> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan
> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be
> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market
> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that
> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense
> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong
> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to
> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money
> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>
> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak
> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run
> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm
> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
>> I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
>> It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>> "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30
>> percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with
>> "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should also
>> be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an
>> economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not
>> one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying",
>> real believable right?
>> Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>   Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:38 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>> Curt why are you so defensive?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> You won't believe what happens next!
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
 July 17, 2017

 Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
 vehicles.

 By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
 barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
 to
 a
 recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

 That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
 the
 last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
 PLC's
 prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
 ASA,
 Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
 sales by 2030.

 And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
 market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.

 While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
 their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
 expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
 batteries.

 Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
 on
 the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
 Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
 ,
 July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
don't fall asleep at the wheel.

On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial penalties on
> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs will
> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free market.
>
> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the cost
> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of making EVs
> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this country
> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did not use
> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd
> Thursby via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>
> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR, which
> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of handwringing
> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge amount
> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the stuff
> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a good
> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter in
> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production, oil/gasoline
> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point like 100
> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one might
> define it).
>
> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a partisan
> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to be
> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international market
> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something that
> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no sense
> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very strong
> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position similar to
> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more money
> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>
> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about Peak
> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to run
> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so I'm
> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
> > I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
> > It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will
> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
> > "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise
> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence
> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should
> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe
> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly
> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence
> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying",
> real believable right?
> > Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
> >
> > -Curt
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high ground 
(out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require multiple 
refueling stops.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2017 3:33:25 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
>don't fall asleep at the wheel.
>
>On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
>> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial
>penalties on
>> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs
>will
>> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free
>market.
>>
>> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the
>cost
>> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of
>making EVs
>> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this
>country
>> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did
>not use
>> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>Floyd
>> Thursby via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>>
>> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR,
>which
>> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of
>handwringing
>> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge
>amount
>> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the
>stuff
>> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a
>good
>> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter
>in
>> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production,
>oil/gasoline
>> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point
>like 100
>> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one
>might
>> define it).
>>
>> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a
>partisan
>> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to
>be
>> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international
>market
>> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something
>that
>> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no
>sense
>> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very
>strong
>> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position
>similar to
>> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more
>money
>> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>>
>> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about
>Peak
>> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to
>run
>> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so
>I'm
>> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Your replies would look better if you put them on the right
>message.
>> > I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb
>people.
>> > It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars
>will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>> > "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will
>comprise
>> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a
>sentence
>> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It
>should
>> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything,
>maybe
>> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but
>clearly
>> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the
>sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as
>saying",
>> real believable right?
>> > Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>> >
>> > -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Your replies would look better if you put them on the right message.
I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb people.
It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars will come 
from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air. 
"And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 
percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a sentence with 
"And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It should also be 
noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything, maybe an 
economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but clearly not one 
dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the sentence should 
really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as saying", real 
believable right?
Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...

-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
Curt why are you so defensive?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You won't believe what happens next!
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/17/17 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>> July 17, 2017
>>
>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>> vehicles.
>>
>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to
>> a
>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>>
>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
>> the
>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
>> ASA,
>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>> sales by 2030.
>>
>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>>
>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>> batteries.
>>
>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
>> on
>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>> > just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
>> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you don't run the AC an EV will take you farther per unit of energy stored 
because it doesn't waste energy needlessly clicking over its own engine.
We've already covered this, you're not a good candidate for an EV, if I were 
tyrant you'd be put on the "can't have one" list which would of course generate 
demand, anything somebody can't have is obviously something other people will 
want. ;)

