Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[R A Bennell]

So, I'm curious. What sort of a filter setup did you use to clean the
solvent in the parts washer? I have one that gets to settle each winter. I
should drain it in the spring and scoop out the grease that will have
settled to the bottom. The thought of a filter however is interesting.

Randy B

-Original Message-



For many years some toilet paper filter set-ups have been making the
claim that they have the ability to lower soot content. The only
thing that I have used toilet paper for (other than its original
intended purpose), was to filter the solution in my Safety-Kleen
parts washer. It definitely extended the life of the solvent 2-3x. I
liked Scott better than Charmin. It stayed together longer.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

They will usually start as if nothing is wrong if only 1 cylinder is low.

Luther Gulseth wrote:


If it's the turbo seal, will that burn in the exhaust or leak out?

That's what has me confused the most.  The car starts in the cold (down to 
10-15 degrees) as easily as could be expected when using Delo 400 and there are 
no major drops or smells of oil coming from the engine bay.

Luther

~Valve steam seals will not be your problem. Reasons are: #1 on diesel there
~is no vacuum in intake, thus turbo pressure would blow air into valve cover
~not suck oil into intake. #2 valve guide seals will have most leakage after
~parking, 1Qt every 300 miles is excessive. 
~

~I would bet dollars to donuts that the only way to get that high oil
~consumption and still have a diesel start in morning (good compression) is
~to have a bad turbo seal. 
~
~Trampas 
~






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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[Brian Chase]

Respectfully, I'd submit that the bike trails can be used for transportation 
too. If I can do it in Minnesota year round, a lot of other people could 
too. However, most people wouldn't be caught dead on a bicycle - that's for 
kids and losers. I do realize that not everyone has the capability of riding 
though, and that's fine. Just had to put in two cents for the virtue of 
trails. We think they enhance a community.


We are for a good commuter train system too. Though decidedly against cargo 
trains and the like going through town and across highways, bringing them to 
a halt. When a train comes, there is no way around. Hate that feeling. Guess 
it's a good excuse to be late for work. Hmmm.


Brian
83 240D

Lynn wrote:

Only some type of train system would avoid getting stuck in traffic, and 
this

state has been happily ripping out an extensive RR track system for the last
40 years, turning them into cutesy bike trails for recreation.


From: ms.300SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:44:30 -0800

Hey Hendrik,
I'd ride public transportation to the city to work IF it was efficient, and
better than driving a personal car.  Meaning, here, public transportation
means that you get on a bus near your home, then ride that bus, and likely
transferring to another bus in order to get to your place of employment for
the day.  The bus travels part of it's trip on suburban roads, and part of
it's trip on the freeway.  Unfortunately, during rush hour, the bus gets
stuck in traffic just like a car, and then there is no benefit to taking a
bus.  Also the bus stops every few blocks, and so there's more time 
wastage,

not to mention the time you spend standing around waiting for the bus to
come.

What the brainwaves in Washington state fail to understand is that people
will not take the bus to work as long as it gets stuck in traffic.  Only
some type of train system would avoid getting stuck in traffic, and this
state has been happily ripping out an extensive RR track system for the 
last

40 years, turning them into cutesy bike trails for recreation.  We used to
have an extensive train and trolley system in Seattle.  On the old downtown
streets, you can see where the train tracks used to be All over!

Well, HELLO!  We needed those for transportation!  Look at the "Sounder"
train, it's popularity has beensteadily growing, more trains added, people
love it!  It's just a crying shame that so much rail has been ripped
out.

Anyway, it's not an elitist thing, it's an efficiency thing.  It's why I
HATE riding buses.

Lynn in WA
Victoria, '85 300SD 200K

On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the explanation.
> Obviously it is similar over here with people living in the burbs and
> driving to the city. However the reason is mostly that it is a better
> place
> to raise kids than the central concrete jungle. That I can understand 
but

> why a single person or childless couple would want to live in the
> outskirts
> and commute everyday is a little beyond me.
> I suppose the reason people don't use public transport is because they
> don't
> want to meet the public.
>
> Hendrik
> in the burbs but not commuting
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
>
>
> > Hendrik,
> >
> > "Bedroom Communities" are located in city suburbs where people live,
> > but only sleep/live.  The work in the city.  Unfortunately, too many
> > of them commute by car and have a distain for public transportation
> > or it is not sufficient to serve all of the suburbs (as is the case
> > here in Phoenix Arizona where employment centers are not centrally
> > located.)  Perhaps the term "bedroom communities" is unique to US.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:28 PM, LT Don wrote:
> >
> >> What I was trying to say -- and not saying it too well -- is that
> >> certain
> >> parts of Dale City are "rough neighborhoods." Crime happens almost
> >> anywhere,
> >> but it is more likely some places than in other places, based on
> >> history.
> >>
> >> On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you going to show up with a load of parts to sell?

Rusty Cullens wrote:


No, but I'll be sellin' them.



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Re: [MBZ] microfiche information goldmine on eBay

[l02turner]

I'll be interested to see how it goes - I have a set - but without the fancy 
MB notebooks that I'd dearly love to sell for that much!  And my set 
includes the older cars as well as the 600.  There's some really cool stuff 
in them  but it;s really cumbersome to browse it.


Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info
- Original Message - 
From: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] microfiche information goldmine on eBay



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8041250208
I don't think it'll sell for that price

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Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I dont think valve seals will cause that kind of burn.  I would look for 
a low cylinder, or maybe the turbo is dumping oil into the system.  How 
much blowby do you have?


Luther Gulseth wrote:


How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn?  My 
coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about 1qt/300mi.  The 
ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each day) will only have 2-4 
tiny drops of oil, the rear underside, bumper, and backend of my coupe are dry 
and clean.  While on my SD (I know it's leaking from the turbo return pipe and 
braided line) the rear bumper and trunk shows oil splatter.  I've read the 
manual *.pdf's (05-270, 05-235, and 05-250) and it seems to be an easy job and 
the parts are less than $25 from Rusty.  Any thoughts on this?  TIA all,



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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay warning

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

if somebody asks a question you may have to sign in, which is what 
fooled me.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry you got snookered - I've come to the conclusion that eBay *never* 
sends emails requiring a response.  The only valid emails I from them are 
only to tell me that my acccount is about to be charged.


Also, they *always* address me as "Dear Mr. Turner, - never by my sign on 
name and never as "Dear eBay customer".   Also, if there's anything 
misspelled, it's guaranteed to be a spoof.  Suggest you forward it to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - that gets it on record, in case they were able to take 
advantage of you somehow, but it sounds like you changed your.PW quickly 
enough to prevent damage.


Good luck -- those crooks are pretty ingenious.



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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well the okieQ is a special event.  Im sure we will come up with 
something special for a side event.


Christopher McCann wrote:


any special events like last year?
  
  Chris
  

"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  OkieQ 2006 will be Saturday June 17th.  This is THE official 
striplin.net event of the year open to ALL members of striplin.net 
mailing lists and forums.  Anybody who is anybody shows up for these 
things.  Lots of good food, good people and good cars.  It will be held 
in beautiful Claremore, OK at the home the okiebenz empire.  This is 
your big chance to come and see more Mercedes in a single location and 
put names with faces.  If you have never been to one you dont know what 
you have been missing.  If you plan on coming send me your info ASAP 
offlist so I can get a list of attendees going.  Will also get some 
hotel info together for folks as well.


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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[ms . 300SD]

Hey Hendrik,
I'd ride public transportation to the city to work IF it was efficient, and
better than driving a personal car.  Meaning, here, public transportation
means that you get on a bus near your home, then ride that bus, and likely
transferring to another bus in order to get to your place of employment for
the day.  The bus travels part of it's trip on suburban roads, and part of
it's trip on the freeway.  Unfortunately, during rush hour, the bus gets
stuck in traffic just like a car, and then there is no benefit to taking a
bus.  Also the bus stops every few blocks, and so there's more time wastage,
not to mention the time you spend standing around waiting for the bus to
come.

What the brainwaves in Washington state fail to understand is that people
will not take the bus to work as long as it gets stuck in traffic.  Only
some type of train system would avoid getting stuck in traffic, and this
state has been happily ripping out an extensive RR track system for the last
40 years, turning them into cutesy bike trails for recreation.  We used to
have an extensive train and trolley system in Seattle.  On the old downtown
streets, you can see where the train tracks used to be All over!

Well, HELLO!  We needed those for transportation!  Look at the "Sounder"
train, it's popularity has beensteadily growing, more trains added, people
love it!  It's just a crying shame that so much rail has been ripped
out.

Anyway, it's not an elitist thing, it's an efficiency thing.  It's why I
HATE riding buses.

Lynn in WA
Victoria, '85 300SD 200K

On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the explanation.
> Obviously it is similar over here with people living in the burbs and
> driving to the city. However the reason is mostly that it is a better
> place
> to raise kids than the central concrete jungle. That I can understand but
> why a single person or childless couple would want to live in the
> outskirts
> and commute everyday is a little beyond me.
> I suppose the reason people don't use public transport is because they
> don't
> want to meet the public.
>
> Hendrik
> in the burbs but not commuting
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"
>
>
> > Hendrik,
> >
> > "Bedroom Communities" are located in city suburbs where people live,
> > but only sleep/live.  The work in the city.  Unfortunately, too many
> > of them commute by car and have a distain for public transportation
> > or it is not sufficient to serve all of the suburbs (as is the case
> > here in Phoenix Arizona where employment centers are not centrally
> > located.)  Perhaps the term "bedroom communities" is unique to US.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:28 PM, LT Don wrote:
> >
> >> What I was trying to say -- and not saying it too well -- is that
> >> certain
> >> parts of Dale City are "rough neighborhoods." Crime happens almost
> >> anywhere,
> >> but it is more likely some places than in other places, based on
> >> history.
> >>
> >> On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> 1977 240D
> >> 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
> >> 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> >>
> >> http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
> >> ___
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Brian Chase]

Guys, I'm in the same boat - but - it seems that the problem is not the 
tumbler, rather the thingie that causes the column to lock (a rod is it?)


I bought and attempted to install a new tumbler. It is a different body 
though, and didn't seem like it would fit. Will have to see if dealer will 
make right for giving me wrong part.


The point is: it really donesn't seem that the tumbler is the problem. My 
indie said it is often the locking rod, (which is spendy of course) and this 
makes sense to me.


The tumbler actuates quite nicely, but if the wheel is ever bumped into lock 
position, it's locksville. I have said many a fervent prayer that it would 
unlock and not leave me stranded, facing the hundreds of dollars the list 
has warned me about.


The times that it has successfully unlocked, it usually was when I was 
turning the wheel back and forth against the locks concurrent with twisting 
the key back and forth. Most recently, I developed the technique of rapidly 
kicking the bottom of the column while turning the wheel and twisting the 
key. (and praying)


My solution WAS: when I turn off the engine, just don't turn it back all the 
way - to where the thing can lock. This way I can simply leave the key in 
and lock the doors for short errands and remove the tumbler for long 
errands.


My solution became: I quickly realized that the key must be turned all the 
way back to zero every time one wants to run the starter. So now when I turn 
off the engine, I first make sure the wheel isn't turned, and thus doesn't 
want to turn back on its own and lock; I find the middle position in the 
slop of the wheel, and hold it steady there; I turn the key off, but not all 
the way; I quickly turn it to position zero, then back to position one all 
in half a second. Thus I have satisfied its requirement, and am ready for 
next time (sometimes I think I feel it want to lock on me even in that split 
second). I can now either lock the key in the car, or pull the tumbler out.


