Re: [MBZ] 450sl disaster sale?

2005-09-22 Thread redghost

We need to mount an effort to get Jim back on the list.


On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 02:28 PM, Kevin wrote:


On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 08:20:49PM -0700, JJJ wrote:
some of you may remember the tale of getting screwed on ebay on a '75 
450sl
in houston...well, the piece of shit arrived today...on an expensive 
truck.


car is in spokane, wa...odometer says 115k...but i don't believe it 
one bit


When you off it, if you still want a 450SL, Jim Cathey's 76 is for 
sale.

Memory serving me, a 76 is exempt from emissions in eastern wa. Jim
did quite a bit of work on that 450.

K

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Re: [MBZ] om603 MPG estimates?

2005-09-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Kevin wrote:


Memory serving me, your 603 is naturally aspirated, so all of our numbers
probably don't compare to yours. That said, my 87 300TD gets roughly what
yours gets, which is considered rather low for that engine and that car.

My 87 300D clears 30 consistently, with a leaky return hose.

Marshall may have figures for NA 603s. The only NA 603 I ran across was
in a five speed 124, and I am fairly certain those numbers will not compare
well with yours :)

K


A normally aspirated 603 engine will do about the same in the city and 
worse than a turbo on the highway if it's like the 602 NA and turbo engines.


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[MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Fuel prices just shot up again.  Its really pathetic, it goes  up 15 
cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.

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Re: [MBZ] 201 ball joint

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

How do you folks get the joint out in the first place?

Peter Frederick wrote:


We bent the press on the W126 ball joint, it's much harder to get to.

You need an adapter tube of some sort for removal -- a pile of big 
washer will work.  The adapters with the Harbor Freight tool work going 
back in.


Ball joint RR isn't bad, you can leave the spring in IF you set the 
control arm down on a jack stand so the weight of the car stays on the 
spring.  You CANNOT remove the control arm this way, and CANNOT do the 
bushings unless you have an internal spring compressor like a Klann.  
The strut is self aligning, so you don't have to worry about getting it 
back in right.


However, you must use an alignment shop familiar with Benz strut type 
front ends, or you will very likely have a car that drives squirrely 
and eats front tires due to excessive toein.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 450sl disaster sale?

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

where is jim these days?  Was he ever here?  Is he pissed off or something?

redghost wrote:


We need to mount an effort to get Jim back on the list.


On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 02:28 PM, Kevin wrote:



On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 08:20:49PM -0700, JJJ wrote:

some of you may remember the tale of getting screwed on ebay on a '75 
450sl
in houston...well, the piece of shit arrived today...on an expensive 
truck.


car is in spokane, wa...odometer says 115k...but i don't believe it 
one bit


When you off it, if you still want a 450SL, Jim Cathey's 76 is for 
sale.

Memory serving me, a 76 is exempt from emissions in eastern wa. Jim
did quite a bit of work on that 450.

K

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Re: [MBZ] 450sl disaster sale?

2005-09-22 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:21:53PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 where is jim these days?  Was he ever here?  Is he pissed off or something?

His e-mail addy is no longer in service it seems. I have another one from
him somewhere, need to hunt it down.

K



Re: [MBZ] 450sl disaster sale?

2005-09-22 Thread redghost
He caught wind of the 617s for free, and told me to put them in Gump.  
Seems he is not working now, but has chosen to not be on the list.  Did 
we say awful things to him, or is there some sort of yoohoo list or R/E 
list thing?


Some one should figure out what he deal is

On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 04:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

where is jim these days?  Was he ever here?  Is he pissed off or 
something?


redghost wrote:


We need to mount an effort to get Jim back on the list.


On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 02:28 PM, Kevin wrote:



On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 08:20:49PM -0700, JJJ wrote:

some of you may remember the tale of getting screwed on ebay on a 
'75

450sl
in houston...well, the piece of shit arrived today...on an expensive
truck.

car is in spokane, wa...odometer says 115k...but i don't believe it
one bit


When you off it, if you still want a 450SL, Jim Cathey's 76 is for
sale.
Memory serving me, a 76 is exempt from emissions in eastern wa. Jim
did quite a bit of work on that 450.

K

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Re: [MBZ] 450sl disaster sale?

2005-09-22 Thread redghost

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On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 04:26 PM, Kevin wrote:


On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:21:53PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
where is jim these days?  Was he ever here?  Is he pissed off or 
something?


His e-mail addy is no longer in service it seems. I have another one 
from

him somewhere, need to hunt it down.

K

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Re: [MBZ] 450sl disaster sale?

2005-09-22 Thread Kevin
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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel - MB commercial engines

2005-09-22 Thread Don Teresa Merriman
Lets see, Cummings is a English corporation, that would be those small
islands off the coast of France, and the Cummings engines in the Dodge stuff
is made by frogs in France. Check out the plate on the side of the engine.
Most of the big castings used in the large engines are cast in Spain, loose
emission rules.

Interesting old news, Cummings ran a diesel powered car in a front engine
car at Indy. I think this was back in the 60´s and they layed the engine on
it´s side. Car actually did real well in that one race.
DT

On 9/21/05, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 rumor has it that Kevin wrote:

  On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:58:46PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote:
   HELL NO. The damn MB engines are made by Detroit. Cummins makes a MUCH
   better product. MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car
   engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land.
 
  Does anyone know how the MB engines in the commercial trucks have been
  fairing? I'm curious if they hold their own to what else is out there,
  or if they're just rebadged detroits in disguise (for whatever that's
 worth).

 From what I've heard, the engines for the class 7 and class 8 trucks are
 quite good - but they are not made by one of the US 3 (Cummins,
 Caterpiller, Detroit) and so it's been a hard sell.

 I've only talked to a couple folks who have driven them. They had no
 complaints.

 They fellows I've talked to that have the Sprinters sure like the MB
 engine in those!

 Philip

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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Rich Thomas
I filled up this morning, actually about 30 cents cheaper than when I 
last filled up a week or so ago.  I am guessing the refineries are going 
to get whacked real bad.  A lot of my neighbors are getting out tonight, 
we are going to ride it out.  Houston is a madhouse right now.


--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Fuel prices just shot up again.  Its really pathetic, it goes  up 15 
cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.
 






Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread LT Don
Rich,

Wave hello to those who followed in my footsteps, in those white helicopters
with the red and blue stripes. And when they hoist you, be sure to keep your
arms inside the rescue basket, ok?

On 9/21/05, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I filled up this morning, actually about 30 cents cheaper than when I
 last filled up a week or so ago. I am guessing the refineries are going
 to get whacked real bad. A lot of my neighbors are getting out tonight,
 we are going to ride it out. Houston is a madhouse right now.

 --R

 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Fuel prices just shot up again. Its really pathetic, it goes up 15
 cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel - MB commercial engines

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
Cummins ran that diesel WAY b4 the sixties...like the
30's. It was the first car to finish without making
one pit stop...so says an MB history book I read.

Christtopher

--- Don  Teresa Merriman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Lets see, Cummings is a English corporation, that
 would be those small
 islands off the coast of France, and the Cummings
 engines in the Dodge stuff
 is made by frogs in France. Check out the plate on
 the side of the engine.
 Most of the big castings used in the large engines
 are cast in Spain, loose
 emission rules.
 
 Interesting old news, Cummings ran a diesel powered
 car in a front engine
 car at Indy. I think this was back in the 60´s and
 they layed the engine on
 it´s side. Car actually did real well in that one
 race.
 DT
 
 On 9/21/05, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  rumor has it that Kevin wrote:
 
   On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:58:46PM -0500, Luther
 Gulseth wrote:
HELL NO. The damn MB engines are made by
 Detroit. Cummins makes a MUCH
better product. MB makes a (well, this is
 questionable) kick ass car
engine, but that's what's made in the Mother
 Land.
  
   Does anyone know how the MB engines in the
 commercial trucks have been
   fairing? I'm curious if they hold their own to
 what else is out there,
   or if they're just rebadged detroits in disguise
 (for whatever that's
  worth).
 
  From what I've heard, the engines for the class 7
 and class 8 trucks are
  quite good - but they are not made by one of the
 US 3 (Cummins,
  Caterpiller, Detroit) and so it's been a hard
 sell.
 
  I've only talked to a couple folks who have driven
 them. They had no
  complaints.
 
  They fellows I've talked to that have the
 Sprinters sure like the MB
  engine in those!
 
  Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] ABC news item on veg oil in US diesels

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
next time, I'll put asterisks around *think*. Thanks
for the convincing counter argument.

Chris, having repeated, apparently, bad info from a
friend

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 Christopher,
 
 You are mistaken on both counts.
 
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 I think New Zealand (becuase of their falling
 population) offers lots of incentives (money, etc)
 for
 people to move there...
 
 Christopher
 
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  somewhere we could get to
  it? Watched a special on New Zealand the other
  night. It looks like paradise
  down there. I think I might be living in the wrong
  hemisphere!
  
  On 9/20/05, Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Great to see W123s figuring so large in the ABC
  news item on alternatives
   to
   diesel, screened here in New Zealand last night.
  Some chap who converted
   his
   own Benz to run on used restaurant oil is now
  making his living from
   fitting
   kits to other diesels. Don't which part of the
 US
  he was in. But all the
   cars shown were 300Ds, as far as I could make
 out.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
How pricey? My purebred Blue Point Siamese was $100.

What annoys me about this thread is not the dead cat
part, but that, I don't *think* anyone has said
anything of relevance. I read the entire site in
English and it is absolutely fascinating. It differs
from the Carthage plant in that it does not use high
pressure and uses a lower temperture. It runs off its
own fuel (needs 10% of it's diesel production to run).
What a boon. With the current fuel crisis why aren't
people all over this? It's clearly industrial, even on
a small scale, but I'm thinking of forwarding the info
to my state rep. Just think how easy it would be for
cities to solve garbage disposal probs, etc.

Christopher

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 Sorry guys but this shit of using dead cats as fuel
 is just making me sick. I'm just a loyal pet owner
 of a pricy siamese named Raja and I doubt he would
 approve even in his demise
 
 
 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 TimothyPilgrim wrote:
  
  Not so, in fact, perhaps PETA could be brought
 on-board with this
  idea! It's a win-win situation - they get to kill
 pets to save them
  from suffering, and we get to burn them in our
 cars!
  
 
 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/cgw054.html?.v=22
 
 Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.
 
