[MBZ] FS: W124 Euro light lenses - new

[Dave M.]

Hi all,

I found a pair of new lenses floating around my shop that I don't
need. They are TYC brand, in original boxes, and will fit all Euro
lights. They're the 1994/95 style but will fit 86-95 cars. No, they
won't fit DOT lights. They look like this (this is an old photo of my
car with a set if lights that are now gone):



You guys have first crack at them, next they're posted on the forums,
then off to eBay...

:-)

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Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 95kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)

Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Jim Keefe]

It's an automatic.  Make an offer.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:37:40 -0500

Could it be purchased for scrap price? Is it a stick?

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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Turned in to scrap, ie, recycled.


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>huh?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Jim Keefe]

Make an offer.



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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:35:03 -0500

I'd pay more than scrap or junk price for it.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[David Brodbeck]

John Berryman wrote:
	They are illegal in some locales, I believe Canada or at least  
Ontario doesn't allow them
  


Neither does Michigan.  I think Minnesota and Wisconsin also outlawed them.

Re: [MBZ] W126 rear Window

[David Brodbeck]

Peter T. Arnold wrote:

Why not peel the lip of the rubber back where it meets the body
and tuck the wire into there?



I thought it would be less strain on the wire to put it under the
molding.  Your way would probably work too.
  
It's unlikely to hurt it to tuck it under the lip.  Just don't crimp it 
or kink it and you'll be fine.

Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Zoltan Finks]

You hit it right on.

I began to realize this a few years back when I'd drive to the dog park
around rush hour because that's when my sweetheart went there. I would just
about every day I would encounter one or two drivers who would get
aggressive with me, sometimes worse than others. But once at the dog park
I'd often get into a nice interesting conversation with a perfect stranger.
And I would think, you know, these people that I just had this nice
experience with are no different than those red-faced, gesturning, furious
ones on the road. It's just the act of driving that causes the problem.

I have a saying: Driving does terrible things to people. May sound dramatic,
but I find it to be true.

Brian

Randy wrote:

They just want you out of their way now. Talk to
them when they are not behind the wheel and they will be real nice folks.
Put them in the car and they become Attila the Hun. Not sure why but it
happens.

Re: [MBZ] weenies

[David Brodbeck]

Levi Smith wrote:

I agree completely.  My wife had something like a 93' Ford Ranger.  It had
studded tires, and a Tractor tire (maybe 300lbs?) and a big-ass tree stump
(maybe another 100 or 200lbs?), I almost think there might have been a few
cement blocks or something else as well.  It sucked.
  


I confess I've never had a pickup truck, so I don't doubt your 
experience.  A pickup truck has about the worst weight distribution 
possible -- IIRC it's something like a 70/30 weight bias, front/rear.  I 
understand they can be pretty treacherous to drive even on wet roads.


I did have a lot of trouble getting stuck one year with a Ford van, but 
that mostly went away when I put new tires on it.  The old ones were 
"all season" radials and nearly worn out.  With new tires I rarely had 
trouble getting around Houghton, MI, which gets around 200 inches of 
snow a year.



The way I look at it, for *most* vehicles even if you had 400lbs of weight
in the back, you *might* have it back to about 50/50 weight distribution.
  


That seems high.  I did the calculation for my Volvo wagon once and 
figured out that around 150 pounds on the rear axle would do it.  Home 
Depot had sand in 60 pound tubes, so I put two in back.  Sure enough, it 
went from a car that wouldn't go anywhere without fishtailing to one 
that couldn't break loose enough to do a decent donut.

Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

[Tom Hargrave]

Kevin,

I owned a 220D and two 240D's and I don't remember if the radiators are
different.

The radiators are different between the manual and auto tranny models. The
auto tranny model has a transmission cooling coil  built into the radiator.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
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Subject: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D


I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the front
resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  Also, are
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All that this
240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 miles
from me.

Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon
1973 220D parting out


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Re: [MBZ] W126 rear Window

[Peter T . Arnold]

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:31:18 -0800, you wrote:

>> I'd like to remove the rear window's trim.  this to hide my satellite
>> wire (very small Diameter) under it.
>> After I slide the small center pieces over, does it just pry off?  Tap
>> back on with a rubber mallet?
>
>I'm not sure it goes back in once removed.  Some windows have
>to have the trim put in the rubber before the whole thing is
>snaked into place.
>
>Why not peel the lip of the rubber back where it meets the body
>and tuck the wire into there?
>
I thought it would be less strain on the wire to put it under the
molding.  Your way would probably work too.

Pete

Re: [MBZ] Pokey

[Zoltan Finks]

Less tailgaiting and other aggressive, gibbon-like behavior (and maybe even
more looking, thinking, and planning ahead) by the average driver would put
them in a position where they would not have to go into emergency dodging
maneuvers when something as catasrophic as a slower-moving vehicle shows up.

I'm not as willing to red line it (unless i feel like it) to cater to
others' stupidity (especially with fuel prices as they are). And yes, I know
I have to keep an extra keen eye out for someone who may not be paying
attention, or has someone bearing down on them who's not paying attention.

But as for those who are fully aware of me, but try to prove a point or even
intimidate (trucks) by rushing up on me. I say bring it on, and if you've
got the sack, pull over with me.

Just my view. Free of charge.

Brian

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> The other side of this is that merging into fast traffic at less than that
> speed (whatever it is) is dangerous, particularly to the poor bastard who
> is
> behind you and is more likely to get hit. Although my own car is not all
> that
> fast, when I can, I lay back and approach the road blocker at a higher
> speed
> moving into the second lane, usually after a double-downshift to the
> redline. And
> when I look back I see them still poking along at less than traffic speed
> with
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Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

[R A Bennell]

You can more than likely use a manual tranny rad in a car with an auto as
well if you just add an after market tranny cooler somewhere. You won't get
the tranny warming function noted in this thread but you should be able to
keep the tranny cooled if need be.

Randy B

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You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual,

The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far!  My 220D is an auto thus it
has the tranny cooler/warmer lines.  I'll really know if a good luck streak
is headed my way if this 240D is a manny tranny!  However, if it's an auto,
I'm still more than happy to take it off their hands.  She wants it to go to
someone with a love for MB diesels rather than have it go to the crusher,
not the place a potentially good 240D should go!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D who's taken her last breath, but can now give another car a new
lease on life through organ donation


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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[R A Bennell]

It is basic ignorance. Most people out there have no idea that your old
diesel can't go any faster. For whatever reason, people behind the wheel
often become irritated way too easy. Traffic is frustrating at times and
people have no patience. They just want you out of their way now. Talk to
them when they are not behind the wheel and they will be real nice folks.
Put them in the car and they become Attila the Hun. Not sure why but it
happens.

Remember a time a few years back when I was driving my old Suburban. I
crossed a divided street to the median and had to wait for a few cars going
by before I could cross the second set of lanes. A lady pulls up to the
Suburban in a fancy new black Chrysler product of some sort and rolls down
the window and starts waving her arm and giving me the finger and yelling at
me to get out of the way. I was blocking the one lane but she could have
changed lanes and gone around me. She chose not to. She wanted to release
some pent up energy I guess. I rolled down my window and my wife started to
get upset as she thought I was going to yell back or worse. I called out
"have a nice day" and I thought the lady in the Chrysler was going to have a
stroke right there. Good thing the traffic let up and I was able to pull
away before she figured out what to do next. Still glad I didn't swear at
her (which I will admit I have been known to do on occasion when in a bad
mood).