Works for me, Wife hates it.

My brother and came up with the thought: Could you drill or file another 
notch in the tumbler body (the chrome part that faces driver) so that a pin 
could be inserted when the key is in zero position, rather than having to be 
in position two? This seems like it would allow removal of tumbler, and 
would unlock tumbler, but might not unlock a locked column? Thoughts? (Other 
than just buy the new part).


Also: Was it Luther that said to drip ATF down into it? Are you saying to 
drip some into the ignition hole while the tumbler is out? This is 
intriguing, as I've wondered if it might be the mechanism back in there that 
is causing the problem. What is the consensus?


Brian
83 240D



From: Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:42:31 -0500

Also, take a small tube and drip some ATF down into the mechanism for the 
ignition.  This was required on my Coupe after I installed a new tumbler.


Luther

~Conventional wisdom is to order a new tumbler before disaster strikes.
~
~On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
~>
~> I seems that the key in the ignition is starting to get a bit hard to 
turn

~> every now and then (well it sort of sticks and a bit more pressure is
~> required to turn it all the way), is there a recommended lubrication
~method?
~> Or is the key starting to wear?
~>
~> Hendrik
~> with 84 230E
~
~
~




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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Hendrik Riessen]

Yeah but that costs money, I'll try lubricating (thanks Luther) and another 
key before doing the right thing.
Hang on, bugger it the ashtray is full as well might as well buy another 
car:-)


Hendrik
who had a lead on a cheap 190D 2.5 but it was sold by the time I got around 
there and it only had 217k kmhs


- Original Message - 
From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock



Conventional wisdom is to order a new tumbler before disaster strikes.

On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I seems that the key in the ignition is starting to get a bit hard to 
turn

every now and then (well it sort of sticks and a bit more pressure is
required to turn it all the way), is there a recommended lubrication 
method?

Or is the key starting to wear?

Hendrik
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[Hendrik Riessen]

Thanks for the explanation.
Obviously it is similar over here with people living in the burbs and 
driving to the city. However the reason is mostly that it is a better place 
to raise kids than the central concrete jungle. That I can understand but 
why a single person or childless couple would want to live in the outskirts 
and commute everyday is a little beyond me.
I suppose the reason people don't use public transport is because they don't 
want to meet the public.


Hendrik
in the burbs but not commuting

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"



Hendrik,

"Bedroom Communities" are located in city suburbs where people live,
but only sleep/live.  The work in the city.  Unfortunately, too many
of them commute by car and have a distain for public transportation
or it is not sufficient to serve all of the suburbs (as is the case
here in Phoenix Arizona where employment centers are not centrally
located.)  Perhaps the term "bedroom communities" is unique to US.

Take care,

Chuck


On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:28 PM, LT Don wrote:


What I was trying to say -- and not saying it too well -- is that
certain
parts of Dale City are "rough neighborhoods." Crime happens almost
anywhere,
but it is more likely some places than in other places, based on
history.

On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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Re: [MBZ] picked up a cheap 77 300D today

[Bob Rentfro]

Now you can bump your jams, yo.

Bob Rentfro


- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Banned List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes mailing list" 
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Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: [MBZ] picked up a cheap 77 300D today



Was that cheap one on ebay.  Engine runs GREAT.  Not sure about the
tranny.  Tried to go in reverse, and can get it moving forward after a
while.  Going to change the filter etc and see what happens.  Body is
trashed.  Belonged to a college kid.  When I popped open the truck I was
stunned.  The pane behind the fuel tank was filled with probably 2 grand
worth of equalizers, crossovers etc.  They had nice speakers mounted in
each the front doors(ruined door panels though).  Then I looked up the
front seats and noticed there were HUGE 12" woofers installed under each
from seat.  Holy cow, never seen anything like that before.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: THE DEVIL,,,WHY I BELEEEEV IN THE DEATH PENALTY

[BillR]

Hendrik - A bedroom community [a term in use for many years] refers to a
suburban area that has only housing and the occasional grocery, pharmacy and
neighborhood shop.  Such a community does not have any industrial base and
is dependent on the nearby city for services to the community and the jobs
that pay the bills.  My assumption is that the phenomena really started
after WWII [somebody check me on this].  
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  272k Delvac

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I am not quite sure what you are getting at, are you inferring that only
lower socio economic communities have these types of things happen? It could
be argued that poorer people use sex as entertainment more than affluent
people but to generalise that only "blue collar" people have this sort of
thing happen is a bit shaky.
Of course I could argue that "white collar" communities have murders with
money as the motive more so than blue collar.
And what is a "bedroom community"? I have not heard that term before and I
am too lazy to go searching on the net. Then again do I want to know?

Hendrik
who tries not to classify people but rather look at the character of the
individual

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>I can see something like that happening in Dale City. It is the blue collar
> part of Woodbridge VA. I used to live in the "yuppie" part, Lake Ridge, 
> for
> almost a decade. A bedroom community of military folks and government
> workers.
>
>
>
>
>
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[MBZ] picked up a cheap 77 300D today

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Was that cheap one on ebay.  Engine runs GREAT.  Not sure about the 
tranny.  Tried to go in reverse, and can get it moving forward after a 
while.  Going to change the filter etc and see what happens.  Body is 
trashed.  Belonged to a college kid.  When I popped open the truck I was 
stunned.  The pane behind the fuel tank was filled with probably 2 grand 
worth of equalizers, crossovers etc.  They had nice speakers mounted in 
each the front doors(ruined door panels though).  Then I looked up the 
front seats and noticed there were HUGE 12" woofers installed under each 
from seat.  Holy cow, never seen anything like that before.

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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[Loren Faeth]

"Twice as long as
Parsifal, but not half as funny" when describing something that is truly,
and I mean monumentally, monotonous.


Anything "Der Schwimmer" says fits this description! 

Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[Rich Thomas]

No, a special showing of "Brokeback Mountain" on the outdoor big screen, 
given its Oklahoma roots and general appeal..


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:


Special gala at the Claremore Opera House featuring a performance (in
German, of course) of Wagner's Parsifal.  For the uninitiated, Parsifal is
5+ hrs. long, counting intermissions.  This opera, due to its length and
entertainment value, has given birth to the expression "Twice as long as
Parsifal, but not half as funny" when describing something that is truly,
and I mean monumentally, monotonous.


On 2/27/06, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


any special events like last year?

Chris


"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  OkieQ 2006 will be
Saturday June 17th.  This is THE official
striplin.net event of the year open to ALL members of striplin.net
mailing lists and forums.  Anybody who is anybody shows up for these
things.  Lots of good food, good people and good cars.  It will be held
in beautiful Claremore, OK at the home the okiebenz empire.  This is
your big chance to come and see more Mercedes in a single location and
put names with faces.  If you have never been to one you dont know what
you have been missing.  If you plan on coming send me your info ASAP
offlist so I can get a list of attendees going.  Will also get some
hotel info together for folks as well.
--
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89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Loren Faeth]

>On these diesels merely putting the piston in the right place
>will usually do the job, or so I hear.

yeah, but it is much easier to take out the cam so you can get to the 
valves easily.  that is where the air comes in.  You DON'T want to be 
dropping valves into the cylinders, unless you are planning to take off the 
head anyway.  but if you are going to do that, then the seals are put on 
after they valves, seats and guides are reconditioned.



At 04:00 PM 2/27/2006, you wrote:

>   You will need to employ some method of keeping the valves from
> falling into the engine. Constant air pressure is the best way to
> accomplish this.

On these diesels merely putting the piston in the right place
will usually do the job, or so I hear.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[Jim Cathey]

Come on Jim, you don't *really* want it anyway do you?


Well, I thought I could maybe fix it up a bit, turn it over,
and pay for our health insurance for a month or two.

I _personally_ have no need of it.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Jim Cathey]

You will need to employ some method of keeping the valves from
falling into the engine. Constant air pressure is the best way to
accomplish this.


On these diesels merely putting the piston in the right place
will usually do the job, or so I hear.

-- Jim

[MBZ] microfiche information goldmine on eBay

[Luther Gulseth]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8041250208
I don't think it'll sell for that price

-- 
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Alma, Ark 
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (159,222 kmi) 
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] sagging rear 126

[Loren Faeth]

New subframe mounts.  New Bilsteins will help some.  I still remember the 
change new Bilsteins made in my 200D years ago.  On 110/111 I could tell by 
driving them if they had Bilsteins or junk (anything else)  The gas 
pressure in the shock does exert upward pressure on each mounting point.


At 09:20 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote:

yea, but it needs shocks, it rides about like a buick.

Kevin wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:22:03AM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>>no bodies etc.  Its a 420 so no SLS.  It has always been my thought that
>>if its sagging its usually the subframe mounts etc but wondered if
>>REALLY REALLY worn out shocks could also cause a sag.
>
>
> Is this regina's car that she thinks is a stellar example of what a
> car should be?
>
> K
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Bedroom Communities"

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hendrik,

"Bedroom Communities" are located in city suburbs where people live,  
but only sleep/live.  The work in the city.  Unfortunately, too many  
of them commute by car and have a distain for public transportation  
or it is not sufficient to serve all of the suburbs (as is the case  
here in Phoenix Arizona where employment centers are not centrally  
located.)  Perhaps the term "bedroom communities" is unique to US.


Take care,

Chuck


On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:28 PM, LT Don wrote:

What I was trying to say -- and not saying it too well -- is that  
certain
parts of Dale City are "rough neighborhoods." Crime happens almost  
anywhere,
but it is more likely some places than in other places, based on  
history.


On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Marshall Booth]

John Berryman wrote:

On Feb 27, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:


My OM60x engines running on Mobil/Delvac 1 tend to get noisy when soot
levels approach 2%, but that's not sufficiently reliable to use as a
change indicator. When the lifters get noisy, I often find the  
engine is

due/overdue for an oil change. I don't have any first hand knowledge
about how OM61x engines behave (I've never personally used M-1 in an
OM61x engine), but I've been told they often get noisier.

Marshall



	Have you ever noticed an engine seeming to run better after an oil  
change?


Almost always!

Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Luther Gulseth]

Also, take a small tube and drip some ATF down into the mechanism for the 
ignition.  This was required on my Coupe after I installed a new tumbler.

Luther

~Conventional wisdom is to order a new tumbler before disaster strikes.
~
~On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
~>
~> I seems that the key in the ignition is starting to get a bit hard to turn
~> every now and then (well it sort of sticks and a bit more pressure is
~> required to turn it all the way), is there a recommended lubrication 
~method?
~> Or is the key starting to wear?
~>
~> Hendrik
~> with 84 230E
~
~
~




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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (159,222 kmi) 
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[LT Don]

Conventional wisdom is to order a new tumbler before disaster strikes.

On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I seems that the key in the ignition is starting to get a bit hard to turn
> every now and then (well it sort of sticks and a bit more pressure is
> required to turn it all the way), is there a recommended lubrication method?
> Or is the key starting to wear?
>
> Hendrik
> with 84 230E
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[MBZ] Sticky ignition lock

[Hendrik Riessen]

I seems that the key in the ignition is starting to get a bit hard to turn 
every now and then (well it sort of sticks and a bit more pressure is required 
to turn it all the way), is there a recommended lubrication method? Or is the 
key starting to wear?