 I'll see your newslink and raise you one:
 

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943ran=155298tref=po
 

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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread David Brodbeck
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:17:57 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote 
 Fuel prices just shot up again.  Its really pathetic, it goes  up 15  
 cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet. 
 
The oil market today seems to be like the stock market was in the 90s.  
People think the price will go up, because of the hurricane, so they bid up 
the price of oil futures hoping to make money.  This kind of volatility is 
what you get when you let speculators run rampant in a market. 



Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
I love the coined terms - in addition to Doktor Booth
fuel tonics we now have cathartics as well. What
should we call Diesel Purge... an emetic? :-)

Chris

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 David Brodbeck wrote:
  My car seemed to idle rougher on biodiesel than on
 petrodiesel.  Anyone
  else seen this?  It could have been just clogged
 filters, I suppose.  I
  changed the inline filter halfway through, with no
 obvious change, but I
  didn't get around to changing the main filter
 until I had finished off
  the tank.
 
 Biodiesel is a better solvent that conventional
 petrodiesel (everything 
 else being equal). All that needs to happen is for
 freed deposits to 
 clog an injector nozzle, or even for a bit of carbon
 to loosen in a 
 prechamber and the idle and noise can roughen up
 VERY noticeably. If 
 it's cylinder specific you'll need to perform all
 the same diagnostics 
 that you would any time the idle gets rough
 (determine which cylinder, 
 etc). A few full pedal acceleration runs will clean
 up MANY 
 carbon/coking problems. The main filter CAN be
 almost completely clogged 
 without there being ANY evidence of the inline
 filter being discolored 
 or occluded.
 
 But then there is also the quality and energy
 content of the base petro 
 stock as well as the quality of the bio stock. With
 pure petro diesel, 
 it's very common for the quality to vary greatly.
 Different batches of 
 fuel (all meeting the minimum standards common in
 the US) to deliver 
 economy that can vary over a more than 20% range
 (even more when winter 
 additives are added) and can have a Cetane rating
 (Cetane is unrelated 
 to power but is an indicator of ease of ignition)
 anywhere from 40-50. 
 There is also the quality of the bio component.
 While I don't know 
 this for sure, I expect it's far less tightly
 defined and controlled 
 than the petro component.
 
 My own experience with biodiesel was rather good
 until a few weeks ago. 
 Since then, the biodiesel I have been able to
 purchase has been of 
 marginal quality, delivered poor economy and has
 been expensive to VERY 
 expensive when compared to petrodiesel. I was ALMOST
 a believer. Now my 
 enthusiasm has reverted to skepticism. Until
 Biodiesel of uniform and 
 suitable quality can be reliably supplied at a price
 competitive with 
 available petrodiesel, it will remain nothing more
 than a novelty that 
 some might occasionally use as a fuel system
 cathartic.
 
 Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] om603 MPG estimates?

2005-09-22 Thread OK Don
I just got 24mpg on the last tank in the 300SDL - turbo 603 engine. I
have gotten 26 in the past. The last several tanks before this one
only got 22MPG, but most starts and acceleration were WOT - kick-down
switch engaged.

On 9/21/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kevin wrote:

  Memory serving me, your 603 is naturally aspirated, so all of our numbers
  probably don't compare to yours. That said, my 87 300TD gets roughly what
  yours gets, which is considered rather low for that engine and that car.
 
  My 87 300D clears 30 consistently, with a leaky return hose.
 
  Marshall may have figures for NA 603s. The only NA 603 I ran across was
  in a five speed 124, and I am fairly certain those numbers will not compare
  well with yours :)
 
  K

 A normally aspirated 603 engine will do about the same in the city and
 worse than a turbo on the highway if it's like the 602 NA and turbo engines.

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[MBZ] is this thing for real?

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

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Re: [MBZ] is this thing for real?

2005-09-22 Thread OK Don
You REALY need that for your paper route!
I think I've seen a picture of a 115 wagon in a book, and remember
reading about such things in the paper 115 manual - long ago. There
was an ambulance version also -- --

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel - MB commercial engines

2005-09-22 Thread Loren Faeth
If we are talking about the liberty, the last i knew, it was the italian 
diesel, same as chrysler has been using in europe for minivans, cherokees 
and the like for years.


At 05:31 PM 9/21/2005, you wrote:

The diesel in the Jeep is a Detriot 18:1 compression ratio american
made clatterbox.  Loud, requires a 6 speed auto tranny, and has a HUGE
turbo, long stroke direct injection.

They never learn, eh?

Peter


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[MBZ] this is a TRUE story, i was almost rich

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So Regina(wife) calls and says she pulled up to an ATM in town to get 
some cash and there is a set of keys hanging from the lock to the 
machine.  H.  She turns the key and the damn thing opens up to 
access all the money in the thing.  So she decides to try another 
machine.  Apparently the same key works in all the machines from a 
certain unnamed local bank with many ATM's and branches in several towns 
around here.   Also the key to all the deposit boxes was there as well. 
 Holy crap, I could have been rich but alas, she turned the keys in to 
the police.  Oh well, I guess that was the right thing to do, probably 
would have wound up in jail otherwise.  I sure could have had alot of 
new cars though!!

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[MBZ] WIS

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
so how far back does it go?  Does it really cover older models?  Or just 
newer ones?

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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Royce Engler
At the risk of igniting a flame war, I would point out that most of the
companies operating platforms in the Gulf shut them down before Rita passed
Key West.  It takes a couple of days to shut everything down, button it up
and get the crews off.  Also takes a couple of days to get them back out
there and light off the equipment, IF it isn't damaged.  As far as the oil
market goes, that's pretty much run by a bunch of traders in button down
shirts at the NYMEC, and if they get panicked, the price goes up.

Royce Engler
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:17:57 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote
 Fuel prices just shot up again.  Its really pathetic, it goes  up 15
 cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.

The oil market today seems to be like the stock market was in the 90s.
People think the price will go up, because of the hurricane, so they bid up
the price of oil futures hoping to make money.  This kind of volatility is
what you get when you let speculators run rampant in a market.

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Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel - MB commercial engines

2005-09-22 Thread Loren Faeth

  BZZT!

Clessie Cummins was as American as Apple Pie, and the company he started is 
in Indiana, as it has always been.  Excerpt from 
cummins.com:  Headquartered in Columbus, Indiana, (USA) Cummins serves 
customers in more than 160 countries and territories through its network of 
550 Company-owned and independent distributor locations


Cummins first raced a Diesel at Indy in the 20s.  Check it out

A good book is My days with the Diesel by Clessie Cummins.

They may make pieces abroad, and they most likely make whole engines 
abroad, but Cummins is an American company.


Buy a John Deere, and you may get an engine made in France, Waterloo, IA or 
Japan.  In '74 my Dad bought a Deere assembled in Mannheim, with a french 
engine, a British (yuk) injection system and US tires.


From what I understand, MB trucks outside the US use MB OM series 
engines.  MBUSA trucks (sterling and Freightshaker)  probably have options 
for any of the US-3 as well as some MB  OM series engines for 
Freightliners.  I know some Freightshakers have powered by Mercedes Benz 
on some of the hoods.To my knowledge, all the OM engines are made by 
Mercedes Benz, probably in Europe, traditionally in Germany.   They have 
been reluctant to let engine production occur outside of Germany, but maybe 
that changed with the acquisition of Freightliner.The L1113, L1116 and 
so forth MB medium duties used OM352 and other OM engines made in 
Germany.  I know of an experimental MB OM truck engine that was put in 
service in a US chassis in 1973 and ran a million+ miles and was good as 
new when the chassis was retired.  The engine was experimental for the US 
long haul market, but was a production v-8.  They wanted to see how it 
stood up to the long haul market.


I think there is some misunderstanding about what market segment the 
original question was addressing.  I am not sure either.  Sprinter is one 
thing, the L series trucks from Brazil in the 80s is another, and the US 
(sterling/Freightshaker) is another, and the MB trucks for the rest of the 
world is another.


Luther, are you saying MB OM series engines are being manufactured by 
Detroit Diesel under contract/license? Could be, but it is news to 
me.  Makes sense though, for the number of freightshakers they sell.  Which 
OM numbers are made in the US?


Anyone know the location of the plant the Sprinters are made in?

At 06:37 PM 9/21/2005, you wrote:
Lets see, Cummings is a English corporation, that would be those small 
islands off the coast of France, and the Cummings engines in the Dodge 
stuff is made by frogs in France. Check out the plate on the side of the 
engine. Most of the big castings used in the large engines are cast in 
Spain, loose emission rules.


Interesting old news, Cummings ran a diesel powered car in a front engine 
car at Indy. I think this was back in the 60´s and they layed the engine 
on it´s side. Car actually did real well in that one race.

DT

On 9/21/05, Fmiser mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rumor has it that Kevin wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:58:46PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote:
  HELL NO.  The damn MB engines are made by Detroit.  Cummins makes a MUCH
  better product.  MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car
  engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land.

 Does anyone know how the MB engines in the commercial trucks have been
 fairing? I'm curious if they hold their own to what else is out there,
 or if they're just rebadged detroits in disguise (for whatever that's 
worth).


From what I've heard, the engines for the class 7 and class 8 trucks are
quite good - but they are not made by one of the US 3 (Cummins,
Caterpiller, Detroit) and so it's been a hard sell.

I've only talked to a couple folks who have driven them. They had no
complaints.

They fellows I've talked to that have the Sprinters sure like the MB
engine in those!

  Philip

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[MBZ] Cummings

2005-09-22 Thread RELNGSON
Lets see, Cummings is a English corporation, that would be those small
islands off the coast of France, and the Cummings engines in the Dodge stuff
is made by frogs in France.

I googled Cummings and all I got was a bunch of info about a poet.

Oh, and it's prostate, not prostrate.

RLE


Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea, true.  The thing that makes me sick though is when prices start 
going up like that, one station may raise theirs then the others and 
they all just keep going up even though they probably have not gotten 
a new delivery of fuel in.


Royce Engler wrote:


At the risk of igniting a flame war, I would point out that most of the
companies operating platforms in the Gulf shut them down before Rita passed
Key West.  It takes a couple of days to shut everything down, button it up
and get the crews off.  Also takes a couple of days to get them back out
there and light off the equipment, IF it isn't damaged.  As far as the oil
market goes, that's pretty much run by a bunch of traders in button down
shirts at the NYMEC, and if they get panicked, the price goes up.

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:17:57 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote


Fuel prices just shot up again.  Its really pathetic, it goes  up 15
cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.



