[MBZ] Better leave your laptop at home...
Court Ruling Allows US Border Patrol Agents To Seize Laptops ACTE Warns Travelers To Clear Proprietary Info When Crossing Borders: Anyone with plans to fly overseas -- and who's read Orwell's 1984 -- will want to pay close attention to this next story. The Association of Corporate Travel Executives (ACTE) tells ANN the group has issued an ominous warning to its members worldwide, and to all business travelers: limit proprietary information on laptop computers when crossing US borders, and to eliminate any personal data -- including photographs, finances and email that you do not want examined by Border Protection authorities. The warning follows a decision by a federal appeals court earlier this week, giving customs officials open authority to examine, copy, and seize travelers' laptops, without reasonable suspicion. ACTE filed an Amicus brief contending that a traveler's laptop was essentially intellectual property and not the same as luggage nor freight, Susan Gurley, ACTE Global Executive Director, said. The court has disagreed and this decision will have significant impact on business travelers who have no idea their data is subject to search and seizure. The association also argued there were no published guidelines as to what might trigger a secondary inspection, or the seizure of data or possibly the entire computer. According to Gurley, the expectation of privacy at the border is considerably less than one can expect in their home or office. In a time of heightened international security, it will take a brave Congress to rule that parties may not be subject to suspicionless searches, said Gurley. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals missed a golden opportunity to preserve the rights of Americans. Gurley contends this issue will surface again when a more compelling case winds its way to the Supreme Court, or additional parties seek a legislative remedy to the problem. A 2008 ACTE survey indicated that 81 percent of responding travel managers were unaware that laptops and other electronic devices that were seized could be held indefinitely. Sixty-five percent of respondents stated that their companies have now instituted a policy restricting the amount of sensitive or proprietary data that could be carried on a laptop. That number is expected to grow in the wake of this ruling. ACTE's advice to business travelers states persons should avoid carrying any confidential, personal information that they don't want examined by third parties on your computer – or other electronic devices; to purchase another travel computer, if persons use their laptop as their primary home computer. The group stresses it is not advising travelers to hide data from US border authorities... but to take reasonable steps to minimize the impact of its loss, or the inability to access it, in the event it is seized. FMI: Read The Court's Judgement (.pdf), www.acte.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
- Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know it is only Thursday but there is not much traffic on the list. Here I sit in my office bored and looking for distraction.snip * How dateable are you? Would you date yourself if you met a you of the opposite sex? Take this quiz and find out: http://hellarity.org/quiz/ * INSTALLING A HUSBAND Dear Tech Support, Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slow down in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5 and then installed undesirable programs such as NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1. Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and Housecleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. I've tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail. What can I do? Signed, Desperate. ... DEAR DESPERATE, First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. Please enter command: ithoughtyoulovedme.html and try to download Tears 6.2 and don't forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5. But remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0 or Beer 6.1. Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download the Snoring Loudly Beta. Whatever you do, DO NOT install Mother-In-Law 1.0 (it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.) Also do not attempt to reinstall Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0 and Hot Lingerie 7.7. Good Luck, Tech Support ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ghost stories
(From another list:) Pete wrote: I'm confused about how we handle paranormal events. These cannot be explained logically, yet I have personally experienced them several times myself. They cannot be explained with simple psychology either, as they are physical manifestations revealing knowledge that no one can know. In my other discussions it seems that this whole world of the paranormal is dismissed without any real reasoning, usually with a sense of fear. It doesn't appear much on our discussion lists. What do _you_ think? Is there more between heaven and earth than we can explain? ... Al wrote: I've encountered quite a few people who have extrasensory experiences. There may be a genetically determined characteristic of the mind/brain since it seems to run in families. Jim Smith (now deceased), a longtime member of this and other mailing lists, could think about his dog in the next room and the dog would shortly come to him. He was a law professor and not one given to joking or exaggeration. Only last week I thought about my old brother-in-law up north with some concern. I asked my daughter to call him and see how he was. She found that he had fairly severely injured his hand while working on a window. Normally I don't think about him or have any contact with him at all. The validation and explanation of extrasensory phenomena will be on a par with the discoveries of Newton and Einstein when it happens, but I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes. John ... Ted wrote: One night in 1974 when I was in Hawaii aboard ship in the Navy, I dreamed that my grandmother had come to visit me and we spent a nice day walking around the Naval base. About a week later, I received a letter from my mother that my grandmother had died in Pennsylvania on the same day of my dream. My wife says that she has had a dark visitor come into our bedroom several times over the past, and each time that she has seen or dreamed of this vistor, it was a precursor to our getting a message that a relative had died: her mother, her father, and my aunt. I don't know if these things or the other types of paranormal events can be explained rationally at this time. Certainly, they cannot be investigated with scientific rigor with the current tools available. But, I wonder if these events are only para-normal because we do not yet have the means to observe and document the events. Perhaps there is an alternative form of reality which we, at the present time, can only perceive in fragments. The situation could be analogous to that of the ancients who could only perceive of a flat earth until the tools and science were available to demonstrate that the earth was round. Similarly, pre-Copernicans perceived the sun rotating about the earth until they had the telescopes and mathemathics to understand what the real situation was. Perhaps we see paranormal events as a sort of hysteria/magic/etc, because we don't yet have the tools and the science/mathematics/psychology to understand a different level of reality? . From George: I have never seen a ghost myself, but sensed and heard. And my experience falls under what I call paranormal. After my mother died, the rest of the family were of course distressed. But apart from grief, we all felt this very uneasy feeling of being watched all the time. It was quite frustrating and an eerie feeling. Then about a month after the funeral I woke up in the middle of the night from three very heavy knocks on the front door. This was odd, because in order to get to the front door you needed to walk on a gravel path which went right by my bedroom, and I always woke up from the gravel sound - but not this time. There had been no sound on the gravel. I recognized the sound as being from the doorknocker we had, so I started thinking perhaps the wind had lifted it somehow. But it was a very heavy brass doorknocker, and as a small child even I had problems lifting it - how could the wind? As I was still contemplating where those three knocks came from, suddenly there were three heavy knocks on my bedroom door. I got terrified and turned on the lights. Then I heard how there were three knocks on each door in sequence throughout the house, ending with my father's bedroom door, which would have been the last if you were walking around. Then all fell silent. I was petrified, and did not dare to turn off the lights. I could not go back to sleep, I just cowered under the blankets until morning, watching the sun come up. There was never any gravel sound. Although I was still very shaken, I got up and carefully opened the door, thinking that if someone had gotten into the house, they should still be there. All looked normal. I went
Re: [MBZ] Ghost stories