Hendrik
with 84 230E

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: THE DEVIL,,,WHY I BELEEEEV IN THE DEATH PENALTY

[LT Don]

What I was trying to say -- and not saying it too well -- is that certain
parts of Dale City are "rough neighborhoods." Crime happens almost anywhere,
but it is more likely some places than in other places, based on history.

On 2/27/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: THE DEVIL,,,WHY I BELEEEEV IN THE DEATH PENALTY

[Hendrik Riessen]

I am not quite sure what you are getting at, are you inferring that only 
lower socio economic communities have these types of things happen? It could 
be argued that poorer people use sex as entertainment more than affluent 
people but to generalise that only "blue collar" people have this sort of 
thing happen is a bit shaky.
Of course I could argue that "white collar" communities have murders with 
money as the motive more so than blue collar.
And what is a "bedroom community"? I have not heard that term before and I 
am too lazy to go searching on the net. Then again do I want to know?


Hendrik
who tries not to classify people but rather look at the character of the 
individual


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From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: THE DEVIL,,,WHY I BELV IN THE DEATH PENALTY



I can see something like that happening in Dale City. It is the blue collar
part of Woodbridge VA. I used to live in the "yuppie" part, Lake Ridge, 
for

almost a decade. A bedroom community of military folks and government
workers.





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Re: [MBZ] filtration

[RELNGSON]

<>

What are you on about here? MB has used spin-on filters in the past.

With the abandonment of FSS, the '05 and later cars use a fixed 13K mile 
change using M1 0W40 with a fleece filter cartridge. And on shutdown, the 
filter 
drains completely, no waiting.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Morning sluggishness

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I can't have the block heater on for more than about 2 hours as the  
battery I use to power it only has 110ah of capacity and I don't  
want to ruin its life by totally flattening it. See I live in a 3rd  
floor walkup and have nowhere to plug in. So I lug the battery  
down, stick it in the trunk, hook up the inverter and plug in the  
car. Works pretty slick for what it is. I only need it a half dozen  
times a year, it comes in handy if the power goes out too.


  We're going to look at a house this weekend so hopefully soon  
this problem will be a thing of the past.


  -Curt



	Good luck with the house. life may get a little easier for you when  
110 is available.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] CGT clutch

[RELNGSON]

<>

The pictures were taken by a PCA friend in OKC as the dealer tech did the 
work.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Drooling over a carrera GT clutch

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 3:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've held one of those carbon-ceramic clutch assemblies in my hands  
and it is
indeed impressive. Glad to see that the part has come down from the  
original

$14k.

No. I don't think he will drive it much differently. Anyone who  
drives a

$440K car daily has to be severely bucks-up, anyway.

BTW, replacing a fuel level sender takes much more disassembly of  
the car.


RLE



	I think I'll just stick with MB diesels. I'm not affluent so I  
shudder when I hear prices like that. I should get factory trained  
and go work at a Porche dealer. The drooling would probably subside  
after a few months.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] Subject: Re: Morning sluggishness

[Curt Raymond]

I can't have the block heater on for more than about 2 hours as the battery I 
use to power it only has 110ah of capacity and I don't want to ruin its life by 
totally flattening it. See I live in a 3rd floor walkup and have nowhere to 
plug in. So I lug the battery down, stick it in the trunk, hook up the inverter 
and plug in the car. Works pretty slick for what it is. I only need it a half 
dozen times a year, it comes in handy if the power goes out too.
   
  We're going to look at a house this weekend so hopefully soon this problem 
will be a thing of the past.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:45:02 -0500
From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Morning 
sluggishness  To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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 I would suggest more like 3 hours on the block heater. Although I  
haven't plugged anything in so far, this Winter as the temps have  
been above average. My Euro 190D 2.5 doesn't have a block  
heater.yet and started every time I asked it to. Albeit  
reluctantly a couple of times.
 I have a dedicated hardwired timer for the block heaters. I plug  
them in at night when the forecast threatens below zero temps and let  
the timer do its thing. This way I don't have to get up any earlier  
and I save my bones from that chilly eye-opener.
 I bought an Intermatic mechanical timer at Lowes, they also carry  
the digital version which looks the same from the outside. I have no  
reason for choosing one over the other.
 I have also had success with a timer that plugs into a wall outlet.  
These are a low cost viable alternative and all that I've seen have a  
15amp rating, which is more than sufficient.
 I still have a couple of cars with 617.952s running M 1 15-50 in  
them, I'd be comparing apples to oranges when it comes to cranking  
speeds though as the 601 and 602 engines both have Amsoil 5w-40.  
Until now all I used was M1 15-50 in all of them.
 Try putting a quart of dino 5w-30 and 1 M 1 15-50 outside tonight  
and compare the pouring properties in the morning. I did this with  
different viscosities of both dino and synthetics at -27F a couple of  
years ago and the 15-50 syn poured right out. The dino 5w-30 didn't  
pour, rather it needed to be squeezed out like toothpaste. I found no  
reason to even break the seal on the other in between oils, as I was  
satisfied by checking the two extremes.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Drooling over a carrera GT clutch

[RELNGSON]

<<   Do you think it's abnormal for someone to drool while looking at car 
parts? I bet the driver will try to be a little easier on the new 
clutch. You'd hope so with all that work and .>>

I've held one of those carbon-ceramic clutch assemblies in my hands and it is 
indeed impressive. Glad to see that the part has come down from the original 
$14k.

No. I don't think he will drive it much differently. Anyone who drives a 
$440K car daily has to be severely bucks-up, anyway.

BTW, replacing a fuel level sender takes much more disassembly of the car.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Curt Raymond]

*Scratches head* Walt, I agree that oil is cheaper than metal, but if the oil 
isn't used up what possible advantage could you get in changing it early?
  I mean do whatever you want to do but it seems like changing your oil way 
early like that is about like pulling money out of your wallet and lighting it 
on fire for what good you get out of it.
   
  I'm trying to come up with a good analogy for this. My first thought was 
would you get rid of shoes that still had a third of their life left and I 
realized most people do. Then I would you get rid of a car that still had life 
left, and I realized most people do that too.
  Oh, heres one, would you get rid of the milk in the fridge just because it 
was "old"? If it hasn't gone bad theres nothing wrong with it and nothing to be 
gained from getting rid of it early...
   
  I'm talking about your short change Delo here, I'm with you on your Mobil 1 
change rate.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:28:45 -0800
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Subject: [MBZ]  ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering
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I?m with Marshall on this one.  I tested my new 603 engine 
4
times and at 5000 miles I came up with 1.8% on the soot with M1 and the 
way
I drive.
Just as a point of reference, before I changed to M1 I was 
using
Delo 400 and was changing at 2000 miles and in all those tests
at the 2000 mile mark my soot level was between 0.1 and 
0.2%.
Yes, I know OVERKILL??But oil is cheaper than metal and I like to 
change
oil.

Walt Lasher
Seattle
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On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:27 AM, Jeff Zedic wrote:

> You'll like the drive to Johnny B's place! Especially that last hill!!
>
> Jeff Zedic


Italian tune-up territory!!.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

*Hand raised* our own Larry T sells oil analysis services. I've so  
far only tested my Dodge but will start testing the 190D when it  
hits 5,000 miles on this oil. Of course to do that I'll need to  
order some more test kits. At $55 for 3 I don't consider it a major  
expense. He's got nifty bellows samplers that draw the sample up  
the dipstick hole all clean and easy like.


  The Dakota doesn't get driven enough so it has significant fuel  
contaminating the oil so the last change was at around 8,000 miles.  
I've been trying to take it to work once a week or so to help get  
longer durations. I'm not too concerned, it does have 185kmi on it.


  -Curt



	Yes I have used Larry and OAI. The bellows sampler is a great idea.  
I wonder how long it would take to change your oil with one of those?


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Luther Gulseth]

If it's the turbo seal, will that burn in the exhaust or leak out?

That's what has me confused the most.  The car starts in the cold (down to 
10-15 degrees) as easily as could be expected when using Delo 400 and there are 
no major drops or smells of oil coming from the engine bay.

Luther

~Valve steam seals will not be your problem. Reasons are: #1 on diesel there
~is no vacuum in intake, thus turbo pressure would blow air into valve cover
~not suck oil into intake. #2 valve guide seals will have most leakage after
~parking, 1Qt every 300 miles is excessive. 
~
~I would bet dollars to donuts that the only way to get that high oil
~consumption and still have a diesel start in morning (good compression) is
~to have a bad turbo seal. 
~
~Trampas 
~



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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Curt Raymond]

*Hand raised* our own Larry T sells oil analysis services. I've so far only 
tested my Dodge but will start testing the 190D when it hits 5,000 miles on 
this oil. Of course to do that I'll need to order some more test kits. At $55 
for 3 I don't consider it a major expense. He's got nifty bellows samplers that 
draw the sample up the dipstick hole all clean and easy like.
   
  The Dakota doesn't get driven enough so it has significant fuel contaminating 
the oil so the last change was at around 8,000 miles. I've been trying to take 
it to work once a week or so to help get longer durations. I'm not too 
concerned, it does have 185kmi on it.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:42:02 -0500
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On Feb 27, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Ed Booher wrote:

> Wait ... let me understand ... you drive 15K miles between oil
> changes, without problem or worry, and feel good about it?  (Meaning,
> once you've verified an engine is in top shape and ready to roll in
> your fleet, you trust that it's good)
 
 Yes, Yes and Yes again. The engine does not necessarily need to be  
in "top shape", but more importantly it should be consistent in the  
way it runs.
 Many factors can and do contribute to oil breaking down or becoming  
saturated with impurities. For example a leaky injector can cause  
test results to change dramatically. As long as my engines remain  
consistent, I do a round of analysis, testing 3 times at 5,000 mile  
increments and re-testing after 60,000 miles (in my case this equals  
4 oil changes). My test results have been very close in comparison.  
The 617s, build up soot faster than the 601/602s, so I think I can  
safely say that they are more efficient.

>
> Even after being here a while, I didn't know some listers were going
> so long between changes. I'm a little wowed over here

 Everyone who uses oil analysis to determine their oil change  
intervals, raise your hand!

  You'll also be surprised to see how many just blindly pour in the  
good stuff and change it when they think the time is right.
 Savings can be realized by extending oil change intervals when  
compared to conventional oils changed at 3-5,000 miles.
 I would venture to say that most here on the list have never sent in  
oil samples for analysis and change their synthetic oil way too soon,  
benefitting from the protection but not saving any money. Oil  
analysis costs less than 1/2 of a synthetic oil change. Testimonials  
anyone?

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[Rusty Cullens]

No, but I'll be sellin' them.

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Are we singing the parts?

Bob Rentfro


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006


That would be cool, but I have a hunch it's not really on the agenda :-)

  Chris

andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Special gala at the 
Claremore Opera House featuring a performance (in
German, of course) of Wagner's Parsifal.  For the uninitiated, Parsifal
is
5+ hrs. long, counting intermissions.  This opera, due to its length and
entertainment value, has given birth to the expression "Twice as long as
Parsifal, but not half as funny" when describing something that is
truly,
and I mean monumentally, monotonous.