-Curt


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 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   
If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high ground 
(out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require multiple 
refueling stops.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2017 3:33:25 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If I buy an electric car I want it to generate some clicking noise so I
>don't fall asleep at the wheel.
>
>On Jul 17, 2017 3:21 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> WRT Norway, I saw a segment on the PBS News Hour recently outlining
>> Norway's massive subsidies on EVs, as well as the substantial
>penalties on
>> IC engine vehicles. There is no way the current percentage of EVs
>will
>> continue to be sold without these massive interferences in the free
>market.
>>
>> And if demand falls for fossil fuels, that will no doubt lower the
>cost
>> even further. And if battery technology improves to the point of
>making EVs
>> competitive, good. Choice and a free market is what has made this
>country
>> great. There: I began two sentences with "And". But at least I did
>not use
>> a preposition to end a sentence with!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>Floyd
>> Thursby via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:02 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
>>
>> This is interesting in that this morning I heard some story on NPR,
>which
>> I did not pay a lot of attention to, that seemed to consist of
>handwringing
>> about the projection that fracking for gas has introduced a huge
>amount
>> into the market, and that the US will need to start exporting the
>stuff
>> soon.  It is displacing coal and oil, which seems like it would be a
>good
>> thing, esp for electricity production.  I have not studied the matter
>in
>> detail of how EVs would affect the grid, electron production,
>oil/gasoline
>> usage, etc. but kinda like cars affected hay prices at some point
>like 100
>> yr ago, I'm sure this is just another step in progress (however one
>might
>> define it).
>>
>> I also read something yesterday, and I do not mean to set off a
>partisan
>> political debate, that found the whole Russia/Trump/Clinton thing to
>be
>> laughable, as maintaining low gas/oil prices on the international
>market
>> was squeezing the hell out of Pootie and the WOGs, which is something
>that
>> would be more associated with The Don than with Hilz, so it made no
>sense
>> that the rooshans would want Trumpy in El Casa Blanca.  It is a very
>strong
>> economic warfare sort of tool, and the US is now in the position
>similar to
>> the end of the Cold War to squeeze them with more supplies and more
>money
>> and better technology.  Kinda makes sense.
>>
>> I also recall Kleb going half crazy some years ago obsessing about
>Peak
>> Oil and we were all going to be forced to skweez oil from turnips to
>run
>> our dizzels.  Dizzel was $2.03 yesterday at one station I passed, so
>I'm
>> thinking that has not yet happened. So there's that.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/17 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Your replies would look better if you put them on the right
>message.
>> > I hate dumb articles. This article is dumb, its written for dumb
>people.
>> > It doesn't think about where the electricity to power those cars
>will
>> come from. The predictions are pulled out of thin air.
>> > "And Statoil ASA, Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will
>comprise
>> 30 percent of new sales by 2030."Lets look at this one, starts a
>sentence
>> with "And", that ought to be enough to discount it right there. It
>should
>> also be noted that Norway's state oil company doesn't think anything,
>maybe
>> an economist or even worse a futurist at Statoil thinks that but
>clearly
>> not one dumb enough to have his or her name attached to it.So the
>sentence
>> should really say "Somebody in Norway wouldn't go on record as
>saying",
>> real believable right?
>> > Remember I'm in favor of electric cars, I'm against poor writing...
>> >
>> > -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had one like that once unlock the Dodge for me, he was able to hit the unlock 
button. Seems a good system.
-Curt


  From: Craig via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Craig 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:22 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution
   
I ended up searching on the net for "auto lockout albuquerque, nm" and got
a number of hits. I took the first one.

They came out and used small, inflatable air bags, which they slid between
the door and the body. A few pumps on the inflator bulbs, and they had
enough opening to slide a long rod about 1/8" in diameter in. They were
unsuccessful at pulling up the door button, but were successful in
snagging my keys off the center console.

That cost $120 and I can submit it to USAA for reimbursement.


Craig

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[MBZ] Secret Message For Dan P

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The eagle flew out this afternoon...

Rick
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[MBZ] Locked Out

[Craig via Mercedes]

So I find myself leaving the hospital last night  and not able to get into
the 300D/2.5 Turbo because I left the keys on the center console while I
manually pushed the buttons because the locking system isn't locking
properly.

I called USAA's towing service about 2000 and found I had two choices:

- Tow the car to a dealership, or
- Have it towed home for $148.80 (they only tow 13 miles and
home is 45 miles away)

They couldn't send out a locksmith to make a key because no one would come
out on a Sunday evening.

So I called a friend who loaned me a Honda Civic (a nice little car, BTW)
and drove home, getting there about midnight.

Today, I am back at the hospital in Albuquerque, having given the Honda
back to the friend. I did bring the extra key I got from Kaleb, but that
apparently is for the ignition lock (which has a shop cylinder) and not
for the door. Fiddle as I would, I could not get a door cylinder or the
trunk lock to turn.