Different cultures have different understanding of these phenomena - Original Message - From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ghost stories (From another list:) Pete wrote: I'm confused about how we handle paranormal events. These cannot be explained logically, yet I have personally experienced them several times myself. They cannot be explained with simple psychology either, as they are physical manifestations revealing knowledge that no one can know. In my other discussions it seems that this whole world of the paranormal is dismissed without any real reasoning, usually with a sense of fear. It doesn't appear much on our discussion lists. What do _you_ think? Is there more between heaven and earth than we can explain? ... Al wrote: I've encountered quite a few people who have extrasensory experiences. There may be a genetically determined characteristic of the mind/brain since it seems to run in families. Jim Smith (now deceased), a longtime member of this and other mailing lists, could think about his dog in the next room and the dog would shortly come to him. He was a law professor and not one given to joking or exaggeration. Only last week I thought about my old brother-in-law up north with some concern. I asked my daughter to call him and see how he was. She found that he had fairly severely injured his hand while working on a window. Normally I don't think about him or have any contact with him at all. The validation and explanation of extrasensory phenomena will be on a par with the discoveries of Newton and Einstein when it happens, but I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes. John ... Ted wrote: One night in 1974 when I was in Hawaii aboard ship in the Navy, I dreamed that my grandmother had come to visit me and we spent a nice day walking around the Naval base. About a week later, I received a letter from my mother that my grandmother had died in Pennsylvania on the same day of my dream. My wife says that she has had a dark visitor come into our bedroom several times over the past, and each time that she has seen or dreamed of this vistor, it was a precursor to our getting a message that a relative had died: her mother, her father, and my aunt. I don't know if these things or the other types of paranormal events can be explained rationally at this time. Certainly, they cannot be investigated with scientific rigor with the current tools available. But, I wonder if these events are only para-normal because we do not yet have the means to observe and document the events. Perhaps there is an alternative form of reality which we, at the present time, can only perceive in fragments. The situation could be analogous to that of the ancients who could only perceive of a flat earth until the tools and science were available to demonstrate that the earth was round. Similarly, pre-Copernicans perceived the sun rotating about the earth until they had the telescopes and mathemathics to understand what the real situation was. Perhaps we see paranormal events as a sort of hysteria/magic/etc, because we don't yet have the tools and the science/mathematics/psychology to understand a different level of reality? . From George: I have never seen a ghost myself, but sensed and heard. And my experience falls under what I call paranormal. After my mother died, the rest of the family were of course distressed. But apart from grief, we all felt this very uneasy feeling of being watched all the time. It was quite frustrating and an eerie feeling. Then about a month after the funeral I woke up in the middle of the night from three very heavy knocks on the front door. This was odd, because in order to get to the front door you needed to walk on a gravel path which went right by my bedroom, and I always woke up from the gravel sound - but not this time. There had been no sound on the gravel. I recognized the sound as being from the doorknocker we had, so I started thinking perhaps the wind had lifted it somehow. But it was a very heavy brass doorknocker, and as a small child even I had problems lifting it - how could the wind? As I was still contemplating where those three knocks came from, suddenly there were three heavy knocks on my bedroom door. I got terrified and turned on the lights. Then I heard how there were three knocks on each door in sequence throughout the house, ending with my father's bedroom door, which would have been the last if you were walking around. Then all fell silent. I was petrified, and did not dare to turn off the lights. I could not go back to sleep, I
Re: [MBZ] Better leave your laptop at home...
Seig Heil! The Fourth Reich is here! Like many rulings of the Ninth Circus Court in Commiefornia, this one needs overturning. Somebody traveling to Ontario from Michigan needs to refile the suit in the Sixth Circuit and see if we can generate a conflict of opinion. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Credit cash back
Check the fine print - one card we used had a limit to the amount of cash back. When you hit that limit, no more cash. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I'm thinking, too, if I make it work to my advantage, the credit union will soon QUASH it. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ghost Stories
I think the paranormal is quite real. I've never experienced any of it myself, but I've heard enough from credible people--including my father, a Phd. physicist and sceptic who experienced one such event which he cheerfully admits that he can not explain rationally--to believe that they can occur. Certainly there is much that we don't know, and that our rational/scientific culture can not explain or even provide language or a frame of reference for, although other cultures--generally nonwestern--can and do. The problem is, in this culture anyway, paranormal stuff often interests people who have a deep emotional need to believe, along with folks who are more than happy to take advantage of them. In fact, there's a whole tear-jerking, feel-good TV show--I think it's called Ghost Whisperer, or something similar, that does exactly this. So a lot of dross gets mixed in with the gold, and at least some paranormal stuff bandied about is probably wishful thinking or outright fakery. But I am convinced it does exist. I'm a magazine article and nonfiction book writer, and for some time my career goal has been to interview a ghost. So far, no luck, but I remain open and inclined toward the possibility. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale NOW HEY ANDREW STRASFOGEL
Not if it needs painting and has some rust. Seems over priced. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:16 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IS THIS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:40 PM To: Banned; Okie Benz Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale Just came back from picking up some camera stuff from a guy on CL. Amazingly, the guy had a 1985 300TD sitting in his driveway We started talking about the car, and I discovered that he's looking to sell it. He just had open heart surgery and his kids convinced him to buy something smaller, so he now drives a Jetta TDI. Here's the deal: 1985 300TD 155,000 original miles Dealer maintained All records 3,000 mile oil changes Dark blue Has crossmembers on roof rack No 3rd seat Good tires The only negatives I saw or learned of were: Paint is tired. Needs a serious Mercedes Martha Stewart detailing, but it's in good shape. Interior looks good, everything is intact, wood is good, blue custom sheepskins on the front. Minor (very) rust in some of the wheel arches, not rust through, but places where the paint has chipped on the edge and the exposed metal has rusted. Nothing of size, just some little chips here and there. Back edge of hood has some surface rust right on the very back edge. He says the AC needs to be recharged - it blows cool, but not cold. Otherwise he says everything is in working order. I did not drive or run it - I just did a cursory walk-around and this is what I saw. Everything else is based on what he told me. The guy is an expat from the UK and must be loaded, based on the size of the house and the stuff in and around it. The car was purchased new in Seattle and lived there for a few years before being moved to Florida. He was looking for $7k. I told him it was worth $6k in it's present condition. He's pretty savvy, and has been watching prices on eBay and CL around here, so he's not about to be taken. He wants to be rid of it, but he's not going to give it away. He's aware of the biodiesel garbage and how it's driven prices up, to give you an idea of how well-versed he is on the situation. He seemed satisfied with that number and said if he could get $6k he would be happy. I would say that if you're looking for what appears to be a good, solid wagon with a lot of life left in it, this would be a good deal. If someone wants to buy it I would be more than happy to bring it over to my place and work my detailing magic on it just for the sheer fun of it. If you're interested, drop me a note off-list. If I had the coin I would jump on this, but there is no way short of cashing out some of my 401k earnings that I could come up with the $$. Dan Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Credit cash back
Credit card terms and conditions can change at the drop of a hat. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:52 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check the fine print - one card we used had a limit to the amount of cash back. When you hit that limit, no more cash. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I'm thinking, too, if I make it work to my advantage, the credit union will soon QUASH it. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale NOW HEY ANDREW STRASFOGEL
I would not say it needs paint - it's needs a good detailing and some touch-up. If I bought it (and I wish I could) I wouldn't even consider painting it. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if it needs painting and has some rust. Seems over priced. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:16 PM, R A Bennell wrote: IS THIS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED? Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
A friend sent me http://survivalblog.com/ the other day. Its got some heavy duty doom and gloom... It just makes me want to work harder on http://www.otherpower.com/steamengine.shtml a steam engine generator. Everybody else can be holed up conserving their precious liquid fuel, I'll drive an electric car powered by wood... Seriously during WWII the Germans had alot of wood gassification digesters to power cars (or so I've been told). At the very least we can go down that route. I wouldn't want to try my 55 mile one way commute with one but it beats walking... -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:09:25 +0930 From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yeah right, obviously you have not been paying attention. Even if worst comes to worst using a steam traction engine is way more efficient than a pack of horses. Then there is bio-fuel, which a Farmer can grow. Hydrogen is perhaps another option if there are enough nuclear power stations to produce the stuff. Whilst the horse and mule story is nice for the doomsayers to scare people the reality is that technology has moved along and can also move backwards to meet demand. Hendrik Redghost wrote: All the paved over bits will be used to transport the agribusiness products to consumers who will be even further removed from the land and just how it all gets to the mega store. At least until we have global conflict to reduce our numbers and the demand for daily fuel and food. A malthusian catastrophe will ensue. Global population will crash, technology will not save us, and those who survive will need to know how to be efficient farmers without diesel tractors, but horses and mules. If we are lucky it will be our great grandchildren instead of the grandkids who have to live like the Amish. clay - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale NOW HEY ANDREW STRASFOGEL