The oil market today seems to be like the stock market was in the 90s.
People think the price will go up, because of the hurricane, so they bid up
the price of oil futures hoping to make money.  This kind of volatility is
what you get when you let speculators run rampant in a market.

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Re: [MBZ] is this thing for real?

2005-09-22 Thread Loren Faeth

Not factory.  It is most likely a Binz conversion.

Where is John Green when we need him?
Aussies had to be independent and set up their own list  go 
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[MBZ] need this to buy bulk fuel when its cheap

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Request Opinion on Political Issue

2005-09-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:46:44 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 if I thought I could trust him
  he lied and ppl died ... weapons of mass destruction. 
  
 halliburton
 9-11 
 THE big storm
 ect ect
  i dont think so

Enough of these falsehoods!!! I'm sick and tired of them being passed off
as valid. THEY ARE NOT!!!

Bush did not lie. Others, including John Kerry, who had the same
information that he did made the same decision that he did.

The conduct of the people in Sadam's regime was, to say the least, very
suspicious in the time leading up to the invasion. In addition, the
behavior of Hans Blix and his subordinates, such that places they were
going to inspect were conveniently informed and cleaned up prior to
their arrival, made a mockery of the inspection process, which Sadam
stopped anyway.

Dick Cheney was connected with Halliburton, not George Bush.

George Bush did not cause 9-11. The ruling that hog-tied the FBI and
others in foreseeing what the terrorists were planning was made policy by
a Clinton appointee during Clinton's tenure. That rule has since been
reversed.

George Bush did not cause hurricane Katrina. George Bush did not cause the
mayor of New Orleans to be derelict in his duties before, during, or after
hurricane Katrina. George Bush did not cause the Governor of Louisiana to
refuse to give permission to the Feds to help. George Bush did not cause
the mayor of New Orleans to tell the people there that they would be on
their own for four days after the hurricane hit.

I could go on and on ...


Craig



Re: [MBZ] OT: Request Opinion on Political Issue

2005-09-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:31:51 -0400 andrew strasfogel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Mike, you're not alone, though I agree the debate gets too inflamed
 and besides, the red staters outnumber blues about 10,000 to 1 so it's
 probably wiser to cool it... ;)

I already replied to Mike. Stop propagating falsehoods.


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 fiberoptic lights failure (all four rocker switches above the acc array)
 without going on a fishing expedition.

Just take the console out. The fiberoptic lights are on the left side, and
a little higher than the radio. Perhaps the single bulb that illuminates
them all is burnt out.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] this is a TRUE story, i was almost rich

2005-09-22 Thread Sunil Hari
Look at it this way - your karma points just went WAY up.

Also, you married a VERY smart and tolerant woman. Props to her.

On 9/21/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So Regina(wife) calls and says she pulled up to an ATM in town to get
 some cash and there is a set of keys hanging from the lock to the
 machine. H. She turns the key and the damn thing opens up to
 access all the money in the thing. So she decides to try another
 machine. Apparently the same key works in all the machines from a
 certain unnamed local bank with many ATM's and branches in several towns
 around here. Also the key to all the deposit boxes was there as well.
 Holy crap, I could have been rich but alas, she turned the keys in to
 the police. Oh well, I guess that was the right thing to do, probably
 would have wound up in jail otherwise. I sure could have had alot of
 new cars though!!
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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Rich Thomas
No helo rides for me.  I gotta go over to Circuit City Sat morning to 
get some bread and diapers and a 60 plasma for my babies, and wait here 
at the house for FEMA to bring me my debit card.


I am thinking about getting Brunnhilde's big ol battery to run the 12V 
blender for my Rita 'rita party.  Ought to whip up a coupla batches.  I 
picked all my limes the other night and skwooze 'em, got 2 liters of 
pucker juice now gotta go get me some cactus juice, didn't want to see a 
bunch of little green bullets pinging on my windows.


--R

LT Don wrote:


Rich,

Wave hello to those who followed in my footsteps, in those white 
helicopters with the red and blue stripes. And when they hoist you, be 
sure to keep your arms inside the rescue basket, ok?


On 9/21/05, *Rich Thomas* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I filled up this morning, actually about 30 cents cheaper than when I
last filled up a week or so ago.  I am guessing the refineries are
going
to get whacked real bad.  A lot of my neighbors are getting out
tonight,
we are going to ride it out.  Houston is a madhouse right now.

--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Fuel prices just shot up again.  Its really pathetic, it goes  up 15
cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.




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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Royce Engler
Hey, Rich...say hi to Rita for me.  I'm packing up the kids and grandkids
and heading up to Fort Worth to stay with my sister.  I've been through a
couple of these, and the view is much better from afar.  Besides, I live up
in Entergy territory in Montgomery County, and it'll probably take them a
month to get power back on.  One thing about good ole Houston Looting and
Pillage, they get the power back on pretty quick.

Save one a them FEMA cards for me.  I need a new Louis Vuitton suitcase.
Didja hear about the guy who went to Gander Mountain and bought a complete
hunting outfit, including shotgun, clothes, boots and even a Texas out of
state hunter's license with his card?  Whaddya expect?  It is, after all,
dove season.

Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 265K

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  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:02 PM
  To: LT Don; Mercedes mailing list
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] here we go again


  No helo rides for me.  I gotta go over to Circuit City Sat morning to get
some bread and diapers and a 60 plasma for my babies, and wait here at the
house for FEMA to bring me my debit card.

  I am thinking about getting Brunnhilde's big ol battery to run the 12V
blender for my Rita 'rita party.  Ought to whip up a coupla batches.  I
picked all my limes the other night and skwooze 'em, got 2 liters of pucker
juice now gotta go get me some cactus juice, didn't want to see a bunch of
little green bullets pinging on my windows.

  --R

  LT Don wrote:
Rich,

Wave hello to those who followed in my footsteps, in those white
helicopters with the red and blue stripes. And when they hoist you, be sure
to keep your arms inside the rescue basket, ok?


On 9/21/05, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  I filled up this morning, actually about 30 cents cheaper than when I
  last filled up a week or so ago.  I am guessing the refineries are
going
  to get whacked real bad.  A lot of my neighbors are getting out
tonight,
  we are going to ride it out.  Houston is a madhouse right now.

  --R

  Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

  Fuel prices just shot up again.  Its really pathetic, it goes  up 15
  cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.
  
  


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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 yea, true.  The thing that makes me sick though is when prices start 
 going up like that, one station may raise theirs then the others and 
 they all just keep going up even though they probably have not gotten 
 a new delivery of fuel in.

I suppose they'd argue they're just charging their replacement cost --
what it'll cost to replace the gas you're buying.

There are probably some examples of gouging, but from what I've heard
most of the profit isn't made at the retail end of things.  The figures
I've heard amount to less than 10 cents a gallon over what the
wholesaler charges them.



Re: [MBZ] OT: Request Opinion on Political Issue

2005-09-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Craig McCluskey wrote:
 George Bush did not cause the Governor of Louisiana to
 refuse to give permission to the Feds to help.

This has been repeated enough that people assume it's true, but AFAIK it
isn't.  If you can provide me a source that says otherwise, I'd
appreciate seeing it.

There's a pretty well documented timeline here:
http://www.factcheck.org/article348.html
According to it, Blanco asked Bush to declare a state of emergency two
days before the storm hit, on August 27, and he did so.  On August 29
she asked him again for help.  Not exactly the actions of someone trying
to keep the feds out.

While Bush isn't personally responsible for FEMA's slow response, I do
hold him responsible for appointing an incompetant political hack with
no disaster response experience to head the agency.  Unfortunately this
administration has seen a return to something of the old spoils
system, where government jobs are given as rewards to people who are
politically loyal, not to the people who are best qualified.




Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Rich Thomas wrote:
 No helo rides for me.  I gotta go over to Circuit City Sat morning to
 get some bread and diapers and a 60 plasma for my babies, and wait here
 at the house for FEMA to bring me my debit card.

I bet they bring 'em twice as fast if you're in a state with a
Republican governor.  If this administration knows one thing, it's how
to take care of their own. ;)



Re: [MBZ] Cummings

2005-09-22 Thread Don Teresa Merriman
Are you suggesting that cerveza, spellcheck, and Google don´t mix well, or
is it that you have stick up your poopstrate?

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 stuff
 is made by frogs in France.

 I googled Cummings and all I got was a bunch of info about a poet.

 Oh, and it's prostate, not prostrate.

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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Harry
Mines a Seal Point and according to the latest prices for the bloodlines of the 
cat I have some spend upwards of $500 for them. Heck, ya think thats alot have 
ya ever priced a sphynx? $1500 to $3000 for one thats get this totally hairless


Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How pricey? My purebred Blue Point Siamese was $100.

What annoys me about this thread is not the dead cat
part, but that, I don't *think* anyone has said
anything of relevance. I read the entire site in
English and it is absolutely fascinating. It differs
from the Carthage plant in that it does not use high
pressure and uses a lower temperture. It runs off its
own fuel (needs 10% of it's diesel production to run).
What a boon. With the current fuel crisis why aren't
people all over this? It's clearly industrial, even on
a small scale, but I'm thinking of forwarding the info
to my state rep. Just think how easy it would be for
cities to solve garbage disposal probs, etc.

Christopher

--- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry guys but this shit of using dead cats as fuel
 is just making me sick. I'm just a loyal pet owner
 of a pricy siamese named Raja and I doubt he would
 approve even in his demise


 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TimothyPilgrim wrote:
 
  Not so, in fact, perhaps PETA could be brought
 on-board with this
  idea! It's a win-win situation - they get to kill
 pets to save them
  from suffering, and we get to burn them in our
 cars!
 
 
 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/cgw054.html?.v=22
 
 Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.
 
 I'll see your newslink and raise you one:
 

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943ran=155298tref=po
 

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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Harry
As  for who would pay that for a cat the answer would be me. If ya want to use 
dead animals for fuel then I'm sure you can get enough energy out of the usual 
road kill. And if that isn't enough you can go for the pests that plague us and 
scatter garbage and disease like coons, skunk and possum. 


redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We just do lots of pest eradication, take the puppies and kitties, 
along with the rats and mice, and toss them into the great big Bio 
processor.  Use some sewage, yard waste, old computers, John Does, gang 
bangers, junk mail, for fiber, and squish it real good, cook it real 
long, then pump it into the tank.

Biggest problem will be shipping it to that toxic waste dump, NOLA, for 
processing.  The city will be a hazard for generations, so may as well 
use it to make fuel.  Bound to be able to scrape nasty crust off the 
ground and toss it in as well.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 06:35 AM, TimothyPilgrim wrote:

 Who'd pay for a cat?