Randy B

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 'Tom,

You asked: why so hateful? I think it's human nature to act like the kids in
line at school, pushing and shoving. Why so discontent? Also human nature,
but IMHO, bolstered by TV. Someone has said that TV only exists in order to
show commercials, and commercials ony exist to make us discontent. The same
could probably be said of the print media and other.


> Tom wrote:

 People are very full of
> hate and discontent in this the freest country in the world.  Why is that
> so?
>

I can and often do think of a few more effective stickers than that for my
loyal tailgaiters. Only problem is, I don't want them on there at all times.
I almost want to make some magnetic ones to use on occasions when I know
that I will encounter the most aggression i.e. commuting to and from the
job.

Jim wrote:
Bumper sticker: "It _is_ floored!"

Tom wrote:
I call it the "Flip Maker"  As I drive up and
accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping me
the bird all the time, my pedals is to the metal.
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Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[R A Bennell]

I think that what you will find if you lay an old chain and a new chain out
on the floor is that the new one is shorter and that the old one used to be
the same size as the new one. It certainly will appear to have "stretched"
but you may well be right about the technical description of what happened
to it.

Randy B

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Chuck Landenberger wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I looked at the thesaurus too, but we are dealing w/metal and IMHO
> "stretch" implies some flexibility.

Metal is, by definition, a flexible material - see malleability and
ductility.
The stretch we measure in the timing chain is due to wear and fatigue of the
metal.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[R A Bennell]

My bet would be tires too. I had a set of Michelins that would not wear out.
However, the older they got the harder the rubber got (I assume) and it got
to where I could hardly move on flat ground in the winter. They were on a
car I did not plan to keep forever so I swapped them for some cheap house
brand all season radials from a local discount auto store and the difference
was like night and day. The car became much more drivable in winter
conditions.

I think I am seeing that with our 4Runner even now. The current set of tires
(big old 31X10.5's) are 5 winters old. They do not have the traction that
they once had but still have lots of tread even with around 50K miles on
them. I think they will get replaced for next winter even though they will
not be "worn out".

Randy B

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That's good news. As soon as I can get better tires on there and become a
better driver, and place a few sandbags in the the space designed for them,
I can expect the car to back me up into my parking space like all my other
cars do.

Brian

Marshall wrote:

Your problem isn't the design of the car. It may be your tires or it may
be your driving, but it's NOT the car's design.
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Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

[kevin kraly]

You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual,

The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far!  My 220D is an auto thus it 
has the tranny cooler/warmer lines.  I'll really know if a good luck streak 
is headed my way if this 240D is a manny tranny!  However, if it's an auto, 
I'm still more than happy to take it off their hands.  She wants it to go to 
someone with a love for MB diesels rather than have it go to the crusher, 
not the place a potentially good 240D should go!


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D who's taken her last breath, but can now give another car a new 
lease on life through organ donation 

[MBZ] Fan clutch - OM603 vs. M103?

[Dave M.]

Hi all,

Someone over on MBShop forum just said they successfully used an M103
fan clutch (which is cheap & easily available) on to an OM603 (which
uses a more expensive clutch). I never even thought of this before.
Anyone know what the functional difference is between the two, if any?
Read for yourself here (near the end):

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=146894

Looking at photos of each on Rusty's website, all I see is the 300E
fan has narrower blades, and the 300D/SDL fan has wider blades. I
wonder how that affects airflow, noise, etc, etc...

:-)


--
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 95kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)

Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Could it be purchased for scrap price? Is it a stick?

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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Turned in to scrap, ie, recycled.


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>
>huh?
>
>Jim Keefe wrote:
> > If there is no interest in this car, it looks like curtains for it.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Mike Canfield]

I'd pay more than scrap or junk price for it.

Mike
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If there is no interest in this car, it looks like curtains for it.



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Re: [MBZ] W126 rear Window

[Jim Cathey]

I'd like to remove the rear window's trim.  this to hide my satellite
wire (very small Diameter) under it.
After I slide the small center pieces over, does it just pry off?  Tap
back on with a rubber mallet?


I'm not sure it goes back in once removed.  Some windows have
to have the trim put in the rubber before the whole thing is
snaked into place.

Why not peel the lip of the rubber back where it meets the body
and tuck the wire into there?

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

[Jim Cathey]

I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the 
front
resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  
Also, are
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All 
that this
240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 
miles

from me.


I'd imagine any 115 diesel radiator would work. Catch is, automatics 
usually
have a transmission warmer provision in the radiator (though some 
usually

call it a tranny cooler) that manuals do not. This is certainly the
case in W201s.


I believe both mechanisms are at work.  Rather elegant.  The Frankenheap
(115) is currently sporting a 123 automatic radiator, though as I recall
I unsoldered the side rails from the original and they're in there
spacing things out.  It fits surprisingly well.

You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual, but not vice-versa.

For free you can certainly afford to play around a bit.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Jim Keefe]

Turned in to scrap, ie, recycled.



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huh?

Jim Keefe wrote:
> If there is no interest in this car, it looks like curtains for it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Jim Keefe]

Warren, Ma.  zip 01083



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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:58:37 -0500

Where is it?

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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If there is no interest in this car, it looks like curtains for it.



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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Marshall Booth]

I've used (and LOVED) Blizzaks for the last 5-6 years (bought 3 sets, 2 
new and one used with about 7.5kmi on them). They are as good as studs 
on snow and ice and even better on ice at temps below zero (F) (when ice 
becomes too hard for studs to penetrate) BUT only for the first 15-20kmi.


Blizzaks wear even faster if driven in temperatures much above 50-60 F. 
After the soft compound wears off (15-20kmi)they are a rather mediocre 
snow tire. As for studs - in my experience they are fine until the studs 
start to shed. Blizzaks are MUCH nicer on a just wet or dry road at 
highway speeds. A good set of studded tires can give at least 30kmi and 
some give 40+kmi of service. I have a set Vredestein studded tires that 
still have all but a couple of studs, 3/4 tread, after 46kmi - I bought 
them in 1988 (no I haven't used them on the highway in 7-8 years or even 
in the city in about 3-4 years). A friend bought and used the same 
Vredestein studded tire (same year I bought mine) in winter on his RX-7 
for 14-15 years.


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Re: [MBZ] Help.

[Rusty Cullens]

Well, why don't you tell me all about it dude.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Help.

I have an 84 190D, $3k and its hers.

Rusty Cullens wrote:

> I have a neighbor with a 16 year old girl looking for a nice W123 or
> W201. They are willing to pay for nice cosmetics and as nice
> mechanically as possible. If anyone knows of one, please let me know.
>  
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Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

[Kevin]

On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:35:30PM -0800, kevin kraly wrote:
> I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the front 
> resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  Also, are 
> the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All that this 
> 240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 miles 
> from me.

I'd imagine any 115 diesel radiator would work. Catch is, automatics usually
have a transmission warmer provision in the radiator (though some usually
call it a tranny cooler) that manuals do not. This is certainly the
case in W201s.

Junkyard radiators are extremely cheap, and u-pull ones are as well, especially
if you can solder/repair a holed tank.

K

Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[Chuck Landenberger]

Thanks Marshall..

John Ervine and I have been volleying about the term...

Take care,

Chuck
On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


Chuck Landenberger wrote:

Marshall,

I know I am being "teutonic" as I write this, but I'm going to send
it anyway.

IMHO, there is no such thing as timing chain "stretch".  Rather, it
is an elongation of the timing chain spacing due to wear, allowing
for a "slop" (technical term) to effect engine/IP operation.