OK, why not. Location? Contact info? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:41 AM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not say it needs paint - it's needs a good detailing and some touch-up. If I bought it (and I wish I could) I wouldn't even consider painting it. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if it needs painting and has some rust. Seems over priced. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:16 PM, R A Bennell wrote: IS THIS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED? Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
I am at the point of either painting and derusting my '83 wagon with 282 K miles, or selling fit or a pittance and buying another one of a similar vintage that doesn't need body work. Neither option is particularly palatable but I have always felt this is the BEST Mercedes model of all time, so am reluctant to drive anything else on a daily basis. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah Ed's obviously never had a wagon before... I kept my 300TD way longer than was prudent and dumped way more money in it than I should have strictly because when it was all working right it was a delightful car to drive. At some point the missus and I are going to take a cross country road trip and a 300TD is way high on the list of vehicles I want to use. Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:01:57 +0930 From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Perhaps instead of laughing you might like to remember that the wagons all had SLS, which is a system designed so that at full load the vehicle still handles like it should and not drag it's behind along the ground. Hendrik E M wrote: If you can load a bunch of 2x4s, 400lbs of concrete and roll the windows up with ac on and not notice a difference in how it normally handles, it doesn't say much about it's normal handling. lol. ;-) Ed 300E - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Yeah Ed's obviously never had a wagon before... I kept my 300TD way longer than was prudent and dumped way more money in it than I should have strictly because when it was all working right it was a delightful car to drive. At some point the missus and I are going to take a cross country road trip and a 300TD is way high on the list of vehicles I want to use. Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:01:57 +0930 From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Perhaps instead of laughing you might like to remember that the wagons all had SLS, which is a system designed so that at full load the vehicle still handles like it should and not drag it's behind along the ground. Hendrik E M wrote: If you can load a bunch of 2x4s, 400lbs of concrete and roll the windows up with ac on and not notice a difference in how it normally handles, it doesn't say much about it's normal handling. lol. ;-) Ed 300E - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Credfit cash back
I recently started using my personal card for corporate travel to gain points. Last I checked (January?) I had enough points for $100 in Amazon gift cards, should be triple that by now with 2 more trips under my belt. The goal is to get $750 for a new 32 LCD TV. I feel like an idiot that I didn't start doing this sooner, like back when I was traveling alot... -Curt Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:13:00 -0700 From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Credfit cash back To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If it's a good plan it will be squashed soon. I thought of getting some type of credit card to make my car payments with in order to earn credit towards airline tickets so we can go see my daughter in Tokyo. Is that possible? How long would it take? Bob R - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale NOW HEY ANDREW STRASFOGEL
I think Martha (Poos) lives somewhere near Tampa. andrew strasfogel wrote: OK, why not. Location? Contact info? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ?
Kaleb, My friend and I are a 50% maybe. Chris McCann Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im sorry, I meant the 7th. Things usually start off on friday though. John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: We have been thinking about having the OkieQ June 6th. I need a show of hands who would show up for sure and who would most likely show up, and who might show up? If there is enough interest, will have it. If not, then its dead I guess. Let me know ASAP. Friday? I should be able to go regardless. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Curt Raymond wrote: Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. Some friends of mine have A-Liners. Pretty cool, pop-up with no canvas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
At some point the missus and I are going to take a cross country road trip and a 300TD is way high on the list of vehicles I want to use. Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. I once ran into a guy at a rest stop that had a pretty nice outfit. He had a Caprice wagon, and was towing a trailer made out of another Caprice wagon. The nose was cut off and there was a nice-looking bulkhead in its place. The two cars were the same color. The towed wagon was the sleeping quarters. He was justifiably proud of the arrangement, it looked good and worked well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Better than the S124? I keep hoping I'll find a $700 300TE and drop my 2.5 drivetrain in it. If you've got a good running 617 with a good SLS pump on it, keep your eyes peeled for a cheap 280TE with a perfect body and needing a valve job. Mitch. andrew strasfogel wrote: I have always felt this is the BEST Mercedes model of all time, so am reluctant to drive anything else on a daily basis. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for a W123 TD/E front sway bar.
The 15mm rear swaybar is available from dealers and what not. Peter Frederick wrote: Get the front sway bar off a TE or TD, it's somewhat stiffer (larger ends) and fits perfectly. Can't help for the rear, though, unless you stumble on a Sportline. Peter On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Rolf wrote: I am just looking to upgrade the stock handling more. I plan on building my own 15mm rear sway bar with multiple holes for adjustment. The OEM 15mm bar probably costs more than I can build one for and won't have the adjustments. I have a 17mm from a W126 560 SE w/SLS but it is too stiff I believe. It also requires custom mounting holes. If anyone wants it I will sell for my cost ($20 + shipping). -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
Mad Max and Terminator all rolled up together. Guns, droids, steam and wood gas vehicles, I can't wait! --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Yeah right, obviously you have not been paying attention. Even if worst comes to worst using a steam traction engine is way more efficient than a pack of horses. Then there is bio-fuel, which a Farmer can grow. Hydrogen is perhaps another option if there are enough nuclear power stations to produce the stuff. Whilst the horse and mule story is nice for the doomsayers to scare people the reality is that technology has moved along and can also move backwards to meet demand. Hendrik Redghost wrote: All the paved over bits will be used to transport the agribusiness products to consumers who will be even further removed from the land and just how it all gets to the mega store. At least until we have global conflict to reduce our numbers and the demand for daily fuel and food. A malthusian catastrophe will ensue. Global population will crash, technology will not save us, and those who survive will need to know how to be efficient farmers without diesel tractors, but horses and mules. If we are lucky it will be our great grandchildren instead of the grandkids who have to live like the Amish. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
Curt, I went to an old truck show in England years ago-actually it was the London to Brighton run. Some Norwegians had a Model A Ford stake body-maybe 3/4 or 1 ton with a wood gas set up in the bed that powered the truck. They said it was based on German WWII technology. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:54 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some? A friend sent me http://survivalblog.com/ the other day. Its got some heavy duty doom and gloom... It just makes me want to work harder on http://www.otherpower.com/steamengine.shtml a steam engine generator. Everybody else can be holed up conserving their precious liquid fuel, I'll drive an electric car powered by wood... Seriously during WWII the Germans had alot of wood gassification digesters to power cars (or so I've been told). At the very least we can go down that route. I wouldn't want to try my 55 mile one way commute with one but it beats walking... -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:09:25 +0930 From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yeah right, obviously you have not been paying attention. Even if worst comes to worst using a steam traction engine is way more efficient than a pack of horses. Then there is bio-fuel, which a Farmer can grow. Hydrogen is perhaps another option if there are enough nuclear power stations to produce the stuff. Whilst the horse and mule story is nice for the doomsayers to scare people the reality is that technology has moved along and can also move backwards to meet demand. Hendrik Redghost wrote: All the paved over bits will be used to transport the agribusiness products to consumers who will be even further removed from the land and just how it all gets to the mega store. At least until we have global conflict to reduce our numbers and the demand for daily fuel and food. A malthusian catastrophe will ensue. Global population will crash, technology will not save us, and those who survive will need to know how to be efficient farmers without diesel tractors, but horses and mules. If we are lucky it will be our great grandchildren instead of the grandkids who have to live like the Amish. clay - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