 Tim
 1982 300TD Moby

 On 9/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Harry
geez, so I like animals give me a break


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's not worth it anyway if the cat was pricy. Might as well keep it.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harry ) wrote:

Sorry guys but this shit of using dead cats as fuel is just making me sick. 
I'm just a loyal pet owner of a pricy siamese named Raja and I doubt he would 
approve even in his demise


Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

TimothyPilgrim wrote:

 Not so, in fact, perhaps PETA could be brought on-board with this
 idea! It's a win-win situation - they get to kill pets to save them
 from suffering, and we get to burn them in our cars!

 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/cgw054.html?.v=22

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.

I'll see your newslink and raise you one:

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943ran=155298tref=po

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/articles/2005/06/18/news/news1.txt

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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Mike Canfield
That's cuz you can par boil them with less cleaningMakes the Lo Mein 
easier to makeLOLOL, Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Harry  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel


Mines a Seal Point and according to the latest prices for the bloodlines of 
the cat I have some spend upwards of $500 for them. Heck, ya think thats 
alot have ya ever priced a sphynx? $1500 to $3000 for one thats get this 
totally hairless



Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How pricey? My purebred Blue Point Siamese was $100.

What annoys me about this thread is not the dead cat
part, but that, I don't *think* anyone has said
anything of relevance. I read the entire site in
English and it is absolutely fascinating. It differs
from the Carthage plant in that it does not use high
pressure and uses a lower temperture. It runs off its
own fuel (needs 10% of it's diesel production to run).
What a boon. With the current fuel crisis why aren't
people all over this? It's clearly industrial, even on
a small scale, but I'm thinking of forwarding the info
to my state rep. Just think how easy it would be for
cities to solve garbage disposal probs, etc.

Christopher

--- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sorry guys but this shit of using dead cats as fuel
is just making me sick. I'm just a loyal pet owner
of a pricy siamese named Raja and I doubt he would
approve even in his demise


Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

TimothyPilgrim wrote:

 Not so, in fact, perhaps PETA could be brought
on-board with this
 idea! It's a win-win situation - they get to kill
pets to save them
 from suffering, and we get to burn them in our
cars!


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/cgw054.html?.v=22

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.

I'll see your newslink and raise you one:


http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943ran=155298tref=po


http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/articles/2005/06/18/news/news1.txt

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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Mike Canfield
Harry.Don't forget the coon, skunk and opossum were here before OUR 
civilization destroyed thier environment so now they have to live in ours 
and we call them the nusciance  If WE don't leave the garbage there is 
NONE to scatter by the animals that are just looking for food.  I'm not 
saying to kill your cat for energy production but after they pass on why 
not?  A noble dog would gladly go for the plan but I doubt the selfish, 
finicky cat would(obviously speculation there).
 Think of The Matrix..People as batteriesHow far off is that, 
really?


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Harry  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel


As  for who would pay that for a cat the answer would be me. If ya want to 
use dead animals for fuel then I'm sure you can get enough energy out of the 
usual road kill. And if that isn't enough you can go for the pests that 
plague us and scatter garbage and disease like coons, skunk and possum.



redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


We just do lots of pest eradication, take the puppies and kitties,
along with the rats and mice, and toss them into the great big Bio
processor. Use some sewage, yard waste, old computers, John Does, gang
bangers, junk mail, for fiber, and squish it real good, cook it real
long, then pump it into the tank.

Biggest problem will be shipping it to that toxic waste dump, NOLA, for
processing. The city will be a hazard for generations, so may as well
use it to make fuel. Bound to be able to scrape nasty crust off the
ground and toss it in as well.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 06:35 AM, TimothyPilgrim wrote:


Who'd pay for a cat?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 9/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's not worth it anyway if the cat was pricy. Might as well keep it.


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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Mitch Haley
David Brodbeck wrote:
 
 I suppose they'd argue they're just charging their replacement cost --
 what it'll cost to replace the gas you're buying.

Makes sense, if you sell the contents of your storage tanks for $2.60 
just so you can pay $2.70 to refill them tomorrow, you'd be better
off just closing the store for a day and leaving the tanks full. 
The fact that you paid $2.50 for what's in the tanks now is
irrelevant. OTOH, some merchants are too resistant for selling
the $2.70 stuff for $2.60 when the wholesale goes back down to $2.50. 
So what you see is prices going down 1-2 cents per price change,
and up 20 cents all at once.



Re: [MBZ] need this to buy bulk fuel when its cheap

2005-09-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Could you fit that tank in the trunk of one of your diesels and fill it 
with veggie oil -- a 2-tank setup?  I see a lot of guys asking for 
another tank...


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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Richard Smith
I think you guys are beating a dead horse! LOL (c:

On 9/22/05, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Harry.Don't forget the coon, skunk and opossum were here before OUR
 civilization destroyed thier environment so now they have to live in ours
 and we call them the nusciance If WE don't leave the garbage there is
 NONE to scatter by the animals that are just looking for food. I'm not
 saying to kill your cat for energy production but after they pass on why
 not? A noble dog would gladly go for the plan but I doubt the selfish,
 finicky cat would(obviously speculation there).
 Think of The Matrix..People as batteriesHow far off is that,
 really?

 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Harry  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel


 As for who would pay that for a cat the answer would be me. If ya want to
 use dead animals for fuel then I'm sure you can get enough energy out of
 the
 usual road kill. And if that isn't enough you can go for the pests that
 plague us and scatter garbage and disease like coons, skunk and possum.


 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We just do lots of pest eradication, take the puppies and kitties,
 along with the rats and mice, and toss them into the great big Bio
 processor. Use some sewage, yard waste, old computers, John Does, gang
 bangers, junk mail, for fiber, and squish it real good, cook it real
 long, then pump it into the tank.
 
 Biggest problem will be shipping it to that toxic waste dump, NOLA, for
 processing. The city will be a hazard for generations, so may as well
 use it to make fuel. Bound to be able to scrape nasty crust off the
 ground and toss it in as well.
 
 On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 06:35 AM, TimothyPilgrim wrote:
 
  Who'd pay for a cat?
 
  Tim
  1982 300TD Moby
 
  On 9/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's not worth it anyway if the cat was pricy. Might as well keep it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] WIS

2005-09-22 Thread Dave M.
It's got full coverage of the W124  W201, I think full coverage of
the 126 (except 617 engine - not sure about 117), and most everything
newer. Nothing on the 123, 115/116, or older. For the 124/201 etc, the
main difference between it and the CD-ROM's is tranny repair
information, and some assorted extra bulletins  articles. I've got a
USA version and also a worldwide version (which theoretically includes
some other chassis not imported to the USA).

-dm

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 newer ones?



Re: [MBZ] OT: Request Opinion on Political Issue

2005-09-22 Thread stevebailey3373
Plus why would we give that authority to any politician, whatever party? Dumb 
question. 

Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:46:44 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 if I thought I could trust him
  he lied and ppl died ... weapons of mass destruction. 
  
 halliburton
 9-11 
 THE big storm
 ect ect
  i dont think so

Enough of these falsehoods!!! I'm sick and tired of them being passed off
as valid. THEY ARE NOT!!!

Bush did not lie. Others, including John Kerry, who had the same
information that he did made the same decision that he did.

The conduct of the people in Sadam's regime was, to say the least, very
suspicious in the time leading up to the invasion. In addition, the
behavior of Hans Blix and his subordinates, such that places they were
going to inspect were conveniently informed and cleaned up prior to
their arrival, made a mockery of the inspection process, which Sadam
stopped anyway.

Dick Cheney was connected with Halliburton, not George Bush.

George Bush did not cause 9-11. The ruling that hog-tied the FBI and
others in foreseeing what the terrorists were planning was made policy by
a Clinton appointee during Clinton's tenure. That rule has since been
reversed.

George Bush did not cause hurricane Katrina. George Bush did not cause the
mayor of New Orleans to be derelict in his duties before, during, or after
hurricane Katrina. George Bush did not cause the Governor of Louisiana to
refuse to give permission to the Feds to help. George Bush did not cause
the mayor of New Orleans to tell the people there that they would be on
their own for four days after the hurricane hit.

I could go on and on ...


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Re: [MBZ] tesst

2005-09-22 Thread Steve MacSween
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[MBZ] is this thing for real?

2005-09-22 Thread Roger Conlon



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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
Wow. I'm not crazy about seals, but I do like the
chocolate points and have dibs on a kitten from the
next littler of a beautiful choco pnt mom.

ANYWAY, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT DEAD CATS IS STUPID!
There is one place in the US that is using this
technology and they are not confiscating cats or
having prisoners pick up raodkill. They are hooked up
with a butterball turkey plant in Carthage, MO. They
will soon be processing ALL the guts and waste from
that plant. If ANYONE bothered to look at the very
informative links I posted, you will see that they are
not after Fido, Raja and Rose but want to hook up with
companies that have huge amounts of biomass to dispose
of - think slaughterhouses, etc.

Christopher

--- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mines a Seal Point and according to the latest
 prices for the bloodlines of the cat I have some
 spend upwards of $500 for them. Heck, ya think thats
 alot have ya ever priced a sphynx? $1500 to $3000
 for one thats get this totally hairless
 
 
 Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 How pricey? My purebred Blue Point Siamese was
 $100.
 
 What annoys me about this thread is not the dead
 cat
 part, but that, I don't *think* anyone has said
 anything of relevance. I read the entire site in
 English and it is absolutely fascinating. It
 differs
 from the Carthage plant in that it does not use
 high
 pressure and uses a lower temperture. It runs off
 its
 own fuel (needs 10% of it's diesel production to
 run).
 What a boon. With the current fuel crisis why
 aren't
 people all over this? It's clearly industrial, even
 on
 a small scale, but I'm thinking of forwarding the
 info
 to my state rep. Just think how easy it would be
 for
 cities to solve garbage disposal probs, etc.
 
 Christopher
 
 --- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sorry guys but this shit of using dead cats as
 fuel
  is just making me sick. I'm just a loyal pet
 owner
  of a pricy siamese named Raja and I doubt he
 would
  approve even in his demise
 
 
  Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  TimothyPilgrim wrote:
  
   Not so, in fact, perhaps PETA could be brought
  on-board with this
   idea! It's a win-win situation - they get to
 kill
  pets to save them
   from suffering, and we get to burn them in our
  cars!
  
