Re: [MBZ] Neighbors..
Yep, let the town settle it... should not be too hard unless you live in the country so far out nobody cares... If there are actually ~dozen people living there, then they are almost certainly in violation of some health department code. If they are using a septic system, you can guarantee they are in violation... The county probably has an eyesore regulation but they never ever ever ever enforce it. But if the trailers are not registered, then you have a good piece of leverage with the tax people. As my whiner neighbor used to say.. get on the phone and make the elected and appointed earn their money :)\ Dick >I doubt it. I suggest you are asking for retribution. >No need for a lawyer. >Contact the town by-law folks. >The trailer folks have no need to know who complained but I would be >surprised if the trailers did not go away. >RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: political signs
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >I want my bummerfone! I want free housing and a free car and free car >insurance and free benzine and free gas an free 'lektrik. an free >insulation an.. Summer camp this year, kid shows up with two Iphone 6 whatevers... he's 11 ... he says he gets a special deal in the bummerfone giveaway... they had a two for one at the free provider and so he has one for music and one for talking. Kid is carrying 1300$ collection of phones he and/or his family paid zilch for. I'm carrying a used purchase screen cracked 5C .. ( I did fix the screen today ) .. and I paid for the two free ones too... I'm just confused as to how this is supposed to help, or educate, or whatever... confused... Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [SL] Hot under the collar
Just curious, you had the pump replaced.. there was a big flap years ago about some pumps not doing the job. They were just designed wrong, and I believe they were aftermarket pumps. The true blue honest to goodness MB pumps were typically priced under them as I recall, but for some reason shops did not go to the source for the pump and that was not a good thing. This comes from a very rusty memory, and from someone who has been Mercedesless since 2005. Good luck. Richard Mercedesless in Salisbury .. On Friday, July 11, 2014 3:38 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/sl_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 76 300D low oil pressure update
It's been my experience ( which may or may not relate here ) that running an engine very low on oil will damage both the rings and the bearings. However, carrying this process to it's termination in a non catastrophic manner results in an engine that will not start. Kleb's engine starts fine, apparently. And the oil pressure is 'almost' OK, really. It doesn't jump up (per the video) and doesn't idle as high as we all wish it would. So the engine is worn, and a quick check of the bearing cap, as he's planning on doing, will reveal a lot of cool info. Also been my experience that the one closest to the front of the engine suffers the worst. This is in direct opposition to the concept of 'furthest from the oil pump', but is my experience anyway. YMMV. At least, the one in front is the easiest to check. Go get em, Kleb.. make it a good car (c: On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:00 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well, why do you assume that rings would wear at the same rate as bearings? What if a defective oil filter was installed just prior to the big trip, and all the bearings got trashed because the oil wasn't getting filtered. Perhaps the rings, which are splash lubricated, were spared? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The insurance I wish I had
All the doctors and insurance folks drive them ,,, On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Whete does driving a Mercedes fit in this scheme? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The insurance I wish I had
I've heard of small time clinics and questionable doctors turning away medicare, but they are in the very small minority. Almost all reputable healthcare providers are fine with medicare. I am surprised at the level of premium disparity between medicare and obamacare. I've paid something under 2% of my gross to medicare for a while now, and that's not a lot of money, IMO. I'm hearing horror stories of what folks who are not 'subsidized' are paying into obamacare. Based on percentages between subsidized and not, it appears to me that the overall level of abstract poverty in this country is way beyond anybody's wildest concepts. Either that or someone is getting rich off the ACA.. maybe the affordable part means more insurance executives and medical administration folks are now going to be able to afford the bigger Mercedes... On Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:25 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Peter, have you not heard of Medicare fraud? Have you not heard of doctors/hospitals turning away Medicare patients, because they lose too much on the reimbursement rates? Let me perhaps be the first to tell you that I despise being forced to pay into a system that likely will be bankrupt and unavailable before I can claim one penny of benefit. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: April 6, 2014 1:16:59 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The insurance I wish I had The quality of any system is directly related to the abilities and motivations of the people in charge. Put sleazeballs in charge of anything and you will get corruption and disfunction, it's a basic management principle. Put good people in charge of a health care providing system with the main goal of providing the best possible service at the lowest cost and you get Medicare. Don't hear anyone whining about that, eh? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The insurance I wish I had
So you think it's all the Republican's fault. Same document, different administration?? Let me give you some clear advice. Republican/Democrat/Libertarian/Whatever.. they're all the same. Corrupt when they pass thru that magic barrier that surrounds the district. It seems to swallow them in, they all laugh and joke about the common folks, and they really don't care who they screw. Oh, and they have great healtcare and retirement benefits. On Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Just remember that the ACA is the healthcare plan offered by the Republicans when Hillary was trying to reform the system way back when. Obama thought that by giving the Republicans their own plan, they would accept it. Wrong. And it's as flawed now as it was when it was first proposed. On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: As for me, all I know is that the ACA caused my insurance to go up $124/mth. I'm retired (not yet on medicare) and I can't afford the extra amount just to make some folks feel good. Sorry, you can have your opinion, but I won't like it any more than you'll like mine. So maybe we should all just agree to disagree. And each of us could work our hardest to either keep the ACA as some wish or repeal it as others wish. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The insurance I wish I had
If you're a common folk who makes over 60K or so, and are under 65 yrs old, and not covered by insurance, POTUS has made it such that you are going to get shafted. For the first years you can take the hit on income tax, fines for not purchasing a product ( a first, in my opinion ) and that hit will not be so bad. But it escalates pretty fast, and soon you will be paying seriously for your lack of purchase. If you're over 65 then you're on medicare, and that's free unless you want doctor coverage. Doctor coverage is not so bad, as health insurance goes, and neither is the drug insurance, compared to what the same costs are in private industry insurance, on average. If you never buy drugs, then the drug insurance is a waste of money. You get to re-do every year, so the worst that will happen is you get a year of high bills from the pharmacy. Taking a Gary position, I'm sure glad the government does not require me to buy all the Chia Pets on TV. But there is *no* difference between this and ACA, in my opinion. On Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:34 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Richard wrote: Oh, and they have great healtcare and retirement benefits. And what can be done by the common folks? Be a ghost as much as possible possible. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 76 300D low oil pressure update
I cannot imaging guessing at this issue without pulling a bearing cap and actually getting real data. It's only two bolts once you get the pan off. Easy peasy. Don't guess, get data. PS, you'll know as soon as you pull it. the babbet will be worn visibly. You don't have to mike it. If it's only worn a bit then a mike might help. If you see *no* wear, then change the pump. But I think you're wasting time.. only pump I ever changed was on an M110 after it sheared off the bevel gears above it. Or you can sell me the car for $600. I'll up the deal by $100, but you have to deliver it to me at that price (c: On Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It would seem changing the oil pump would be the next thing to try. I should have one around here. Never heard of one going bad though. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you just got all the black crud out when you pulled the pan but I too have always experienced the almost-instant black oil (movie reference for x-file fans). This clean oil suggests the oil isn't circulating and that would worry me. Yep After the oil pressure gauge to verify the cluster gauge, and checking with the valve cover off, then I think the next thing is to change the oil pump assembly. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD
A power steering pump low on oil will howl. I bet the hydraulic suspension pump will howl too. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: It also emits quite a howl when decelerating down to 1800rpm. On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: an engine whine that kicks in around 1800 RPM. A stripped transmission stator spline will whine, but at idle. Easy to tell, off-the-line acceleration is abysmal, and stall speed is low. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
I really don't think it is 'just fine' with health care, but it's accepted practice all the way to POTUS, so obviously I am in the minority. The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor who cannot in any manner be privy to negotiation tools. This is not the normal POTUS position. ACA may be a tool to turn that situation around, because my friends who had private insurance are now paying 3 times what they paid prior to ACA. But in the end, they still have the negotiation tools that are not available to the guy on the street corner selling papers. On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent that, no? why is it just fine in healthcare? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Wife's hip replacement surgery last year cost us around $1000 out of pocket. Never saw the hospital bill, but I'm sure it was ridiculous and negotiated down considerably from the list prices. When my oldest son was going to be hospitalized for a few days some years back, I saw the rack rate was $400/day, but the provider rate was something like $125/day. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
Thinking of Randy's concern about plastic in the house, and remembering when the class action lawsuit forced a vendor to replumb my lake house... the one Dan remembers... Plastic is not forever... On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R I do have to say that I am impressed by the inventory that is carried by Menard's and Lowes in the USA. Home Depot too but I don't get there as often as there isn't one in Grand Forks, ND. There is in Fargo, ND and I get there about once each year, usually in August. Not the same in Canada. We have Home Depot here in Winnipeg and there are at least 5 or 6 stores scattered around the city. They seem to have limited their stock more than in the USA. Things like bolts drive me crazy. Not easy to buy something like 7/16 any more. 3/8 or 1/2 but not the ones in between. Try to buy fine thread. They had this sort of thing when they opened but they have since limited it to the more standard sizes. Maybe their computers tell them no one buys that stuff but they used to have it and it makes my angry that they no longer do. I know business is about making money but service has declined in many ways. I could go on all day but another item that seems to be disappearing is ordinary copper plumbing fittings. They want to sell shark bite to the numb folks who cannot fix anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to be willing to swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is money. The shark bit fittings cost umpteen times as much as a normal fitting that one would solder so they make more money on the parts markup too. Call me old fashioned but I don't trust the shark bit fittings. Might be ok in an exposed spot so long as whatever is around it won't be damaged if it starts to leak, but I don't intend to put it inside a wall. I have embraced pex to some extent so I am not totally prehistoric but even then I wonder about how long plastic is intended to last. I hope I am old enough that I won't have to worry about it in my own home. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
The chronic poor have a good go at cheap healthcare, as they cannot get blood from a turnip, as you mention. Personal experience, in an ER while my son was having a toe sewn back on ( too many beers, rough deck on the beach house ), was a woman there who was sick, and needed help. She was not dying, but I think she wishes she was. It was obvious that they were ignoring her. Maybe she comes in every week, who knows.. but the experience I had was that she got her friend to take her home. Her comment was that when she called the ambulance to bring her back, they would see her asap, where as now she was having to wait. She didn't give a chit about what it was going to cost, as she wasn't paying for it anyway. My concern is the family that lives in a modest house or apartment, lives from paycheck to paycheck, must give up something to buy something else, and has no hope of every improving. This describes a large piece of our country's population. They cannot afford a sudden negative change of $150 in their paycheck. It will have to come from food, or gas, or housing. That's the only thing they spend money on. Many of these don't have health insurance, and cannot afford ACA stuff, even though they must find the money or be fined by POTUS. These folks have a phone, and are aware of credit ratings, and know that when the hungry hospital administrator calls, he is going to force them to make a decision on what they can live without. And they will do the best they can to get the bill paid, because they are the backbone of America. The *FELONY* here is that they do not get the same charges as I do, for instance, because I have the largest medical service negotiator known on this earth negotiating for me. If I got what I get without insurance, I'd consider not having insurance, as it is not all that bad, as long as you're healthy. And of course I am talking about insurance here, and I have a strong positive feeling that it should be only for catastrophic care.. I cannot do that, as I've been paying my insurer so long that I get what I get and nothing less. If someone wants to live without any insurance, then have at it. I've seen my then 3 yr old grandson's bill cross the 7 figure line in 2004, and have known a whole pile of healthy folks that have gone to the hospital for something 'minor' and come out with a new appreciation of the fact that the insurance allowed them to keep their car and house. So I believe in insurance and I also believe in healthcare as Dan suggests. Plus if you do Dan's healthcare plan, and have minimal insurance then you also have the negotiation power that is so important today to keep your medical bills at a reasonable level. There is absolutely no justification for the situation Hursty describes.. if you'd do this job for $42 for aetna, why are you asking me for $150? It's obvious Gary has not been to the doctor in a while.. now the ratio is Aetna $42, individual $736.. On Friday, April 4, 2014 7:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Richard wrote: The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor... The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be taken? Bankrupt is supposed to take value from the poor to pay for debt but if there are no assets the debt goes unpaid, hence, perhaps the poor are better off for hospital-care? Bankruptcy cannot leave a person destitute at the street in the gutter, can it? Doesn't bankruptcy allow a person to be left with a modicum of day to day living essentials? Thanks barrister Randy and barrister Grant. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Vietnamese clay pot
Check the pot for heroin residue (c: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:47 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: A little while ago, SWMBO brought home a beautiful glazed clay pot for a small maple tree on our side terrace/patio. 'Couldn't help but wonder if I might have stirred up some of the clay in that pot with the MANY (8,424) bombs I dropped on 'em in last half of '72. BTW, one can view on Google Earth some of the craters that I may have left near Radio Hanoi transmission towers off the SW corner of Hanoi. Obviously, the craters that are still visible in the fields nearby missed the towers. The pot is very heavy. SWMBO wondered how they were able to produce it, transport it and sell it to her for only $19. The potter probably got only a very few cents. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] who wants a wrecked CDI?