On 2/27/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
>
> any special events like last year?
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:  OkieQ 2006 will be
> Saturday June 17th.  This is THE official
> striplin.net event of the year open to ALL members of striplin.net
> mailing lists and forums.  Anybody who is anybody shows up for these
> things.  Lots of good food, good people and good cars.  It will be
held
> in beautiful Claremore, OK at the home the okiebenz empire.  This is
> your big chance to come and see more Mercedes in a single location and
> put names with faces.  If you have never been to one you dont know
what
> you have been missing.  If you plan on coming send me your info ASAP
> offlist so I can get a list of attendees going.  Will also get some
> hotel info together for folks as well.
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
> 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
> 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> http://www.striplin.net
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Re: [MBZ] TV for Mac

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:23 PM, George Gregory wrote:


Ratman...

Expect an email from Penoff.  Suttles fixed you up with him



A date? I'm touched.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Luther Gulseth]

Yes, I do see the smoke and do not keep the oil level above the midway mark 
between Add and Max.  I usually let it drop to the Add mark or slightly below 
before I add 1 or 2 quarts.  I'll check it the next day and usually it's nearly 
exactly at the middle of the add/max.

Luther

~
~On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
~
~
~
~   You will need to employ some method of keeping the valves from  
~falling into the engine. Constant air pressure is the best way to  
~accomplish this.
~   I would do a little diagnostic work before throwing parts at it in  
~hopes of solving a problem. There are so many things that can cause  
~excessive consumption. Usually you will find several contributing  
~factors.
~   Valve seals are not a simple little job either. Essentially, you  
~will be tearing down the head while its mounted on the block. Are you  
~seeing blue smoke? You should using a Qt/300 miles. Do you keep the  
~level 1/2 way between the add and full lines. This really does make a  
~big difference.
~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am
~




-- 
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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (159,222 kmi) 
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Trampas]

Valve steam seals will not be your problem. Reasons are: #1 on diesel there
is no vacuum in intake, thus turbo pressure would blow air into valve cover
not suck oil into intake. #2 valve guide seals will have most leakage after
parking, 1Qt every 300 miles is excessive. 

I would bet dollars to donuts that the only way to get that high oil
consumption and still have a diesel start in morning (good compression) is
to have a bad turbo seal. 

Trampas 

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On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:

> How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil 
> burn?  My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a
> leak) about 1qt/300mi.  The ground under my car at work (assigned 
> parking-same each day) will only have 2-4 tiny drops of oil, the
> rear underside, bumper, and backend of my coupe are dry and clean.   
> While on my SD (I know it's leaking from the turbo return pipe and 
> braided line) the rear bumper and trunk shows oil splatter.  I've read 
> the manual *.pdf's (05-270, 05-235, and 05-250) and it seems to be an 
> easy job and the parts are less than $25 from Rusty.  Any thoughts on 
> this?  TIA all,
>
> --
> Luther KB5QHU


You will need to employ some method of keeping the valves from  
falling into the engine. Constant air pressure is the best way to  
accomplish this.
I would do a little diagnostic work before throwing parts at it in  
hopes of solving a problem. There are so many things that can cause  
excessive consumption. Usually you will find several contributing  
factors.
Valve seals are not a simple little job either. Essentially, you  
will be tearing down the head while its mounted on the block. Are you  
seeing blue smoke? You should using a Qt/300 miles. Do you keep the  
level 1/2 way between the add and full lines. This really does make a  
big difference.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:

How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of  
oil burn?  My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a  
leak) about 1qt/300mi.  The ground under my car at work (assigned  
parking-same each day) will only have 2-4 tiny drops of oil, the  
rear underside, bumper, and backend of my coupe are dry and clean.   
While on my SD (I know it's leaking from the turbo return pipe and  
braided line) the rear bumper and trunk shows oil splatter.  I've  
read the manual *.pdf's (05-270, 05-235, and 05-250) and it seems  
to be an easy job and the parts are less than $25 from Rusty.  Any  
thoughts on this?  TIA all,


--
Luther KB5QHU



	You will need to employ some method of keeping the valves from  
falling into the engine. Constant air pressure is the best way to  
accomplish this.
	I would do a little diagnostic work before throwing parts at it in  
hopes of solving a problem. There are so many things that can cause  
excessive consumption. Usually you will find several contributing  
factors.
	Valve seals are not a simple little job either. Essentially, you  
will be tearing down the head while its mounted on the block. Are you  
seeing blue smoke? You should using a Qt/300 miles. Do you keep the  
level 1/2 way between the add and full lines. This really does make a  
big difference.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[Ed Booher]

Come on Jim, you don't *really* want it anyway do you?

On 2/27/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > *I* have the contact info  Muhahahahahaah! But I'm talking to the
> > owner to determine rustability right now
>
> Poo.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:


My OM60x engines running on Mobil/Delvac 1 tend to get noisy when soot
levels approach 2%, but that's not sufficiently reliable to use as a
change indicator. When the lifters get noisy, I often find the  
engine is

due/overdue for an oil change. I don't have any first hand knowledge
about how OM61x engines behave (I've never personally used M-1 in an
OM61x engine), but I've been told they often get noisier.

Marshall



	Have you ever noticed an engine seeming to run better after an oil  
change?


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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[Bob Rentfro]

Are we singing the parts?

Bob Rentfro


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006


That would be cool, but I have a hunch it's not really on the agenda :-)

 Chris

andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Special gala at the 
Claremore Opera House featuring a performance (in

German, of course) of Wagner's Parsifal.  For the uninitiated, Parsifal is
5+ hrs. long, counting intermissions.  This opera, due to its length and
entertainment value, has given birth to the expression "Twice as long as
Parsifal, but not half as funny" when describing something that is truly,
and I mean monumentally, monotonous.


On 2/27/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:


any special events like last year?

Chris


"Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:  OkieQ 2006 will be
Saturday June 17th.  This is THE official
striplin.net event of the year open to ALL members of striplin.net
mailing lists and forums.  Anybody who is anybody shows up for these
things.  Lots of good food, good people and good cars.  It will be held
in beautiful Claremore, OK at the home the okiebenz empire.  This is
your big chance to come and see more Mercedes in a single location and
put names with faces.  If you have never been to one you dont know what
you have been missing.  If you plan on coming send me your info ASAP
offlist so I can get a list of attendees going.  Will also get some
hotel info together for folks as well.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[Christopher McCann]

That would be cool, but I have a hunch it's not really on the agenda :-)
  
  Chris

andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Special gala at the Claremore 
Opera House featuring a performance (in
German, of course) of Wagner's Parsifal.  For the uninitiated, Parsifal is
5+ hrs. long, counting intermissions.  This opera, due to its length and
entertainment value, has given birth to the expression "Twice as long as
Parsifal, but not half as funny" when describing something that is truly,
and I mean monumentally, monotonous.


On 2/27/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
>
> any special events like last year?
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:  OkieQ 2006 will be
> Saturday June 17th.  This is THE official
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> your big chance to come and see more Mercedes in a single location and
> put names with faces.  If you have never been to one you dont know what
> you have been missing.  If you plan on coming send me your info ASAP
> offlist so I can get a list of attendees going.  Will also get some
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Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Really? I keep forgetting to use 5th, I've gotten so used to a 4spd  
after 50kmi. I'm probably going an extra 10-15 miles out of my 80  
mile round trip commute in 4th when I could be in 5th. I figure  
thats 50-75 miles a week. If I want best fuel economy I need to be  
driving more gently and getting into 5th at about 50mph right?


  -Curt



	On flat ground that would be feasible although the engine would be  
rather unresponsive to your right foot. On hilly terrain you'd want  
to keep the revs in the sweet spot to avoid lugging.
	I drove a 2.2 5spd for a long time, great combination. I love 1st  
being so low that you need not increase rpms on take off, they're  
near impossible to stall. Humming along nicely at 80-90 in 5th. I  
don't recall top speed but it was noteworthy for such a small power  
plant.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[Jim Cathey]

*I* have the contact info  Muhahahahahaah! But I'm talking to the
owner to determine rustability right now


Poo.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness

[Jim Cathey]

I would suggest more like 3 hours on the block heater. Although I


Around here between 1 and two hours seems to be the point beyond
which extra heating time makes no difference.  Colder, and three
hours could well be needed.


I have a dedicated hardwired timer for the block heaters.


Mine is on X10 with the rest of the household junk.  But now that
I don't work I don't ever bother to plug the car in unless I'm
going to go somewhere, and that's never all that early.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006

[andrew strasfogel]

Special gala at the Claremore Opera House featuring a performance (in
German, of course) of Wagner's Parsifal.  For the uninitiated, Parsifal is
5+ hrs. long, counting intermissions.  This opera, due to its length and
entertainment value, has given birth to the expression "Twice as long as
Parsifal, but not half as funny" when describing something that is truly,
and I mean monumentally, monotonous.


On 2/27/06, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> any special events like last year?
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  OkieQ 2006 will be
> Saturday June 17th.  This is THE official
> striplin.net event of the year open to ALL members of striplin.net
> mailing lists and forums.  Anybody who is anybody shows up for these
> things.  Lots of good food, good people and good cars.  It will be held
> in beautiful Claremore, OK at the home the okiebenz empire.  This is
> your big chance to come and see more Mercedes in a single location and
> put names with faces.  If you have never been to one you dont know what
> you have been missing.  If you plan on coming send me your info ASAP
> offlist so I can get a list of attendees going.  Will also get some
> hotel info together for folks as well.
> --
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> 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
> 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
> 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> http://www.striplin.net
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and "Red" Devils

[Jim Cathey]

I just discovered the joys of the plastic-headed key. The one I just 
bought
broke on me. It was at night, and I assumed the metal of the key had 
broken.

Later I realized that the metal does not extend up into the bulk of the
handle. Real smart.


My key for my wife's 450 SL (the for-sale one) was what came with it,
and it broke out of the plastic head.  I bought a new plastic head
from PP, but it never really fit right and flexed too much.  Highly
unsatisfactory.  So I welded the key to a steel washer.  Stout!
Ugly, but stout.

My wife has the bought-from-dealer key.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Ebay warning

[l02turner]

Hi John,
Sorry to hear about your Identity Theft experience!  I have read it's also 
possible to have each of the credit agencies place a flag on your account so 
the agency will call *you* before issuing credit to anyone using your info. 
Don't know is they follow thru on this request (like your 2 ID thing) but 
it's supposed to help.


It's a scary world - especially since many of us are using the net to 
conduct so much business.


HTH's

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay warning




On Feb 27, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Got an email today, message from ebay member, asking a question.
Looked
like the standard thing you would get from ebay.  Sometimes people
block
their email addresses so it doesnt show up for you to simply
respond to,
  so you have to click on the respond button in the email which takes
you to ebay to send the message thru them.  Well this one required
clicking the respond button and responding thru ebay.  This one
took me
to a page to sign in(which sometimes happens) and looks like ebay.
Well
I signed in and immediatly realized it was NOT ebay.  Right away I
changed my password.  I looked at the email again and the link
button to
repond was in fact NOT ebay.  The site and the email all looked VERY
convincing but the font in the mail was just slighly different.  I get
dozens of spoof messages a week from scammer but I have NEVER been
fooled until now.  This is the first time I have seen it so you better
watch out and make sure any links you click on really go to ebay.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK



I had a similar experiences with e-bay and PayPal phishing scams.
The web sites appear to be legit but are not. Apparently some of the
scammers are using a font set that appear to the eye to be the same
as real McCoy. They use the same spelling but to a computer the font
means something else. Clicking on the link directs you to the
scamming site. They look real convincing. I have taken the advice
found on e-bay's and PayPals security/protection pages and type the
URL into my browser rather than taking the short-cut and clicking the
link.
These scammers are pretty resourceful. Be careful, its easy to get
screwed. I had someone do an identity theft on me last year. They ran
up over $30,000 on my accounts, of which I was required to pay
nothing as I make sure I use gold or platinum cards that provide
protection against this.
The thieves were not caught as far as I know and it took over 9
months to clean up the mess they left me in. I spent countless
hours,  more like days and weeks, setting things straight. All my
accounts are password protected and all merchants are supposed to ask
me for an additional 2 pieces of ID when I make a purchase. I find
that only about 25% of merchants follow this protocol, which is
scary. I'm a lot more careful these days. You should be too.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Central MA. We hit -5F last night, the 240D was not interested in  
starting this morning. I put the block heater on for an hour and  
then thanked heaven that I bought a new battery the old one pooped  
out in about 20 seconds. The new one mananged to whip the starter  
around and get things going.
  One thing is for sure this car doesn't start as well with 15w50  
in the crankcase as it did with 5w40! If I were keeping this car  
that alone would be enough for me to start buying Amsoil.