I'm thinking either urethaned wood like: http://www.bigwoodycampers.com/deluxe.htm or aluminum like: http://www.cozycruiser.com/ The vintage look really appeals to me. Also since they're so small they'll tow well behind about any car (probably even a 240D although you wouldn't go anywhere fast..) -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:20:47 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed At some point the missus and I are going to take a cross country road trip and a 300TD is way high on the list of vehicles I want to use. Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. I once ran into a guy at a rest stop that had a pretty nice outfit. He had a Caprice wagon, and was towing a trailer made out of another Caprice wagon. The nose was cut off and there was a nice-looking bulkhead in its place. The two cars were the same color. The towed wagon was the sleeping quarters. He was justifiably proud of the arrangement, it looked good and worked well. -- Jim - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
I like the wood look ones. But towing with a 240d? You know well that the only camper to tow behind a 240D is your sleeping bag on a dolly. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:46 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale I'm thinking either urethaned wood like: http://www.bigwoodycampers.com/deluxe.htm or aluminum like: http://www.cozycruiser.com/ The vintage look really appeals to me. Also since they're so small they'll tow well behind about any car (probably even a 240D although you wouldn't go anywhere fast..) -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:20:47 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed At some point the missus and I are going to take a cross country road trip and a 300TD is way high on the list of vehicles I want to use. Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. I once ran into a guy at a rest stop that had a pretty nice outfit. He had a Caprice wagon, and was towing a trailer made out of another Caprice wagon. The nose was cut off and there was a nice-looking bulkhead in its place. The two cars were the same color. The towed wagon was the sleeping quarters. He was justifiably proud of the arrangement, it looked good and worked well. -- Jim - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: I like the wood look ones. But towing with a 240d? You know well that the only camper to tow behind a 240D is your sleeping bag on a dolly. I thought they pulled caravans in Europe with 240TDs. The views are spectacular climbing the Alps at 25mph. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oversteer
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, weight distribution means nothing, then? Oh wait, I forgot where you live. Actually, wouldn't a load of 2x4s and cinder blocks make a 300TD a better vehicle for your neck of the woods, Roger? When I lived there, every time I was stopped at a light just short of the top of a hill in the rain I thought about how the ideal Seattle car was something with rear-wheel-drive and a pronounced rear-biased weight distribution. Maybe an old 911 with one of those counterweights they put on forklifts hung out the back would do it. ;) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale NOW HEY ANDREW STRASFOGEL
Yes, Tampa. The car is in Odessa, which is a suburb on the north side of Tampa. Dan Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Martha (Poos) lives somewhere near Tampa. andrew strasfogel wrote: OK, why not. Location? Contact info? - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale NOW HEY ANDREW STRASFOGEL
I think I mentioned in my original post that short of cashing out some of my 401k I simply don't have the cash. Couple that with the upcoming move and I'm really strapped. The seller did not want his name/address put on a public list for general distribution. I told him I would provide contact information to anyone who was interested, which he was happy with. Nice guy, very knowledgeable. Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, why not. Location? Contact info? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:41 AM, LWB250 wrote: I would not say it needs paint - it's needs a good detailing and some touch-up. If I bought it (and I wish I could) I wouldn't even consider painting it. Dan andrew strasfogel wrote: Not if it needs painting and has some rust. Seems over priced. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:16 PM, R A Bennell wrote: IS THIS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED? Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wagons Trailers, was TD Wagon
A wagon and a small trailer is a good traveling arrangement, as you can leave the trailer parked and tour in the wagon, plus with the TD's self-leveling suspension and diesel power, it would be a good tower. I vacationed for years in a Caprice wagon and a 16' trailer. The wagon towing cutoff wagon seems laughable to me--an admirable looking conversion, but why not just sleep in the wagon itself, if you're going to do without other trailer amenities, rather than tow another wagon body--which is VERY heavy. Caprices, with the exception of the LT1-powered 92 on ones, are stout, but not exactly overpowered even towing nothing. If you need a place for gear, tow a small covered utility trailer and sleep in the car. I love the idea of teardrops, as I like to be able to get right in a trailer in the rain, or at a rest stop, without having to unfold a fold-down. ALso, there are some vintage teardrops that are really classy looking and would look great and tow well behind a TD. But new ones are out of sight--5 or 6 grand for a tiny one. You could buy two wagons for that price. I travel a great deal--up to a couple months per year of road trips or more--and considered getting a teardrop to tow behind my SD. My eventual solution was to get a VW Vanagon Westfalia pop-top camper and convert it to turbodiesel power. The space and convenience-- cathedral ceiling with the top popped up, which takes about 5 seconds, lots of light, ventilation, and stand-up room, closet, sink, stove, two dining tables, swivel captains chairs up front, sleep four in two beds--add a portapotty, which I did, and you've got everything but a shower. Plus, mileage and maneuverability is better than with a trailer--25 mpg. Very comfortable seats, handle well, nice drivers. Great around-town haulers when you're not traveling--they're positively cavernous inside, unlike minivans which are much more wagonlike, and have one-ton suspensions. And you're still doing the German diesel thing. I've had mine 4 years and 40k miles--all most all multi-thousand-mile road trips. Great living and working space. Would rather sell my SD than my Westy, tho I love both. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
I doubt it. Surely technology can save us from another stone age. If one looks at the developments in the past 50 years or so, there are just so many examples of ingenuity that one must believe we can overcome the current problems. Look at the development of aircraft and of computers to name just a couple. Jet aircraft hardly existed by the end of WWII. Within only a short time we were flying 747's. Hand held calculators hardly existed by the time I graduated from high school in 1970. Now we have laptops that have phenomenal capacity. We have not needed to focus on energy as we always had it in relative abundance. If we have to focus on it, we will find another means to move forward. Solar energy is out there and can be harnessed in ways we have not yet experienced. Necessity is the mother of invention sort of thing. Man will find a way to keep doing what we now do and more. Have faith. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some? I suspect it is all becoming quite academic since all the older cars will be priced out of the realm of inexpensive ownership. Fuel prices will continue to increase. Food costs will sky rocket, most of us will be forced to seriously curtail eating and driving, which will result in the collapse of our post war economic growth into suburbs. All the paved over bits will be used to transport the agribusiness products to consumers who will be even further removed from the land and just how it all gets to the mega store. At least until we have global conflict to reduce our numbers and the demand for daily fuel and food. A malthusian catastrophe will ensue. Global population will crash, technology will not save us, and those who survive will need to know how to be efficient farmers without diesel tractors, but horses and mules. If we are lucky it will be our great grandchildren instead of the grandkids who have to live like the Amish. clay On 24 Apr 2008, at 14:10, Kevin Kraly wrote: Gas was $3.35 and diesel was $4.29. That's about what it is here in Oregon. Is it time to give up the 'SD for a 90's Bonneville/LeSabre? Same room (perhaps a bit more) and the fuel mileage is good. One can be had around here for sub kilobuck range. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