I wish I had a clear tittle. They're good to whittle. On Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:48 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: Priced at ten Klebs: http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4372227621.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. I've never seen so many folks in a trauma room ( curtain/cube ) in my life. There had to be 10 folks in there, and they were all doing something. That's $100 each imo, well worth the investment (c: On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:45 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] 115 low oil pressure
I have to disagree with pulling the crank and having it ground. Two reasons..First off, it's probably fine. Put a micrometer on it and see. I've been in a few engines, and not found one yet that had a bad crank. You'll find the bearings are bad. Worn. The crank almost never fails. So you replace the bearings with standard bores and you're good to go for another quarter million or so. Second, the crank is heat treated, so grinding it is really hard, and it produces a journal that will fail in a short amount of time unless you re heat treat it. This is hearsay, I have not tested a journal for heat treating, but I believe the hearsay (c: .. worst one I ever took apart had babbet 'attached' to the journal. It had separated from the cap, then ground a really nice groove in the cap as it rotated. I'm sure it was toasty warm in there. I burnished off the babbet with a piece of emory cloth, miked the journal and put it back together. Next to worst was my trusty 81 300TD that had been run short of oil by it's PO. I bought it non running.. the babbet was scored horribly, the first main bearing was almost destroyed. It would rotate but not run. New rings, new babbet, and a car that was dependable for the remainder of my ownership, about 100K .. I was absolutely amazed that the journals were not only within MB wear limits, they were within the manufacturing limits of new journals posted in the manual. This car had half million on it, plus or minus a 100K.. The first bearing will be the worst, in general. You can reach and inspect this one right now.. since you can see the pump, the cap is right there beside it. You can pull the cap, if you must, and inspect the babbet. You can get close to the proper measurement on the journal if you are careful, and your digital electronic caliper has really sharp points (c: ... I doubt it's worth it but a visual inspection might calm your fears. The first one is worst for ?? reasons ( gravity, forward motion, who knows.. not me )... this has been my experience. The cap is normally the worst babbet half since it is countering the thrust from the piston. You can also change the pump in the situation you have now, but it's not worth the effort, IMO. Nor the cost. I changed the pump on an M110 once, and the good cost for all the parts, pump, gears, etc, was in the $500 range and that was in the mid 90's. And I doubt your's is bad. On another whole tack... It sounds from the gauge that it's 'close' to normal operating parameters. The oil may be thin.. it may have been changed by a non-believer with 5W20 or whatever to make it look thin on the stick, but it sounds exactly like my cars.. pegs when cold, runs under the mark when warm and idling.. what's not to love?? Dropping to the first line when hot might be thin oil. Dump the crap in it, check the filters as suggested, put in some real diesel oil, and see what it does. Oh, and putting a real gauge on it might not hurt either, making you feel better (c: .. You might be 'making oil' .. ( geeze, am I showing my age here or what ?? ) .. but I bet it's just a diesel that wants to be loved. Get to driving it. (c: Worst case is pulling the engine, replacing the babbet, and putting it back together again. Total $ if you do the job is under $100. Most of that is gaskets and such garbage. I think the bearings were in the $40 range last time I got them. On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:46 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: That engine has an engine lubricated injection pump. You should send off a sample to see if there is fuel contamination in the oil (although you should be able to smell it). You should also change the oil filter and verify that it is correctly installed with the fine mesh filter on top of the bypass filter and that the filters are good. It is also possible that the relief valve in the oil pump has gotten scored or cracked, this will also give you low oil pressure. And use a known good gauge to check that the oil pressure is indeed low -- even mechanical gauges can fail! If it is low, all you need is a bearing service if the compression is good and it has very little blowby. Pull engine, remove crankshaft, get is ground, replace bearings, and drive on. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Total battery down the drain drain
Jim's method is cool. No power loss to radios that remember, too (c: ... If one does not have a multimeter.. same trick can be done ( I like the 'post slide idea' ) using a parking lamp. It will glow a deep dull red at around 50 mA, or .05 Amp. Testing in a shaded area is suggested. A good battery will go for a long time at 50 mA.. so if you see anything more than a dull red glow, this is the time to start pulling fuses etc as discussed above. YMMV on the lamp, but it has to get up to pretty bright, indicating a significant leak, before you're in the arena of running down a battery over a short period of time. Full brilliance can be anything up to a few amps, depending on the bulb.. and of course a single parking lamp at full brilliance will go for many hours on a good battery. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 8:58 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Might be time to do the write up on how to check drain with a multimeter, crook diodes in alternators are a source of drain. Here's how I do it: Loosen the negative battery clamp, then hold one multimeter probe (meter set on Amps) vertically on the top post of the battery, and pinch the other probe against the side of the clamp as I lift it up over the probe. Check reading, then drop clamp back down onto the battery. That gives you the reading _without_ breaking the connection, which causes many things to cycle and draw more power than they're would normally. Repeat as necessary, disconnecting fuses, etc. A leaky alternator diode doesn't go through the fusebox. Usually the only unfused things are the alternator, and the starter. And any aftermarket crap that might be installed badly. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Well, they're vastly outnumbered by the people who are not individuals. Best, -Tim ROFLMAO... ( ps, is that ok, PC wise ?? ) On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:10 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: There were 2,355 households out of which . 22.0% were non-families. 18.4% of all households were made up of individuals I'm suprised the 'non families' are not up in arms against the wiki boys (c: Well, they're vastly outnumbered by the people who are not individuals. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Wow that's a big place.. and only two entrances. I bet the traffic at shift change can be challenging. However, I think I saw in the wiki article that the median age is in the 60's .. 70% of the people were over 45. So maybe not so crowded at the gate (c: There were 2,355 households out of which . 22.0% were non-families. 18.4% of all households were made up of individuals I'm suprised the 'non families' are not up in arms against the wiki boys (c: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:21 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is sort of a unique subdivision which has two ruling bodies; one of which was formed in rebellion against the other. The owner of the subdivision (which is probably most of the vacant lots) is Prudential Insurance company. I get newsletters from two. This subdivision is so large, the post office is thinking about assigning it a separate zip code. About the only time someone will be accosted about a broken rule is if a neighbor complains. The advantage of having nearly all one acre lots is that people are seldom bothered by their neighbors. One resident described it as Having all the advantages of living in the country without the disadvantages of living in the city. Winn Dixie, restaurants, drug stores, etc. are ten minutes from me; a mall is 20 minutes, Walmart 15 minutes. It's the best place I've ever lived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge,_Citrus_County,_Florida http://pineridgeflorida.com/ Gerry On 3/27/2014 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, If the property is in Florida and there is an HOA in place under Florida law they can potentially fine, or if there is no provision for fines in the bylaws, pay to have the work done then either file a lien or a foreclosure action against the owner. This takes no votes on the part of the membership and would be a direct decision of the Board. Makes no difference if the owner is a bank or an individual. I would point out that banks usually take a dim view of liens being placed on their properties, and once done so, are usually quick to resolve any issues. At least that has been my experience as an HOA board member dealing with such. We have a bank owned property in our neighborhood that has yet to go to a short sale despite the bank attempting to do so on several occasions. It's in poor shape and has even has some vandalism from what we can see. At last week's Board meeting we directed the management company to have the property cleaned up and secured, as well as filing for abandonment with the County, which is a pretty severe action. If the County considers it abandoned, we can attach the property and pretty much do what we want with it until the bank settles all costs we have incurred. Pretty severe action, but we got tired listening to the bank's promises that it was going to be cleaned up and sold, none of which they have followed through with. We'll recoup our costs including management and attorney's fees for all of this before they can sell it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:25 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. That would solve the problem, but there is so much of the undeveloped parts owned by people up north; not to mention the huge areas that belong to Prudential Insurance, it would be something of a nightmare trying to get everyone to comply. Gerry ___ All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Goose-stepping fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards
Well, was that a requested sermon? Exactly who is going to report me, and what would be the benefit?? Does OzBenz punish me, or is that left to someone else?? Richard Smiles, knowing he's doing his best to keep the list from becoming barren and soulless. On Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:17 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think a very strict code of conduct will do anything to improve the list, the end result being half the list dobs the other half in for minor violations. Even the original demand for moderation left a bitter taste in the mouth, that sort of thing should be done in private I think. What about links that contain 'adult' content or referencing a story that includes vulgar stuff. (it is netiquette to include a warning if a posted link contains mature content, ie NSFW (for those who don't know that one: Not Safe For Work, plenty of people have gotten into trouble for clicking on a link that they got in the email and all off a sudden there are female breasts bouncing on the screen)) If we get to the stage where everyone is on their tippy toes scared to say or post stuff because someone may take mild offence, this list will become pretty barren and soulless. Every good list/forum needs to have a bit of fun off topic banter, sure there needs to be limits but I think self moderation is the order of the day at this stage. If that don't work out, then we can revisit this. Remember folks it wasn't profanity that was the problem it was how that profanity was used towards others. Anyway end of the day it's up to Kaleb to determine the standard of behaviour here and we all have to abide by his decision. I may have mentioned that I am a mod on the OzBenz list and part of the job is to monitor what people say, the standard there is PG to mild M rating, so I let some words slide but censor others. Unless it's a bad violation I usually just edit the post by replacing the bad word with a less bad word. If the poster has a problem or is a serial offender than it's up to the admins to deal with it, as it is not my job to warn people. WTF is not a drama there and we even have a emoticon that waves a flag with the initial BS on them, which I surmise stands for bloody stupid? Actually we have a section for 'tell him he's dreaming' (kinda like crackhead of the day here) and WTF and the BS smily are there just about every day. We have a fairly broad membership at OzBenz, ranging from young people who own