Chuck, Not sure who instituted the term "stretch" in referring to  
chain
wear (the chain DOES get longer), but that's the term that is  
routinely
used to describe timing chain wear (or perhaps the measure of that  
wear)

and the unit of measure that's routinely used is "degrees of stretch"
which is the retardation of cam timing with respect to crank position.
As a first approximation, injection pump timing error in Mercedes  
OM61x
and 60x diesels is ABOUT 1/2 what cam timing error is (I've  
estimated it

- never measured it). In OM61x diesels about 5 degrees of cam error is
usually considered the limit of chain life while the chain in an OM60x
diesel should be replaced when the error exceeds 4 degrees. Chains
seldom break until the "stretch" exceeds about 8-9 degrees (the  
pistons

and valves can collide at about 10 degrees) but once stretch reaches
about 4 or 5 degrees, wear seems to increase rapidly.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Help.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have an 84 190D, $3k and its hers.

Rusty Cullens wrote:


I have a neighbor with a 16 year old girl looking for a nice W123 or
W201. They are willing to pay for nice cosmetics and as nice
mechanically as possible. If anyone knows of one, please let me know.
 
Rusty Cullens

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 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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[MBZ] Pokey

[RELNGSON]

<>

The other side of this is that merging into fast traffic at less than that 
speed (whatever it is) is dangerous, particularly to the poor bastard who is 
behind you and is more likely to get hit. Although my own car is not all that 
fast, when I can, I lay back and approach the road blocker at a higher speed 
moving into the second lane, usually after a double-downshift to the redline. 
And 
when I look back I see them still poking along at less than traffic speed with 
cars dodging all over trying to get around them.

RLE/'01 C320

Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

huh?

Jim Keefe wrote:

If there is no interest in this car, it looks like curtains for it.



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 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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[MBZ] W126 rear Window

[Peter T . Arnold]

I'd like to remove the rear window's trim.  this to hide my satellite
wire (very small Diameter) under it.
After I slide the small center pieces over, does it just pry off?  Tap
back on with a rubber mallet?



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1987 300SDL  240KMI
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  190Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
is!

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

It's a judgement call by the officer on the scene. has nothing to do 
with front rear wheel drive especially since a rwd equipped with snows 
will handle better than an equally equipped FWD in most cases
If you choose to drive on snow and you have snow tires or chains, then 
you are officially operating your vehicle with proper safety equipment 
for conditions, if someone gets into you who is not equipped, it is 
generally automatically considered their fault because the vehicle was 
not properly equiped. In some western states, not only will they call it 
the other guys fault, but they''ll write him a big fat ticket to go with 
it for not having proper safety equipment. A person is supposed to have 
enough sense to refrain from \operating their vehicle in adverse 
conditions unless properly equipped. Some states block the roads and 
won't let you go if you don't have them. others just expect you to use 
your brain.Driving on snow without snow tires or chains is about as safe 
as driving in the rain with  bald tires and no wipers. ( something that 
will also get you cited if you get in a wreck )


Robert

Zoltan Finks wrote:

Great info. I am very interested in what you wrote about the assigning of
fault in the case of crashing into or with someone in snow or ice. I have
never heard that fault may be assigned based on the type of tires one has.
Does this mean that someone with a rear drive car would get blamed over
someone with a front drive car? And would someone with four wheel drive win
in court over someone with front drive?

In other words, does this law (is it really a law, or is it an insurance
company guideline, or what is it?) apply to anything other than tires?

Thanks
Brian
83 240D

Robert wrote:

and in most cases, if you get tangled up with another car in the
snow, and the other guy doesn't have real snow tires ( all seasons don't
count ) it generally automatically becomes the other guys fault ( it's
called not having proper safety equipment for conditions ).
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Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[Marshall Booth]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

1/2 degree = h.m. mpg?


Not linear. Never tried to accurately measure it. Have changed chain and 
mpg improved by 5+% but the numbers I've seen are ALL over the place. 
Too many variables. I have moved the actual pump timing of a well 
running engine by almost 4 degrees and seen ABSOLUTELY no difference in 
fuel economy. In an engine not running nearly so well, a change of 2 
degrees resulted in detectable improvement in fuel economy.


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[MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

[kevin kraly]

I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the front 
resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  Also, are 
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All that this 
240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 miles 
from me.


Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon
1973 220D parting out 

Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[Marshall Booth]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:

Marshall,

I know I am being "teutonic" as I write this, but I'm going to send  
it anyway.


IMHO, there is no such thing as timing chain "stretch".  Rather, it  
is an elongation of the timing chain spacing due to wear, allowing  
for a "slop" (technical term) to effect engine/IP operation.


Chuck, Not sure who instituted the term "stretch" in referring to chain 
wear (the chain DOES get longer), but that's the term that is routinely 
used to describe timing chain wear (or perhaps the measure of that wear) 
and the unit of measure that's routinely used is "degrees of stretch" 
which is the retardation of cam timing with respect to crank position. 
As a first approximation, injection pump timing error in Mercedes OM61x 
and 60x diesels is ABOUT 1/2 what cam timing error is (I've estimated it 
- never measured it). In OM61x diesels about 5 degrees of cam error is 
usually considered the limit of chain life while the chain in an OM60x 
diesel should be replaced when the error exceeds 4 degrees. Chains 
seldom break until the "stretch" exceeds about 8-9 degrees (the pistons 
and valves can collide at about 10 degrees) but once stretch reaches 
about 4 or 5 degrees, wear seems to increase rapidly.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[Marshall Booth]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Marshall, what's the impact of timing chain stretch on fuel economy?



With modest stretch (even past the 5 or so degree limit) fuel economy 
seldom deteriorates much. With extensive stretching, fuel consumption 
can increase more. Anything that requires more fuel to get a given 
amount of power depresses fuel economy.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

[MBZ] Help.

[Rusty Cullens]

I have a neighbor with a 16 year old girl looking for a nice W123 or
W201. They are willing to pay for nice cosmetics and as nice
mechanically as possible. If anyone knows of one, please let me know.
 
Rusty Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hi John,

Neither am I a metallurgist...

I graciously defer to greater knowledge..

Take care and I learned something...

Chuck

On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:40 PM, John Ervine wrote:


Chuck Landenberger wrote:

Hi John,

I looked at the thesaurus too, but we are dealing w/metal and IMHO
"stretch" implies some flexibility.


Metal is, by definition, a flexible material - see malleability and  
ductility.
The stretch we measure in the timing chain is due to wear and  
fatigue of the metal.


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1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Yet another tire question

[Marshall Booth]

John Robbins wrote:
Since the topic of the day seems to be tires and whatnot, and since mine 
are basically bald, I figured it would be a good time to ask. :)


I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and 
noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter.  Will 
the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims?  Or do I just need 
to suck it up and get 15" rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall?


One other thing I saw was that the owners manual on the W116 CD provides 
tire sizes for a 280SE and 450SEL.  The 450SEL has 6.5" wide rims (with 
stock size of 205/60/R14), but the 280SE has 6" wide rims (with 
185/70/R14).  Was wondering if anyone knows what the 300SD uses


Ignoring any difference in diameter/circumference, the major effect of 
wider tires is heavier handling. Even 10mm increased width make the car 
handle just a little more heavily on all of the 123/124/201s I tried 
wider tires on. That can be fine or even pleasant for highway travel, 
but in city traffic it quickly becomes tiresome.


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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Zoltan Finks]

 'Tom,

You asked: why so hateful? I think it's human nature to act like the kids in
line at school, pushing and shoving. Why so discontent? Also human nature,
but IMHO, bolstered by TV. Someone has said that TV only exists in order to
show commercials, and commercials ony exist to make us discontent. The same
could probably be said of the print media and other.