  
 
 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/cgw054.html?.v=22
  
  Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.
  
  I'll see your newslink and raise you one:
  
 

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943ran=155298tref=po
  
 

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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel

2005-09-22 Thread andrew strasfogel
Diesel Purge - The Thinking Mercedes Driver's High Colonic.

On 9/21/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I love the coined terms - in addition to Doktor Booth
 fuel tonics we now have cathartics as well. What
 should we call Diesel Purge... an emetic? :-)

 Chris

 --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  David Brodbeck wrote:
   My car seemed to idle rougher on biodiesel than on
  petrodiesel. Anyone
   else seen this? It could have been just clogged
  filters, I suppose. I
   changed the inline filter halfway through, with no
  obvious change, but I
   didn't get around to changing the main filter
  until I had finished off
   the tank.
 
  Biodiesel is a better solvent that conventional
  petrodiesel (everything
  else being equal). All that needs to happen is for
  freed deposits to
  clog an injector nozzle, or even for a bit of carbon
  to loosen in a
  prechamber and the idle and noise can roughen up
  VERY noticeably. If
  it's cylinder specific you'll need to perform all
  the same diagnostics
  that you would any time the idle gets rough
  (determine which cylinder,
  etc). A few full pedal acceleration runs will clean
  up MANY
  carbon/coking problems. The main filter CAN be
  almost completely clogged
  without there being ANY evidence of the inline
  filter being discolored
  or occluded.
 
  But then there is also the quality and energy
  content of the base petro
  stock as well as the quality of the bio stock. With
  pure petro diesel,
  it's very common for the quality to vary greatly.
  Different batches of
  fuel (all meeting the minimum standards common in
  the US) to deliver
  economy that can vary over a more than 20% range
  (even more when winter
  additives are added) and can have a Cetane rating
  (Cetane is unrelated
  to power but is an indicator of ease of ignition)
  anywhere from 40-50.
  There is also the quality of the bio component.
  While I don't know
  this for sure, I expect it's far less tightly
  defined and controlled
  than the petro component.
 
  My own experience with biodiesel was rather good
  until a few weeks ago.
  Since then, the biodiesel I have been able to
  purchase has been of
  marginal quality, delivered poor economy and has
  been expensive to VERY
  expensive when compared to petrodiesel. I was ALMOST
  a believer. Now my
  enthusiasm has reverted to skepticism. Until
  Biodiesel of uniform and
  suitable quality can be reliably supplied at a price
  competitive with
  available petrodiesel, it will remain nothing more
  than a novelty that
  some might occasionally use as a fuel system
  cathartic.
 
  Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
LOL :-)

--- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Diesel Purge - The Thinking Mercedes Driver's High
 Colonic.
 
 On 9/21/05, Christopher McCann
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I love the coined terms - in addition to Doktor
 Booth
  fuel tonics we now have cathartics as well.
 What
  should we call Diesel Purge... an emetic? :-)
 
  Chris
 
  --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   David Brodbeck wrote:
My car seemed to idle rougher on biodiesel
 than on
   petrodiesel. Anyone
else seen this? It could have been just
 clogged
   filters, I suppose. I
changed the inline filter halfway through,
 with no
   obvious change, but I
didn't get around to changing the main filter
   until I had finished off
the tank.
  
   Biodiesel is a better solvent that conventional
   petrodiesel (everything
   else being equal). All that needs to happen is
 for
   freed deposits to
   clog an injector nozzle, or even for a bit of
 carbon
   to loosen in a
   prechamber and the idle and noise can roughen up
   VERY noticeably. If
   it's cylinder specific you'll need to perform
 all
   the same diagnostics
   that you would any time the idle gets rough
   (determine which cylinder,
   etc). A few full pedal acceleration runs will
 clean
   up MANY
   carbon/coking problems. The main filter CAN be
   almost completely clogged
   without there being ANY evidence of the inline
   filter being discolored
   or occluded.
  
   But then there is also the quality and energy
   content of the base petro
   stock as well as the quality of the bio stock.
 With
   pure petro diesel,
   it's very common for the quality to vary
 greatly.
   Different batches of
   fuel (all meeting the minimum standards common
 in
   the US) to deliver
   economy that can vary over a more than 20% range
   (even more when winter
   additives are added) and can have a Cetane
 rating
   (Cetane is unrelated
   to power but is an indicator of ease of
 ignition)
   anywhere from 40-50.
   There is also the quality of the bio
 component.
   While I don't know
   this for sure, I expect it's far less tightly
   defined and controlled
   than the petro component.
  
   My own experience with biodiesel was rather good
   until a few weeks ago.
   Since then, the biodiesel I have been able to
   purchase has been of
   marginal quality, delivered poor economy and has
   been expensive to VERY
   expensive when compared to petrodiesel. I was
 ALMOST
   a believer. Now my
   enthusiasm has reverted to skepticism. Until
   Biodiesel of uniform and
   suitable quality can be reliably supplied at a
 price
   competitive with
   available petrodiesel, it will remain nothing
 more
   than a novelty that
   some might occasionally use as a fuel system
   cathartic.
  
   Marshall
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   questions)
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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Bucks2
I thought it interesting that the newsies emphasize the gulf coast produces 
25% of our DOMESTIC product.  (my emphasis on domestic) My question is, what 
percentage is that of our total consumption? They seem to think that there is 
a severe shortage, but I seem to remember that domestic production is a small 
part of our consumption. Anyone have the real numbers?

Ken


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At the risk of igniting a flame war, I would point out that most of the
companies operating platforms in the Gulf shut them down before Rita passed
Key West.  It takes a couple of days to shut everything down, button it up
and get the crews off.  Also takes a couple of days to get them back out
there and light off the equipment, IF it isn't damaged.  As far as the oil
market goes, that's pretty much run by a bunch of traders in button down
shirts at the NYMEC, and if they get panicked, the price goes up.

Royce Engler
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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread andrew strasfogel
PLEASE - anyone have the wbesite to find cheap local diesel prices? TIA,
 Andrew
1983 300TD (running on fumes)

 On 9/21/05, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I filled up this morning, actually about 30 cents cheaper than when I
 last filled up a week or so ago. I am guessing the refineries are going
 to get whacked real bad. A lot of my neighbors are getting out tonight,
 we are going to ride it out. Houston is a madhouse right now.

 --R

 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Fuel prices just shot up again. Its really pathetic, it goes up 15
 cents overnight and the damn hurricane has not even hit yet.
 
 


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[MBZ] Affirmative action?

2005-09-22 Thread Bucks2
Hm.. sounds like every political party I've ever heard of. Doesn't 
every politician clean house when he arrives and put in his cronies? I wasn't 
going to mention Al Gore's name but since he came up... Oh, that's 
right, he created the internet. That's why he was qualified to be VP. ;-)

Ken

In a message dated 9/22/2005 4:38:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unfortunately this
administration has seen a return to something of the old spoils
system, where government jobs are given as rewards to people who are
politically loyal, not to the people who are best qualified.


Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread tom savage

andrew strasfogel wrote:


PLEASE  - anyone have the wbesite to find cheap local diesel prices?  TIA,


http://washingtondcgasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D

You can check all of the US and Canadia by city or state/province at 
http://gasbuddy.com/


Tom
Just filled up at $2.54



[MBZ] : Request Opinion on Political Issue

2005-09-22 Thread Roger Conlon

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:27:13 -0700
From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Request Opinion on Political Issue
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Craig McCluskey wrote:
 George Bush did not cause the Governor of Louisiana to
 refuse to give permission to the Feds to help.

This has been repeated enough that people assume it's true, but AFAIK it
isn't.  If you can provide me a source that says otherwise, I'd
appreciate seeing it.

There's a pretty well documented timeline here:
http://www.factcheck.org/article348.html
According to it, Blanco asked Bush to declare a state of emergency two
days before the storm hit, on August 27, and he did so.  On August 29
she asked him again for help.  Not exactly the actions of someone trying
to keep the feds out.

While Bush isn't personally responsible for FEMA's slow response, I do
hold him responsible for appointing an incompetant political hack with
no disaster response experience to head the agency.  Unfortunately this
administration has seen a return to something of the old spoils
system, where government jobs are given as rewards to people who are
politically loyal, not to the people who are best qualified.




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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Bucks2
I think you have a good point. People are eager to raise the price and take 
the profit but reluctant to lower the price if they can still make profit. 
That's what just about everyone I know does. The grocer, the laborer and the 
McParts house all do the same thing. When NAPA raises their prices do they sell 
all 
the old stock at the old price? Have you wondered about the carpenter who 
can't make it back to your job until maybe friday? He found a job that pays 
more 
than yours does and he's making hay while the sun shines.

At the time I had my gas station, prices were just topping $1.00. When I 
bought gasoline it was a cash transaction. The oil company wanted paid when 
they 
delivered. So sometimes my investment made really good money and sometimes I 
wasn't making the standard .10 per gallon, in order to keep selling. 

Ken


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] here we go again
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David Brodbeck wrote:
 
 I suppose they'd argue they're just charging their replacement cost --
 what it'll cost to replace the gas you're buying.

Makes sense, if you sell the contents of your storage tanks for $2.60 
just so you can pay $2.70 to refill them tomorrow, you'd be better
off just closing the store for a day and leaving the tanks full. 
The fact that you paid $2.50 for what's in the tanks now is
irrelevant. OTOH, some merchants are too resistant for selling
the $2.70 stuff for $2.60 when the wholesale goes back down to $2.50. 
So what you see is prices going down 1-2 cents per price change,
and up 20 cents all at once.


Re: [MBZ] Affirmative action?

2005-09-22 Thread Mitch Haley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hm.. sounds like every political party I've ever heard of. Doesn't 
 every
 politician clean house when he arrives and put in his cronies?

Well, the dems seem to be better at it. The repubs do it, but not as much, 
especially
at the lower levels. The result is the bureaucracy tends to be more 
dem-leaning. 
(not that there's a whole lot of difference between the two)



Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Ron Dwelle
I called around town the other day to check on fuel prices. Every 
station I talked to said, Sorry, we cannot give out prices over the 
phone. I asked a couple of them why not, and they didn't know--just 
said it was the rule. Don't know if this is universal or just a recent 
development locally.


Ron Dwelle

On Sep 22, 2005, at 10:30 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

PLEASE  - anyone have the wbesite to find cheap local diesel prices?  
TIA,

 
Andrew
1983 300TD (running on fumes)




Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Ron Dwelle wrote:
 
 I called around town the other day to check on fuel prices. Every
 station I talked to said, Sorry, we cannot give out prices over the
 phone. 