or want to own a Benz as their first car up to pretty old folk. So we try to accomodate all of them and have sections for modifying Benzes, where people who like originality should not go and recently we set up a section for adult stuff. This actually came about after I had an altercation with someone about their standard of behaviour and what he was posting in the forum. Funny thing is that it gets very little traffic but is handy if a thread starts to get out of control, as they sometimes do. Hendrik who may have said the word bugger once or twice but thinks he got away with it On 27/03/14 23:32, Craig wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:33:31 -0400 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Kaleb was the first person I heard use it. Acronyms like WTF should be no problem, but thinly disguised profanity might since it sounds sh-tty. Gerry I vote for strict interpretation of Kaleb's statement on this list. That is what it always has been and that's why Banned existed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Not a real problem to have a controlled burn in an area like that. We had one last year. I was super impressed. The NC Forestry Service pulled it off, had a whole bunch of guys in yellow suits and stuff, and trucks everywhere, and one big yellow helicopter. The helicopter shot fire balls, like a video game, every 50 yards or so, and the guys running the fire line started with the wind to their backs, using what looked like tomato sprayers, but fire came out and brush disappeared. They burned 75 acres, and were done in less than 2 hours. Prep included a fire brake done with a track hoe/plow/bush machine. It cuts a swath about 10 yards wide, and wider when the trees might allow the fire to skip over. This monster would cut down trees in the way, and plow the earth under them to some where around 2 feet.. big bottom plow attached to a digger/grader type.. sorta a bulldozer on steroids with a plow behind (c: I have pictures. Don't know how to attach them here. (c: Cheers Richard On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: You have native gooseberries?? WTF. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT 'puter stuff: SpinRite hard disk recovery utility
I'll elaborate although I did not read or see the first post... I've had great luck with data recovery using only a simple USB adapter that's available from many different computer outlets.. You plug it into the drive in question ( removed from the computer, obviously ) and into a USB port on a functioning computer.. and then pull the data you seek. Obviously it wont help on drives that are damaged so they won't spin, or in some other way non functional. However, if the loss is a result of a digital slight of hand performed by the computer, then your files are there for the taking. I hope this is remotely on subject.. grin On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate - do you have bad childhood memories related to Apples or apples? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: No no no, not apple talk. Andrew please start your own thread... SpinRite - anybody Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 336k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Ahhh, so the Hate Gary club has now evolved to three people?? Based on my term of existence on this list, and the order of growth of the club, we now have somewhere around 43 million years to go before everybody hates Gary. Except I will never be a member.. thus foiling your otherwise well thought out plan .. that.. and I think Dan will join me in my abstinence .. Enjoy your chinese parts snicker On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:51 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I am done sparring with Gary. I will not read anything he posts. I will not respond to anything he posts or anything that anyone else posts about him. I will NEVER order parts from him. DONE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Interesting tidbit
My recollection is that water will dissolve shellac. Not too sure about this, but if it does, it's slow. Potters use shellac to draw designs on green pots, then wash with water for relief texture. Of course they then put em in kilns at 2200F or so.. and that works just fine to 'disolve' the shellac... (c: On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: My recollection is that water will dissolve shellac. Randy On 07/03/2014 8:25 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: I am on a mini-lathe yahoo list, just happened to see this note this morning in regard to some crazy topic: If the screws were locked with shellac, alcohol is a logical choice to dissolve the shellac - petroleum derived solvents won't do much to loosen shellac. Standard methanol from the paint department is the usual solvent for shellac. If you need a penetrant to help removing stuck screws, methyl salicylate (synthetic oil of wintergreen) does a better job than any of the commercial ones or the mix of ATF acetone. It's a bit volatile, so, you need to keep reapplying it to keep a puddle of liquid that'll work its way along the threads. Roy Never heard of this methyl salicylate stuff but I bet it smells good. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ritter / Easley List
Ritter list now, I guess. Does this thing still exist? Is Hank still there?? Curious minds want to know.. and they want the URL for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Thinset mortar and bricks
I agree, don't do it. Regular masonry mortar is a better bet, cause it has more sand and such in it, and is designed to fill larger gaps than thinset. I guess you could go get some sand and mix it in the thinset to produce a masonry mortar of types, but I'd only do that in a real unusual situation ( deserted island ) cause masonry mortar is so cheap. On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:28 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I just did a project where I used about 2lb [1 kg] of thinset mortar intended for laying tile from a bag of 50 lb [22 kg]. I am also needing to do some tuckpointing on a brick chimney. So is it okay to use the thinset? I'm not a mason! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Greensboro, NC
I'm up for a CarolinaQ anytime anybody wants to get together. I'm west of Denton. Little berg in the country known as Pooletown. On Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:40 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Feb 15, 2014 7:04 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I was thinking that Wilton was in that neighborhood. Couldn't recall if you were there or not Rich's daughter is in school in Greensboro. And several of my in-laws but I don't believe you knew that before. :) Wilton is 2.5h ESE or so (Goldsboro, I can see that confusion). I'm in Chapel Hill, 1.2h east. I think Glenn is west a couple hours. There are also several other NC participants whose location I haven't seen disclosed on list. Maybe it's time for a CarolinaQ. We can use proper pig-based materials, but everyone will have to bring his own sauce... I've eaten at Ham's many times, I think they are down to just the Greensboro location now. Too bad the fellow didn't use his mafia connections to make his business profitable. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Greensboro, NC
Walt and I for starters (-: On Friday, February 14, 2014 6:38 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Local news I found interesting. Doesn't someone live in/around Greensboro? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140211/08444226177/businessman-threatens-to-sue-blogger-defamation-blogger-says-bring-it.shtml Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Service manuals for 123, 108, 113, and such...
I have a pile of the off lime green and also grey service manuals. They are on their way to ebay. I wanted to check here. Name your price. What do I want for them?? oh, maybe $200 each. (c: But I am open to offers, so seriously, name your price. I will be shipping them in the medium USPS box unless someone wants to do otherwise. So you can get more for the same shipping till the box gets plumb full .. I have the following M110 Motor manual ( two books ) OM615, 616, 617.91 NA Diesel book OM617.95 book 123 Chassis ACC book 123 Chassis manual ( two books ) 108, 109, 111, 113 Chassis manual Service manual, maintenance, tuning, parts replacement starting August 1959 123 Chassis 1984 update manual So if you see something you want, let me know. They are all in good condition, not covered in oil or left open on the workbench for three months. I used them primarily to get a correct version of what was on CD's. I'd print out the CD, correct it from the manual, then take the printout to the shop. I was trained by Martha Penoff. Or is it Dan Stuart?? Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody want some cheap reliable transportation?
Someone told me there's a $5000 car available here. Is there any way I can get in on the action?? On Monday, February 3, 2014 9:07 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: With the deluge of responses (I got four more this morning) I'm wondering how much money I've left on the table Dan On Feb 3, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Thanks, but as of 9:00 last night I had four people contact me to see the car today. One even wanted to PayPal me a deposit. If I can get my asking price I'm going that route, as I'm sure you can understandfrom the looks of things it will be sold today. 2500 is probably good. That's what I was planning on spending to get it to Michigan. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BioDiesel plant opportunity
Why would I want to buy it now when I can get it out of repo for half ?? (c: On Sunday, February 2, 2014 8:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dieselhead wrote: If anyone is interested in making biodiesel... Why is this bioplant being repo'd? Perhaps FrackOil is pricing seed oil out of the market? Speaking of FrackOil - is there good news about fracking? The stories I hear speak about ruining groundwater. Is all that true about frack? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] what is it .... linear anp
A lot depends on what you paid for it (c:.. If it was $5 then you're in cotton. If it was lots more, then wont be joy involved (c: Craigslist. Nothing wrong with selling it, it can be used by an amateur operator on 10 meters. But it was designed as an amplifier for CB radios. Yours has two tubes in it I believe, giving it a whopping 80 watts plate dissipation. Most real ham amplifiers have plate dissipation ratings from 400-1000 watts for linear service. Hope you find an illiterate CB guy to unload it on. On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:04 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: I think they are legal to sell since i think it can be used on some ham band probably why it says AMATEUR on the front i don't know how much CB resurgence there is xx r ok don wrote Sell the individual components? If it isn't licensed by the FCC, they can get all over your case if you try to sell it publicly. On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks, today at the thrift i bought a Maco Brute Seventy-Five Amateur Bi-Linear Amplifier So, how do it turn it into the largest pile of cash? xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] andrew
Is there any heat involved, or are they cold formed? Is their structural integrity compromised by the presence of green minerals?? On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:35 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: People, it's time to change the subject line again. I am tired of being in the limelight, especially as it is unwarranted. So - change it! It's really easy. *smiles* -- Philip So on this thread, lets talk about the superhero super abilities andrew has. Did y'all know that andrew makes bullets heavier than lead and stronger than steel out of cat turds with his bare hands? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who wants raspberry pi?
Actually I think that deal *might* suck dead gerbils thru a green garden hose.. It has 512 K on board memory.. and a slot for an SD card. The standard units available from reliable suppliers have also an 8 GB SD card supplied, often with software you'll need installed. I did not see that in a quick scan of the link supplied. This is the standard 40$ package. And it's not so hard to find them shipped for free, or $5 for the USPS box. They are cool units. Friend uses one to control a ceramics kiln. Grandson working on an online file server driven by one. They're pretty versatile. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:03 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:42:16 -0500 (EST) Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: $30 at microcenter: http://www.microcenter.com/product/414588/Raspberry_Pi_Model_B From that page, Save $10.00 / Originally $39.99 Find online. Buy in store. No stores near us. Must be sold out online. This morning you could get one shipped for $6 extra. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who wants raspberry pi?