I called USAA again today, expecting more options. Today, they are:

- Tow the car to a dealership,
- Have it towed home for $148.80, or,
- Have an independent locksmith come out, do something with a
  mold, and have a new key in three business days for $700.

Any ideas?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Take the title to the ABQ Benz dealer and order a key,

That is certainly an option in which I'm interested.


> or better yet an ignition cylinder with key?

You mean a VIN coded cylinder and key, I presume. That would be a good
idea.


> Decide whether a broken window or waiting for the key is a bigger hassle?

I'm not sure about that, nor which window I would break if I decided to do
so.


Craig

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[MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Craig via Mercedes]

I ended up searching on the net for "auto lockout albuquerque, nm" and got
a number of hits. I took the first one.

They came out and used small, inflatable air bags, which they slid between
the door and the body. A few pumps on the inflator bulbs, and they had
enough opening to slide a long rod about 1/8" in diameter in. They were
unsuccessful at pulling up the door button, but were successful in
snagging my keys off the center console.

That cost $120 and I can submit it to USAA for reimbursement.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

OK Don wrote:
> Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
> will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
> around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
> hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.

Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long distances, 
and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius technoloy  
and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more popular and more 
widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 lbs and got an 
average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

American ingenuity.  Nothing like it.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Crap! Around here they charge $25-$50 for that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I ended up searching on the net for "auto lockout albuquerque, nm" and
> got
> > a number of hits. I took the first one.
> >
> > They came out and used small, inflatable air bags, which they slid
> between
> > the door and the body. A few pumps on the inflator bulbs, and they had
> > enough opening to slide a long rod about 1/8" in diameter in. They were
> > unsuccessful at pulling up the door button, but were successful in
> > snagging my keys off the center console.
> >
> > That cost $120 and I can submit it to USAA for reimbursement.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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[MBZ] Not only am I high on crack cocaine, it I am also posting from the future

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

If you can get the rear door quarter window from a junk yard locally, that is 
what I'd break out.
-- 
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bravo!  Have your ordered a VIN-coded ignition cylinder and key?  That'd be my 
next move.
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:44:52 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Bravo!  Have your ordered a VIN-coded ignition cylinder and key?  That'd
> be my next move.

No, not yet. I've been spending my time at the hospital in Shirley's
room. She's been having some complications with her diabetes and may
have developed pneumonia.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Unimog anyone?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

So what is it worth?  $5k?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2017 8:21:48 PM EDT, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Do we still have some lurkers on this list who are into Unimogs?  Jason
>Brown?
>
>Theres a 1971 406 for sale by me here in NJ.  Its got a OM352 in it
>that
>runs, but its really rusty.  The clutch and brake hydraulics are bad,
>so it
>doesn't go or stop.  Most of the gear shift levers are stuck.
>
>Its a disaster.  But its worth saving.  They're asking around $10k, but
>they are to the point of accepting much less I think.
>
>https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-unimog-model/6222153271.html
>
>Let me know...
>
>Jaime
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Purge/Refill Systems

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

My Indy has a Snap-On version.
Sez it works great. Especially on  615 & 617 engine cars, No More Having to
bleed the system when changing the coolant.

Russ

On Mon,7/17/17 13:09, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Has anyone got one of these or used one?  I'm toying with the idea of buying 
one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-Radiator-Cooling-System-Vacuum-Purge-Refill-Kit-Set-Universal-Pro-Tools-/231248561856?hash=item35d77d06c0:g:Q3IAAOSwRUhY~mpf

I've seen them used and they look like it would make refilling the cooling 
system a real piece of cake, not to mention the diagnostic capability of 
finding leaks.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high 
> ground (out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require 
> multiple refueling stops.

Chevy Volt?

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:57:19 -0500 "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> This is why I pay $80 per year for AAA.  They sent guys to jimmy my E420
> several times, no charge.

Any damage to the car? I presume it's a W124 like my 300D. As I mentioned,
I have been told it's bad to jimmy a Benz.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

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Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.