  -Curt



	I would suggest more like 3 hours on the block heater. Although I  
haven't plugged anything in so far, this Winter as the temps have  
been above average. My Euro 190D 2.5 doesn't have a block  
heater.yet and started every time I asked it to. Albeit  
reluctantly a couple of times.
	I have a dedicated hardwired timer for the block heaters. I plug  
them in at night when the forecast threatens below zero temps and let  
the timer do its thing. This way I don't have to get up any earlier  
and I save my bones from that chilly eye-opener.
	I bought an Intermatic mechanical timer at Lowes, they also carry  
the digital version which looks the same from the outside. I have no  
reason for choosing one over the other.
	I have also had success with a timer that plugs into a wall outlet.  
These are a low cost viable alternative and all that I've seen have a  
15amp rating, which is more than sufficient.
	I still have a couple of cars with 617.952s running M 1 15-50 in  
them, I'd be comparing apples to oranges when it comes to cranking  
speeds though as the 601 and 602 engines both have Amsoil 5w-40.  
Until now all I used was M1 15-50 in all of them.
	Try putting a quart of dino 5w-30 and 1 M 1 15-50 outside tonight  
and compare the pouring properties in the morning. I did this with  
different viscosities of both dino and synthetics at -27F a couple of  
years ago and the 15-50 syn poured right out. The dino 5w-30 didn't  
pour, rather it needed to be squeezed out like toothpaste. I found no  
reason to even break the seal on the other in between oils, as I was  
satisfied by checking the two extremes.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe

[Brian Chase]

So, if not very sensitive to rpms, are they sensitive to load? Not so much 
referring to the weight carried in the car, or the terrain, but I'm talking 
about whether you stab the accelerator vs. letting the rpms gradually climb?


Brian
83 240D


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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:26:11 -0800

> Really? I keep forgetting to use 5th, I've gotten so used to a 4spd
> after 50kmi. I'm probably going an extra 10-15 miles out of my 80 mile
> round trip commute in 4th when I could be in 5th. I figure thats 50-75
> miles a week. If I want best fuel economy I need to be driving more
> gently and getting into 5th at about 50mph right?

These diesels are much less sensitive to RPM as a factor in mileage
when compared to gassers.  Consider the evidence of those who routinely
run in S around town: essentially no change in mileage, even with a
substantial portion of around-town driving.  But yes, it ought to help
some on the highway.  (And might make a more significant difference in
oil consumption.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and "Red" Devils

[Brian Chase]

I just discovered the joys of the plastic-headed key. The one I just bought 
broke on me. It was at night, and I assumed the metal of the key had broken. 
Later I realized that the metal does not extend up into the bulk of the 
handle. Real smart.


Also, it seems that my driver's door is not used to a fresh steel key, and 
operates quite tightly, if at all with it. Maybe will shoot some teflon lube 
in there?


And that is hard to believe, Bob, that there is but one Bio pump on PHX. 
Crazy.


Chuck, Jim and I missed you when I was in the area last weekend.

Brian
83 240D


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Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and "Red" Devils
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:03:13 -0700

Had to drive into the stealership to order a stinkin' key today. The stupid 
plastic head cracked and the metal part of the key fell out and down ito 
the tracks of my seat somewhere. I reckon I'll have to take the seat out to 
retrieve the metal part. $40 for a stinkin' key. Who on the list was making 
nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember?


Whenever I go to the stealership, I usually get a tank of biodiesel. We 
still only have one pump in all of Phoenix...a town with a billion 
gazillion people has ONE bio pump. It's criminal. It's also criminal how 
they continue to charge $2.859 for bio...but #2 is up to $2.649 here. I am 
always amazed how much smoother and quieter my car runs on bio.


While getting the key, I got 20 or so "red devils" as Johnny B called 
them...to repair the floppy trim on my door. Just so all y'all know they 
are no longer red but they are white. I hope she gave me the right 
thing...and I hope Rusty doesn't say that he has them for less than $1 
each...I'll feel like an idiot.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 149K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
'87 Acura Legend 169K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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[MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[W. Lasher]

I’m with Marshall on this one.  I tested my new 603 engine 4
times and at 5000 miles I came up with 1.8% on the soot with M1 and the way
I drive.
Just as a point of reference, before I changed to M1 I was using
Delo 400 and was changing at 2000 miles and in all those tests
at the 2000 mile mark my soot level was between 0.1 and 0.2%.
Yes, I know OVERKILL……But oil is cheaper than metal and I like to change
oil.

Walt Lasher
Seattle
92’ S350 B-1
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[MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and "Red" Devils

[Bob Rentfro]

Had to drive into the stealership to order a stinkin' key today. The stupid 
plastic head cracked and the metal part of the key fell out and down ito the 
tracks of my seat somewhere. I reckon I'll have to take the seat out to 
retrieve the metal part. $40 for a stinkin' key. Who on the list was making 
nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember?

Whenever I go to the stealership, I usually get a tank of biodiesel. We still 
only have one pump in all of Phoenix...a town with a billion gazillion people 
has ONE bio pump. It's criminal. It's also criminal how they continue to charge 
$2.859 for bio...but #2 is up to $2.649 here. I am always amazed how much 
smoother and quieter my car runs on bio.

While getting the key, I got 20 or so "red devils" as Johnny B called them...to 
repair the floppy trim on my door. Just so all y'all know they are no longer 
red but they are white. I hope she gave me the right thing...and I hope Rusty 
doesn't say that he has them for less than $1 each...I'll feel like an idiot.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 149K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
'87 Acura Legend 169K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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On Monday, February 27, 2006 at 09:07:16 (-0700), Dave M. wrote:

 > There's a really interesting test/study at this link. I found the
 > part interesting where adding a quart of fresh oil substantially
 > boosted the TBN numbers.

I added a leftover quart of M1 15W-50 to my 617 about two weeks ago
and it was noticably quieter afterwards.  I'm due for a change but did
not have oil and filters, etc. on hand so I topped up with a spare
quart.  The sump was filled with M1 Truck and SUV at the last change
(the older 5W-40 "Delvac" blend, not he current formulation)

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[Ed Booher]

Jim,

*I* have the contact info  Muhahahahahaah! But I'm talking to the
owner to determine rustability right now

Ed

On 2/27/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So _nobody_ has the contact information for that car?
> My, I guess I _am_ safe then!
>
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] What is the most addictive thing about a Mercedes

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Donald Snook wrote:


Who is "Big Don"?



LT Don. Because he is a big guy.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:


Marshall, you could have linked to MY website ya know.



	 That won't hurt you any, as long as everyone read your price  
beating policy. I'll give you a free plug.


RUSTY WILL BEAT ANY ADVERTISED PRICE ON ANY ITEM BIMBY CARRIES !!!

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Ed Booher wrote:


Wait ... let me understand ... you drive 15K miles between oil
changes, without problem or worry, and feel good about it?  (Meaning,
once you've verified an engine is in top shape and ready to roll in
your fleet, you trust that it's good)


	Yes, Yes and Yes again. The engine does not necessarily need to be  
in "top shape", but more importantly it should be consistent in the  
way it runs.
	Many factors can and do contribute to oil breaking down or becoming  
saturated with impurities. For example a leaky injector can cause  
test results to change dramatically. As long as my engines remain  
consistent, I do a round of analysis, testing 3 times at 5,000 mile  
increments and re-testing after 60,000 miles (in my case this equals  
4 oil changes). My test results have been very close in comparison.  
The 617s, build up soot faster than the 601/602s, so I think I can  
safely say that they are more efficient.




Even after being here a while, I didn't know some listers were going
so long between changes. I'm a little wowed over here


	Everyone who uses oil analysis to determine their oil change  
intervals, raise your hand!


	 You'll also be surprised to see how many just blindly pour in the  
good stuff and change it when they think the time is right.
	Savings can be realized by extending oil change intervals when  
compared to conventional oils changed at 3-5,000 miles.
	I would venture to say that most here on the list have never sent in  
oil samples for analysis and change their synthetic oil way too soon,  
benefitting from the protection but not saving any money. Oil  
analysis costs less than 1/2 of a synthetic oil change. Testimonials  
anyone?


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] TV for Mac

[George Gregory]

On 2/27/06 11:16 AM, "John Berryman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to watch TV via cable on my computer every now and
> then. I might want to record some shows that interest me but my VCR
> can do that quite nicely. Having some more channels to chose from
> wouldn't hurt either. This is really kind of a whim and I pay plenty
> for internet and TV service. Just trying to get a little more bang
> for my buck.
> 
> Johnny B.
> I Mac Therefore I am

Ratman...

Expect an email from Penoff.  Suttles fixed you up with him


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay warning

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Got an email today, message from ebay member, asking a question.   
Looked
like the standard thing you would get from ebay.  Sometimes people  
block
their email addresses so it doesnt show up for you to simply  
respond to,

  so you have to click on the respond button in the email which takes
you to ebay to send the message thru them.  Well this one required
clicking the respond button and responding thru ebay.  This one  
took me
to a page to sign in(which sometimes happens) and looks like ebay.   
Well

I signed in and immediatly realized it was NOT ebay.  Right away I
changed my password.  I looked at the email again and the link  
button to

repond was in fact NOT ebay.  The site and the email all looked VERY
convincing but the font in the mail was just slighly different.  I get
dozens of spoof messages a week from scammer but I have NEVER been
fooled until now.  This is the first time I have seen it so you better
watch out and make sure any links you click on really go to ebay.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK



	I had a similar experiences with e-bay and PayPal phishing scams.  
The web sites appear to be legit but are not. Apparently some of the  
scammers are using a font set that appear to the eye to be the same  
as real McCoy. They use the same spelling but to a computer the font  
means something else. Clicking on the link directs you to the  
scamming site. They look real convincing. I have taken the advice  
found on e-bay's and PayPals security/protection pages and type the  
URL into my browser rather than taking the short-cut and clicking the  
link.
	These scammers are pretty resourceful. Be careful, its easy to get  
screwed. I had someone do an identity theft on me last year. They ran  
up over $30,000 on my accounts, of which I was required to pay  
nothing as I make sure I use gold or platinum cards that provide  
protection against this.
	The thieves were not caught as far as I know and it took over 9  
months to clean up the mess they left me in. I spent countless  
hours,  more like days and weeks, setting things straight. All my  
accounts are password protected and all merchants are supposed to ask  
me for an additional 2 pieces of ID when I make a purchase. I find  
that only about 25% of merchants follow this protocol, which is  
scary. I'm a lot more careful these days. You should be too.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Luther Gulseth]

Oh I drive it hard enough!  I have a natural lead foot, and enjoy putting my 
foot to the floor on longer on ramps.
I'm very certain that it's not leaking anywhere.  If it was dropping onto 
something hot, I'd smell it either all the time, or when I stop and idle, or 
when I'm running the car and poking around the engine.
The car smokes some (light blue) at start and later under heavy accel will 
produce the same smoke.
When you say crankcase vent, do you mean the breather tube?  If so, that's 
already been upgraded to the new style.