The replacement of the servo electronics in older 123 and 107 chassis comes to mind. And the pulse train generator to the monovalve on the newer 123s. That may be the same ACC everbody else is talking about but... Automatic headlight dimmer. Childproof door lock above 5 mph. Cruise control that really works. Glow plug timers that don't quit, understand what the temperature is and heat appropriately, parking transducer readout, etc. This thread has tremendous Mercedes content. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 11:28 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: You could use one to drive a replacement for the evil crypsler ACC. What would thus have to do with a mercedes? On Jan 12, 2014 8:06 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: My point is - why would I want one? You wouldn't, but the resident Q in your goobermnt spy agency would ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: A temporary job for Craig
I'm pretty sure the hiring of large numbers of people is on the decline. Full time hiring of anybody other than a college graduate ( no experience ) or a graduate that's been out 5 years ( major experience ) is on the decline because nobody can predict their company's future beyond the end of their management's nose. Hire the wrong guy, and you're likely to loose your job. Management must have a scapegoat. *They* certainly didn't make a mistake. So the armed forces, teaching, and government in general, will continue to hire large numbers of folks. Some companies will be around for a while longer. Their girth makes it a necessity to hire in numbers. Thinks IBM, General Electric, Siemens. The economy has been driven for years by small business. In the same vein, it has been driven for years by temporary labor. I've found by personal experience that working in a job that you know will end in 3-5 years max is a good thing. You get to experience all kinds of new things, and your network gets huge in a hurry. For the last 5 years I've been 'retired' but still work for a company that contracts their engineering services all over Piedmont North Carolina. Variety is truly the spice of life. I find that I don't miss the 'security' of an 8-5 job because that security really doesn't exist any more anyway. I left my last 'permanent' job in 1992. I much prefer that my future not be at the whim of some blockhead who is only interested in securing the guarantee of his job's existence. Hand me the tiller, sir, I know how to get where I'm going, and I sure as hell don't need your incompetence and inefficiency getting in my way. I'm glad that Craig took the 'temp' job. Everything on earth is temporary. He knows the size of his temporary window, which is something unknown by many of the 'permanently' employed among us. He can function within this window to prove himself to the present powers that be, or promote himself to others. I wish him success and happiness. On Friday, January 10, 2014 11:42 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: And now he could run for president as a college professor! --R On 1/10/14 11:24 AM, Dieselhead wrote: On 10/01/2014 8:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Craig wrote: I was called on Tuesday by the Department Chair: Applied Technologies of the University of New Mexico at Los Alamos in response to one of my applications. He wanted me to teach a course on electronic devices and its associated lab as an adjunct professor. After deliberation and prayer, I accepted. The position will start 21 January and run through 17 May 2014. Cool. Now you've got something current and teaching to put on your college application resumes. Mitch. - - and who knows? Maybe they are having a look at you and will offer more if they like you? Randy Congratulations, I echo all three of the above sentiments. Right now there is a lot of fear of hiring in the USA. I think Randy may be onto something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SD not wanting to run in DC area
You're confused. I'm neither Fat nor in FL. Sorry. On Thursday, January 9, 2014 12:38 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Dude, I'm not FL FATS ... but I might still agree with you. You claimed to be in FL and you are fat. you like MN fats better? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SD not wanting to run in DC area
When the screw on filter is bad, it often goes bad very slowly. This is assuming a vehicle that is used semi regularly and fed fuel that is semi clean. My experience is that they just begin to restrict the fuel flow to the point that the car will run but has no power. My NA 300D would run forever, but only at 5 MPH around the parking lot when I bought it. New screw on filter, then it ran 70 no problem... My vote is like others, put it in a warm garage overnight, then drive it home. (c: On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:58 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I looked at filters a coupla weeks back, were clean, and I think I changed them not that long ago. But that was my first thought hence having her check them. She had another can filter, but for some reason she could not get it to screw on the housing, she said it was not dark or nasty looking in there (which is what I have seen when they are nasty and dark). The in-line was not nasty or dark, so that seemed to be OK. She is getting it towed to a shop, I told her to see if they could park it inside for awhile to warm things up and see if that is all it is. --R On 1/8/14 1:16 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: inline fuel filter looks ok is fairly ambiguous. she should always carry extras around i think water freezing makes sense to me as the nature of the rpoblem On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Original Message Subject: SD not wanting to run in DC area Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:50:45 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Daughter drove the SD to DC the other day, ready to go back to NC today, car starts but won't run but less than a minute, dies. I figure fuel filters, she checks both the in-line and the can, both look fairly OK. She filled up in Greensboro before heading to DC before it got cold, had a 1/4 tank left. I am thinking there might have been condensation in the tank, or water in the fuel, that has frozen in the tank filter or lines somewhere. Told her to put in some dri-gas (alcohol stuff) and some new diesel, she went to auto parts store and got some dri-gas and a can for diesel, put that stuff in the tank, still no go. She says it is -4.5C by the temp on the dash, so that is still cold enough to keep things frozen. I think probably the only thing is to get it in someplace warm and see if it thaws out enough to drive. Don't think she has a hair dryer and cord long enough at her friend's place. I found a coupla garages in Vienna nearby to Fairfax, she might need to get a tow there. Told her to call them and see what they think. Any other ideas? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SD not wanting to run in DC area
Dude, I'm not FL FATS ... but I might still agree with you. On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:23 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: When the screw on filter is bad, it often goes bad very slowly. This is assuming a vehicle that is used semi regularly and fed fuel that is semi clean. My experience is that they just begin to restrict the fuel flow to the point that the car will run but has no power. My NA 300D would run forever, but only at 5 MPH around the parking lot when I bought it. New screw on filter, then it ran 70 no problem... My vote is like others, put it in a warm garage overnight, then drive it home. (c: Hey! FL FATS AGREES WITH ME ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy
Two folks in the home going to work = higher discretionary income Higher discretionary income = eventual higher prices ( cars, homes ) as a function of capitalism Higher prices = requirement for two incomes Two income requirement = kids raised in mass storage facilities Kids raised in mass storage facilities = problem kids It's a spiral, and I don't see it ending any time soon. In my elementary school ( 360 kids or so ) we had one principal, one nurse, one secretary, one custodian, three cafeteria workers and a teacher for every 20 kids or so. Kids took turns in the cafeteria picking trash off trays and the floor, and running stuff thru the dishwasher ( it would have scalded me I'm sure ) .. There was a superintendent and a secretarial staff downtown. Those days are gone except in small Asian rim countries wait a minute, who is it that's kicking our ass in education these days.. Us, who were once at the top are now in the teens.. North Carolina education is the 48th worst in the country last time I checked.. and we do have tenure here. Hmm... all this seems to add up. On Monday, December 23, 2013 7:21 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Scott wrote: I blame it on women's lib. ... ...most mothers then were home makers. Now, it seems mothers need to work but mainly so they can afford to buy crap that isn't really needed. Folks have been brainwashed to believe they and their kids NEED all kinds of stuff that didn't even exist 50 years ago. In effect, they have sold themselves to become indentured servants to the economy. The increase in women in the workforce rather than in the motherhood force was due to the change 40 years ago of allowing 2 incomes to qualify for home mortgage. True? I don't know, but that is what I remember learning. +1 - to all your comments - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
I did most of what you're talking about on an old Dell laptop I had, and after the 41 ( or so ) updates, the machine booted once and crashed. That was the end of that. I went back in 'history' to a functional point and made that my starting point, ignoring the updates that it had just installed. It ran, and runs fine, to this day. I add this snipped of worthless data because if you set a new 'reference' point to return to before you install all that stuff ( after downloading it ) you can return to your present state of bliss after it crashes (c: .. On Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:15 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:36:02 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: 99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process again. Sounds like you are running into this issue: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/ Yes, that sounds like the problem. From that article, I inferred that if I just left the Windows Update running, it would eventually complete the O(2^n) process. After my Garmin maps update completed, I restarted Windows Update and left it. This morning I returned to my laptop to find that Windows Update had indeed completed and said I had 41 updates. I told Windows Update to go ahead and it is now in the process of downloading and installing. With the new n being 41 greater than the old n, I can just imagine how long it will take next time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy
cliches just cover for a lack of core competence in many public school teachers Cliches and tenure, actually... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They Killed Victor!
Sogolow Starter Alternator Works 499 Main St Norwich CT 203-889-7269 203-889-4889 Doug Sogolow Owned a 113 chassis SL for years, then abandoned it for an SEC I believe Don't know if the numbers / addy are any good any more... it's from a magnet tag on my toolbox (c: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:15 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I take it that the offending driver left no note or identifying information? Does that make it a hit and run? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] They Killed Victor! It was parked right outside my house. My neighbors witnessed the incident and got all the data for me. Then let me know when I got back home. clay On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, OK Don wrote: I HATE it when that happens! With one exception (that happened in 1968), all of the damage done to my cars has been while they were parked. The other drivers suck! On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:18 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: A lame ass dump truck driver backed his beaver tail trailer into the S430. Took out a massive gouge all along the driver side. Trunk, both doors are now exposed to elements and rust. I can still drive, but I am sure the body work will equal the value of the car. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Generator/Alternator Guy in CT
Sogolow Starter Alternator Works 499 Main St Norwich CT 203-889-7269 203-889-4889 Doug Sogolow Owned a 113 chassis SL for years, then abandoned it for an SEC I believe Don't know if the numbers / addy are any good any more... it's from a magnet tag on my toolbox (c: Show message history On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:19 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Does anyone recall the name of the guy who was around some years back that had an automotive electrical place in Connecticut? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They Killed Victor!