Back to the oil companies story - they were talking about the production of
gasoline (I think), which is not (in most cases) used to produce
electricity. Burning natural gas seems to be the preferred fuel for that
today, though it might change tomorrow. The non-uranium fission process
(cobalt?) actually looks the best to me, now that the wind turbines are
marching towards my backyard :-)

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On July 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high
> ground (out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require
> multiple refueling stops.
>
> Chevy Volt?
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Right, but the oil companies are still making and selling it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 7:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Tractors, combines, trains, and most airplanes don't burn gasoline. They
> burn Diesel or heavier oil, or Jet-A. The general aviation fleet that still
> burns gasoline uses such a small percentage of the total gasoline
> production that we're still buying 100LL , yes - LEAD - gasoline because
> there has not been enough demand to warrant the development of a no lead
> 100 octane aviation fuel. There are a couple of attempts at that now, but
> we're still 2 -5 years out from being able to buy fuel for our Cessnas that
> won't foul the plugs while taxing to the runway at the airport pumps. (I
> haul my fuel from the local no alcohol auto fuel source in a 55 gallon
> barrel).
> 
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
>> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics
>> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also,
>> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
>>> July 17, 2017
>>> 
>>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
>>> vehicles.
>>> 
>>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
>>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
>> to a
>>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
>>> 
>>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
>> the
>>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
>>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
>> PLC's
>>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
>> ASA,
>>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
>>> sales by 2030.
>>> 
>>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
>>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
>>> 
>>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
>>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
>>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
>>> batteries.
>>> 
>>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
>> on
>>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
>>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
>>> > oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
>>> July 14). *— AAA*
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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[MBZ] 1980 240D

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

There is a guy in a Facebook car club I'm in that has a 1980 240D for sale. It 
has 195K miles. Looks pretty good in the pictures.  I can send pictures.  A/c 
is cold.  It's not mine, no benefits to me, just passing info along. 

He says he wants $2900 (which seems HIGH to me), but he notes he is willing to 
negotiate. 

Lives in Wimauma Florida. 

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric 
tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics and 
many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also, how do 
they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> July 17, 2017
> 
> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> vehicles.
> 
> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according to a
> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> 
> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within the
> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP PLC's
> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil ASA,
> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> sales by 2030.
> 
> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> 
> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> batteries.
> 
> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million on
> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> ,
> July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I did that once (and only once) in a W115 - and was able to unlock the door
with a coat hanger without too much damage to the door seal. It took a good
15 - 20 minutes of fiddling, bending, doing it again, etc., but I did get
in and drove myself home.

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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[as.thompson--- via Mercedes]

Craig,
I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.   :-)
I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.
Good luck,
Addison




On Jul 17, 2017, at 17:11, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:

From: Craig 
Subject: [MBZ] Locked Out
Date: July 17, 2017 at 15:42:34 PDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 


So I find myself leaving the hospital last night  and not able to get into
the 300D/2.5 Turbo because I left the keys on the center console while I
manually pushed the buttons because the locking system isn't locking
properly.

I called USAA's towing service about 2000 and found I had two choices:

- Tow the car to a dealership, or
- Have it towed home for $148.80 (they only tow 13 miles and
home is 45 miles away)

They couldn't send out a locksmith to make a key because no one would come
out on a Sunday evening.

So I called a friend who loaned me a Honda Civic (a nice little car, BTW)
and drove home, getting there about midnight.

Today, I am back at the hospital in Albuquerque, having given the Honda
back to the friend. I did bring the extra key I got from Kaleb, but that
apparently is for the ignition lock (which has a shop cylinder) and not
for the door. Fiddle as I would, I could not get a door cylinder or the
trunk lock to turn.

I called USAA again today, expecting more options. Today, they are:

- Tow the car to a dealership,
- Have it towed home for $148.80, or,
- Have an independent locksmith come out, do something with a
 mold, and have a new key in three business days for $700.

Any ideas?

Craig
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[MBZ] Unimog anyone?

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Do we still have some lurkers on this list who are into Unimogs?  Jason
Brown?

Theres a 1971 406 for sale by me here in NJ.  Its got a OM352 in it that
runs, but its really rusty.  The clutch and brake hydraulics are bad, so it
doesn't go or stop.  Most of the gear shift levers are stuck.

Its a disaster.  But its worth saving.  They're asking around $10k, but
they are to the point of accepting much less I think.

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-unimog-model/6222153271.html

Let me know...

Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Craig.