> Tom wrote:

 People are very full of
> hate and discontent in this the freest country in the world.  Why is that
> so?
>

I can and often do think of a few more effective stickers than that for my
loyal tailgaiters. Only problem is, I don't want them on there at all times.
I almost want to make some magnetic ones to use on occasions when I know
that I will encounter the most aggression i.e. commuting to and from the
job.

Jim wrote:
Bumper sticker: "It _is_ floored!"

Tom wrote:
I call it the "Flip Maker"  As I drive up and
accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping me
the bird all the time, my pedals is to the metal.

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

[Marshall Booth]

Sunil Hari wrote:

i thought 87 was the one and only year they put a 2.5 turbo in the 190
series ...


It's the only year that 190D 2.5 turbos were officially imported to the 
US (when fewer than 1400 came in), but they were made and sold in fairly 
large numbers (3-5k/year) thru 1993 in Europe.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] buying a used Mercedes diesel (was Re: 1977 300D nonturbo engine replacement Cross Roads)

[kevin kraly]

He _paid_ $250, he _wants_ $400.

He paid $250 for the new starter, who knows what he actually paid for the 
car.  I'd say it's worth no more than what he paid for the starter, $250. 
At the right price, it could be a pretty good deal if I can tolerate the 
smell of gas, and it's a W115 model with the M115 carbureted engine.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D parting out 

Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Where is it?

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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Subject: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?


If there is no interest in this car, it looks like curtains for it.



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[MBZ] 1981 240D $1000 to the knackers?

[Jim Keefe]

If there is no interest in this car, it looks like curtains for it.

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

No I won't put studs in them. I used to work in a factory where we made
studs and studding tools-I know the process.
I will run the blizzaks as is next winter. 

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free 
> blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the 
> changeover.
>
> Dwight Giles, Jr


If you intend to put studs in used tires be prepared to pick
each  
and every stud hole clean. Little stones, sand, glass chips  etc will  
not allow the studs to be installed properly. This can be quite time  
consuming, more so if you intend to run all 4. Not cleaning out the  
holes will result in problems ranging from studs falling out to  
punctures. I'll never do it again unless I get mint tires for free.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[John Ervine]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:

Hi John,

I looked at the thesaurus too, but we are dealing w/metal and IMHO  
"stretch" implies some flexibility.


Metal is, by definition, a flexible material - see malleability and ductility. 
The stretch we measure in the timing chain is due to wear and fatigue of the metal.


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1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Zoltan Finks]

That's good news. As soon as I can get better tires on there and become a
better driver, and place a few sandbags in the the space designed for them,
I can expect the car to back me up into my parking space like all my other
cars do.

Brian

Marshall wrote:

Your problem isn't the design of the car. It may be your tires or it may
be your driving, but it's NOT the car's design.

Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hi John,

I looked at the thesaurus too, but we are dealing w/metal and IMHO  
"stretch" implies some flexibility.


A timing chain gets longer because of wear of its component metal  
parts causing its length to increase, not due to any flexibility of  
its parts


Just my humble opinion.  and I grant I am not Roget nor  
Webster...


Take care

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1986 190E 2.3 16 Valve
1980 300SD

On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:03 PM, John Ervine wrote:


Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Opinion?


Yeah, look in a thesaurus and understand that "elongation" and  
"stretch" are
synonyms for one another.  As are distension, expansion,  
lengthening, widening,
and many others that find their way into spam-mail and inboxes the  
world over.


--
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1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[Jim Cathey]

IMHO, there is no such thing as timing chain "stretch".  Rather, it
is an elongation of the timing chain spacing due to wear, allowing
for a "slop" (technical term) to effect engine/IP operation.


The 'stretch' (non-elastic) is effected by slop (as opposed to
an actual lengthening of material) affecting your engine's
operation.  It is true enough, and is a nice simple term.
I'm as anal as they come, but this term's OK with me!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Yet another tire question

[John Berryman]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:47 AM, John Robbins wrote:


I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and
noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter.   
Will
the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims?  Or do I just  
need

to suck it up and get 15" rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall?



	I run 205/70/14s on all of our 123s and the 116 with no problems.  
The speedo on all these cars is right on the money.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] In like a Lion Cars

[Jim Cathey]

Should have said I asked for phone number and would have called. No 
response

- I never offered any $.


I made a K offer.


It's snowing here what's Spokane like.


Snowing.  _And_ windy!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[andrew strasfogel]

1/2 degree = h.m. mpg?



On 3/9/06, John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> > Marshall, what's the impact of timing chain stretch on fuel economy?
>
> Chain stretch is directly related to injection pump timing, and pump
> timing is
> directly related to fuel economy.
>
> Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think every degree of chain
> stretch
> is about a 1/2 degree change in pump timing.
>
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> 1980 300TD 175+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
> 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
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Re: [MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[John Ervine]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Opinion?


Yeah, look in a thesaurus and understand that "elongation" and "stretch" are 
synonyms for one another.  As are distension, expansion, lengthening, widening, 
and many others that find their way into spam-mail and inboxes the world over.


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1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Mike Canfield]

Most shops will not stud a used tire for that reason exactly..You can 
get the studs in but they won't stay for long.


Mike
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On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:


Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free
blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the
changeover.

Dwight Giles, Jr



If you intend to put studs in used tires be prepared to pick each
and every stud hole clean. Little stones, sand, glass chips  etc will
not allow the studs to be installed properly. This can be quite time
consuming, more so if you intend to run all 4. Not cleaning out the
holes will result in problems ranging from studs falling out to
punctures. I'll never do it again unless I get mint tires for free.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[John Berryman]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:


Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free
blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the
changeover.

Dwight Giles, Jr



	If you intend to put studs in used tires be prepared to pick each  
and every stud hole clean. Little stones, sand, glass chips  etc will  
not allow the studs to be installed properly. This can be quite time  
consuming, more so if you intend to run all 4. Not cleaning out the  
holes will result in problems ranging from studs falling out to  
punctures. I'll never do it again unless I get mint tires for free.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[John Berryman]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Levi Smith wrote:

I'll second the Blizzaks.  I've yet to run anything that compares.   
Though

I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.



	I have used both Blizzaks and Nokian Hakkapalitas as well as many  
other brands. Hancook Zovacks with studs work at least as well and  
are less than half the cost. We live where Winter is long deep and cold.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] Chain Stretch?

[Chuck Landenberger]

Marshall,

I know I am being "teutonic" as I write this, but I'm going to send  
it anyway.


IMHO, there is no such thing as timing chain "stretch".  Rather, it  
is an elongation of the timing chain spacing due to wear, allowing  
for a "slop" (technical term) to effect engine/IP operation.


Opinion?

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:07 AM, John Ervine wrote:


andrew strasfogel wrote:

Marshall, what's the impact of timing chain stretch on fuel economy?

Re: [MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!

[Luther Gulseth]

That works out really well since most ships sail full Asia to US and empty US 
to Asia..

~Andrew..
~
~It's simple  You use this only where the prevailing  
~westerlies get you to where you want to go!  US to Europe...  Asia to  
~US.  DOH!.
~
~Chuck
~Phoenix AZ
~On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:54 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
~
~> What if you're sailing into the prevailing westerlies?
~>
~>
~



-- 
Luther KB5QHU 
Alma, Ark 
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (159,222 kmi) 
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

[John Berryman]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Sunil Hari wrote:


i thought 87 was the one and only year they put a 2.5 turbo in the 190
series ...




It is.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] In like a Lion Cars

[Woodlandtaylors]

Jim, 

Should have said I asked for phone number and would have called. No response
- I never offered any $. It's snowing here what's Spokane like.