And I guess the little Chromebook got confused and sent a reply to everything open since I walked into the garage and out of range of the wifi .. sorry for interrupting... On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:41 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Sogolow Starter Alternator Works 499 Main St Norwich CT 203-889-7269 203-889-4889 Doug Sogolow Owned a 113 chassis SL for years, then abandoned it for an SEC I believe Don't know if the numbers / addy are any good any more... it's from a magnet tag on my toolbox (c: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:15 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I take it that the offending driver left no note or identifying information? Does that make it a hit and run? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] They Killed Victor! It was parked right outside my house. My neighbors witnessed the incident and got all the data for me. Then let me know when I got back home. clay On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, OK Don wrote: I HATE it when that happens! With one exception (that happened in 1968), all of the damage done to my cars has been while they were parked. The other drivers suck! On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:18 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: A lame ass dump truck driver backed his beaver tail trailer into the S430. Took out a massive gouge all along the driver side. Trunk, both doors are now exposed to elements and rust. I can still drive, but I am sure the body work will equal the value of the car. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] i learn a new word from dwight giles today
I'll be glad to discuss BBQ with anyone, anytime. I'll even take them to Lexington ( 20 minutes from my house ) and buy them some if they stop by. However, the discussion will not have anything about SC, Kansas, Georgia, Texas or any of those other imposters mentioned. No reason to insert misleading information into an otherwise very intelligent discussion (c: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: I was telling my wife tonight about an article I read in USeless Air seat magazine that tracked BBQ from NC all the way west to Kansas city. In Nashville we had hickory smoked with red sauce that was between NC vinegar based heavier red in Memphis. On Nov 27, 2013 10:05 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Lexington and Charlotte use a sweet, tomato-based sauce; Eastern NC BBQ such as that in Wilson and Goldsboro use a vinegar-based sauce along with cooking it over REAL hardwood coals to produce REAL BBQ. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] i learn a new word from dwight giles today In the south, BBQ is quite regional. Lexington NC considers itself the BBQ capitol, but I can hardly eat that red stuff. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:33 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] i learn a new word from dwight giles today A couple years ago I taught a class at a TV station in Greenville, SC. Its not far from Charlotte so I flew into Charlotte, rented a car there and drove down. On the way I passed about a hundred barbecue places and joked about it at the station. They asked it I liked barbecue and when I gave the affirmative they said they'd take me for the best barbecue in South Carolina! So we go to this place which is, no joke a former machine shop. Its an old Morton building that still smells of machine oil and the barbecue was pretty good. Well of course afterward they ask me if that wasn't the best barbecue I ever had and I allowed as how it was pretty good but not the best. They wanted to know where the best barbecue I'd ever had was and although I warned them that they wouldn't like the answer they still wanted to hear. I told them Buck's Naked BBQ, Freeport, ME http://www.bucksnaked-bbq.com/ now apparently in Windham and Portland as well. Thats when I went from being the Yankee instructor to That gawd dammed Yankee, he don't know a dawd dammed thing about barbecue! -Curt Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:36:40 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] i learn a new word from dwight giles today Message-ID: cantulyh4b2upsz+qvnc3z-bl+5zyghm6knaivosyrajsj4o...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 snip Damn-Yankee, on the other hand has always meant exactly that.. lol.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hood Stars and Ice
The stars are unique... the only hood ornament that, in the correct atmospheric conditions, will condense water on your windshield as you drive down the road. IE, no rain, but heavy humidity, cool, etc. You'll get a big cloud of water in the center of the windshield. I promised myself that if it ever took the shape of a star I would take a picture of it. Never did, however. Guess I didn't get the right conditions.. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:59 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: While driving to church Sunday morning, I noticed that the hood star on our 1982 240D/3.0 was crooked. When we got to church, I got out and tried to straighten it. Eventhough it had snowed and was in the mid-20s, I did not think of ice. When I tried to move it, the star broke off in my hand. So, Kaleb, do you have a W123 hood star? If so, how much? IIRC, you could buy a new one for less than $20 ten years ago. Now it seems the W124 star has replaced it. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/2414559-post14.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Polishing concrete
And also extremely slick. Don't drive in at any speed out of a rainstorm unless you want a rear entrance in the garage (c: The epoxy finishes are pretty good. I am getting ready to do that in my garage as soon as all the other projects around here get done. My wife wants the black and white checkerboard floor .. Hm On Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:43 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes polishing is more expensive than the slab! They did a nice smooth job but epoxy is delicate and can chip and peel. A polished surface is permanent and beautiful. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2013, at 12:43 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:25:03 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm building a new garage and the slab is poured. I'm thinking about having a polished concrete surface. The guy who poured the slab quoted me $7 per square foot. This is way beyond my budget. I was therefore thinking about doing it myself. Does anyone know if this is a DIY type of job. Anyone with any experience polishing concrete floors? $7/square foot?! Just to polish?! I paid only $5/square foot for our 6 thick, fiber and mesh reinforced, 4000 psi concrete driveway. BTW, why do you want it polished? Did the guy who placed it not give it a smooth surface? Would not putting down an epoxy finish (which is very much a DIY project) give you a nice finish? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Google maps sat photo
Dan, Spooky picture for sure.. The car door open is interesting, but if you go to the street view you can inspect the three bags of recycle and see the two white and one black garbage bags... The contents of that first recycle bag looks interesting.. h On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:49 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Go to Google Maps and enter 1957 Cherry Tree Road, Avon, IN and zoom in on the house. The asshats are tearing up the backyard putting an in-ground pool (great idea for someplace like Indianapolis!) and there are two people standing on the driveway just in front of the garage. Note that there is a dark colored car in front of the house with the door open. Intelligent. Dang, I miss that house On Nov 16, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Not sure how they would know unless they would use some sort of person recognition. My buddy is mostly recognizable as a white blob at the resolution, but he is a big guy so that's gotta be him. This is the low-res stuff on google maps, imagine what the normal res stuff would show. I could probably read his tshirt. On the pics of my Houston house (at least the older ones) I can see my fleet parked around the house. Kinda cool. --R On 11/16/13 3:15 PM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:06:28 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There is a Google maps sat photo of my former house in Indiana and there are two people standing out in the driveway. In my looking around on Google Maps, I have never seen a person when the satellite view was zoomed all the way in. Have they changed things lately? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D Block Heater
You will need all the room you can muster. Don't remember for sure about the starter, but the intake manifold is not a big deal to pull and it'll help a bunch. The thing looks like it's just screwed in there, but in truth there are three million molecules of bust ass in there devoted to keeping you from removing it.. make sure the tool fits so you don't round off the hex. A crescent wrench won't do it. On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:22 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ya'll, I replaced my electric cord with a new one and the heater still is not working. I assume a new one is called for How much trouble to RR the heater? It's looks like a simple unscrew to remove - reverse to install. Does the starter need to be removed? It's hard to see under the intake manifold -- does the manifold need to come off? Thanks! LarryT 78 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire fixing
Ran into something similiar here, only stricter.. the shop would not mount my tire no matter the age. Safety concerns. I've dealt with the shop for years, had a poor puppy dog look I guess... they told me to tip the mechanic, he'd be on break in 5 minutes. So I got it mounted, and it only cost me 10 instead of 12 (c: Everybody left happy. On Friday, November 15, 2013 6:48 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I had a slow leak on a tire on my truck, and a take-off from one of the SDs I wanted to put on a rim I bought, to use as a spare. I go to this tire place, they have a small corner lot, and the parking spaces in front are numbered with 2 floor jacks at each one. They have 5 or 6 in front, a few along the side that are covered, and some space out back for parking. You pull into a spot, the guy jacks the car and does the tire changing there, with a coupla bays for mounting, spinning, etc. Very efficient. I got the leak fixed (small nail) but he would not mount the old tire (which still had a fair amount of tread) since it was a 2002 vintage and he couldn't do anything over 10 years. I guess that makes sense at some level, but for a spare... Anyway, interesting shop but the spare deal kinda annoyed me. The intersection of trial lawyers and the nanny state... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joints
I made a tool for the `123 chassis. It might work on a 126. it was cut from 3/4 plate with one of those fancy wire machines, then welded together. It's available to anybody who wants it. It's heavy ( no chit ) and requres a bottle jack to complete the assembly.. but it's in Salisbury NC for those interested. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:14 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I've seen photos of that Benz tool and it looks pretty slick. There is a Sir Tools clone (which is reported to work) for about $250+tax+$hipping and better copies (allegedly) for hundred(s) more. So I decided to get an SW Shield instead. If the $100 tool does the job, I'll be happy. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joints Interesting. The Benz tool is like a clamp sort of thing with a screw on to press down on the BJ (I think the fairing around the part that goes in the knuckle -- it fits over the stud) at the proper angle. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joints
I'll see if I can dig them up. It was basically a fork, round to fit round the boot, fingers of 3/4 material, long enough to begin to interfere with whatever is back there on the knuckle, and that fork plate was welded to a pair of vertical plates down to a base plate. All very thick steel. The distance was adequate to fit in my bottle jack so I could press the ball joint out. I also found that if you could put up with the smoke, a blue tipped wrench placed in the middle of the back of the cup and allowed to just sit there and make things molten usually resulted in a joint that could be popped out with a ball pien hammer. Don't slip and get into the knuckle though. They really really laugh at you down at the junk yard when you drag in with your tail between your legs and a knuckle with a big gash in it. It melts fast. (c: On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:24 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: How about some photos and maybe measurements? Randy On 14/11/2013 6:08 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote: I made a tool for the `123 chassis. It might work on a 126. it was cut from 3/4 plate with one of those fancy wire machines, then welded together. It's available to anybody who wants it. It's heavy ( no chit ) and requres a bottle jack to complete the assembly.. but it's in Salisbury NC for those interested. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:14 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I've seen photos of that Benz tool and it looks pretty slick. There is a Sir Tools clone (which is reported to work) for about $250+tax+$hipping and better copies (allegedly) for hundred(s) more. So I decided to get an SW Shield instead. If the $100 tool does the job, I'll be happy. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joints Interesting. The Benz tool is like a clamp sort of thing with a screw on to press down on the BJ (I think the fairing around the part that goes in the knuckle -- it fits over the stud) at the proper angle. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This kind of rare?
There were 500's in that era, a buddy had a 500SL back then. Great googly moogly that thing could eat gas. On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I did not ask if it was worth that much, I asked if it was rare. If it really is a 500 it is rare I think Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: $2500 for that pos? Wow, Okiecrak at its best... Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/29/2013 7:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4159425048.html Sent from my iPhone --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 cars for sale
Rick, What in the world do you have against list members (c: . ADESA sells a running rust free 300D with NA 617 mills for $300. ( admittedly the passenger front fender had been painted with a brush and the pads were junk, but... ) They should really be getting the scrapper in there, eh? If you want to get some $$ out of these scrappers, part em out. It's the only humane thing to do (c: On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:20 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks, I just bought a fairly rough 1982 300d turbo light blue has some rust, a few dents, probably bad auto transmission, good engine dents, etc complete what should i do with this car? i could part it out on ebay, but would rather see it go more quickly it's complete i'm taking the battery for another car and the best couple of the tires scrap price is about $400 i'd probably sell it to a listmember for $800 we also have a 240 bad engine (hole in block) and i think bad trans (auto) but fairly nice body ... no rust my associate here has these two cars he wants me to see if i can sell THE FIRST is a 300D turbo, maybe 1984 or so, stretch limousine . runs and drives, but has been sitting and only started occasionally for the past few years BUT it was built by some california company, i think, so it's not a factory job it's quite long it has sort of a velour interior . has rust and body is not so great ... i think it has very low mileage maybe 100k or something engine always ran nicely THE SECOND is a rare 300td with MANUAL TRANSMISSION i think it's a euro model and is factory maybe it's 1979 i think it has a non turbo engine in it but it also comes with a spare turbo diesel engine in the back (hopefully the one with the suspension pump) and some spare doors etc has some rust 706 540-3285 noon to midnite or later is fine if you want to discuss i have handy photos of the blue sedan i bought that i can email and will take some of the others all cars are in athens, ga none really driving thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keys.