Yikes!

A piece of good string about 4 feet long with a small loop in the center 
introduced to the top rear corner of the door, gently wiggled into the 
interior, can pull up the button, by pulling on the string.

Google it.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Sent: 17 July 2017 18:59
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Craig
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out


I'm not sure about that, nor which window I would break if I decided to do
so.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out (Craig)

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Re: Slim Jim:
Look at these links:

https://www.google.com/search?site=webhp=hp=slim+jim+tool+for+opening+cars=slim+jim+tool+for+opening+cars_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30k1.7586.24350.0.28936.32.30.0.0.0.0.217.4035.0j17j5.22.00...1.1.64.psy-ab..10.22.4024.0..0i131k1.QSoDbXdWp8I

https://www.pro-lok.com/product-category/pro-lok/automotive/auto-entrycar-opening/auto-entry-kits/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_jim_(lock_pick)

> Craig,
> I locked the key in my Toyota pick up truck several years ago and was getting 
> ready to smash a window when someone suggested the local fire department. I 
> called them and, sure enough, they came over with a “slim jim” tool and a few 
> seconds later the door was open. They refused a tip and a beer.   :-)
> I would think that a good locksmith could do the same thing in a short time.
> Good luck,
> Addison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2017, at 17:11, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
> 
> From: Craig 
> Subject: [MBZ] Locked Out
> Date: July 17, 2017 at 15:42:34 PDT
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> 
> 
> So I find myself leaving the hospital last night  and not able to get into
> the 300D/2.5 Turbo because I left the keys on the center console while I
> manually pushed the buttons because the locking system isn't locking
> properly.
> 
> I called USAA's towing service about 2000 and found I had two choices:
> 
>   - Tow the car to a dealership, or
>   - Have it towed home for $148.80 (they only tow 13 miles and
>   home is 45 miles away)
> 
> They couldn't send out a locksmith to make a key because no one would come
> out on a Sunday evening.
> 
> So I called a friend who loaned me a Honda Civic (a nice little car, BTW)
> and drove home, getting there about midnight.
> 
> Today, I am back at the hospital in Albuquerque, having given the Honda
> back to the friend. I did bring the extra key I got from Kaleb, but that
> apparently is for the ignition lock (which has a shop cylinder) and not
> for the door. Fiddle as I would, I could not get a door cylinder or the
> trunk lock to turn.
> 
> I called USAA again today, expecting more options. Today, they are:
> 
>   - Tow the car to a dealership,
>   - Have it towed home for $148.80, or,
>   - Have an independent locksmith come out, do something with a
>  mold, and have a new key in three business days for $700.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The MB E250 gets low 40's.


On 7/17/2017 9:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

OK Don wrote:

Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.


Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long distances, 
and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius technoloy  
and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more popular and more 
widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 lbs and got an 
average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Tractors, combines, trains, and most airplanes don't burn gasoline. They
burn Diesel or heavier oil, or Jet-A. The general aviation fleet that still
burns gasoline uses such a small percentage of the total gasoline
production that we're still buying 100LL , yes - LEAD - gasoline because
there has not been enough demand to warrant the development of a no lead
100 octane aviation fuel. There are a couple of attempts at that now, but
we're still 2 -5 years out from being able to buy fuel for our Cessnas that
won't foul the plugs while taxing to the runway at the airport pumps. (I
haul my fuel from the local no alcohol auto fuel source in a 55 gallon
barrel).

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes. Plastics
> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products. Also,
> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished: Monday,
> > July 17, 2017
> >
> > Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> > vehicles.
> >
> > By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8 million
> > barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
> to a
> > recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >
> > That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
> the
> > last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> > 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
> PLC's
> > prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
> ASA,
> > Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> > sales by 2030.
> >
> > And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> > market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >
> > While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> > their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> > expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> > batteries.
> >
> > Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530 million
> on
> > the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> > Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >  oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
> > July 14). *— AAA*
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A locksmith should be able to jimmy it in about 20sec, they have a whole 
load of tools to do that and know what they are doing. Might cost you 
$30 to get a guy to drive by and do it.  Just call a local locksmith and 
see if they can do it.


Not sure what towing it home will do for you, you will have a car at 
home you would have to do all that to.