Luther


~On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 12:07:46PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote:
~Valve guide seals won't make it burn that much oil. If the car lights off
~with it being as cold out as it has been, it's probably not compression. 
~
~I'd probably check the crankcase vent first, which if not up to snuff, will
~make the car go through massive amounts of oil and not leave much of a 
~trace. That failing, I'd probably clean the outside of the engine to make
~sure it's not a leak that is landing on something hot and thus not making
~it to the back of the car or onto the ground.
~
~If the back of your car is clean and it is a turbo engine, you're not
~driving it hard enough :)
~
~K
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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:57 AM, OK Don wrote:


I don't konw that the filters do much to remove soot -- could I guess
- so I'd have an analysis done to find out.



	For many years some toilet paper filter set-ups have been making the  
claim that they have the ability to lower soot content. The only  
thing that I have used toilet paper for (other than its original  
intended purpose), was to filter the solution in my Safety-Kleen  
parts washer. It definitely extended the life of the solvent 2-3x. I  
liked Scott better than Charmin. It stayed together longer.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:

How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn?  My 
coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about 1qt/300mi.  The 
ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each day) will only have 2-4 
tiny drops of oil, the rear underside, bumper, and backend of my coupe are dry 
and clean.  While on my SD (I know it's leaking from the turbo return pipe and 
braided line) the rear bumper and trunk shows oil splatter.  I've read the 
manual *.pdf's (05-270, 05-235, and 05-250) and it seems to be an easy job and 
the parts are less than $25 from Rusty.  Any thoughts on this?  TIA all,



Serious oil consumption because of stem/seal wear is rare. If broken or 
displaced, that does happen (but almost only when somebody has been 
playing with them). There is very little intake manifold vacuum to draw 
oil into the intake stream (like there is on gasoline cars and 30+ year 
old MB diesels). Usually very high oil consumption is because of oil 
being pushed over in the breather pipe (very common if the 3 piece 
breather is still being used) or because the oil return is not properly 
functioning. Occasionally (still VERY rare) turbo seals will allow oil 
consumption to get out of hand and leaks from the turbo oil return can 
result in considerable oil loss. Blown head gasket can cause that as can 
a broken ring or scored cylinder wall. Oil burning to that degree will 
result in smoke. Oil leaking won't.


Marshall
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[MBZ] nice '91 560SEL 4 sale in KC

[Christopher McCann]

saw this while on my Saturday night drive:
  
  1991 560SEL, 143K, practically new tires, $6350, Kansas City Motors: 
816-965-6300
  
  swirl marks in paint on hood...forgot to look for rust, but it would be  
minimal, interior is immaculate. It was dark out, so not a real good  look.
  
  No affiliation
  
  Chris
  
  

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On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I assume another aspect of longer oil changes is the filtration  
> system?
>   MB has a good setup, what about GM with the spin on filters?  Is  
> that
> setup agreeable with extended changes or not?
>
> John Berryman wrote:


Sure, maybe even more agreeable. It would be easier and cleaner to  
just throw a new spin-on filter in for peace of mind. I never sent in  
a filter for testing but I guess it couldn't hurt. I run the same  
filter until I change the oil and have no bad experiences to share.
Many manufacturers are now producing filters that claim a 25,000  
mile life span. Amsoil offers "EA Series Filters" which trap smaller  
particles and have a 25,000 mile service life. I installed one in our  
Jeep. It cost a little more but I no longer need to go on wild goose  
chases or the usual 50-60 mile round trips to buy my supplies at  
Napa, Auto zone, advance AP or any Mom and Pop parts suppliers. I'm  
too far away from all but one parts house to get parts and supplies  
delivered.
I know of no engines that wouldn't benefit from the use of high  
quality fully synthetic lubricants.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Marshall Booth]

Kevin wrote:

On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 09:15:09AM -0700, Dave M. wrote:

If you're unsure of the filtration system, and/or the filter is teeny
weeny, just change it every 5k or so and top up with some fresh M-1.
For non-MB cars, I really like the K&N oil filters:

http://www.knfilters.com/oilfilter.htm

They're about $10 and available at many FLAPS / McParts.


There's also frantz oil filters like the one I have on the 74 cherokee if
you are looking at bypass filters.

A friend told me of centrifugal filters for big diesels. If the powerchoke
didn't have 252k on it, I'd consider one for it. 


All Mercedes diesel oil filters are bypass filters!!

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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Christopher McCann]

you can get them for cars too: http://www.dieselproducts.com/

  Chris
  
Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  > A friend told me of centrifugal 
filters for big diesels. If the 
> powerchoke
> didn't have 252k on it, I'd consider one for it.

Those sound pretty appealing to me.  I'd want two, though.  One,
modified, would be on top the roof of the car as an antipersonnel
measure.

-- Jim


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Curt Raymond wrote:
> Central MA. We hit -5F last night, the 240D was not interested in starting 
> this morning. I put the block heater on for an hour and then thanked heaven 
> that I bought a new battery the old one pooped out in about 20 seconds. The 
> new one mananged to whip the starter around and get things going.
>   One thing is for sure this car doesn't start as well with 15w50 in the 
> crankcase as it did with 5w40! If I were keeping this car that alone would be 
> enough for me to start buying Amsoil.

MOST OM61x engines will NOT start reliably at temps much below 10 or 
zero (F) without using the block heater NO MATTER what oil is in them. 
If the battery is marginal FORGET it. OM60x engines should reliably 
start down to about 10 below. Using ANY Mobil 1 oil will improve the 
chance of starting. I found NO difference in the ability of starting my 
OM60x engines down to -15 whether there was M-1 5W-40 (POUR POINT -45 
C), 5W-30 (-54), 5W-30 Ext (-45), 10W-30 (-45), 0W-40 (-54) or 15W50 Ext 
(-42) or some mixture of them in the engine (I've tried them all except 
15W-50 Ext - I've used regular 15W-50). They started equally well as 
long as everything else was PERFECT. There is a small difference in pour 
point (except for the old M-1 5W-30 which was specifically NOT Mercedes 
approved). The extended formulas aren't approved either, but I believe 
it's because they haven't been submitted for testing. The only Mobil 1 
oil that Mercedes recommends for passenger cars is M-1 0W-40, but many 
other (but not all) M-1 and M-1 Ext oils meet all the the requirements 
(the old M-1 xW30 oils didn't).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Jim Cathey]

A friend told me of centrifugal filters for big diesels. If the 
powerchoke

didn't have 252k on it, I'd consider one for it.


Those sound pretty appealing to me.  I'd want two, though.  One,
modified, would be on top the roof of the car as an antipersonnel
measure.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Kevin]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 12:07:46PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote:
> How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn?  
> My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about 
> 1qt/300mi.  The ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each 
> day) will only have 2-4 tiny drops of oil, the rear underside, bumper, 
> and backend of my coupe are dry and clean.  While on my SD (I know it's 
> leaking from the turbo return pipe and braided line) the rear bumper and 
> trunk shows oil splatter.  I've read the manual *.pdf's (05-270, 05-235, 
> and 05-250) and it seems to be an easy job and the parts are less than 
> $25 from Rusty.  Any thoughts on this?  TIA all,

Valve guide seals won't make it burn that much oil. If the car lights off
with it being as cold out as it has been, it's probably not compression. 

I'd probably check the crankcase vent first, which if not up to snuff, will
make the car go through massive amounts of oil and not leave much of a 
trace. That failing, I'd probably clean the outside of the engine to make
sure it's not a leak that is landing on something hot and thus not making
it to the back of the car or onto the ground.

If the back of your car is clean and it is a turbo engine, you're not
driving it hard enough :)

K

Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[Jim Cathey]

So _nobody_ has the contact information for that car?
My, I guess I _am_ safe then!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe

[Jim Cathey]

Really? I keep forgetting to use 5th, I've gotten so used to a 4spd 
after 50kmi. I'm probably going an extra 10-15 miles out of my 80 mile 
round trip commute in 4th when I could be in 5th. I figure thats 50-75 
miles a week. If I want best fuel economy I need to be driving more 
gently and getting into 5th at about 50mph right?


These diesels are much less sensitive to RPM as a factor in mileage
when compared to gassers.  Consider the evidence of those who routinely
run in S around town: essentially no change in mileage, even with a
substantial portion of around-town driving.  But yes, it ought to help
some on the highway.  (And might make a more significant difference in
oil consumption.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Jim Cathey]

How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil 
burn?


My understanding on these diesels, especially the turbo-diesels,
is 'not very'.  The turbos run with positive manifold pressure
a good portion of the time, which means that the prevailing
winds (so to speak) are pushing back out the valve stems, not
sucking in as is the case for NA engines.

But it _can_ happen that they leak enough to cause oil consumption,
or so I also am led to understand.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Kevin]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 09:15:09AM -0700, Dave M. wrote:
> If you're unsure of the filtration system, and/or the filter is teeny
> weeny, just change it every 5k or so and top up with some fresh M-1.
> For non-MB cars, I really like the K&N oil filters:
> 
> http://www.knfilters.com/oilfilter.htm
> 
> They're about $10 and available at many FLAPS / McParts.

There's also frantz oil filters like the one I have on the 74 cherokee if
you are looking at bypass filters.

A friend told me of centrifugal filters for big diesels. If the powerchoke
didn't have 252k on it, I'd consider one for it. 

K

Re: [MBZ] TV for Mac

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Justa sec here, are we looking to put TV on the computer like in  
from the cable line or antenna or are we looking to come from a VCR  
or other rca type video connection?



	I would like to watch TV via cable on my computer every now and  
then. I might want to record some shows that interest me but my VCR  
can do that quite nicely. Having some more channels to chose from  
wouldn't hurt either. This is really kind of a whim and I pay plenty  
for internet and TV service. Just trying to get a little more bang  
for my buck.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Michael Hall]

Hows the turbo?  Seems like a lot of oil for just the valve stem seals.

Mike

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:08 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals
>
>How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn?
>My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about
>1qt/300mi.  The ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each
>day) will only have 2-4 tiny drops of oil, the rear underside, bumper, and
>backend of my coupe are dry and clean.  While on my SD (I know it's leaking
>from the turbo return pipe and braided line) the rear bumper and trunk
>shows oil splatter.  I've read the manual *.pdf's (05-270, 05-235, and 05-
>250) and it seems to be an easy job and the parts are less than $25 from
>Rusty.  Any thoughts on this?  TIA all,
>
>--
>Luther KB5QHU
>Alma, Ark
>'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
>'82 300CD (159,222 kmi)
>'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
>
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[MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

[Luther Gulseth]

How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn?  My 
coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about 1qt/300mi.  The 
ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each day) will only have 2-4 
tiny drops of oil, the rear underside, bumper, and backend of my coupe are dry 
and clean.  While on my SD (I know it's leaking from the turbo return pipe and 
braided line) the rear bumper and trunk shows oil splatter.  I've read the 
manual *.pdf's (05-270, 05-235, and 05-250) and it seems to be an easy job and 
the parts are less than $25 from Rusty.  Any thoughts on this?  TIA all,

-- 
Luther KB5QHU 
Alma, Ark 
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (159,222 kmi) 
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Marshall Booth]

Dave M. wrote:

Kaleb,

Every engine is different, so if you want to do extended drains, you
should at least do one or two oil analyses on the engine in question.
Like Marshall said, the 61x engines may produce more soot, at least
mine did. Johnny B's don't but he's probably the exception, lol. On a
diesel the limiting factor is usually the soot load, assuming you
don't have a bypass 'TP' filter. When you hit 2%, it's time to change.