I have a raft of blank keys for the 123 series machines. Does that help? On Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:28 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the only guy who will sell me keys wants notarized documentation. some of you guys claim to know of a dealer with easy terms but i cannot find him and none of you will reveal his identity On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Alles. What is the current status of key availability? Gary, or Stealer, or? 87 300TD Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AM/FM
Nor in North Carolina.. On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:24 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:20 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Most be location specific. There is no progressive chatter in OK. Not even on public radio? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Stuff from Radio Shack is fine. Spread it thin to win (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 9:50 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Ever wonder how well Mustard or Chocolate work as thermal paste on a CPU? http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490/5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
I use a Chromebook (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I retired my 20 C2D iMac for the youngest son to take to college to augment his Toshiba i7 laptop. To replace the iMac, I bought a Mac Pro 1,1 from a fellow Mac buddy for $400 shipped to my house. That included a 128GB SSD boot drive. The Mac Pro blows my iMac away, and i's only running 2-2.66 GHz dual core Xeons with a firmware flash to the 2,1 firmware. I know I can pop in a couple of X5355s or 5365s to bump it to an 8 core machine for under $100. It does such a good job the way it is I haven't felt the need. It wouldn't make a lot of difference to me anyway, as most of the stuff I run is single threaded anyway. When I do rip a CD or run Handbrake I can definitely tell the difference. Love my Macs. MacDan On Oct 11, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the first macs i encountered were late 90s and i thought it was some of the nicest hardware i'd ever seen. i used to really enjoy taking 2 or 3 junk pismos and making 1 good one, generally in under an hour. similarly with the g3 imacs. and my g4 dual powermac was really fantastic in look, feel and function i was less moved by my current stuff but never had any issues with either unit. the 2005 G5 quad powermac is still my main machine and the 2007 core2duo mini also runs without a hitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Check/clean the fan filter. If the case has unusual heating situations, it will do funny things with a touchpad or pencil eraser mouse. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:54 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he graduated. It worked fine for several months, but then developed a crawling pointer fault. The pointer very slowly crawls toward the hinge after the computer warms up. I'd very much appreciate your opinions on the likeliest cause. I've fixed other boards by replacing the electrolytic capacitors but never tried it on a laptop board. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] All alone - abandoned
Only us old people. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [MBZ] All alone - abandoned Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump oil
Actually you should change it regularly. If you do a lot of service, it's almost monthly. There are guidelines which I don't remember, but I do remember them surprising me at how often it should be changed. From: m...@voyager.net m...@voyager.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Vacuum pump oil Those who have vac pumps for A/C service, what do you do for pump oil? All my local options are in the $15-20 per quart range. Advance Auto had a clearance sale on Robinaire oil for $6.99, but not in the stores. I'd have to order a case of 12, which is way more than a lifetime supply. I found Mobil pump oil for $6.14 +$5 shipping on eBay. Ordered it yesterday AM, got it from UPS today. Half a gallon for $17.28, it was as if NAPA had a 'buy one get one' sale. Now it will be years before I have to buy the stuff again. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321069135288 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes Benz 300TD wagon - $500 (Mattapoisett)
Nothing wrong with that car as long as your jack has a 3 1/8 inch pin .. From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:27 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes Benz 300TD wagon - $500 (Mattapoisett) Not mine, etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: 1985 Mercedes Benz 300TD wagon - $500 (Mattapoisett) fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist: 1985 Mercedes Benz 300TD wagon http://southcoast.craigslist.org/cto/4090904537.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX180MTU4NDE1OOAI7oyWQcYdcjuWykS7wwYxMc5zP3lLjbHhrVIJREOFX8Hyu8PFgY96ew1N-tVvog ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiring a Switch in the Glow plug Relay
The glowplugs can be 10ga, no worries there, remember as somebody else said its only 16a on a 4cyl. The one that really ought to be heavier is the wire from the battery to the solenoid which has to carry the whole 80a. 10ga seems to be adequate, in that its always worked for me but bigger is always better right ;) Any time you can go bigger, do it. Up to a 'stupid limit' of course. If I had #8 or even #6 for plug wire, I'd use it. Bigger than that and you get into connector issues pretty fast. Remember the older plugs that had bare wire running between them and a single feed from the end.. that wire was no bigger than #10 and prolly #12 in fact. It glowed red, too, sometimes. You can't get around 4 of those 10ga runs, gotta have one each to the injectors. If you're rewiring the whole thing, I'd seriously consider only one wire, jumping between plugs, feeding from the middle with #8 or so.. and have the jumper wire custom made on some copper washers for connectors on top the plugs, make it #6 or so, or even bigger. Then you have only one rail, not all the wires flopping around, and one feed. A solenoid is a simple relay. 2 sets of contacts, one relatively low power which activates the other higher power. I *think* all solenoids are relays but not all relays are solenoids. -Curt A solenoid is a coil of wire that has a ferromagnetic piece that moves based on magnetic field. Sometimes that movement closes contacts. Sometimes it allows air flow. Sometimes it controls fluid. If it is used as a relay, then the ferromagnetic piece opens/closes a set (s) of contacts that are rated at whatever you're trying to do with them ( hopefully (c: ) .. Interestingly some starter soleniods do both.. they have a mechanical component that slams the pinion into the ring gear, and an electrical component that applies power to the armature of the starter ( BA relay, if we're into alphabetisms LOL ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Reading Across Battery
Although the relay is involved, you need to revisit the diagnosis. My concern is that having 12+ on the plug and 10+ at the battery says you are creating energy somewhere. Einstein says this can't happen. The battery/alternator are the source in the system, everything else is downhill. Go back and remeasure. Also feel around for warm wires, etc. If it's the relay, about the only thing it can do wrong is not time out or have main contacts that are welded together. From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Reading Across Battery it's just like the links I sent you. a 7 pin and a 6 pin. I am not ready to spend $300 right now. I want to check around here and also see if Kleberoo may have one lying about. Bob R Have to check VIN when I get home On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i'm getting it now . the last 6 of your VIN fall between 149292 and 208266? On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you say it was a 7 pin relay? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Finally figured it out it is the glow plug relay. After I start the engine, volts across the battery was 10.45. And volts on the first glow plug was 12.6ish. Then I remove the fuse in the relay, volts are 13.8 across the battery and 0 volts on the glow plug. Bam! Now I have to find a relay. Bob R On Sep 16, 2013 7:54 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: 10 volts would be just about one cell dead. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I have a 2001 F-250. Got it new, love it. Diesel was 4K$ more at the time, and it just wasn't worth it, even though fuel was cheaper then. If you tow all the time for a living, then a diesel is a good thing. If you're buying a utility truck to go to the lake, pick up lawn stuff, and in general haul stuff around but not for a living, then gas is great. Now that the cost of diesel is so far north of gas, I am convinced my lil ole F-250 gasser was a good choice. Now I got 66K miles on it. It will still be here when the crematorium is messing with me (c: From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Reality is that Gary doesn't know what I'm looking for! Lots of good points being made here (other than Gary's), so thanks for the input. A diesel isn't out of the question, but I'd like to avoid having to a steep learning curve with something completely new. A gas 350, or example, is something that will be very easy to manage without much new to learn. Ideally I get something that I just do a major service on, maybe brakes or some suspension, and then have it is be fairly trouble free for a while. Jaime On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey
True, but we're talking about Ford F-250's. There is not a significant mileage difference between the gas and the diesel versions. Mine gets 14 towing the boat, 15 on the road. A diesel gets 20. I was going to be out $4K up front. Maintenance on an F-250 Diesel is very expensive. At the 2001 price, I was just not interested in spending the extra 4K$. Plus I didn't want the cost of the huge air filter or the dual big batteries. So right now, using 3.45 for gas, 3.90 for diesel, pretty accurate where I am, and 66K miles, and 15 mpg for gas and 20 mpg for diesel, I get that I would have spent $2310 less in fuel now than I have. However, I had to spend 4K$ for the ability to save that money. I realize that it's not an amazing amount of money I'm saving 12 years later, but I've had absolutely no issues with the truck, gas works fine, I've pulled a 300TD from Atlanta to here, etc etc. Now if you want to look at little cars, I am thinking about either a new Jetta TDI or a new Prius. I am back to thinking about gas vs diesel, and your numbers have more validity. I've rented both cars, and find they are very similiar as far as utility is concerned. Now I have to make the decision about gas and diesel again. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie So far north of gas? I got my aunt with this the other day, they have a diesel Passat and a gasser Volvo. We talked it out and if you aim low on the Passat and say 40mpg and say 30mpg on the Volvo which is probably slightly optimistic that gives the Passat a 33% advantage right? If gas is $3.65 and diesel is $4 (and thats a bad spread, its not as bad here) thats 35 cents difference or around 9%. So my contention is that you spend an extra 9 cents to save 33. You don't have to hit me twice with a stick... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 1379456364.48504.yahoomail...@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a 2001 F-250. ?Got it new, love it. ?Diesel was 4K$ more at the time, and it just wasn't worth it, even though fuel was cheaper then. ?If you tow all the time for a living, then a diesel is a good thing. ?If you're buying a utility truck to go to the lake, pick up lawn stuff, and in general haul stuff around but not for a living, then gas is great. ?Now that the cost of diesel is so far north of gas, I am convinced my lil ole F-250 gasser was a good choice. Now I got 66K miles on it. ?It will still be here when the crematorium is messing with me (c: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Reading Across Battery
13.7-14.2 volts, or so. From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: [MBZ] Volt Reading Across Battery What should the volt reading across the battery be when the engine is running? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volt Reading Across Battery
I have to ask.. Did you get the alternator from Trent?? OK, fun over... although you have all the info, we have almost none.. why did it get replaced? Do you know the battery is good ( I kinda doubt it, but I'm not there ) . Have you checked the meter or repeated the measurment with another meter? LIke someone said, wired wrong, no output. However it's really tough to wire these wrong since they are self excited and use the only other terminal they have to tell you when it's charging with a bulb on the dash. So what does the bulb say?? Or if your bulb is mute, what does it tell you when you turn on the key.. then start the engine.. ( if you can start it on 10+ volts. Light on, then light off when the engine starts?? I doubt it... but... Most batteries float at 12+. Not much +, a little. A battery at 10+ is an issue. Unless it's being drug down to that level by a stupendous load ( like all the lights on, the glow relay contacts welded, and the starter hung ) then I'd say you got a bad battery. But I don't know.. I'm not there. From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Reading Across Battery I just replaced the alternator and the reading I get across the battery is 10.45. What the heck... Bob R On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: 13.7-14.2 volts, or so. From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: [MBZ] Volt Reading Across Battery What should the volt reading across the battery be when the engine is running? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Use it up etc