--FT


On 7/17/17 6:42 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

So I find myself leaving the hospital last night  and not able to get into
the 300D/2.5 Turbo because I left the keys on the center console while I
manually pushed the buttons because the locking system isn't locking
properly.

I called USAA's towing service about 2000 and found I had two choices:

- Tow the car to a dealership, or
- Have it towed home for $148.80 (they only tow 13 miles and
home is 45 miles away)

They couldn't send out a locksmith to make a key because no one would come
out on a Sunday evening.

So I called a friend who loaned me a Honda Civic (a nice little car, BTW)
and drove home, getting there about midnight.

Today, I am back at the hospital in Albuquerque, having given the Honda
back to the friend. I did bring the extra key I got from Kaleb, but that
apparently is for the ignition lock (which has a shop cylinder) and not
for the door. Fiddle as I would, I could not get a door cylinder or the
trunk lock to turn.

I called USAA again today, expecting more options. Today, they are:

- Tow the car to a dealership,
- Have it towed home for $148.80, or,
- Have an independent locksmith come out, do something with a
   mold, and have a new key in three business days for $700.

Any ideas?


Craig

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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

This is why I pay $80 per year for AAA.  They sent guys to jimmy my E420
several times, no charge.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 17, 2017 at 7:01 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:57:19 -0500 "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> > This is why I pay $80 per year for AAA.  They sent guys to jimmy my E420
> > several times, no charge.
> 
> Any damage to the car? I presume it's a W124 like my 300D. As I mentioned,
> I have been told it's bad to jimmy a Benz.

I suspect it's the difference between calling a mobile locksmith and calling a 
tow driver with a prybar. The locksmith should either be able to get in 
gracefully or give up gracefully. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, but auto gas is a very significant percentage of their sales - losing
even 5% would really upset them.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Right, but the oil companies are still making and selling it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 7:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Tractors, combines, trains, and most airplanes don't burn gasoline. They
> > burn Diesel or heavier oil, or Jet-A. The general aviation fleet that
> still
> > burns gasoline uses such a small percentage of the total gasoline
> > production that we're still buying 100LL , yes - LEAD - gasoline because
> > there has not been enough demand to warrant the development of a no lead
> > 100 octane aviation fuel. There are a couple of attempts at that now, but
> > we're still 2 -5 years out from being able to buy fuel for our Cessnas
> that
> > won't foul the plugs while taxing to the runway at the airport pumps. (I
> > haul my fuel from the local no alcohol auto fuel source in a 55 gallon
> > barrel).
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well they don't seem to take into account there still won't be electric
> >> tractors, electric combines, electric trains, electric airplanes.
> Plastics
> >> and many many other products are still made from petroleum products.
> Also,
> >> how do they figure they are going to charge those electric cars?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ELECTRIC VEHICLESOil companies are increasingly nervousPublished:
> Monday,
> >>> July 17, 2017
> >>>
> >>> Oil producers are waking up to the long-term threat posed by electric
> >>> vehicles.
> >>>
> >>> By 2040, the rising share of EVs could drag down oil demand by 8
> million
> >>> barrels, more than the combined production of Iraq and Iran, according
> >> to a
> >>> recent analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
> >>>
> >>> That's based on OPEC and oil companies hiking their EV forecasts within
> >> the
> >>> last year to substantially higher levels. Exxon Mobil Corp. boosted its
> >>> 2040 EV fleet size estimate to about 100 million from 65 million. BP
> >> PLC's
> >>> prediction shot up 40 percent, to 100 million EVs by 2035. And Statoil
> >> ASA,
> >>> Norway's state oil company, thinks EVs will comprise 30 percent of new
> >>> sales by 2030.
> >>>
> >>> And OPEC, which two years ago predicted EVs would reach only 2 percent
> >>> market share by 2040, has raised that estimate to 12 percent.
> >>>
> >>> While oil producers are less bullish on EVs' potential than automakers,
> >>> their revisions signal a consensus that EVs are poised for drastic
> >>> expansion — due largely to falling costs in vehicle-grade lithium-ion
> >>> batteries.
> >>>
> >>> Electric cars will outsell conventional models by 2040, with 530
> million
> >> on
> >>> the road accounting for one-third of the world's cars, according to
> >>> Bloomberg New Energy Finance (Jess Shankleman, Bloomberg
> >>>  >> oil-just-woke-up-to-the-threat-of-rising-electric-car-demand>,
> >>> July 14). *— AAA*
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> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
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> who
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> > for themselves."
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> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out Resolution

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Crap! Around here they charge $25-$50 for that. 