Dennis T 


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Re: [MBZ] In like a Lion Cars

[Woodlandtaylors]

Jim,

I asked to will be up there all next week - no reply. Probably sold.

Dennis T

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> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/139007556.html  -- Car for Jim - 
> offer

I did, but no response!  Perhaps my offer was insultingly low?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] In like a Lion Cars

[Jim Cathey]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/139007556.html  -- Car for Jim - 
offer


I did, but no response!  Perhaps my offer was insultingly low?

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew..

It's simple  You use this only where the prevailing  
westerlies get you to where you want to go!  US to Europe...  Asia to  
US.  DOH!.


Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:54 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


What if you're sailing into the prevailing westerlies?

Re: [MBZ] OT: 1988 Caprice Classic half track/ice fishing vehicle

[Mike Canfield]

Google Model T snowmobile.All kinds of cool stuff here and there 
like that.


Mike
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On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:42 AM, David Brodbeck wrote:


It's extremely clever and also frightening at the same time.

It looks like something Red Green would come up with.



I have seen set-ups like this in use. Conversion kits were available
for Model A Fords and maybe even earlier vehicles, so this is not new
technology. I saw a good early example in the Dixie Gun Works Auto
Museum in Union City Tennessee last year.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[John Ervine]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Marshall, what's the impact of timing chain stretch on fuel economy?


Chain stretch is directly related to injection pump timing, and pump timing is 
directly related to fuel economy.


Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think every degree of chain stretch 
is about a 1/2 degree change in pump timing.


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1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[andrew strasfogel]

Marshall, what's the impact of timing chain stretch on fuel economy?

1983 300TD


On 3/9/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
>
> >   Is this the head gasket? If so, anyone have a rebuilt head they'd
> > like to get rid of? Not in a big rush to fix it, but would like my
> > 26mpg back!
> >
> >   Thanks,
> >   Karl
>
>
>It is doubtful that either the head or gasket has failed. The
> coolant consumption would be much more noticeable. Your decline in
> mpgs could be a result of "winterized" fuel. A 10%-20% drop in fuel
> economy can be expected.
>Pressure testing the cooling system may point to a leak which is a
> more likely scenario.
>The pressure in the cooling system warm or cold is not a definitive
> although many panic when they here the hiss. Look for staining at
> hose connections, gaskets, water pump and on the R front floor.
>
> Johnny B.
> I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!

[andrew strasfogel]

What if you're sailing into the prevailing westerlies?

On 3/8/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The tac is the difficult part to master while going down the Interstate.
>
> On 3/8/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Now we just need to adapt it for use when we're driving our Benzes
> > downwind..   Rapid withdrawal and deployment absolutely needed
> > Lt. Don  Can we do this without a mast and spinnaker
> > pole  And how would we jibe?All in jest
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck...
> > On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Dave M. wrote:
> >
> > > This is too cool. Reminds me of Kevin Costner's little trick in
> > > 'Waterworld'. I wonder how it would work on a 240D?
> > >
> > > http://www.bookofjoe.com/2005/09/skysail_the_kit.html
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > >
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> > > Boise, ID
> > > 1994 E500 - 95kmi  (Q-ship)
> > > 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1988 Caprice Classic half track/ice fishing vehicle

[John Berryman]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:42 AM, David Brodbeck wrote:


It's extremely clever and also frightening at the same time.

It looks like something Red Green would come up with.



	I have seen set-ups like this in use. Conversion kits were available  
for Model A Fords and maybe even earlier vehicles, so this is not new  
technology. I saw a good early example in the Dixie Gun Works Auto  
Museum in Union City Tennessee last year.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[John Berryman]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me  
ask: Do

they wear out very quickly on dry pavement?


	No but, by law, most states require that they are removed by a  
predetermined date. In NY they are allowed from Oct 15-May 15.




Or can you use them throughout
the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many  
seasons do

they last?


Yes and longevity depends on all of the variables.


I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all
would go bye bye quickly.


	Not really especially if they are carbide. Most newer/better snow  
tires have a cushion beneath the studs to allow them to retract a bit  
on contact. Centrifugal force helps them come out and get a purchase  
when the wheels spin.




Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some  
places?


	They are illegal in some locales, I believe Canada or at least  
Ontario doesn't allow them




Brian


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[John Berryman]

On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

On a positive note, a brief drive tonight to the store for grocs.  
was quite

pleasing



Feelng better now?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[John Berryman]

On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:

  Is this the head gasket? If so, anyone have a rebuilt head they'd  
like to get rid of? Not in a big rush to fix it, but would like my  
26mpg back!


  Thanks,
  Karl



	It is doubtful that either the head or gasket has failed. The  
coolant consumption would be much more noticeable. Your decline in  
mpgs could be a result of "winterized" fuel. A 10%-20% drop in fuel  
economy can be expected.
	Pressure testing the cooling system may point to a leak which is a  
more likely scenario.
	The pressure in the cooling system warm or cold is not a definitive  
although many panic when they here the hiss. Look for staining at  
hose connections, gaskets, water pump and on the R front floor.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] speaking of wheels

[Desert Rat]

Don, they won't fit on your W126 chassis.Your ET is approximately 25.



On 3/9/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lee L. wrote:
>
>
>
> "Speaking of wheels, I have a set of 4 E300 wheels on ebay . . . "
>
>
>
> Anyone know if these will fit on my car.  1990 300SEL.  According to the
> listing they are 16 x 7.5  41 et.   I have the original 15 hole wheels
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>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Curt Raymond]

I would have disagreed with this until a couple winters ago when I had snows 
put on the 240D. I got just cheapies from Tire Warehouse but they were 
outstanding, except on water when you have to carefully modulate the brakes to 
not slide. With those cheapie snows the 240D would go anywhere. Of course with 
good all seasons it would go nearly anywhere... Lasted good too, I put like 
30,000 on 'em without unacceptable wear.
   
  My 190D with good allseasons goes pretty good but I'm thinking next winter 
I'll get a set of snows on it...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:30:38 -0700
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A couple of general comments on this thread:

1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake
on the mountain symbol (not "M+S" rated tires, which means NOTHING)...
is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to steer,
and/or stop, right? A set of snows usually last for many seasons. A
couple hundred bucks, spread out over a few years, is way cheaper
than wrecking your car, or getting stranded somewhere.

2) Anyone who thinks "all season" tires work great in snow or ice
either does not live in real ice or snow country, or has never driven
a car with four real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean
"snow tire").


(flame suit on)

Dave M.
(Four studded Kumhos KW-11's on the VW, studless Kumhos on the 300E)



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On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:12 AM, michael smith wrote:

>  Also have brake pads for W116 (rear) and multiple front brake  
> calipers for W116
>
>   Mike in San Diego


Mike,
I could use a pair of Bendix front calipers (as long as they're not  
stuck) and I could also put the rear pads to use. I found some reman  
calipers for $52.00 ea but would rebuild a used pair, both for peace  
of mind and $aving. Do you have good hoses w/calipers?
E-mail me  [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to ship to me  
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can PayPal the $$ or whatever method you prefer. I will be starting  
work on my 116 in the next few days.

Thanks,
Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[Marshall Booth]

Karl Wittnebel wrote:
1985 300TD has high pressure in the radiator tank even when cold. Runs low on coolant, but only about twice a year, no visible leak. Mileage has decreased from 26 -> 21mpg, no detectable loss of power. Performed coolant chemical test for leak, which was negative. 
   
  Is this the head gasket? If so, anyone have a rebuilt head they'd like to get rid of? Not in a big rush to fix it, but would like my 26mpg back!