On a gas engine, I believe the limit will be the TBN number along with
wear metals, etc. Once again this varies by driving style, engine
condition, number of cold starts, etc. For normal use, I suspect a lot
of gassers can go the same 10-20k between changes if the engine is in
good shape. Oil filter capacity is another factor... the MB diesels
have "oversize" filters, but the gassers may not. So, some engines may
need filter changes every 5k or something. (??)

There's a really interesting test/study at this link. I found the part
interesting where adding a quart of fresh oil substantially boosted
the TBN numbers. The third bullet near the top, claiming that 3k
changes actually *increases* wear, was news to me... bizarre:

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/mobil1.html


The business about wear decreasing with the "age" of the oil and 3kmi 
oil changes increasing wear both PROBABLY derive from the oil filter 
filtering better as it fills with debris (up to a point). Most oil and 
air filters increase in filtering ability as they fill up, their 
resistance increases and the "pores" get smaller. Eventually as the 
resistance gets high enough, the amount of oil passing through the 
filter decreases to the point where the filter allows little or nothing 
to pass (ultimate filtering ;-). The result is either oil starvation or 
complete bypass of the filter element either of which results in 
increased wear.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] What is the most addictive thing about a Mercedes Diesel?

[Ed Booher]

On 2/27/06, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Not to sound like a Nazi, but that is why Hitler loved MB's.
>  He wanted  the VW for the people - something they could afford
>  OK, enough for now, I'll be surprised if anyone has read this far!
>
>  Chris
>

I read this far  I was waiting for you to say "and they were such
snappy dressers" :)

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay warning

[Curt Raymond]

Don't feel bad I had exactly the same thing happen to me some months ago. I 
didn't realize what was going on until the next day. Luckily nothing happened 
but I was upset, here I am a computer professional, all day long I warn people 
about stuff like that and here I get caught...
  Now I never click the "respond now" link, I go to eBay and go to "my 
messages" instead.
   
  I tried tracking the spam back to its source, I didn't get too far but I 
forwarded the email on to eBay and the FBI (fat lotta good that'll do) then I 
posted the domain that was hosting the spoof site on a hackers forum...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:01:54 -0600
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Subject: [MBZ] Ebay warning
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Got an email today, message from ebay member, asking a question.  
Looked 
like the standard thing you would get from ebay.  Sometimes people 
block 
their email addresses so it doesnt show up for you to simply respond 
to, 
  so you have to click on the respond button in the email which takes 
you to ebay to send the message thru them.  Well this one required 
clicking the respond button and responding thru ebay.  This one took me 
to a page to sign in(which sometimes happens) and looks like ebay.  
Well 
I signed in and immediatly realized it was NOT ebay.  Right away I 
changed my password.  I looked at the email again and the link button 
to 
repond was in fact NOT ebay.  The site and the email all looked VERY 
convincing but the font in the mail was just slighly different.  I get 
dozens of spoof messages a week from scammer but I have NEVER been 
fooled until now.  This is the first time I have seen it so you better 
watch out and make sure any links you click on really go to ebay.
-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> So we figured out that most 603's can go 15k miles on m1(or amsoil). 
> What about older 617, 616, 615 etc?  Ok, so what about gas cars like 
> 103's, 117's etc?  How long can they go.  Same miles, more miles, less 
> miles?  I would think more miles since they are not going to have the 
> soot problems.

Many engine and oil manufacturers permit 4% soot in the oil and base 
their change interval on that number. Mercedes requires that the oil be 
changed at (or before) soot reaches 2%. You can run the soot out to 4% 
and nothing noticeable will happen, at least not quickly. The engine 
will probably wear faster (10, 20, 50%? - I don't know). A few thousand 
miles with excessive soot is unlikely to change the life of the engine 
by much, but running it that way for a long period surely will. With the
introduction of low sulfur fuel that will become ultra low sulfur fuel 
shortly, combustion acids have become a much more minor concern and 
seldom enter into the oil change interval calculation any longer.

The Mercedes filters do not remove ANY soot. Mercedes removes soot by 
remov

Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Dave M.]

If you're unsure of the filtration system, and/or the filter is teeny
weeny, just change it every 5k or so and top up with some fresh M-1.
For non-MB cars, I really like the K&N oil filters:

http://www.knfilters.com/oilfilter.htm

They're about $10 and available at many FLAPS / McParts.


:)

-Dave M.


> --
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:44:27 -0600
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering
>
> I assume another aspect of longer oil changes is the filtration system?
>  MB has a good setup, what about GM with the spin on filters?  Is that
> setup agreeable with extended changes or not?

Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Curt Raymond]

Depends on how good the engine is and how its driven.
  My '96 Dodge Dakota gasser showed significant fuel dilution at 8,000. Thats 
probably because my wife drives it just to work and back, so it only goes about 
5 miles in an average day. The way things are lining up this year 8,000 miles 
should be about the time we round up a trip to camp (900 miles round trip) so 
it'll be interesting to see how that works out.
  Hammie leaks so danged much oil (quart in 800 or so) that I've never 
bothered. Dory the 190D doesn't leak hardly at all that I can tell. I'm 
interested to see how far I can go between changes on that car. I don't mind 
changing the oil but I've got better ways to spend a morning.
  Theres a guy I work with who has a late model Camaro in which he changes the 
oil (get this) every 2,000 miles. Waste of oil in my opinion the car only has 
like 20k on it and is pretty much only highway driven. I asked him if I could 
have the old oil to run in my lawnmower since its only like 2/3s used... Alas 
he has the oil changed at Speedee and they won't give him the old.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:24:54 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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So we figured out that most 603's can go 15k miles on m1(or amsoil). 
What about older 617, 616, 615 etc?  Ok, so what about gas cars like 
103's, 117's etc?  How long can they go.  Same miles, more miles, less 
miles?  I would think more miles since they are not going to have the 
soot problems.
-- 
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  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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We already have weekly couseling sessions :-)
  
  I no longer play with Barbie dolls, although he has another patient with this 
same problem...tough nut to crack :-)
  
  Chris

Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Chris, you need to schedule a 
session with LT

~Ditto. They are simple machines, minimal electronics, yet not  
~sloppy...injection parts with micron toleraces that last FOREVER. After  
~reading about the IP and realizing mine has been going for 211,000 with  not a 
~single problem - well, that just blows my mind. Diesel engines  are beautiful 
~in their simplicity AND tight tolerances.
~
~Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
~-2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose"
~-1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, "Nanook"
~-1987 300TD, 151K, "Rotkäppchen"
~-1985 300SD, 211K, "Wulf" 
~-1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)
~-1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent
~-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger"
~  
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Re: [MBZ] Hello from Santa Fe

[Curt Raymond]

Really? I keep forgetting to use 5th, I've gotten so used to a 4spd after 
50kmi. I'm probably going an extra 10-15 miles out of my 80 mile round trip 
commute in 4th when I could be in 5th. I figure thats 50-75 miles a week. If I 
want best fuel economy I need to be driving more gently and getting into 5th at 
about 50mph right?
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:11:51 -0500
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When you shift will have surprisingly little influence on fuel economy. 
Never put it into 5th until you are well over 40-45 mph!

Marshall
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Kaleb,

Every engine is different, so if you want to do extended drains, you
should at least do one or two oil analyses on the engine in question.
Like Marshall said, the 61x engines may produce more soot, at least
mine did. Johnny B's don't but he's probably the exception, lol. On a
diesel the limiting factor is usually the soot load, assuming you
don't have a bypass 'TP' filter. When you hit 2%, it's time to change.

On a gas engine, I believe the limit will be the TBN number along with
wear metals, etc. Once again this varies by driving style, engine
condition, number of cold starts, etc. For normal use, I suspect a lot
of gassers can go the same 10-20k between changes if the engine is in
good shape. Oil filter capacity is another factor... the MB diesels
have "oversize" filters, but the gassers may not. So, some engines may
need filter changes every 5k or something. (??)

There's a really interesting test/study at this link. I found the part
interesting where adding a quart of fresh oil substantially boosted
the TBN numbers. The third bullet near the top, claiming that 3k
changes actually *increases* wear, was news to me... bizarre:

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/mobil1.html

:-)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:24:54 -0600
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> Subject: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering
>
> So we figured out that most 603's can go 15k miles on m1(or amsoil).
> What about older 617, 616, 615 etc?  Ok, so what about gas cars like
> 103's, 117's etc?  How long can they go.  Same miles, more miles, less
> miles?  I would think more miles since they are not going to have the
> soot problems.

Re: [MBZ] Morning sluggishness

[Curt Raymond]

Central MA. We hit -5F last night, the 240D was not interested in starting this 
morning. I put the block heater on for an hour and then thanked heaven that I 
bought a new battery the old one pooped out in about 20 seconds. The new one 
mananged to whip the starter around and get things going.
  One thing is for sure this car doesn't start as well with 15w50 in the 
crankcase as it did with 5w40! If I were keeping this car that alone would be 
enough for me to start buying Amsoil.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:12:22 -0700
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Whereabouts do you live? That's about the temperature here. I know, 
look on 
Frappr. I probably will get a block heater at some point.

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On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:34 AM, Brian Chase wrote:

> So it really sounds like this problem is specifically recognized by  
> a few of
> you as a starter/solenoid going bad. Wish I'd kept the Auto Joke  
> starter I
> put in then pulled out when I was trying to diagnose what turned  
> out to be
> the siezed engine.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D


I have purchased Bosch Reman starters from Rusty and feel the price  
is reasonable. Bosch also offers free towing for vehicles having a  
failure within 2 years. I'm not 100% sure this policy is still in  
effect but every one I bought had a little pamphlet in the box  
explaining such benefits. The guys at Bimby should be able to verify  
this.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] What is the most addictive thing about a Mercedes

[LT Don]

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>
> Who is "Big Don"?
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>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] what is going on with Mobil 1

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:33 AM, Loren Faeth wrote:

Maybe we should all sign up under johnny B and make him the Amsoil  
baron

superhero.



	I certainly wouldn't mind any inquiries and I'm willing to work with  
anyone interested in Amsoil products. I just recently became a dealer  
and plan on doing my homework so I may better assist anyone in the  
process.
	I should be ready within the next couple of days to sign folks up. I  
have enough time on my hands presently to educate myself and answer  
all queries. I'm meeting with the dealer that signed me up tonight to  
get some forms and answer some questions that I have.
	Any interested parties can feel free to e-mail me privately  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]or call  me (518)526-2279 with contact  
information. I will respond to all inquiries in a very timely manner.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] What is the most addictive thing about a Mercedes Diesel?