Use part of the old tube to make an inner liner to protect the new tube. Beat the concrete off with a rubber mallet. Most of it will exit. Then you can paint it. Don't store iris bulbs from that nice old lady over the winter. They have some kind of acid inside that makes them eat holes in the bottom. Mine looks like the moon on the bottom. The old wood handles last forever, I think. I cannot imagine how long handles of today's wood would last. I've had mine since 1971 or so, and it's still strong. It's been outside half of it's adult life. Other than a few divots on the bed shaped strangely like iris bulbs. I still have the Load Hog lawn bucket that my granddad used. We still use it. Had to put new wheels on it a few years ago. He died in '62 .. they just don't make it like they used to. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Use it up etc On 12/09/2013 11:50 AM, Mountain Man wrote: I call straw man. I also encourage us to DIY. There is satisfaction in DIY, regardless of income. Be happy. Income disparity is a ploy to foment discontent. Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without. Income? - yep, I am doing without... so that my kids and Curt do not need to pay for existence of an old guy in Illinois. My time has lots of good memories. Discontent is not good for the soul. mao I was working on our old wheelbarrow from out at the lake last evening. The initial issue was a flat tire. I pulled the wheel and bought a tube as I knew it had been patched before at least once, and then I noted the tire was so cracked that it might not long protect the new tube, so I bought a new tire. When I pulled the tire off, I found the wheel to be very rusty on the inside. Last night I wire brushed the wheel and put a coat of paint on it - inside where it won't show but trying to slow the rust and smooth the surface a bit to protect the new tube. I also bought new handles for it and I am going to have to measure and get all new bolts to put it back togetheragain as all were rusty and I destroyed them taking it apart. Unfortunately, I am not taking a whole lot of pleasure in the ressurection of this thing as it looks as though it has come through a war. It will need some welding too as the wrap of the lip over the rim wire is broken in places etc. I began wondering if I should have just got a new wheelbarrow. It has to be at least 50 years old and maybe more than that. It must weigh double what it should as it has quite a coat of concrete on the sides etc. I considered painting the whole thing but figured it would not look like much with the paint over the concrete and I am not going to try to remove all the concrete. BUT I am fixing it and it will go back out to the lake - hopefully yet this fall, and will be ready for duty once again. The cost is minimal as the tire and tube were inexpensive and the handles were not bad either. A good new contractor size wheelbarrow would cost over a $100 and we don't use it enough to really justify spending a lot on it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
if you have a sister who truly believes as you suggest, perhaps your sister needs to get out more,...? Read it again. I didn't say anything at all about her beliefs. I said she relayed to me there was a bias. She certainly is not the only person to relay this particular bias against Asians in her part of the country. She lives in SF. Small city by the bay. Doesn't get out much.. My post certainly is not blatant trolling. I am amazed by the cultural differences toward bigotry and racism that exist across our country. One man's trash is another man's treasure. I have never found issue with the term Oriental, yet I find that it is totally unacceptable in other parts of the country. From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ? eh? (i'm going to give this the benefit of the doubt that this isn't just blatant trolling,... once.) i don't know where in California your sister lives, but in a state as large as California i don't doubt that you might find some who have a bias against anything you can name. i can assure you that in my fairly extensive travels of California, i have found no place where there is what i would call a significant bias, and would suggest that those who may have such a view are by far in the minority. if you have a sister who truly believes as you suggest, perhaps your sister needs to get out more,...? ;-) cheers! e On 10/Sep/13 10:12, Richard Hattaway wrote: My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
The internet is full of concepts and opinions. I couldn't stand it, so I went to one of the largest purveyors of opinion to see what they say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient So it certainly appears that it depends on what country you live in, and in our country, depends on what state you live in. My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. It may even depend on what county you live in. In my county, since I am now the official expert on the term, both terms will be considered politically correct to describe anyone living on the left hand side of the time line to somewhere right of Iraq. Asian will be considered a more proper term. However no one will scorn Oriental, since it's in frequent use by the old timers here. And absolutely nobody will discuss the actual path of the Orient Express. Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
Wilton, As Marshall took his last breath, he whispered to me that he really think's it's OK if someone does not sign his posts. (c: And you can take Rowan County's recently adopted PC terminology for your county if you wish. You're close enough and old enough (c: What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating? The internet is full of concepts and opinions. I couldn't stand it, so I went to one of the largest purveyors of opinion to see what they say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient So it certainly appears that it depends on what country you live in, and in our country, depends on what state you live in. My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. It may even depend on what county you live in. In my county, since I am now the official expert on the term, both terms will be considered politically correct to describe anyone living on the left hand side of the time line to somewhere right of Iraq. Asian will be considered a more proper term. However no one will scorn Oriental, since it's in frequent use by the old timers here. And absolutely nobody will discuss the actual path of the Orient Express. Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the week, and it is only tuesday
So they think it's a four cylinder?? I'd go look at that car if it were on this coast. The price is right for here, and I love English Red. From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] CL moron of the week, and it is only tuesday http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/4045628292.html This just screams idiot who should not sell cars. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Mike, I don't assume someone is stupid. If you re-read your comment, the one I reacted to, you will find you offer nothing positive, and that the post itself only inserts a modicum of fear about the test. In essence, you attack the concept offered by someone as being asinine. If you want to offer some constructive suggestions, fine. If you want to run around screaming the sky is falling, it does no one any good. Plain and simple. Richard From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D Mr. Hattaway, maybe you should not assume folks are stupid. Been a mechanic over 25 years. You try starting even a good starting Diesel with the average set of cables people use these days and a bad battery and you are going to burn up the cables. They are meant to charge first, then start. Heavy cables are not cheap and most people do not own a $100 set of jumper cables capable of starting a Diesel. Yes, charging only isn't a big deal and completely safe as long as he is careful. Not even really likely to damage the diodes swapping terminals as long as nothing is crossed. Mike Who is trying to be of help and takes offense to being told he is an idiot, in so many words. On Sep 3, 2013 5:04 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: What kind of claim is this??? Jumper cables are like welding cable. At least good ones are. The two batteries are running 12 volts float. There is little likelihood of anything other than minor charging going on between the two batteries, since he said he's disconnecting the 'good' vehicles cabling. This is nothing more than jump starting the car as far as the cables are concerned. Nothing is going to burn up here. In fact, what will probably happen is the alternator will begin charging the newly introduced battery since the questionable one was run dry, thus has a high resistance cell eliminating the ability for the battery to be charged by the alternator. He's looking for 13.7 out of the alternator which is correct, and should be achieved if A) the alternator is capable of charging, and B) the battery is able to be charged. It's a simple test, takes seconds, and is accurate. It can be done in business clothes. It eliminates or proves half of the A) and B) above. There is no chance of meltdown or fire any more than there is during any jump start situation. Please be accurate and thoughtful with your posts before making some wild comment about burning up cables, etc. Someone here might think you know what you're talking about. From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D If you are saying you are going to use your jumper cables in between the 240 battery and the 300 cables and starter yhen you better have a big set of cables. Like welding cable. Otherwise you will burn them up and not answer your question. Better to just swap out the batteries and see if the issue follows the battery from the 300. Mike On Sep 3, 2013 2:21 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's a good idea, Richard. I'll put the 240D and the 300D side by side and jumper with all the cables off. I know the 240D battery is good. Batteries are both group 49. Thanks, Gerry From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com Like everybody else has said, please change the battery before you go to all that trouble. You could even just use some jumper cables and clamp another one in parallel to the toasted one to prove your point. Much easier than messing with regulators and drill presses (c: Thanks to Rick, Richard, and Loren for your advice; and to Fred for the connector which arrived in good order. Going to wire it up and try it again. If the connector wasn't the problem, will put a good regulator in and try it. If that doesn't work, will chuck the 3 used alternators in the drill press one at a time and try the half dozen regulators (hooked to the 12 volt shop battery) until I find a good combination. If that doesn't work, I'll assume that the battery, (which had boiled out most of its water in one cell), is at fault and get FLAPS to put in a new battery which they agree to do at my option. Gerrymostly talking to myself __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Has anyone ever seen a fire from jumper cables in anything other than a dream? Sure, we've all gotten them warm enough to make the insulation tacky, but I am under the assumption that if someone is capable of making an alternator test station from a drill press he is also capable of looking after his well-being when he's using jumper cables. Lets give Gerry a bit of credit here. I bet he can spot hot jumper cables. All I wanted to do was make a suggestion that he could save the ass busting clothes staining work of moving a big ole diesel battery from one car to another by using jumper cables in a charging test. He apparently had no problem starting the car. First thing I know, someone comes screaming into the room that there's gonna be a fire. Now *really*?? If the long term mechanics on the list have actually caught jumper cables on fire then they really ought to consider a new line of work. Thus my comment. If I hurt someone's feelings, I apologize. That is not my intention. I will respond to an exaggerated response. The claim of a fire is an exaggerated response. My time on this thread is done. Hope Gerry gets his alternator issue solved. From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D That is exactly it. Mike On Sep 4, 2013 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think it was Please be accurate and thoughtful with your posts before making some wild comment about burning up cables, etc. Someone here might think you know what you're talking about. In which you say You don't know what you're talking about which is pretty harsh since I agree that trying to start the car with normal lightweight jumper cables at best probably isn't going to work and at worst is going to burn through the cables and possibly start a fire... -Curt Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D Message-ID: 1378311128.87060.yahoomail...@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mike, I don't assume someone is stupid.? If you re-read your comment, the one I reacted to, you will find you offer nothing positive, and that the post itself only inserts a modicum of fear about the test.? In essence, you attack the concept offered by someone as being asinine.? If you want to offer some constructive suggestions, fine.? If you want to run around screaming the sky is falling, it does no one any good.? Plain and simple. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