So, we need to know. Did you get the plans for this contraption and when will you forward them? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some? Interesting that you mention this... remember when someone on the list was talking about wood gas? When I visited my former (and now current) business partner a few months ago, he took me out to his barn (really a 40 x 60 steel building) and pointed out this contraption on a trailer. I'll bet you don't have the slightest idea what that is, he said to me. Totally nonplussed, I turned to him and said, Sure I do. It's a wood gas generator. stunned silence He was suitably impressed that I had any idea whatsoever. Dan --- Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah right, obviously you have not been paying attention. Even if worst comes to worst using a steam traction engine is way more efficient than a pack of horses. Then there is bio-fuel, which a Farmer can grow. Hydrogen is perhaps another option if there are enough nuclear power stations to produce the stuff. Whilst the horse and mule story is nice for the doomsayers to scare people the reality is that technology has moved along and can also move backwards to meet demand. Hendrik Redghost wrote: All the paved over bits will be used to transport the agribusiness products to consumers who will be even further removed from the land and just how it all gets to the mega store. At least until we have global conflict to reduce our numbers and the demand for daily fuel and food. A malthusian catastrophe will ensue. Global population will crash, technology will not save us, and those who survive will need to know how to be efficient farmers without diesel tractors, but horses and mules. If we are lucky it will be our great grandchildren instead of the grandkids who have to live like the Amish. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Does it ride better? My old chevy pickup rides wonderful when really loaded. Does not go around corners well even empty but weight does not appear to make anything worse with the possible exception of braking. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale I do haul a lot of wood and concrete in our Plymouth van - MB iron V8's as well. I can testify that it does NOT handle the same when loaded (or over loaded)! On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:34 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SLS was never intended to turn wagons into pickups. You haul a lot of wood and concrete in your wagon? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
I know a fellow here who does that with a Porshe 944. He bought one that had been in a frontal accident and essentially cut off back to the windshield to make a trailer. He uses it for sleeping accommodation at various racing events that he travels to over the summer. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale At some point the missus and I are going to take a cross country road trip and a 300TD is way high on the list of vehicles I want to use. Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. I once ran into a guy at a rest stop that had a pretty nice outfit. He had a Caprice wagon, and was towing a trailer made out of another Caprice wagon. The nose was cut off and there was a nice-looking bulkhead in its place. The two cars were the same color. The towed wagon was the sleeping quarters. He was justifiably proud of the arrangement, it looked good and worked well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Ed said SLS was never intended to turn wagons into pickups. You haul a lot of wood and concrete in your wagon? Hey Edthe station wagon was the original SUV... I once went to Home Depot with the 300TD, loaded up the rear with concrete and bricks. The orange apron guy said you're gonna be dragging the tail. Started the engine and the tail lifted right up and I drove away nice and level. Royce Missing my 300TD... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
A former neighbour towed a popup trailer with a non turbo Jetta diesel - all the way to the west coast through the mountains with wife and 3 or 4 small children and associated baggage. He did acknowledge that it climbed pretty slow. He tried for a long time to find a better trailer as the old one he had was pretty ratty. The canvas was in bad shape. He could never find anything newer that was as light. He still lives nearby and I run into him occasionally but he has moved on to mini-vans and SUV's as the children have grown bigger. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: I like the wood look ones. But towing with a 240d? You know well that the only camper to tow behind a 240D is your sleeping bag on a dolly. I thought they pulled caravans in Europe with 240TDs. The views are spectacular climbing the Alps at 25mph. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
We're so spoiled now, everybody has a truck or SUV. When I was a kid we had a sedan that my dad drove and my mom drove a stationwagon. They finally submitted to the SUV at the beginning of the craze in '88 with an S15. I remember re-roofing the house and hauling all the shingles in the back of the '83 Mercury Lynx station wagon with the ass end dragging up I95 from Wick's Lumberyard in Westbrook back to Falmouth. Probably never got over the 45mph minimum. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:23:02 -0500 From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ed said SLS was never intended to turn wagons into pickups. You haul a lot of wood and concrete in your wagon? Hey Edthe station wagon was the original SUV... I once went to Home Depot with the 300TD, loaded up the rear with concrete and bricks. The orange apron guy said you're gonna be dragging the tail. Started the engine and the tail lifted right up and I drove away nice and level. Royce Missing my 300TD... - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
, that sure is a NICE TD :D Luther, son of said TD's owner On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:23:02 -0500, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed said SLS was never intended to turn wagons into pickups. You haul a lot of wood and concrete in your wagon? Hey Edthe station wagon was the original SUV... I once went to Home Depot with the 300TD, loaded up the rear with concrete and bricks. The orange apron guy said you're gonna be dragging the tail. Started the engine and the tail lifted right up and I drove away nice and level. Royce Missing my 300TD... -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Some day I too am going to grow up and be able to purchase a 300TD.:) Lord I want one - just can't afford one.:( Dave H... -- From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale , that sure is a NICE TD :D Luther, son of said TD's owner On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:23:02 -0500, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed said SLS was never intended to turn wagons into pickups. You haul a lot of wood and concrete in your wagon? Hey Edthe station wagon was the original SUV... I once went to Home Depot with the 300TD, loaded up the rear with concrete and bricks. The orange apron guy said you're gonna be dragging the tail. Started the engine and the tail lifted right up and I drove away nice and level. Royce Missing my 300TD... -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More on Wagons Trailers, was TD Wagon
Re: Towing with a 240D. My Caprice wagon pretty well maxed out at 60 mph towing my 16' aluminum trailer, which was very light but not very aerodynamic, and with a headwind, I could spend days at 50-55 wound- out and wide-open in third getting 10 mpg. This is with a 160 hp 4v 305 v-8. I think with a 240 D and a teardrop or small fold-down, you could hardly do worse for speed, and would probably nearly double the mileage. MB put the 240 engine in a motorhome. Vanagon Westfalias were available for a while with a 1.6NA 48 hp mill. In this country, motor homes were made with 225 slant six engines. Its all in your expectations: all these woefully underpowered vehicles got there-- It just takes a little longer. But if you're not in a hurry, what's the worry? the biggest factor in towing speed is not horsepower anyway--it's aerodynamic drag. Aerodynamic drag poses huge penalties--much greater than weight, since aero drag affects you uphill, downhill, and level, and more when the wind blows, and weight is only felt up grades. For instance, I also pulled a 26' dual-axle airstream with the Caprice-- at 65 in overdrive, with room under the pedal, and got 12.5 mpg. The Airstream weighed twice as much and was 10' longer than my other trailer. Better aerodynamics made all the difference. It admittedly makes the biggest difference out here on the prairie (Iowa) where there's nothing to protect you from the wind than it does on RT 95, for example, which burrows through a tunnel of trees for thousands of miles, and where there's a big rush of traffic creating a draft in the direction of travel. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ghost stories
My personal experiences are not quite as dramatic, but my father spoke of being on guard duty during the Battle of the Bulge [Germany, WWII, for you young folks]. He said his mother came to see him and spoke to him about 20 minutes. He was not at all surprised when he later got word that she had died that night. My Sister's Father-in-law lived with them for the last few years of his life. One morning when my sister went into his room to make sure he was ok he told her that her daddy had come to visit him the night before. He had stayed about 20 - 30 minutes sitting in a chair in the room, and told him that his family was waiting to see him, and everything would be alright. Out dad had been dead for a few years then, and her father-in-law died that night. My personal experiences relate to foreknowledge with both my [then] future wife and other instances, but are not quite so dramatic. As for how one can speak of these things, the only philosophy that includes such a possibility as part of carefully reasoned thought is that of Alfred North Whitehead. If you are so inclined much of the basis can be found if Process and Reality. Plan on reading it several times before it begins to make sense. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mak Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ghost stories Different cultures have different understanding of these phenomena - Original Message - From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ghost stories (From another list:) Pete wrote: I'm confused about how we handle paranormal events. These cannot be explained logically, yet I have personally experienced them several times myself. They cannot be explained with simple psychology either, as they are physical manifestations revealing knowledge that no one can know. In my other discussions it seems that this whole world of the paranormal is dismissed without any real reasoning, usually with a sense of fear. It doesn't appear much on our discussion lists. What do _you_ think? Is there more between heaven and earth than we can explain? ... Al wrote: I've encountered quite a few people who have extrasensory experiences. There may be a genetically determined characteristic of the mind/brain since it seems to run in families. Jim Smith (now deceased), a longtime member of this and other mailing lists, could think about his dog in the next room and the dog would shortly come to him. He was a law professor and not one given to joking or exaggeration. Only last week I thought about my old brother-in-law up north with some concern. I asked my daughter to call him and see how he was. She found that he had fairly severely injured his hand while working on a window. Normally I don't think about him or have any contact with him at all. The validation and explanation of extrasensory phenomena will be on a par with the discoveries of Newton and Einstein when it happens, but I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes. John ... Ted wrote: One night in 1974 when I was in Hawaii aboard ship in the Navy, I dreamed that my grandmother had come to visit me and we spent a nice day walking around the Naval base. About a week later, I received a letter from my mother that my grandmother had died in Pennsylvania on the same day of my dream. My wife says that she has had a dark visitor come into our bedroom several times over the past, and each time that she has seen or dreamed of this vistor, it was a precursor to our getting a message that a relative had died: her mother, her father, and my aunt. I don't know if these things or the other types of paranormal events can be explained rationally at this time. Certainly, they cannot be investigated with scientific rigor with the current tools available. But, I wonder if these events are only para-normal because we do not yet have the means to observe and document the events. Perhaps there is an alternative form of reality which we, at the present time, can only perceive in fragments. The situation could be analogous to that of the ancients who could only perceive of a flat earth until the tools and science were available to demonstrate that the earth was round. Similarly, pre-Copernicans perceived the sun rotating about the earth until they had the telescopes and mathemathics to understand what the real situation was. Perhaps we see paranormal events as a sort of hysteria/magic/etc, because we don't yet have the tools and the science/mathematics/psychology to understand a different level of reality?
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Dave - I have a fully broken-in 1983 300TD with roof rack and crossbars (!!) that is totally affordable!! What will it take to put you into the front seat of this wonderful daily driver? Contact me offlist or onlist; I offer total transparency when it my fantastic 300TD. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some day I too am going to grow up and be able to purchase a 300TD.:) Lord I want one - just can't afford one.:( Dave H... -- From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale , that sure is a NICE TD :D Luther, son of said TD's owner On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:23:02 -0500, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed said SLS was never intended to turn wagons into pickups. You haul a lot of wood and concrete in your wagon? Hey Edthe station wagon was the original SUV... I once went to Home Depot with the 300TD, loaded up the rear with concrete and bricks. The orange apron guy said you're gonna be dragging the tail. Started the engine and the tail lifted right up and I drove away nice and level. Royce Missing my 300TD... -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better than the S124? I keep hoping I'll find a $700 300TE and drop my 2.5 drivetrain in it. Do 210 chassis wagons still have SLS? They don't seem to command any premium over the same-year sedans like 124s and 123s do, and late-'90s examples are quite common and attractively priced around here. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ghost stories
20 years ago I suffered a rather serious heart attack, at that time they did not immediately go in and do corrective procedures. They chose to have you stay in Intensive Care, I joke that they were testing my will to live. I was medicated with some type of drug (Maybe Halciene?) to help me relax. For 9 days, i drifted in and out, I dreamed very pleasant dreams of all those who had gone before me. Parents, GrandParents, Fellows we lost in 'Nam, even old pets. It's a memory, not all bad... Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
andrew strasfogel wrote: I offer total transparency when it my fantastic 300TD. Is any of the sheet metal transparent yet? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ghost stories
I Want to Believe. The Truth Is Out There. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The saga of the injection pump
The saga of my injection pump has come to a happy conclusion. When I picked it up the first time it was smoking and still had a rattle [it was the rattle that had me take it in in the first place]. I took it back on Tuesday and they went into it once more, finally determining that the pump, while adjusted according to the directions they had, was not adjusted correctly. Mechanic took the pump back off and compared it to the pump that came out of the car, determining that the two were not set the same, nor were they the same pump. That covered Tuesday afternoon and part of Wed. Finally my nephew called the MB dealer and was assured that the new pump was the correct one for the engine, but that the one that came off was not. It seems that when Potomac German sent the engine [they never did tell me from what year 300SD, despite many promises to do so] the pretend mechanics who had my car in Vero Beach pulled everything off the old engine and installed it on the new. Somehow they almost got it to work [though my nephew had to do a few hundred $$ work rerouting and reinstalling items]. Thus it stayed with a worsening shifting problem. I later replaced the tranny and the vacuum pump, and finally the injection pump. After my nephew called a friend at another shop [very familiar with that injection process] they straightened out the calibration and the timing process got started all over again. I think the full job entailed three removals and installations of the injection pump, and I think possibly one of the vacuum pump, and several attempts to time and calibrate it. What had not been clear in the directions was that with a pump that had a lock installed at a rebuild you set the timing to 15 degrees, instead of the 34 degree setting without the lock [or the other way around]. Big difference. It turns out that the previous incorrect pump had been timed and calibrated close enough to almost stop the smoking, but it also threw off the vacuum to the transmission. Long story short [sort of], half of Tues, Wed, Thurs and half of Friday later it is running beautifully, shifting better than it has since I have had it], and no smoke. I am happy. When I pulled out the checkbook for all the stuff done beyond the initial install I was told there was no charge, as it was under their [three month?] warranty. I tried to pay for some of the mechanic's time so he would not be out half a week's work, and was told that it was for situations like this that they kept the mechanic who worked on my car as a salaried employee [The other guy is hourly]. They wouldn't take any $ for the mechanic [who it turns out wasn't out anything] or for their extra work, and my car runs much better than it did before. I am confirmed in my belief that having a mechanic you can trust is a very nice thing. Now I await the first fill-up [hopefully at less than $100] to see if the mileage has improved also - though it got as high as 27 mpg before, so probably not. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear weight bias
Actually, wouldn't a load of 2x4s and cinder blocks make a 300TD a better vehicle for you neck of the woods, Roger? Since I don't live in a double-wide, these are items I would not be hauling, as a rule. When I lived there, every time I was stopped at a light just short of the top of a hill in the rain, I thought about how the ideal Seattle car was something with rear-wheel-drive and a pronounced rear-biased weight distribution. Treaded tires are an advantage. Maybe an old 911 with one of those counterweights.. Elderly 911s are tail happy enough as they are. RLE ** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Randy wrote: He could never find anything newer that was as light. He still lives nearby and I run into him occasionally but he has moved on to mini-vans and SUV's as the children have grown bigger. My mother and stepfather tow a pop up camper with their 2000 Chrysler Town and Country minivan. My mother drives and they just love the 3.8L V6. I would consider it pure hell on earth to cruise around in a minivan towing a pop-up trailer to go see the sights through the western half of the country. But, they are retired and they love it. They once spent six weeks on one of these trips. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
I sort of agree with you. The pop up camper does not really appeal to me. The fellow I referred to earlier is an accountant though so what more need I say. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale Randy wrote: He could never find anything newer that was as light. He still lives nearby and I run into him occasionally but he has moved on to mini-vans and SUV's as the children have grown bigger. My mother and stepfather tow a pop up camper with their 2000 Chrysler Town and Country minivan. My mother drives and they just love the 3.8L V6. I would consider it pure hell on earth to cruise around in a minivan towing a pop-up trailer to go see the sights through the western half of the country. But, they are retired and they love it. They once spent six weeks on one of these trips. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump
Hi Bill, Great story! Now, don't tell anyone else - this is just between you me - one dark night we need to follow that mechanic home and kidnap him - we'll chain him to the garage and force him to repair various classic MBs while we feed him Knachtworst and other worst meats. ;-) Sounds like you found one of the very, *very* good MB technicians (I don't use that term loosely). Keep close tabs on him -- Have a nice weekend - BTW, I think you're right - 27mpg is probably as good as it will get - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Allen Ringgold' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump The saga of my injection pump has come to a happy conclusion. When I picked it up the first time it was smoking and still had a rattle [it was the rattle that had me take it in in the first place]. I took it back on Tuesday and they went into it once more, finally determining that the pump, while adjusted according to the directions they had, was not adjusted correctly. Mechanic took the pump back off and compared it to the pump that came out of the car, determining that the two were not set the same, nor were they the same pump. That covered Tuesday afternoon and part of Wed. Finally my nephew called the MB dealer and was assured that the new pump was the correct one for the engine, but that the one that came off was not. It seems that when Potomac German sent the engine [they never did tell me from what year 300SD, despite many promises to do so] the pretend mechanics who had my car in Vero Beach pulled everything off the old engine and installed it on the new. Somehow they almost got it to work [though my nephew had to do a few hundred $$ work rerouting and reinstalling items]. Thus it stayed with a worsening shifting problem. I later replaced the tranny and the vacuum pump, and finally the injection pump. After my nephew called a friend at another shop [very familiar with that injection process] they straightened out the calibration and the timing process got started all over again. I think the full job entailed three removals and installations of the injection pump, and I think possibly one of the vacuum pump, and several attempts to time and calibrate it. What had not been clear in the directions was that with a pump that had a lock installed at a rebuild you set the timing to 15 degrees, instead of the 34 degree setting without the lock [or the other way around]. Big difference. It turns out that the previous incorrect pump had been timed and calibrated close enough to almost stop the smoking, but it also threw off the vacuum to the transmission. Long story short [sort of], half of Tues, Wed, Thurs and half of Friday later it is running beautifully, shifting better than it has since I have had it], and no smoke. I am happy. When I pulled out the checkbook for all the stuff done beyond the initial install I was told there was no charge, as it was under their [three month?] warranty. I tried to pay for some of the mechanic's time so he would not be out half a week's work, and was told that it was for situations like this that they kept the mechanic who worked on my car as a salaried employee [The other guy is hourly]. They wouldn't take any $ for the mechanic [who it turns out wasn't out anything] or for their extra work, and my car runs much better than it did before. I am confirmed in my belief that having a mechanic you can trust is a very nice thing. Now I await the first fill-up [hopefully at less than $100] to see if the mileage has improved also - though it got as high as 27 mpg before, so probably not. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump
Ha Ha - good idea Larry. I'd have wished for him when my car went out in Vero two years ago. But, the part owner and manager of the shop is my nephew, so I would have his wife, two kids, my brother and sister in law to answer to. The mechanic who did most of the work is good, but also relies on my nephew for many parts of the repair and other contacts. HOWEVER, if you want to ship me your cars for awhile I'd be happy to take them in for you and drive them back to you for costs... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump Hi Bill, Great story! Now, don't tell anyone else - this is just between you me - one dark night we need to follow that mechanic home and kidnap him - we'll chain him to the garage and force him to repair various classic MBs while we feed him Knachtworst and other worst meats. ;-) Sounds like you found one of the very, *very* good MB technicians (I don't use that term loosely). Keep close tabs on him -- Have a nice weekend - BTW, I think you're right - 27mpg is probably as good as it will get - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Banned List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Allen Ringgold' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump The saga of my injection pump has come to a happy conclusion. When I picked it up the first time it was smoking and still had a rattle [it was the rattle that had me take it in in the first place]. I took it back on Tuesday and they went into it once more, finally determining that the pump, while adjusted according to the directions they had, was not adjusted correctly. Mechanic took the pump back off and compared it to the pump that came out of the car, determining that the two were not set the same, nor were they the same pump. That covered Tuesday afternoon and part of Wed. Finally my nephew called the MB dealer and was assured that the new pump was the correct one for the engine, but that the one that came off was not. It seems that when Potomac German sent the engine [they never did tell me from what year 300SD, despite many promises to do so] the pretend mechanics who had my car in Vero Beach pulled everything off the old engine and installed it on the new. Somehow they almost got it to work [though my nephew had to do a few hundred $$ work rerouting and reinstalling items]. Thus it stayed with a worsening shifting problem. I later replaced the tranny and the vacuum pump, and finally the injection pump. After my nephew called a friend at another shop [very familiar with that injection process] they straightened out the calibration and the timing process got started all over again. I think the full job entailed three removals and installations of the injection pump, and I think possibly one of the vacuum pump, and several attempts to time and calibrate it. What had not been clear in the directions was that with a pump that had a lock installed at a rebuild you set the timing to 15 degrees, instead of the 34 degree setting without the lock [or the other way around]. Big difference. It turns out that the previous incorrect pump had been timed and calibrated close enough to almost stop the smoking, but it also threw off the vacuum to the transmission. Long story short [sort of], half of Tues, Wed, Thurs and half of Friday later it is running beautifully, shifting better than it has since I have had it], and no smoke. I am happy. When I pulled out the checkbook for all the stuff done beyond the initial install I was told there was no charge, as it was under their [three month?] warranty. I tried to pay for some of the mechanic's time so he would not be out half a week's work, and was told that it was for situations like this that they kept the mechanic who worked on my car as a salaried employee [The other guy is hourly]. They wouldn't take any $ for the mechanic [who it turns out wasn't out anything] or for their extra work, and my car runs much better than it did before. I am confirmed in my belief that having a mechanic you can trust is a very nice thing. Now I await the first fill-up [hopefully at less than $100] to see if the mileage has improved also - though it got as high as 27 mpg before, so probably not. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 301k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email
Re: [MBZ] Rear weight bias
Don't people build decks in toity I own a new Mercedes and never forget to remind you land? Oh right you don't like to get your hands dirty with that sort of thing. ;) -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:25:15 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear weight bias To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Actually, wouldn't a load of 2x4s and cinder blocks make a 300TD a better vehicle for you neck of the woods, Roger? Since I don't live in a double-wide, these are items I would not be hauling, as a rule. When I lived there, every time I was stopped at a light just short of the top of a hill in the rain, I thought about how the ideal Seattle car was something with rear-wheel-drive and a pronounced rear-biased weight distribution. Treaded tires are an advantage. Maybe an old 911 with one of those counterweights.. Elderly 911s are tail happy enough as they are. RLE - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BMW LSD on Portland CL
Wasn't somebody wondering whether they could adapt a BMW limited-slip rear-end to a Mercedes? Here's your chance to find out: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pts/656437174.html Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
Luther said... , that sure is a NICE TD :D Luther, son of said TD's owner My main consolation is that it went to a very good home. I have this symbiotic relationship with my kids...My son, the Ford dealer, cherry picks a good tradein for my daughter...she drives it for a couple of years, gets bored, and I pick it up for an even better price. She still hasn't figured out that she's better off driving those cars and trucks forever, but then again, I haven't figured out how to get her to buy a mature MB diesel in the first place. Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Another 300TD
Even more pricey than the one earlier today- just to keep the discussion going. http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/656429849.html Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ?