Probably something new to deal with the new price sensitivity of
the consumer. A month ago, it was no big deal. Today, there might
be enough comparison shoppers to require the hiring of another
attendent to answer the phone if they didn't discourage the calls.



Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread TimothyPilgrim
The way I understand it, the German who the story was written about
had been interviewed by a less-than-respectable newspaper (i.e.
tabloid) and he was giving straight answers to questions about his
waste-disposal process. Then he was asked, almost jokingly I'd assume,
if his process could use dead animals for fuel. Suddenly the headline
was now that the crazy German processes dead cats for biofuel when he
was merely answering a hypothetical question.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 9/22/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow. I'm not crazy about seals, but I do like the
 chocolate points and have dibs on a kitten from the
 next littler of a beautiful choco pnt mom.

 ANYWAY, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT DEAD CATS IS STUPID!
 There is one place in the US that is using this
 technology and they are not confiscating cats or
 having prisoners pick up raodkill. They are hooked up
 with a butterball turkey plant in Carthage, MO. They
 will soon be processing ALL the guts and waste from
 that plant. If ANYONE bothered to look at the very
 informative links I posted, you will see that they are
 not after Fido, Raja and Rose but want to hook up with
 companies that have huge amounts of biomass to dispose
 of - think slaughterhouses, etc.

 Christopher

 --- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Mines a Seal Point and according to the latest
  prices for the bloodlines of the cat I have some
  spend upwards of $500 for them. Heck, ya think thats
  alot have ya ever priced a sphynx? $1500 to $3000
  for one thats get this totally hairless
 
 
  Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  How pricey? My purebred Blue Point Siamese was
  $100.
  
  What annoys me about this thread is not the dead
  cat
  part, but that, I don't *think* anyone has said
  anything of relevance. I read the entire site in
  English and it is absolutely fascinating. It
  differs
  from the Carthage plant in that it does not use
  high
  pressure and uses a lower temperture. It runs off
  its
  own fuel (needs 10% of it's diesel production to
  run).
  What a boon. With the current fuel crisis why
  aren't
  people all over this? It's clearly industrial, even
  on
  a small scale, but I'm thinking of forwarding the
  info
  to my state rep. Just think how easy it would be
  for
  cities to solve garbage disposal probs, etc.
  
  Christopher
  
  --- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Sorry guys but this shit of using dead cats as
  fuel
   is just making me sick. I'm just a loyal pet
  owner
   of a pricy siamese named Raja and I doubt he
  would
   approve even in his demise
  
  
   Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   TimothyPilgrim wrote:
   
Not so, in fact, perhaps PETA could be brought
   on-board with this
idea! It's a win-win situation - they get to
  kill
   pets to save them
from suffering, and we get to burn them in our
   cars!
   
   
  
  http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/cgw054.html?.v=22
   
   Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.
   
   I'll see your newslink and raise you one:
   
  
 
 http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943ran=155298tref=po
   
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Request Opinion on Political Issue

2005-09-22 Thread Alan Duff
Why don't you guys take this to one of the many political blogs on the 
web. They live to tell lies about politicans of the opposite political 
persuasion while hoping it will build up their side. Absolutely no one's 
mind is going to be changed by repeating the talking points of the day on 
this list.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN




Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Marshall Booth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought it interesting that the newsies emphasize the gulf coast 
produces 25% of our DOMESTIC product.  (my emphasis on domestic) My 
question is, what percentage is that of our total consumption? They seem 
to think that there is a severe shortage, but I seem to remember that 
domestic production is a small part of our consumption. Anyone have the 
real numbers?


I don't believe that domestic oil has accounted for even half of our oil 
consumption for 10 or more years. It's probably closer to 25-30% today. 
I do NOT have a recent reliable number but am assuming things have 
gotten worse rather than better.


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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Marshall Booth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought it interesting that the newsies emphasize the gulf coast 
produces 25% of our DOMESTIC product.  (my emphasis on domestic) My 
question is, what percentage is that of our total consumption? They seem 
to think that there is a severe shortage, but I seem to remember that 
domestic production is a small part of our consumption. Anyone have the 
real numbers?


In 2003 these figures were cited:


Almost 65% or 3.7 billion barrels of the total quantity of oil and natural gas 
liquids consumed by the US (6.5 billion) were imported.


It's closer to 70% in 2005 according to estimates I've seen. Domestic 
production is declining at a rate of 3-5% a year and domestic 
consumption is increasing by 5+% per year.


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Re: [MBZ] tesst

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

SEND MONEY

Steve MacSween wrote:


SEND TITLE!

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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

its a law, at least in OK it is.

Ron Dwelle wrote:

I called around town the other day to check on fuel prices. Every 
station I talked to said, Sorry, we cannot give out prices over the 
phone. I asked a couple of them why not, and they didn't know--just 
said it was the rule. Don't know if this is universal or just a recent 
development locally.


Ron Dwelle

On Sep 22, 2005, at 10:30 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

PLEASE  - anyone have the wbesite to find cheap local diesel prices?  
TIA,
 
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[MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
http://www.foxnews.com/index.html




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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
exactly - I thought of the Onion's version of the
story - how do you say onion in German?

CM

--- TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The way I understand it, the German who the story
 was written about
 had been interviewed by a less-than-respectable
 newspaper (i.e.
 tabloid) and he was giving straight answers to
 questions about his
 waste-disposal process. Then he was asked, almost
 jokingly I'd assume,
 if his process could use dead animals for fuel.
 Suddenly the headline
 was now that the crazy German processes dead cats
 for biofuel when he
 was merely answering a hypothetical question.
 
 Tim
 1982 300TD Moby
 
 On 9/22/05, Christopher McCann
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Wow. I'm not crazy about seals, but I do like the
  chocolate points and have dibs on a kitten from
 the
  next littler of a beautiful choco pnt mom.
 
  ANYWAY, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT DEAD CATS IS
 STUPID!
  There is one place in the US that is using this
  technology and they are not confiscating cats or
  having prisoners pick up raodkill. They are hooked
 up
  with a butterball turkey plant in Carthage, MO.
 They
  will soon be processing ALL the guts and waste
 from
  that plant. If ANYONE bothered to look at the very
  informative links I posted, you will see that they
 are
  not after Fido, Raja and Rose but want to hook up
 with
  companies that have huge amounts of biomass to
 dispose
  of - think slaughterhouses, etc.
 
  Christopher
 
  --- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Mines a Seal Point and according to the latest
   prices for the bloodlines of the cat I have some
   spend upwards of $500 for them. Heck, ya think
 thats
   alot have ya ever priced a sphynx? $1500 to
 $3000
   for one thats get this totally hairless
  
  
   Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   How pricey? My purebred Blue Point Siamese was
   $100.
   
   What annoys me about this thread is not the
 dead
   cat
   part, but that, I don't *think* anyone has said
   anything of relevance. I read the entire site
 in
   English and it is absolutely fascinating. It
   differs
   from the Carthage plant in that it does not use
   high
   pressure and uses a lower temperture. It runs
 off
   its
   own fuel (needs 10% of it's diesel production
 to
   run).
   What a boon. With the current fuel crisis why
   aren't
   people all over this? It's clearly industrial,
 even
   on
   a small scale, but I'm thinking of forwarding
 the
   info
   to my state rep. Just think how easy it would
 be
   for
   cities to solve garbage disposal probs, etc.
   
   Christopher
   
   --- Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Sorry guys but this shit of using dead cats
 as
   fuel
is just making me sick. I'm just a loyal pet
   owner
of a pricy siamese named Raja and I doubt he
   would
approve even in his demise
   
   
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
TimothyPilgrim wrote:

 Not so, in fact, perhaps PETA could be
 brought
on-board with this
 idea! It's a win-win situation - they get
 to
   kill
pets to save them
 from suffering, and we get to burn them in
 our
cars!


   
  
 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/cgw054.html?.v=22

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.

I'll see your newslink and raise you one:

   
  
 

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943ran=155298tref=po

   
  
 

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Re: [MBZ] is this thing for real?

2005-09-22 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 09:11:09PM -0500, OK Don wrote:
 You REALY need that for your paper route!
 I think I've seen a picture of a 115 wagon in a book, and remember
 reading about such things in the paper 115 manual - long ago. There
 was an ambulance version also -- --

Saw an ambulance 115 with euro lights at the reno air races. Had washington
collector plates on it.

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Re: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D

2005-09-22 Thread Royce Engler
This Texan will be fleeing in a 300TD, but only as far as Ft. Worth.  I
haven't figured out yet whether the gasoline shortages also include diesel
shortages.  In any case, I've got a full tank which will take me about 320
miles at highway speeds, less if I'm in stop and go.  Right now I'm waiting
for the I-45 traffic to thin out a bit.  I sent the wife, kids, and
grandkids ahead this morning and it took them about 7 hours...normally a 3
1/2 hour trip from here (25 miles north of Houston).

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D


http://www.foxnews.com/index.html




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Re: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D

2005-09-22 Thread LT Don
I'd be tempted to buy a couple of ten gallon fuel jugs, fill those up, and
put them into the back. Not like you'd be carrying gasoline or rocket fuel
back there.

On 9/22/05, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This Texan will be fleeing in a 300TD, but only as far as Ft. Worth. I
 haven't figured out yet whether the gasoline shortages also include diesel
 shortages. In any case, I've got a full tank which will take me about 320
 miles at highway speeds, less if I'm in stop and go. Right now I'm waiting
 for the I-45 traffic to thin out a bit. I sent the wife, kids, and
 grandkids ahead this morning and it took them about 7 hours...normally a 3
 1/2 hour trip from here (25 miles north of Houston).

 Royce Engler
 1985 300TD Turbo 265K



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 Subject: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D


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Re: [MBZ] is this thing for real?

2005-09-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Marshall Booth wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-Diesel-1974-220D-MBZ-Diesel-Wagon-Exceedingly-Rare-Euro-Model_W0QQitemZ4577410639QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Mercedes didn't make the chassis of wagons before the 123 TD as far as I 
can tell. The farmed that out to several other coach makers.


Marshall


I've confirmed what I recalled above. Before 1977 and production of the 
different T models (240TD, 300TD, 230T, 230TE, 250T, 250TE and 
eventually 280TE and 300TDt), production of Mercedes station 
wagons/ambulances/hearses was done by entirely by specialists like 
Christian Miesen, Binz  Co. and IMA.