Head gasket problems on that engine are very rare. Cold cooling system 
pressure is common in Mercedes diesels. Much, much more likely to be a 
poor or erratic seal on the cooling system cap or some other leak.


The fuel consumption is MUCH more likely to be a stuck thermostat (an 
engine that is slow to heat up can drop fuel economy by 30% in city 
driving) or fuel system leak. Does the hand fuel pump leak when you pump 
it?  When were the return lines replaced? What about the flex hoses from 
the metal lines to the fuel tank? When were the fuel filters changed? 
What does the timing chain stretch measure?


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Marshall Booth]

Loren Faeth wrote:
I like sticky all weather tires.  I generally look for T rated A A or AB 
tires that have fairly soft compounds.  They may not go 100K, but i won't 
end up in the ditch or worse either.  When i got my 200D back in 72, i 
bought a set of dunlops to go with it.  These tires had a mini dog-biscuit 
tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range).  I've not seen 
anything else as good in all conditions since.  I could plow snow with that 
car on those tires.  Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are 
not a year round tire.  I am currently trying out contis.  When i could get 
German Contis, that was all I'd buy.  The jury is still out on these US 
(general) contis.


Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise 
go to pot.  They are overpriced.  They are french.  I don't want 
them.  Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a 
problem.  The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too.  Bad years are 
overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on 
expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out!  I was 
impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987)  I could 
buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come 
apart or slip a belt.  I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the 
valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble.  I even had 
frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it.  (cause there were no 
Contis available in that size at the time)  They seemed to do ok and had a 
grippy tread pattern and decent compound.


I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, 
and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu.  I was not happy with 
them.  They came apart after a year or two.


I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow 
and ice.  I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is 
about the end for them as a set of 4.  I think I can get one more winter 
out of 2 of them.


As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and 
driver.  I am a Dieseler.  I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA 
circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year.  Medium grade, all season tires are 
suited for this application


I won't buy hard high mileage tires.  They will wreck your car and can kill 
you and other people.


My mantra:  Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance.   $0.02


Never had a Conti (I've had 4-5 sets of them) last more than 35-40kmi 
and there was NOTHING about wet or dry traction that was better than 
adequate. They WERE fairly quiet.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Marshall Booth]

Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:
Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in 
water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are 
generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if 
they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks 
those things used to scare me to death.


While I have NEVER been fond of the traction or life of the MXV3/4 tires 
that Mercedes supplied as OE on most of my cars, I have used 4 sets (on 
3 different cars) of Michelin X-Ones and have been totally satisfied 
with them in good and bad (even in snow) weather and have gotten 
exceptional life (80+kmi) from each set. If they still made the tire, 
they would be the next set of all season tires on the next car that 
needs tires.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Marshall Booth]

Zoltan Finks wrote:

I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel
while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow,
just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was
spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the
asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and
they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do
recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who
knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any
other state present I would not have been able to park.


Your problem isn't the design of the car. It may be your tires or it may 
be your driving, but it's NOT the car's design. The only time I 
experience anything lake what you are describing (in a 201 190D) it was 
the tires (they had plenty of tread). New quality tires and all traction 
problems went away. In snow, 75-100 lb in the trunk (which makes the 
front/rear weight distribution almost a perfect 50:50) improves traction 
even with studded tires.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] head gasket OM 617

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I doubt you have any head/gasket problems.  If you did you would be 
going thru coolant more often than that.  As far as the mileage goes, 
there are many other things that would cause a drop in mileage before a 
head gasket would.  If you still want a head I have them available.


Karl Wittnebel wrote:

1985 300TD has high pressure in the radiator tank even when cold. Runs low on coolant, but only about twice a year, no visible leak. Mileage has decreased from 26 -> 21mpg, no detectable loss of power. Performed coolant chemical test for leak, which was negative. 
   
  Is this the head gasket? If so, anyone have a rebuilt head they'd like to get rid of? Not in a big rush to fix it, but would like my 26mpg back!
   
  Thanks,

  Karl




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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Im trying out the kumhos, many folks around here like them, they are 
cheap, last a long time, and have good traction supposedly.


Loren Faeth wrote:

I like sticky all weather tires.  I generally look for T rated A A or AB 
tires that have fairly soft compounds.  They may not go 100K, but i won't 
end up in the ditch or worse either.  When i got my 200D back in 72, i 
bought a set of dunlops to go with it.  These tires had a mini dog-biscuit 
tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range).  I've not seen 
anything else as good in all conditions since.  I could plow snow with that 
car on those tires.  Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are 
not a year round tire.  I am currently trying out contis.  When i could get 
German Contis, that was all I'd buy.  The jury is still out on these US 
(general) contis.


Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise 
go to pot.  They are overpriced.  They are french.  I don't want 
them.  Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a 
problem.  The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too.  Bad years are 
overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on 
expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out!  I was 
impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987)  I could 
buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come 
apart or slip a belt.  I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the 
valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble.  I even had 
frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it.  (cause there were no 
Contis available in that size at the time)  They seemed to do ok and had a 
grippy tread pattern and decent compound.


I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, 
and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu.  I was not happy with 
them.  They came apart after a year or two.


I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow 
and ice.  I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is 
about the end for them as a set of 4.  I think I can get one more winter 
out of 2 of them.


As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and 
driver.  I am a Dieseler.  I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA 
circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year.  Medium grade, all season tires are 
suited for this application


I won't buy hard high mileage tires.  They will wreck your car and can kill 
you and other people.


My mantra:  Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance.   $0.02

Loren
Lotsa MBs now
A company Dog Caravan I drive sometimes.

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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[John Berryman]

On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:10 PM, LT Don wrote:


John:

I am 53 years old. I expect to still be driving this same 240D when  
the
State of Iowa makes me surrender my license in three or four  
decades. (I
drive about 6000 miles a year.) It will be a rusty SOB by then, but  
I think
the engine will still be cranking out that 68 horsepower and  
burning a few

quarts of Mobil 1 Spaceship/Spacestation (by then) every so often.



	This, in my opinion, is a reasonable expectation. So if you put a  
little extra $$$ into it now, it'll work out in the long run.


	I f you have $2000 in a car and it lasts a year with no major  
problems, you got your money's worth. Anything past that and you're  
ahead of the game.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

[Marshall Booth]

Sunil Hari wrote:

i thought 87 was the one and only year they put a 2.5 turbo in the 190
series ...


There were about 1400 190D 2.5 turbos and 20,000 190D 2.5 naturally 
aspirated cars brought to the US in '87.


All of the injectors in 602 engines were inclined (unlike all of the 
601/603 engine brought to the US in the '80s). In the '90s all of the 
OM602/603 Mercedes diesels used inclined injection. I know of no 
significant difference in them EXCEPT the pop pressure difference 
between turbo and non-turbo engines.


The glow plugs used in OM602 engines were different than what was used 
in previous engines (that had a 25 mm heater length) and some of them 
are expensive to replace ($20-30 each) and hard to find (especially the 
one with a 27 mm heater length - the ones with 23 mm heater length are 
easier to obtain as they were used in many more engines than the 27s).


The 190D 2.5 non-turbo is a VERY reliable engine - almost 
indestructible. Sufficient power (90 hp), acceleration (0-62 mph - 15.1 
sec) equal to an '81-85 300SD or only about a second slower than an 
'82-'85 300Dt with turbo engines with better economy (low 30 mpg 
highway) and handles MUCH better than any 123 model car. With a rebuilt 
transmission, this car could easily deliver another 200+kmi of reliable 
operation with modest maintenance and service. The heating/AC system IS 
expensive to repair/service.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] Yet another tire question

[John Robbins]

Thanks for the excellent info Chuck!  Will be writing you an email about 
those 15x7" in just a moment :)What made you decided to go back to 
the bundt wheels? 