[Christopher McCann]

Ditto. They are simple machines, minimal electronics, yet not  
sloppy...injection parts with micron toleraces that last FOREVER. After  
reading about the IP and realizing mine has been going for 211,000 with  not a 
single problem - well, that just blows my mind. Diesel engines  are beautiful 
in their simplicity AND tight tolerances.
  
  Then, enter Rudolf Diesel - he was an incredible visionary not only in  
engineering but in the social impact of his engine. I am having the  first 
chapter of his book "Solidarismus" (on social questions)  translated from 
German. HE is a fascinating man.
  
  Then my Germanophilia kicks in. I do believe that there is something  about 
Germans, that make them excellent engineers. My boy-hood hero was  Werner von 
Braun, chief designer of the Saturn V rocket, which I  believe to this day is 
the most amazing engineering feat of all times,  exp. considering the types of 
computers they had to work with at that  time. I love German things - pens, 
watches, cigarettes, guns, cars, my  wife (mädchen name ist Übersetzig) and I 
my self am 1/2 German (mothers  side). There is probably no other thing besides 
an MB that better  represents to the world the excellence of German engineering 
AND all  the German virtues that contribute to making Germans great engineers.  
My car represents to me an entire ethos, my personal heritage and the  
greatness of the German people who have suffered so much this century  yet 
managed to rebuild thier country in 15 years and the MB is a symbol  of the 
greatness of such a nation.
  
  Then the driving experience, ms.300D expressed that perfectly. I am now  
disappointed that I only live 6 blocks from work - that old commute was  a 
wonderful time for me. On Saturday night, I just took the 300TD out  for a 
drive. It was awesome (also brought my personal top speed up to  112 mph until 
someone pulled in fron of me goinmg about 60.. 112 to 60  is NOT fun...but it 
was done as straight as an arrow).
  
  Not to sound like a Nazi, but that is why Hitler loved MB's. He wanted  the 
VW for the people - something they could afford but his attraction  to MB's was 
not because they were expensive (he, unlike Goering,  shunned expenive 
ostentatious things for himself personally) but  becuase they expressed, in his 
mind, the best car the "master race"  could produce. Well, I don't believe in 
master races, but he was right  in choosing MB! (to me a master race is going 
112 in a 65 mph zone)! HA!
  
  I just received "Enduring Passion: The Story of the Mercedes Benz  Brand" - 
you'll find it in the business section NOT the car section. It  is a book about 
branding and explores why people are fanatical about  MB's - lots of pics, lots 
of history - VERY nice book. Good look inside  the company and how the comapny 
ran by engineers sold cars vs the new  MB (which is no longer run by engineers 
in the same way) simply sell  sars to sell them. I've heard the phrase 
"Mercedes, the love that never  dies" I believe it - this book tries to figure 
out how MB did that -  MORE OR LESS WITHOUT TRYING (until mid 90's when 
marketing took  precidence over engineering)
  
  Lastly, THEY DON'T MAKE EM LIKE THEY USED TO. OK, If I hit the lottery,  I 
might by an SLR-McLaren - maybe not. But short of that, I'm more than  happy to 
stick by my 300SD, which I fully believe will be the last car  I ever buy for 
myself. I WILL get that 5th 1,000,000 mile badge before  I die.
  
  OK, enough for now, I'll be surprised if anyone has read this far!
  
  Chris

OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I like the total "mechanicalness" of the 
Diesels. The clatta - clatta
is reassuring - you KNOW something is happening under the hood. I do
miss that aspect of the 603 and 602 engines - too quiet. I like
knowing that you can pull the battery out and still drive. I like
having many fuel options, whether I exercise them or not.
I love the mechanical engineering in these cars. The complex ACC
systems are great when working properly, can be a real pain when not.


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Norman, OK
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'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

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[LT Don]

I can see something like that happening in Dale City. It is the blue collar
part of Woodbridge VA. I used to live in the "yuppie" part, Lake Ridge, for
almost a decade. A bedroom community of military folks and government
workers.





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1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
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Re: [MBZ] Ratchet lube

[John Berryman]

On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

When I broke the guts of my 1968 era Craftsman rachet, they  
wouldn't give
me a new one and insisted on a repair kit. Still works just fine  
(and I
think I did it twice with the socket retaining mechanism being the  
part

that failed).


Craig



	I use mostly Snap-On tools but had a very old Craftsman ratchet.  
Long handle, fine tooth. It was very handy for certain operations.  
The innards wore out and Sears did not have anything close to it.
	I opted to keep the ratchet rather than exchange for their newer  
version of that tool. It still worked in the on direction so I used  
it like that until I got lucky and bought a milk crate of used tools.  
there was a short handled ratchet with the same mechanism. I swapped  
the guts and still use this 40+ year old tool. I take extra  
precautions to keep it alive.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] What is the most addictive thing about a Mercedes Diesel?

[Potter, Tom E]

Hilarious *.wav file.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunil Hari
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is the most addictive thing about a Mercedes
Diesel?

Why do colorectal surgeons have so much business?  B/c people don't get
colonoscopies from their gastroenterologists.

In other words, here's a short PSA - if you're over 50, get a yearly
full
colonoscopy.  Colon cancer is the second most-avoidable cancer (first is
lung), and I've seen enough patients with it to know that it's an awful
disease to have.

On 2/27/06, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 2/26/06, ms. 300SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A proctologist?
> >
> > Hm.  I wonder why guys love to make jokes about
> proctologists.  Could it
> > be because you have not been a good boy and scheduled your
colonoscopy?
> > Hm?
> >
> > You could drive yourself to the hospital to go get it, but you'd
have to
> > have someone else drive you home (in your lovely Benz), thus making
the
> > outing not so bad
> >
> > Lynn
>
> When you look at it, let me know if it has any "fun" rust in the
chassis
> :)
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay warning

[l02turner]

Sorry you got snookered - I've come to the conclusion that eBay *never* 
sends emails requiring a response.  The only valid emails I from them are 
only to tell me that my acccount is about to be charged.


Also, they *always* address me as "Dear Mr. Turner, - never by my sign on 
name and never as "Dear eBay customer".   Also, if there's anything 
misspelled, it's guaranteed to be a spoof.  Suggest you forward it to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - that gets it on record, in case they were able to take 
advantage of you somehow, but it sounds like you changed your.PW quickly 
enough to prevent damage.


Good luck -- those crooks are pretty ingenious.

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Ebay warning



Got an email today, message from ebay member, asking a question.  Looked
like the standard thing you would get from ebay.  Sometimes people block
their email addresses so it doesnt show up for you to simply respond to,
 so you have to click on the respond button in the email which takes
you to ebay to send the message thru them.  Well this one required
clicking the respond button and responding thru ebay.  This one took me
to a page to sign in(which sometimes happens) and looks like ebay.  Well
I signed in and immediatly realized it was NOT ebay.  Right away I
changed my password.  I looked at the email again and the link button to
repond was in fact NOT ebay.  The site and the email all looked VERY
convincing but the font in the mail was just slighly different.  I get
dozens of spoof messages a week from scammer but I have NEVER been
fooled until now.  This is the first time I have seen it so you better
watch out and make sure any links you click on really go to ebay.
--
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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] What is the most addictive thing about a Mercedes

[Donald Snook]

Johnny B wrote:

 

"I don't get it either. If you were a Psych nurse you'd no 

 doubt have the answer(s) to that one. Maybe Big Don will shed some 

 light on the subject."

 

Who is "Big Don"?  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 124K 

[MBZ] Sorta OT: MAKE Magazine

[Rich Thomas]

Any of you get MAKE magazine?  (This guy apparently writes for it)  A 
friend turned me on to it, I had to get a subscription.  It is full of 
all kinds of articles that would likely appeal to those who spend 
inordinate amounts of time and money on old Benzes, and enjoy doing it.


My next little project is to build a jelly-jar pulse jet engine.

--R

tom savage wrote:


http://hooptyrides.com/

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Re: [MBZ] Loosing oil

[Rich Thomas]

You need to use Mercedes tighting oil.

--R

Bruce Lulfs wrote:


I am a new MB owner and could not buy a nice car. I got a 85 300 SD With the
help of a new friend got it to run nice. I took it out for a short drive and
made a fast stop ( Did not shut it off ) Walking back to the car I saw oil
coming out fast. I got it back home ok looked under it and I could see on
the passenger side on top of the oil pan a big tube that looks like it goes
up to the turbo. Right where it comes out of the oil pan seems to be where
the oil is coming from. I got a mess all under the car. 


   Can anyone tell me how to go about trying to fix this?

Thank you
Bruce
Toledo Ohio

Starting to make Biodiesel
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/
Soon to be a lister 12/2 owner!


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Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Lines

[Christopher McCann]

I have no idea how to replace them, but I know that Marshall says they  are 
designed to leak before they blow and when they do, you empty your  engine of 
oil very quickly, usually before you know it, and hence will  need a new engine.
  
  Chris

Richard Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The lower oil cooler line on our 82 
300TDt is leaking.

Can it be worked around the mount or will I have to take the motor mount loose?

Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

Richard Murdoch
82 300TDt
82 240D


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-1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, "Nanook"
-1987 300TD, 151K, "Rotkäppchen"
-1985 300SD, 211K, "Wulf" 
-1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)
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any special events like last year?
  
  Chris
  

"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  OkieQ 2006 will be Saturday 
June 17th.  This is THE official 
striplin.net event of the year open to ALL members of striplin.net 
mailing lists and forums.  Anybody who is anybody shows up for these 
things.  Lots of good food, good people and good cars.  It will be held 
in beautiful Claremore, OK at the home the okiebenz empire.  This is 
your big chance to come and see more Mercedes in a single location and 
put names with faces.  If you have never been to one you dont know what 
you have been missing.  If you plan on coming send me your info ASAP 
offlist so I can get a list of attendees going.  Will also get some 
hotel info together for folks as well.
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Re: [MBZ] name my car

[Christopher McCann]

some cars are plain and others are more like planes, but yeah, I think I meant 
plain.
  
  Chris

Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:22:16 -0800 
(PST) Christopher McCann
 wrote:

> Sieglinde (zeeg-linda) = soft victory (a real German name). It's 
> appropriate if its a car youve wanted for a while and it is sort of 
> plane...like "my personal little understated victory"

I think you mean "plain".


Craig

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Marshall, you could have linked to MY website ya know. 

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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Was looking at the motor mounts - what little I could see of them at
least - 
> and was wondering how to tell if they're going/gone bad?

MEASURE them. There are notches on either side of the bottom of the 
mount. > http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A700029776FEB.JPG
That space to the chassis must be 1/2" (actually 13 mm) or the mount has

collapsed and mus be replaced. Mercedes even diagrams a tool for 
measuring this in the additions to the engine manual. See last couple of

page of:

http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/Prog_Repairs/m
ech5.pdf

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] ok, all this talk about M1 has me wondering

[Ed Booher]

On 2/26/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I change at 15,000, all mine are diesels (Except Cathy's Jeep)
> mostly 617.952s. 1 601, 1 602. You know that oil analysis is the only
> way to tell what's going on in  your engine.

Wait ... let me understand ... you drive 15K miles between oil
changes, without problem or worry, and feel good about it?  (Meaning,
once you've verified an engine is in top shape and ready to roll in
your fleet, you trust that it's good)

Even after being here a while, I didn't know some listers were going
so long between changes. I'm a little wowed over here

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