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[MBZ] Diesel rustling story

2005-09-22 Thread Ron Dwelle

Here's an AP wire story:


http://makeashorterlink.com/?B308638DB


Ron Dwelle

[MBZ] Klann spring compressor on eBay

2005-09-22 Thread Dave M.
Thought someone might need this... current bid $199:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4576532589

:)

-Dave M.



Re: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D

2005-09-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Royce Engler wrote:

This Texan will be fleeing in a 300TD, but only as far as Ft. Worth.  I
haven't figured out yet whether the gasoline shortages also include diesel
shortages.  In any case, I've got a full tank which will take me about 320
miles at highway speeds, less if I'm in stop and go.  Right now I'm waiting
for the I-45 traffic to thin out a bit.  I sent the wife, kids, and
grandkids ahead this morning and it took them about 7 hours...normally a 3
1/2 hour trip from here (25 miles north of Houston).


Your 300TDt should with it's 70 liter fuel tank (including the 11 liter 
reserve) should allow you to travel 460 miles (@ 25 mpg) or 370 miles @ 
20 mpg.


Happy trails!

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Re: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
ROYCE, I hope and pray that all goes well for you and
your family.


Now, this is a perfect example of why I am glad I did
some of those strange tests on the 240D...you can
stretch your range by bringing along, in addition to
what D2 you can find, kero, ATF, motor oil, veggie oil
(at costco, the 35 pound jug is not much more than
diesel anyway), lamp oil (probably harder to find than
standard fuel in such a situation)...probably won't
have much luck getting aviation diesel at the airport.

I recall one person saying that I would never add that
kind of stuff to my car unless the situation had
reached mad max proportions - well, for a bunch of
TX dieselers, it's getting VERY close. 

A perfect scenario for those WVO-ers who have on board
filtration - while half of TX is in line for gas, you
pull up to Ching-Chong's Buffet and fill up.

Christopher 






--- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd be tempted to buy a couple of ten gallon fuel
 jugs, fill those up, and
 put them into the back. Not like you'd be carrying
 gasoline or rocket fuel
 back there.
 
 On 9/22/05, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This Texan will be fleeing in a 300TD, but only as
 far as Ft. Worth. I
  haven't figured out yet whether the gasoline
 shortages also include diesel
  shortages. In any case, I've got a full tank which
 will take me about 320
  miles at highway speeds, less if I'm in stop and
 go. Right now I'm waiting
  for the I-45 traffic to thin out a bit. I sent the
 wife, kids, and
  grandkids ahead this morning and it took them
 about 7 hours...normally a 3
  1/2 hour trip from here (25 miles north of
 Houston).
 
  Royce Engler
  1985 300TD Turbo 265K
 
 
 
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  Subject: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a
 300?D
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D

2005-09-22 Thread John M McIntosh
On the VW TDI list there was various reports from Louisiana about  
folks getting diesel without

waiting in line or having supply problems etc,
guess there there are way fewer diesels so supply isn't a problem.  
Can't speak for Texas with

perhaps the desire for monster dually diesel F350s everywhere...


On 22-Sep-05, at 11:47 AM, Royce Engler wrote:

This Texan will be fleeing in a 300TD, but only as far as Ft.  
Worth.  I
haven't figured out yet whether the gasoline shortages also include  
diesel
shortages.  In any case, I've got a full tank which will take me  
about 320
miles at highway speeds, less if I'm in stop and go.  Right now I'm  
waiting

for the I-45 traffic to thin out a bit.  I sent the wife, kids, and
grandkids ahead this morning and it took them about 7  
hours...normally a 3

1/2 hour trip from here (25 miles north of Houston).

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K


John
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Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread John M McIntosh
I know here in Canada a year or more back my son needed to know  
current gas prices for a home work project.
My wife called the local chevron station and got the same line, she  
then phone around and discovered they *all* refused to tell her,  
company policies they said.


On 22-Sep-05, at 8:12 AM, Ron Dwelle wrote:


I called around town the other day to check on fuel prices. Every
station I talked to said, Sorry, we cannot give out prices over the
phone. I asked a couple of them why not, and they didn't know--just
said it was the rule. Don't know if this is universal or just a recent
development locally.

Ron Dwelle

On Sep 22, 2005, at 10:30 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

PLEASE  - anyone have the wbesite to find cheap local diesel prices?
TIA,

Andrew
1983 300TD (running on fumes)



John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)





Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread John M McIntosh
I was reading that they recently banned putting cow remains in  
chicken food after the mad cow in Texas because
someone pointed out the chickens toss/scratch the food about down  
into the floor which is then swept up
and the bird dung/feathers/bits/deadcowbits get ground up and made  
into cow food.


So the disposal methods for cow remains is becoming more limited so  
it would appear someone is waking up to the issue

and realizing they have another solution.

PS grass feed cattle from SW Alberta please on our table...

On 22-Sep-05, at 7:24 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:





ANYWAY, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT DEAD CATS IS STUPID!
There is one place in the US that is using this
technology and they are not confiscating cats or
having prisoners pick up raodkill. They are hooked up
with a butterball turkey plant in Carthage, MO. They
will soon be processing ALL the guts and waste from
that plant. If ANYONE bothered to look at the very
informative links I posted, you will see that they are
not after Fido, Raja and Rose but want to hook up with
companies that have huge amounts of biomass to dispose
of - think slaughterhouses, etc.

Christopher



John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)





Re: [MBZ] here we go again

2005-09-22 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that Ron wrote:

 I called around town the other day to check on fuel prices. Every 
 station I talked to said, Sorry, we cannot give out prices over the 
 phone. I asked a couple of them why not, and they didn't know--just 
 said it was the rule. Don't know if this is universal or just a recent 
 development locally.

Along about 20 years ago, the station I work at would often get calls
from the competition asking for prices on fuel, soda, etc. Store policy
was to never quote prices over the 'phone.

Philip, who's glad that job didn't last very long.



Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
sheep offal was banned from cattle feed years ago
becuase of fears that the sheep version of mad cow
would jump over to cows. All mammals have a version of
mad cow disease (bovine spongiform
encephalopathy)...in people it's called
Krutzfeld-Jacob Disease (spelling certainly wrong)
disease which also has a variant disease. 

People have been warned of eating squirrel brains (a
delicacy in some places in the US) for fear of the
squirrel version jumping over to humans. All that
said, there is NO evidence that the various variants
from one animal can infect another type of mammal, nor
is there evidence it can't - so they err on the side
of safety.

Since a Benz is not a mammal, it's not a problem! :-)

Christopher

Christopher

--- John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I was reading that they recently banned putting cow
 remains in  
 chicken food after the mad cow in Texas because
 someone pointed out the chickens toss/scratch the
 food about down  
 into the floor which is then swept up
 and the bird dung/feathers/bits/deadcowbits get
 ground up and made  
 into cow food.
 
 So the disposal methods for cow remains is becoming
 more limited so  
 it would appear someone is waking up to the issue
 and realizing they have another solution.
 
 PS grass feed cattle from SW Alberta please on our
 table...
 
 On 22-Sep-05, at 7:24 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:
 
 
  ANYWAY, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT DEAD CATS IS
 STUPID!
  There is one place in the US that is using this
  technology and they are not confiscating cats or
  having prisoners pick up raodkill. They are hooked
 up
  with a butterball turkey plant in Carthage, MO.
 They
  will soon be processing ALL the guts and waste
 from
  that plant. If ANYONE bothered to look at the very
  informative links I posted, you will see that they
 are
  not after Fido, Raja and Rose but want to hook up
 with
  companies that have huge amounts of biomass to
 dispose
  of - think slaughterhouses, etc.
 
  Christopher
 
 
 John
 1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
 1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
 
 
 
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[MBZ] Reno air races

2005-09-22 Thread Bucks2
How'd I miss that? Must have been hiding behind a DC3 or something.

Ken
Box A17

In a message dated 9/22/2005 1:03:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] is this thing for real?
To: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list
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Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 09:11:09PM -0500, OK Don wrote:
 You REALY need that for your paper route!
 I think I've seen a picture of a 115 wagon in a book, and remember
 reading about such things in the paper 115 manual - long ago. There
 was an ambulance version also -- --

Saw an ambulance 115 with euro lights at the reno air races. Had washington
collector plates on it.

K


Re: [MBZ] Klann spring compressor on eBay

2005-09-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Dave M. wrote:
 
 Thought someone might need this... current bid $199:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4576532589

Are those the big plates or rhe small plates?



Re: [MBZ] Diesel rustling story

2005-09-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Maybe it's time to fill up my overhead tank with water.



[MBZ] Carfax VIN check?

2005-09-22 Thread Sunil Hari
Can anyone with an open Carfax account run the following VIN:

waucb88d1va212174

Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread John Ervine

Christopher McCann wrote:

...in people it's called
Krutzfeld-Jacob Disease (spelling certainly wrong)
disease which also has a variant disease. 


Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease.  Prions scare me...

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi



Re: [MBZ] Diesel rustling story

2005-09-22 Thread Tom Hargrave
Hang a huge diesel sign on the front while you are at it. Maybe you'll
attract a few rustlers.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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Maybe it's time to fill up my overhead tank with water.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel rustling story

2005-09-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote:
 
 Hang a huge diesel sign on the front while you are at it. Maybe you'll
 attract a few rustlers.

Painted Diesel on it during the first attack on Iraq (1990) to
scare off gas thieves. Not only would the bastids siphon your
truck, they'd throw away the gas cap. I figure warning them
not to put diesel in their cars would remove any temptation
I might have to set fire to any car found nearby with diesel
in the tank.



Re: [MBZ] Reno air races

2005-09-22 Thread Kevin
Parked outside the gates in a parking lot by an attendee of the races. It
was there both saturday and sunday, about two blocks west of the first 
set of gates. It was in a parking lot that allowed camping, so he might have
stayed there overnight.

There wasn't a fine mist of soot all over the back, so I assumed it was a
250 or 280 as opposed to a diesel.

K


On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 04:07:27PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How'd I miss that? Must have been hiding behind a DC3 or something.
 
 Ken
 Box A17
 
 In a message dated 9/22/2005 1:03:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] is this thing for real?
 To: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 09:11:09PM -0500, OK Don wrote:
  You REALY need that for your paper route!
  I think I've seen a picture of a 115 wagon in a book, and remember
  reading about such things in the paper 115 manual - long ago. There
  was an ambulance version also -- --
 
 Saw an ambulance 115 with euro lights at the reno air races. Had washington
 collector plates on it.
 