John
'79 300SD

PS: Noticed you got a 16V 190E... I imagine you've had some fun tossing 
that car around ;)



Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Hi John,

I've used several different size tires on my 300SD.  Stock is the  
185 HR 14.  I have tried 205/65/R14, 225/60/R14 (BFG R-1 RACE TIRES)  
and 205/70/R14 Yokohama Avid T4's (now on car) .
For the MBCA TOR Event at Virginia International Raceway last  
September, I used a 15" x7" wheels (off a 126) w/205/55/R15 Kuhmos,  
not really a race tire but a soft street tire compound.  Those are  
now in my garage and if anyone is interested in them, contact me  
offline, please.


Had no problems w/any of the various sizes.  The rolling  
circumferences were pretty much the same.  IIRC within 2%.


The only difference I noticed was an purely in appearance.  The 60  
profile does not "fill" the wheel opening, whereas the 70 profile does.


BTW, I got both the Yokes and the Kuhmos from Tire Rack and had them  
mounted locally.


Hope this helps.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1980 300SD
1986 190E 2.3 16 Valve...

On Mar 9, 2006, at 7:47 AM, John Robbins wrote:

 

Since the topic of the day seems to be tires and whatnot, and since  
mine

are basically bald, I figured it would be a good time to ask. :)

I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and
noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter.   
Will
the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims?  Or do I just  
need

to suck it up and get 15" rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall?

One other thing I saw was that the owners manual on the W116 CD  
provides
tire sizes for a 280SE and 450SEL.  The 450SEL has 6.5" wide rims  
(with

stock size of 205/60/R14), but the 280SE has 6" wide rims (with
185/70/R14).  Was wondering if anyone knows what the 300SD uses

Thanks!!!
John
'79 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Dave M.]

A couple of general comments on this thread:

1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake
on the mountain symbol (not "M+S" rated tires, which means NOTHING)...
is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to steer,
and/or stop, right? A set of snows usually last for many seasons. A
couple hundred bucks, spread out over a few years, is way cheaper
than wrecking your car, or getting stranded somewhere.

2) Anyone who thinks "all season" tires work great in snow or ice
either does not live in real ice or snow country, or has never driven
a car with four real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean
"snow tire").


(flame suit on)

Dave M.
(Four studded Kumhos KW-11's on the VW, studless Kumhos on the 300E)


> --
> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:47:14 -0500
> From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
>
>
> Dwight said:
>
> "The problem now is that the studs are worn
> down, but there is a lot of  aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am
> throwing away good tires."
>
> Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do
> the job.  When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite.
> Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads
> until the studs are worn down some.  I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE
> Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were "broken
> in".
>
>  I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215
> aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!!  So good in fact that
> you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in.
> Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast
> on the highway.  No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and
> soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find.
>
> My $.02, Mike

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

[Sunil Hari]

i thought 87 was the one and only year they put a 2.5 turbo in the 190
series ...

On 3/9/06, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't believe this one is, but I could be wrong - Mercedes did put a
> turbo
> 2.5 liter engine in the E class.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:42 AM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
>
> That's not a turbo is it?
>
> Dwight Giles, Jr
> 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
> 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
> Wickford, RI
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:39 AM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL
>
>
> Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix
> took unique injectors. This might be the year.
>
>
> T
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another tire question

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hi John,

I've used several different size tires on my 300SD.  Stock is the  
185 HR 14.  I have tried 205/65/R14, 225/60/R14 (BFG R-1 RACE TIRES)  
and 205/70/R14 Yokohama Avid T4's (now on car) .
For the MBCA TOR Event at Virginia International Raceway last  
September, I used a 15" x7" wheels (off a 126) w/205/55/R15 Kuhmos,  
not really a race tire but a soft street tire compound.  Those are  
now in my garage and if anyone is interested in them, contact me  
offline, please.


Had no problems w/any of the various sizes.  The rolling  
circumferences were pretty much the same.  IIRC within 2%.


The only difference I noticed was an purely in appearance.  The 60  
profile does not "fill" the wheel opening, whereas the 70 profile does.


BTW, I got both the Yokes and the Kuhmos from Tire Rack and had them  
mounted locally.


Hope this helps.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1980 300SD
1986 190E 2.3 16 Valve...

On Mar 9, 2006, at 7:47 AM, John Robbins wrote:

Since the topic of the day seems to be tires and whatnot, and since  
mine

are basically bald, I figured it would be a good time to ask. :)

I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and
noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter.   
Will
the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims?  Or do I just  
need

to suck it up and get 15" rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall?

One other thing I saw was that the owners manual on the W116 CD  
provides
tire sizes for a 280SE and 450SEL.  The 450SEL has 6.5" wide rims  
(with

stock size of 205/60/R14), but the 280SE has 6" wide rims (with
185/70/R14).  Was wondering if anyone knows what the 300SD uses

Thanks!!!
John
'79 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[John Berryman]

On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


 My best deal is probably the Frankenheap.
But it's not a datemobile, to say the least!



	My best MB deal has to be "The $100 Car" 1979 300SD w/ 134,000mi. It  
really just needed to be cleaned up and driven after some adjustments  
and I had to put the GP wire connector back together on the relay end.
	It has gone over 50,000mi since we had it and I recently treated it  
to a new set of Bilsteins and tires. It is getting a new starter and  
a pair of rebuilt front calipers soon. Oh, I almost forgot, I need to  
replace/repair the radiator too.
	I will give my newest acquisition (86 190D Euro w/65,000mi) to my  
wife and drive the 116. Unless of course she decides that she prefers  
the 300SD.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] Apple original Airport card

[John Berryman]

	Does anyone have an original Apple Airport card they are interested  
in selling or swapping for MB parts or whatever else? I see Airport  
Extreme cards all over but I can't use the Extreme card for my purposes.
	 My house was hit by lightning in August and damaged a lot of stuff.  
Among the items damaged is an Apple DVSE 500MgHz iMac.
	The iMac lost the ability to network via ethernet and 1 of 2  
FireWire ports. I also lost my hard wired router and replaced it with  
a Belkin wireless + 4 port router, as at the time that's the only one  
I could find. I never considered using it in wireless mode until now.
	I was either going to repair the old machine or give it to my buddy  
in Tn to replace an earlier tray-loading iMac that I gave him. He can  
only get to the internet via phone line.
	 I would really love to keep this machine active on my home network  
as it is zipped up a bit and give him the DV 400 that I intended to  
give him.
	I can repair it with a replacement logic board with IO board  
attached as a second choice but it would be much easier to just go  
wireless.
	If anyone has any alternatives and/or the items I'm looking for,  
please let me know.


Thanks, 
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

[Tom Hargrave]

I don't believe this one is, but I could be wrong - Mercedes did put a turbo
2.5 liter engine in the E class. 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:42 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

That's not a turbo is it?

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:39 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL


Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix
took unique injectors. This might be the year. 


T


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[MBZ] Yet another tire question

[John Robbins]

Since the topic of the day seems to be tires and whatnot, and since mine 
are basically bald, I figured it would be a good time to ask. :)


I've got 185/70/R14 tires on there now, and was playing around and 
noticed that 205/60/R14 tires are almost the exact same diameter.  Will 
the extra width work with the stock bundt cake rims?  Or do I just need 
to suck it up and get 15" rims for a slightly lower profile sidewall?