anybody else? Christopher McCann wrote: Kaleb, My friend and I are a 50% maybe. Chris McCann Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im sorry, I meant the 7th. Things usually start off on friday though. John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: We have been thinking about having the OkieQ June 6th. I need a show of hands who would show up for sure and who would most likely show up, and who might show up? If there is enough interest, will have it. If not, then its dead I guess. Let me know ASAP. Friday? I should be able to go regardless. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another 300TD
who wanted a blue one? Alex? Andrew? Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/656429849.html Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
yea, we have technology, but when war breaks out for the remaining oil, all that will go away. R A Bennell wrote: I doubt it. Surely technology can save us from another stone age. If one looks at the developments in the past 50 years or so, there are just so many examples of ingenuity that one must believe we can overcome the current problems. Look at the development of aircraft and of computers to name just a couple. Jet aircraft hardly existed by the end of WWII. Within only a short time we were flying 747's. Hand held calculators hardly existed by the time I graduated from high school in 1970. Now we have laptops that have phenomenal capacity. We have not needed to focus on energy as we always had it in relative abundance. If we have to focus on it, we will find another means to move forward. Solar energy is out there and can be harnessed in ways we have not yet experienced. Necessity is the mother of invention sort of thing. Man will find a way to keep doing what we now do and more. Have faith. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some? I suspect it is all becoming quite academic since all the older cars will be priced out of the realm of inexpensive ownership. Fuel prices will continue to increase. Food costs will sky rocket, most of us will be forced to seriously curtail eating and driving, which will result in the collapse of our post war economic growth into suburbs. All the paved over bits will be used to transport the agribusiness products to consumers who will be even further removed from the land and just how it all gets to the mega store. At least until we have global conflict to reduce our numbers and the demand for daily fuel and food. A malthusian catastrophe will ensue. Global population will crash, technology will not save us, and those who survive will need to know how to be efficient farmers without diesel tractors, but horses and mules. If we are lucky it will be our great grandchildren instead of the grandkids who have to live like the Amish. clay On 24 Apr 2008, at 14:10, Kevin Kraly wrote: Gas was $3.35 and diesel was $4.29. That's about what it is here in Oregon. Is it time to give up the 'SD for a 90's Bonneville/LeSabre? Same room (perhaps a bit more) and the fuel mileage is good. One can be had around here for sub kilobuck range. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
you bastard Luther wrote: , that sure is a NICE TD :D Luther, son of said TD's owner On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:23:02 -0500, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed said SLS was never intended to turn wagons into pickups. You haul a lot of wood and concrete in your wagon? Hey Edthe station wagon was the original SUV... I once went to Home Depot with the 300TD, loaded up the rear with concrete and bricks. The orange apron guy said you're gonna be dragging the tail. Started the engine and the tail lifted right up and I drove away nice and level. Royce Missing my 300TD... -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=5600p=36070hilit=trailer#p36070 1 and 3/4 S123's http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=9t=5866p=37306#p37306 Finless Finny campervan Jim Cathey wrote: At some point the missus and I are going to take a cross country road trip and a 300TD is way high on the list of vehicles I want to use. Put a small teardrop trailer behind it to sleep in and we'll be largely self sufficient. I once ran into a guy at a rest stop that had a pretty nice outfit. He had a Caprice wagon, and was towing a trailer made out of another Caprice wagon. The nose was cut off and there was a nice-looking bulkhead in its place. The two cars were the same color. The towed wagon was the sleeping quarters. He was justifiably proud of the arrangement, it looked good and worked well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Wagon For Sale
The S123 is probably a bit tougher but the S124 is more refined and efficient. Hendrik Mitch Haley wrote: Better than the S124? I keep hoping I'll find a $700 300TE and drop my 2.5 drivetrain in it. If you've got a good running 617 with a good SLS pump on it, keep your eyes peeled for a cheap 280TE with a perfect body and needing a valve job. Mitch. andrew strasfogel wrote: I have always felt this is the BEST Mercedes model of all time, so am reluctant to drive anything else on a daily basis. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ?
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:24:33 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anybody else? I'm thinking about it -- have to convince Shirley. A couple of weeks later (on the 20th) would be a lot better for work, though. Craig Christopher McCann wrote: Kaleb, My friend and I are a 50% maybe. Chris McCann Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im sorry, I meant the 7th. Things usually start off on friday though. John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: We have been thinking about having the OkieQ June 6th. I need a show of hands who would show up for sure and who would most likely show up, and who might show up? If there is enough interest, will have it. If not, then its dead I guess. Let me know ASAP. Friday? I should be able to go regardless. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 244 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A bell, rung
Don't people build decks in toity I own a new Mercedes and never forget to remind you land? Oh right you don't like to get your hands dirty with that sort of thing. ;) That's hoity toity to you, Curtsy. You would build a deck on concrete blocks? Holy building permit, Superman. RLE/ohbythewaydiditellyouIdriveanewmercedes.com ** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagons Trailers, was TD Wagon
wagon towing cutoff wagon seems laughable to me--an admirable looking conversion, but why not just sleep in the wagon itself, if you're going to do without other trailer amenities, The car itself was full of supplies, and had all four seats usable. The trailer had the seats folded down for the sleeping area. Helped keep the trailer lighter than the tow vehicle, which is always nice. as I like to be able to get right in a trailer in the rain, or at a rest stop, without having to unfold a fold-down. ALso, there are some vintage teardrops that are really classy looking and would look great There are those, indeed. They're just so small inside, I guess I'm spoiled with the truck camper. Shower, potty, full queen-sized bed, etc. Those westys do look interesting, if you could get them with a 60x in them! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump
I think the full job entailed three removals and installations of the injection pump, and I think possibly one of the vacuum pump, You can't take the IP off without first taking off the vacuum pump. though it got as high as 27 mpg before, so probably not. No, you're not going to beat that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
It's not the technology that's lacking, it's rational people --- On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, we have technology, but when war breaks out for the remaining oil, all that will go away. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ?
I can change my definite maybe to firm yes. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anybody else? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: anybody else? Hope to come. June is a busy month; I'll know soon. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow List - Early Weekend for some?
true OK Don wrote: It's not the technology that's lacking, it's rational people --- On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, we have technology, but when war breaks out for the remaining oil, all that will go away. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump
My appreciation for the shop goes up! BillR -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/25/08 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The saga of the injection pump I think the full job entailed three removals and installations of the injection pump, and I think possibly one of the vacuum pump, You can't take the IP off without first taking off the vacuum pump. though it got as high as 27 mpg before, so probably not. No, you're not going to beat that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