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> On Jul 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I ended up searching on the net for "auto lockout albuquerque, nm" and got
> a number of hits. I took the first one.
> 
> They came out and used small, inflatable air bags, which they slid between
> the door and the body. A few pumps on the inflator bulbs, and they had
> enough opening to slide a long rod about 1/8" in diameter in. They were
> unsuccessful at pulling up the door button, but were successful in
> snagging my keys off the center console.
> 
> That cost $120 and I can submit it to USAA for reimbursement.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:45:19 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> A locksmith should be able to jimmy it in about 20sec, they have a whole 
> load of tools to do that and know what they are doing. Might cost you 
> $30 to get a guy to drive by and do it.  Just call a local locksmith and 
> see if they can do it.

I have been told it's a bad idea to jimmy a Benz.


> Not sure what towing it home will do for you, you will have a car at 
> home you would have to do all that to.

It would be nice and safe while I drive the Big Red Van to the dealer and
order a new key.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Any damage to the car? I presume it's a W124 like my 300D. As I mentioned,
> I have been told it's bad to jimmy a Benz.
>
> No, a W210.  And nary a scratch.  The alarm objected, of course, but
putting the ignition key in got things quieted down.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Isn't electric...
Speaking of, I saw a Bolt last week for the first time, not a terrible looking 
car, I only saw it from the rear though.

-Curt


  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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Cc: Mitch Haley 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   

> On July 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If I buy an electric vehicle it needs to complete an evacuation to high 
> ground (out of the path of a hurricane) that may take 24 hours and require 
> multiple refueling stops.

Chevy Volt?

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My '85 190D used to randomly lock the doors. I once locked the keys in the car, 
fortunately I'd left one window cracked. I introduced a yo-yo string through 
that cracked window, looped the string around the lock knob and pulled. Quite 
the feeling of relief...
-Curt


  From: Fred Moir via Mercedes 
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Cc: Fred Moir 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out
   
Craig.

Yikes!

A piece of good string about 4 feet long with a small loop in the center 
introduced to the top rear corner of the door, gently wiggled into the 
interior, can pull up the button, by pulling on the string.

Google it.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Sent: 17 July 2017 18:59
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Cc: Craig
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Locked Out


I'm not sure about that, nor which window I would break if I decided to do
so.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My in-laws have a regular v6 Fusion, its a pretty nice car. If I needed a 
hybrid I'd go with that before a Prius. Since its a Ford it'd be cheaper and 
people wouldn't hate you as much driving it as they do the average Prius. 
39mpg is no great shakes these days though, lots of cars in that class can do 
it without hybrid.
-Curt


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 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is a shock to the oil companies
   

OK Don wrote:
> Exactly - - however, as I've stated before, there is no one vehicle that
> will best fulfill all missions. At this point, an EV is great for running
> around town, not so great for cruising cross country. A well engineered
> hybrid might do both, but I doubt it.

Son had a Ford Fusion Hybrid he bought new and kept for five years or so, 
accumulating about 200K miles. It was very comfortable driving long distances, 
and had no repairs other than a rear wheel bearing. It used Prius technoloy  
and a Ford engine for the drive train. It would have been more popular and more 
widely sold but for the high price. It weighted about 4000 lbs and got an 
average of 39 mpg combined road and city.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Locked Out

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Take the title to the ABQ Benz dealer and order a key, or better yet an 
ignition cylinder with key?
Decide whether a broken window or waiting for the key is a bigger hassle?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Bravo!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:19 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I took her for a longer drive.  Not as hot today, but was cold enough to
> make the cabin chilly.  As it cooled off this evening, I had to adjust the
> ACC up and it was still rather chill.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

You are up late/early.

Rick
  Original Message  
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:53 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

Bravo!

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Pressure and volume

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

3 a.m. snack time, I failed to eat enough dinner tonight.  Back to bed in a
bit...

How about you?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:58 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You are up late/early.
>
>
>
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