One other thing I saw was that the owners manual on the W116 CD provides 
tire sizes for a 280SE and 450SEL.  The 450SEL has 6.5" wide rims (with 
stock size of 205/60/R14), but the 280SE has 6" wide rims (with 
185/70/R14).  Was wondering if anyone knows what the 300SD uses


Thanks!!!
John
'79 300SD

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

That's not a turbo is it?

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:39 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL


Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix
took unique injectors. This might be the year. 


T

Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL

[Tom Hargrave]

Probably one of the best Mercedes diesels build, but one year in the mix
took unique injectors. This might be the year. 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:34 PM
To: mercedes
Subject: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes-Benz : 190-Series 2.5DIESEL


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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free
blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the
changeover.

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:47 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions


Dwight said:

"The problem now is that the studs are worn
down, but there is a lot of  aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am
throwing away good tires."

Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't
do 
the job.  When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to
bite. 
Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet
roads 
until the studs are worn down some.  I'm sure the old Chevy II(My
FAVORITE 
Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were "broken

in".
  I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 
aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!!  So good in fact
that 
you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig
in. 
Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very
fast 
on the highway.  No need for studs at all with them though as the siping
and 
soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find.

My $.02, Mike 


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Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Mike Canfield]

Used to run the Nokians on a Subaru hatchback..That thing would go 
anywhere in the snow on and off the road.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions



I'll second the Blizzaks.  I've yet to run anything that compares.  Though
I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.

As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on
and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges.  (do they 
even

make those anymore?)
Oops, no more studs...  (:

Levi

On 3/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dwight said:

"The problem now is that the studs are worn
down, but there is a lot of  aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am
throwing away good tires."

Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do
the job.  When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to
bite.
Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet 
roads
until the studs are worn down some.  I'm sure the old Chevy II(My 
FAVORITE

Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were "broken
in".
  I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215
aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!!  So good in fact
that
you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig 
in.
Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very 
fast

on the highway.  No need for studs at all with them though as the siping
and
soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find.

My $.02, Mike



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Re: [MBZ] buying a used Mercedes diesel (was Re: 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads)

[Jim Cathey]

was willing to take.  For $100, I thought that I could end up with a 
runner,
and if it was busted, I could pass it on to the next person who would 
buy it

who needed a 220D parts car.


Sounds like a fairly safe plan.

My next foray into the world of cheap and not so cheap old Mercedes 
moves
on.  The first possibility is a 1972 220 GULP GASSER GULP that I could 
get

for a mere $250 that needs an alternator or perhaps a battery.

http://portland.craigslist.org/car/139841661.html


He _paid_ $250, he _wants_ $400.


The next is a 1981 300D for $750 OBO.

http://portland.craigslist.org/car/140106251.html


Sounds like a better bet.  But I don't like the smell of gas.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Jim Cathey]

123 chassis.  The vacuum door locks give me real grief on all those. I 
do by


With some ingenuity, the electric-pump system of later cars 
(124/126/201)

could be fitted to your 123.  On the whole that system is a lot more
reliable.  It would be a labor of love, for a car that otherwise
pleased you quite well.  At the U-Pull, the stuff would run maybe
$50 or so for everything.  The rest would be minor fabrication and
running the wiring.

the way have a 1979 240D too.  I call it the "Flip Maker"  As I drive 
up and
accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping 
me

the bird all the time, my pedal is to the metal.


Bumper sticker: "It _is_ floored!"

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Jim Cathey]

I'll second the Blizzaks.  I've yet to run anything that compares.


The Chicken Wagon came with a set of these on it.  No problems
getting around, but that car gets driven very little.


Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.


I put studded Hakka 1's on the SDL and my wife's SL.  The SL's
set has migrated to the Frankenheap.  They are (or perhaps 'were',
they're like 5+ years old now) amazing.

But the most amazing winter feats have been in the truck,
on all-season semi-aggressive on/offroad tires, carrying
the camper.  400# in the bed?  How about 3000+#!  4wd too.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Levi Smith]

I'll second the Blizzaks.  I've yet to run anything that compares.  Though
I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.

As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on
and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges.  (do they even
make those anymore?)
Oops, no more studs...  (:

Levi

On 3/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dwight said:
>
> "The problem now is that the studs are worn
> down, but there is a lot of  aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am
> throwing away good tires."
>
> Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do
> the job.  When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to
> bite.
> Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads
> until the studs are worn down some.  I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE
> Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were "broken
> in".
>   I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215
> aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!!  So good in fact
> that
> you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in.
> Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast
> on the highway.  No need for studs at all with them though as the siping
> and
> soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find.
>
> My $.02, Mike
>
>

Re: [MBZ] speaking of wheels

[Donald Snook]

Lee L. wrote:

 

"Speaking of wheels, I have a set of 4 E300 wheels on ebay . . . " 

 

Anyone know if these will fit on my car.  1990 300SEL.  According to the
listing they are 16 x 7.5  41 et.   I have the original 15 hole wheels
which are 15 inch.  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 125K

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Donald Snook]

Johnny B. wrote:

 

   "I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$
in  

their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw  

parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly  

diagnose problems."

 

 

I have a good example in my car - 1990 300SEL.  The previous owner
bought it for $10,500 in Early 2003. It only had 75,000 at the time.
Over the next two and half years he spent over $20,000 on the car fixing
everything and making the car perfect.  He intended to drive it forever.
Well his circumstances changed, he started a new business and needed a
large 4X4 SUV.   I bought this car (which he had over $3 in) for
$5400.  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL

Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions

[Mike Canfield]

Dwight said:

"The problem now is that the studs are worn
down, but there is a lot of  aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am
throwing away good tires."

Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do 
the job.  When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. 
Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads 
until the studs are worn down some.  I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE 
Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were "broken 
in".
 I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 
aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!!  So good in fact that 
you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. 
Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast 
on the highway.  No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and 
soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find.


My $.02, Mike 

Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Richard Hattaway]

Tom,

I have swaped engines on a couple of occasions at the 240D level.  The
major issues you will run into will be the glow system and some issues
with which power steering pumps, pulleys, harmonic balancers, etc fit
what cars.  If you have A/C that can also be an issue.

What it amounts to is that there are a lot of little things that can be
handled in the amateur garage by a few beers and some friends.  In a
professional shop it becomes a big issue because all the small stuff
costs the same $$ as the big stuff per hour.

I would take a serious look at rebuilding the engine you have unless it
has a hole in the crankcase or has been significantly abused.. as in
run out of oil.  I rebuilt my last one, a 617.912, for a few hundred in
parts as opposed to replacing it.  I replaced all rings, one piston,
all lower bearings, all seals, gaskets.  I did not rebuild the head as
all the valve seats were flawless.  Time was probably 20 hours.  

One of the beauties of these engines is that they have sleeved
cylinders so you dont have to be concerned with boring.  Just replace
em.  Another great feature is that the crank journals are hardened to a
level unmatched in almost any other automotive realm.  My engine with
~450K measured at factory specs on the journals during rebuild, I used
standard inserts! 

Richard

--- Tom Scordato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A few questions for the group please
> 
> 1.  Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine
> with out 
> major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year?
> 
> 2.  What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine,
> remove 
> things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a
> used 
> motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just
> said 
> and install the new engine.  These would be the hours by a
> professional 
> mechanic.
> 
> 3.  I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at
> it.
> 
> 4.  If you could share any experience you have.  Is there a link for
> doing 
> this job?
> 
> I have located some used engines that have been compression tested
> and are 
> in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting
> for some 
> time.
> 
> I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it.
>  I do 
> not have the "scope of supply" to do the job myself where I am
> located in 
> life right now.
> 
> Thanks in advance Tom Scordato 
> 
> 
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