 K

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Re: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D

2005-09-22 Thread Rich Thomas
I went out this morning in Houston to do a few errands. It was like an 
early Sunday morning, no one on the streets, some stores still open, 
most gas stations closed/out of gas.  The grocery store up the street 
was busy, had a lot of stuff, probably be free meat and frozen stuff 
come Sunday when the power is out. 

My corner convenience was out of gas but had diesel so I filled up 
Brunnhilde, not sure why but I suppose the price will be higher next 
week anyway.  A guy in a Golf TDI pulled up after me.  Looks like 
everyone is either hunkered down or stuck on a freeway trying to get out 
of town.  I got no interest in trying to go anywhere else, might as well 
ride it out here.


Neighbor reports that some guy was trying to get into a vacated house 
this morning in his brother's neighborhood not far from us, was dealt 
some 12g Texas learnin' by a neighbor and decided it was a better idea 
to vamos quickly than persist in his evil ways.


--R

Royce Engler wrote:


This Texan will be fleeing in a 300TD, but only as far as Ft. Worth.  I
haven't figured out yet whether the gasoline shortages also include diesel
shortages.  In any case, I've got a full tank which will take me about 320
miles at highway speeds, less if I'm in stop and go.  Right now I'm waiting
for the I-45 traffic to thin out a bit.  I sent the wife, kids, and
grandkids ahead this morning and it took them about 7 hours...normally a 3
1/2 hour trip from here (25 miles north of Houston).

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K



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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] 1.3 million flee TX - one in a 300?D


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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Chuck Landenberger


On Sep 22, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:


exactly - I thought of the Onion's version of the
story - how do you say onion in German?

CM




Chris,

ZWEIBEL   IIRC, pronounced zveebel..  or maybe sveebel

Take care,

Chuck



Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Don Teresa Merriman
Have you ever wondered why it´s called PMS?
Cuz Mad Cow Disease was already used!

On 9/22/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sheep offal was banned from cattle feed years ago
 becuase of fears that the sheep version of mad cow
 would jump over to cows. All mammals have a version of
 mad cow disease (bovine spongiform
 encephalopathy)...in people it's called
 Krutzfeld-Jacob Disease (spelling certainly wrong)
 disease which also has a variant disease.

 People have been warned of eating squirrel brains (a
 delicacy in some places in the US) for fear of the
 squirrel version jumping over to humans. All that
 said, there is NO evidence that the various variants
 from one animal can infect another type of mammal, nor
 is there evidence it can't - so they err on the side
 of safety.

 Since a Benz is not a mammal, it's not a problem! :-)

 Christopher

 Christopher

 --- John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  I was reading that they recently banned putting cow
  remains in
  chicken food after the mad cow in Texas because
  someone pointed out the chickens toss/scratch the
  food about down
  into the floor which is then swept up
  and the bird dung/feathers/bits/deadcowbits get
  ground up and made
  into cow food.
 
  So the disposal methods for cow remains is becoming
  more limited so
  it would appear someone is waking up to the issue
  and realizing they have another solution.
 
  PS grass feed cattle from SW Alberta please on our
  table...
 
  On 22-Sep-05, at 7:24 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:
  
 
   ANYWAY, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT DEAD CATS IS
  STUPID!
   There is one place in the US that is using this
   technology and they are not confiscating cats or
   having prisoners pick up raodkill. They are hooked
  up
   with a butterball turkey plant in Carthage, MO.
  They
   will soon be processing ALL the guts and waste
  from
   that plant. If ANYONE bothered to look at the very
   informative links I posted, you will see that they
  are
   not after Fido, Raja and Rose but want to hook up
  with
   companies that have huge amounts of biomass to
  dispose
   of - think slaughterhouses, etc.
  
   Christopher
  
 
  John
  1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
  1992 300TDt 148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
  1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
interestingly, the German inventor was asked if all
priones were destroyed in the process. He said yes.

Chris

--- John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Christopher McCann wrote:
  ...in people it's called
  Krutzfeld-Jacob Disease (spelling certainly wrong)
  disease which also has a variant disease. 
 
 Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease.  Prions scare me...
 
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 1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
 1980 300TD 170+kmi
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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
thanks - I think the pronunciation would be svibel
(long i).

CM

--- Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Sep 22, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Christopher McCann
 wrote:
 
  exactly - I thought of the Onion's version of the
  story - how do you say onion in German?
 
  CM
 
 
 
 Chris,
 
 ZWEIBEL   IIRC, pronounced zveebel.. 
 or maybe sveebel
 
 Take care,
 
 Chuck
 
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Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel

2005-09-22 Thread Christopher McCann
I might be laughing, but for fear of women lurkers, I
am totally offended!  :-)

Chris

--- Don  Teresa Merriman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Have you ever wondered why it´s called PMS?
 Cuz Mad Cow Disease was already used!
 
 On 9/22/05, Christopher McCann
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  sheep offal was banned from cattle feed years ago
  becuase of fears that the sheep version of mad cow
  would jump over to cows. All mammals have a
 version of
  mad cow disease (bovine spongiform
  encephalopathy)...in people it's called
  Krutzfeld-Jacob Disease (spelling certainly wrong)
  disease which also has a variant disease.
 
  People have been warned of eating squirrel brains
 (a
  delicacy in some places in the US) for fear of the
  squirrel version jumping over to humans. All that
  said, there is NO evidence that the various
 variants
  from one animal can infect another type of mammal,
 nor
  is there evidence it can't - so they err on the
 side
  of safety.
 
  Since a Benz is not a mammal, it's not a problem!
 :-)
 
  Christopher
 
  Christopher
 
  --- John M McIntosh
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   I was reading that they recently banned putting
 cow
   remains in
   chicken food after the mad cow in Texas because
   someone pointed out the chickens toss/scratch
 the
   food about down
   into the floor which is then swept up
   and the bird dung/feathers/bits/deadcowbits get
   ground up and made
   into cow food.
  
   So the disposal methods for cow remains is
 becoming
   more limited so
   it would appear someone is waking up to the
 issue
   and realizing they have another solution.
  
   PS grass feed cattle from SW Alberta please on
 our
   table...
  
   On 22-Sep-05, at 7:24 AM, Christopher McCann
 wrote:
   
  
ANYWAY, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT DEAD CATS IS
   STUPID!
There is one place in the US that is using
 this
technology and they are not confiscating cats
 or
having prisoners pick up raodkill. They are
 hooked
   up
with a butterball turkey plant in Carthage,
 MO.
   They
will soon be processing ALL the guts and waste
   from
that plant. If ANYONE bothered to look at the
 very
informative links I posted, you will see that
 they
   are
not after Fido, Raja and Rose but want to hook
 up
   with
companies that have huge amounts of biomass to
   dispose
of - think slaughterhouses, etc.
   
Christopher
   
  
   John
   1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
   1992 300TDt 148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
   1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] Affirmative action?

2005-09-22 Thread LT Don
Bull.

On 9/22/05, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, the dems seem to be better at it. The repubs do it, but not as much,
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax VIN check?

2005-09-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Vehicle Snapshot
Vehicle 1997 Audi A4 Quattro
VIN WAUCB88D1VA212174
Body Style 4 Door Sedan
Country of Manufacture Germany


Vehicle History Checklist
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 Title Check
Your vehicle checks out!

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Junk No Junk Records Found
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Salvage No Salvage Records Found


 Problem Check
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Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Records Found
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 Vehicle History Records
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insurance, DMV, and auto auction information and found the following 28 
records for this 1997 AUDI A4 QUATTRO. Note the highlighted rows for 
potential issues that could affect the value of this vehicle.


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1997-06-09 OH 42 title
1997-06-10 cincinnati, OH  registration event/renewal
1997-12-22 cincinnati, OH  registration event/renewal
1999-02-17 cincinnati, OH  registration event/renewal
1999-11-24 OH  passed emission inspection
1999-12-10 cincinnati, OH  registration event/renewal
2000-08-22 OH  passed emission inspection
2000-09-15 cincinnati, OH 22200 title
2000-09-19 amelia, OH 22310 title
2000-09-26 amelia, OH  registration event/renewal
2000-10-27 KY  front impact with another vehicle
2000-10-27 KY  air bag deployed
2001-04-16 amelia, OH  registration event/renewal
2001-04-16 OH  passed emission inspection
2002-04-30 amelia, OH  registration event/renewal
2003-06-13 amelia, OH  registration event/renewal
2003-06-13 OH 76000 passed emission inspection
2004-03-02 cincinnati, OH  vehicle in dealer inventory
2004-04-09 OH  passed emission inspection
2004-04-23 cincinnati, OH 87624 title
2004-04-26 west chester, OH 87774 title
2004-04-29 west chester, OH  registration event/renewal
2005-02-12 west chester, OH  title
2005-02-12 west chester, OH  duplicate title
2005-02-19 delaware, OH 103472 title
2005-02-24 delaware, OH  title
2005-02-24 delaware, OH  corrected title
2005-03-14 delaware, OH  registration event/renewal


Glossary of Descriptions Found for This Vehicle (full glossary)
Description Full Definition

Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV.
Renewal Vehicle had registration renewal event reported by state DMV.
Passed Emission Inspection Vehicle passed the state emission inspection.


Odometer Reading from Auto Dealer Odometer reading was provided by an 
independent source from an auto dealer.

Corrected Title Vehicle had a corrected title issued by DMV.

 Highlights
Highlights from our Editors' Review of the 1996-2001 Audi A4
The following summary includes recall and trouble spot information for 
several model years of this vehicle. Only information labeled 
1996-2001 applies to this vehicle.


Consumer Guide Rating
N/A


Pros
Ride, Handling, Build quality, Optional all-wheel drive, 
Automatic-transmission performance



Cons
Rear-seat room, Steering feel
Road Test Scores
Performance 5
Fuel Economy 4
Ride Quality 5
Steering/Handling/Braking 6
Quietness 5
Controls/Materials 6
Interior Room 5
Room/Comfort (rear) 2
Cargo Capacity 3
Value within Class 4
(all scores out of 10)

NHTSA Safety Ratings
Front Impact, Driver 4
Front Impact, Passenger 5
(all scores out of 5)
 Recalls
Check with the seller to ensure that the recall work was completed on 
these items.



1996: Horn may work only intermittently, due to insufficient electrical 
ground contact.



1996-97: Discharge of static electricity in low-humidity conditions can 
activate driver's airbag when driver enters or exits car.



1996-97: The plastic ignition switch housing can 

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