What kind of claim is this??? Jumper cables are like welding cable. At least good ones are. The two batteries are running 12 volts float. There is little likelihood of anything other than minor charging going on between the two batteries, since he said he's disconnecting the 'good' vehicles cabling. This is nothing more than jump starting the car as far as the cables are concerned. Nothing is going to burn up here. In fact, what will probably happen is the alternator will begin charging the newly introduced battery since the questionable one was run dry, thus has a high resistance cell eliminating the ability for the battery to be charged by the alternator. He's looking for 13.7 out of the alternator which is correct, and should be achieved if A) the alternator is capable of charging, and B) the battery is able to be charged. It's a simple test, takes seconds, and is accurate. It can be done in business clothes. It eliminates or proves half of the A) and B) above. There is no chance of meltdown or fire any more than there is during any jump start situation. Please be accurate and thoughtful with your posts before making some wild comment about burning up cables, etc. Someone here might think you know what you're talking about. From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D If you are saying you are going to use your jumper cables in between the 240 battery and the 300 cables and starter yhen you better have a big set of cables. Like welding cable. Otherwise you will burn them up and not answer your question. Better to just swap out the batteries and see if the issue follows the battery from the 300. Mike On Sep 3, 2013 2:21 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's a good idea, Richard. I'll put the 240D and the 300D side by side and jumper with all the cables off. I know the 240D battery is good. Batteries are both group 49. Thanks, Gerry From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com Like everybody else has said, please change the battery before you go to all that trouble. You could even just use some jumper cables and clamp another one in parallel to the toasted one to prove your point. Much easier than messing with regulators and drill presses (c: Thanks to Rick, Richard, and Loren for your advice; and to Fred for the connector which arrived in good order. Going to wire it up and try it again. If the connector wasn't the problem, will put a good regulator in and try it. If that doesn't work, will chuck the 3 used alternators in the drill press one at a time and try the half dozen regulators (hooked to the 12 volt shop battery) until I find a good combination. If that doesn't work, I'll assume that the battery, (which had boiled out most of its water in one cell), is at fault and get FLAPS to put in a new battery which they agree to do at my option. Gerrymostly talking to myself __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Like everybody else has said, please change the battery before you go to all that trouble. You could even just use some jumper cables and clamp another one in parallel to the toasted one to prove your point. Much easier than messing with regulators and drill presses (c: From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D Thanks to Rick, Richard, and Loren for your advice; and to Fred for the connector which arrived in good order. Going to wire it up and try it again. If the connector wasn't the problem, will put a good regulator in and try it. If that doesn't work, will chuck the 3 used alternators in the drill press one at a time and try the half dozen regulators (hooked to the 12 volt shop battery) until I find a good combination. If that doesn't work, I'll assume that the battery, (which had boiled out most of its water in one cell), is at fault and get FLAPS to put in a new battery which they agree to do at my option. Gerrymostly talking to myself From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Sorry to interrupt this ongoing discussion about Rusty and Trent and Gary, but I have a question about the alternator on my '83 300D. There are three wires coming out of the alternator. Service Manual SM-1243 shows that the two heavy wires, same color, are common inside the alternator. It also shows that these two wires terminate at a buss bar on the right rear inside front fender. This seems unusual having two common wires originating and terminating between the alternator and buss. The only explanation I can think of is that MB is dividing up the 60 amp load between two wires instead of having one larger wire. The manual also shows the battery connected to this buss but doesn't show where. Can someone tell me where the wire from the buss to the battery connects to the positive battery cable so I can check it's continuity and clean the connection? With the key on run there is 12v on all three wires to the alternator. With the key off, there is no voltage on the small green wire and still 12v to the other two heavy wires. It is a new alternator, but it still doesn't show 13.7v when engine is running 600 to 1200 rpm. Also, where is the ground strap from the frame to the engine/transmission? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6132 - Release Date: 09/02/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
He never said his car wouldn't start. He said the alternator won't charge. And there is an opinion that the battery is the culprit. If the car is hard starting too, then he has to use real jumper cables. Nothing else changes. Geeze, you guys are a bunch of alarmists. Well, one or two of you anyway... Sure, he can swap the batteries if he wants to. Fine. My point is that it's an easy check to see if the battery is the issue, and to not wait until after he's tried three regulators and set up an alternator test bench with a drill press to sort out the culprit. And if he does it as I described, he'll already have it done while you guys are all standing around kibitzing about how it wont work for this or that reason. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D Ever try to start a car where the battery in the car is dead? It takes a helluva lot of current to get a car started. Normal battery cables are so short they don't have to be all that thick. Now you want to run from one car to another your cables have to be thick to make up for the distance. I'm sure theres a rule that explains how thick for the distance. Mercedes diesels in particular take a ton of power to get started, theres a reason the battery is a grp 49. Most jumper cables are garbage, like 4ga. I've got a set of good ones that are 0ga that were like $90 and are heavy. People joke when they see them but they'll haul a lot of power. One time jumping a co-worker's car I didn't have my cables so we put my 240D with some wimpy cables somebody had and nothing happened. We waited and waited and got nowhere other than the cables got warm. Got another set of wimpy cables from somebody else and waited around when the second set was warm too the car started... -Curt Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D Message-ID: 1378242281.77663.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 What kind of claim is this??? Jumper cables are like welding cable.? At least good ones are.? The two batteries are running 12 volts float.? There is little likelihood of anything other than minor charging going on between the two batteries, since he said he's disconnecting the 'good' vehicles cabling. This is nothing more than jump starting the car as far as the cables are concerned.? Nothing is going to burn up here. In fact, what will probably happen is the alternator will begin charging the newly introduced battery since the questionable one was run dry, thus has a high resistance cell eliminating the ability for the battery to be charged by the alternator.? He's looking for 13.7 out of the alternator which is correct, and should be achieved if A) the alternator is capable of charging, and B) the battery is able to be charged.? It's a simple test, takes seconds, and is accurate.? It can be done in business clothes.? It eliminates or proves half of the A) and B) above. There is no chance of meltdown or fire any more than there is during any jump start situation. Please be accurate and thoughtful with your posts before making some wild comment about burning up cables, etc.? Someone here might think you know what you're talking about. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
OK, it's not a good idea to remove a battery from a turning alternator. So this is not a good plan. I was thinking more along the idea of disconnecting the 240 battery from it's car ( pull the cables off ) then jumping the 240 battery over to the 300. The 240 battery is still in the car but not connected to the car. If you have no issue starting the 300, it starts easlily with the questionable battery, then I'm thinking it's not the battery that's at the root of your charging issue. From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D I do have heavy cables but won't be using them to start the 300D. I'll start the 300D with its battery and then disconnect it and hook the 300D cables to the jumpers and the other end of the jumpers to the disconnected 240D battery. There will probably be a voltage drop but I should be able to see if the alternator is charging. Does that make sense? Gerry From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com If you are saying you are going to use your jumper cables in between the 240 battery and the 300 cables and starter yhen you better have a big set of cables. Like welding cable. Otherwise you will burn them up and not answer your question. Better to just swap out the batteries and see if the issue follows the battery from the 300. Mike On Sep 3, 2013 2:21 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's a good idea, Richard. I'll put the 240D and the 300D side by side and jumper with all the cables off. I know the 240D battery is good. Batteries are both group 49. Thanks, Gerry From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com Like everybody else has said, please change the battery before you go to all that trouble. You could even just use some jumper cables and clamp another one in parallel to the toasted one to prove your point. Much easier than messing with regulators and drill presses (c: Thanks to Rick, Richard, and Loren for your advice; and to Fred for the connector which arrived in good order. Going to wire it up and try it again. If the connector wasn't the problem, will put a good regulator in and try it. If that doesn't work, will chuck the 3 used alternators in the drill press one at a time and try the half dozen regulators (hooked to the 12 volt shop battery) until I find a good combination. If that doesn't work, I'll assume that the battery, (which had boiled out most of its water in one cell), is at fault and get FLAPS to put in a new battery which they agree to do at my option. Gerrymostly talking to myself __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6136 - Release Date: 09/03/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
If an alternator acted as a simple supply of E in said equation, then yes, this is true. One could also insert an R with a value of 0 and have the alternator provide infinite charge. However, an alternator actually depends on the battery for excitation of its field windings, and a battery with a high resistance cell will normally cause the alternator to not charge. From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D Richard wrote: In fact, what will probably happen is the alternator will begin charging the newly introduced battery since the questionable one was run dry, thus has a high resistance cell eliminating the ability for the battery to be charged by the alternator. If the battery has high resistance, then it will be even easier for the alternator to achieve 13.6 V. If the resistance is _low_, then it could have trouble supplying the necessary current. Ohms law and all that. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Android Email
Hey Luther, when you go tablet shopping, look carefully at the Acer Chromebook. It's under 200 bux and runs rings around my wife's tablet. From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Android Email Download an app that's not Google. Google's email is designed to handle threaded view expecting that you will open up the quoted text. Boomerang Android app is in beta and I've suggested the quote feature. See http://boomerangandroid.uservoice.com/forums/212277-general/suggestions/4385580-quote-allow-us-to-select-a-specific-section-to-qu I'll be getting a tablet soon, and would also like to see this feature. Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (170,xxx mi) On 9/3/2013 8:38 PM, rickknoble wrote: I would love to use my tablet for email more often, but I have no clue how to do quoted text in replying to emails. Does anyone have any tips? I now know how Max struggled with email on his Android phone. Guess I'll be sticking with the iPhone or maybe a BlackBerry Z10. Rick Knoble Sent from My Samsung tablet ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Yep, slipsies might introduce more questions than answers. Just make the 240D bare posts, and set up the jumpers. If you get 13.7 when the 300 D is running, then look at the battery in the 300D closer. You really don't have to disconnect the 300D battery to make the test. I think you are going to see 12.7 with both batteries. But then you've scratched off one of the tests you wanted to run pretty early in the game. Did the new connector help any?? I've never changed one. I was thinking it was a molded plug on the end of some wires, but it's been 8 years since I've looked at one. From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:37:46 -0400 Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: .. What I thought about doing was putting the jumpers between the batteries just like I was jumpstarting the car. Then I start the car with the questionable battery/alternator. Leaving the negative jumper attached to the negative cable on the questionable battery, I remove the negative cable from that battery and wrap plastic around it to insulate it. That way the alternator is attached only to the good battery in the other car. If the meter sees 13.7v, the alternator should be good and the questionable battery identified as being the problem. I have negative to negative and positive to positive with the questionable battery out of the picture. Wouldn't that work? Yes, that would work. But what if you slip? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Answers among the questions From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 9:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D Sorry to interrupt this ongoing discussion about Rusty and Trent and Gary, but I have a question about the alternator on my '83 300D. There are three wires coming out of the alternator. Service Manual SM-1243 shows that the two heavy wires, same color, are common inside the alternator. It also shows that these two wires terminate at a buss bar on the right rear inside front fender. This seems unusual having two common wires originating and terminating between the alternator and buss. The only explanation I can think of is that MB is dividing up the 60 amp load between two wires instead of having one larger wire. This is the reason The manual also shows the battery connected to this buss but doesn't show where. Go to the fender ( passenger ) and look under the air cleaner/turbo stuff. There is a block there as you describe. Has a few wires on it. Includes the alternator and the feed to the soleniod coil on the starter if I am not mistaken... Seems like I could always find a way to crank the engine for valve sets there. Now there will be another lead that goes to the battery, probably hooking to the starter battery post but not sure. You have to trace it, physically. Can someone tell me where the wire from the buss to the battery connects to the positive battery cable so I can check it's continuity and clean the connection? Sorry, see above, I got carried away.. With the key on run there is 12v on all three wires to the alternator. With the key off, there is no voltage on the small green wire and still 12v to the other two heavy wires. It is a new alternator, but it still doesn't show 13.7v when engine is running 600 to 1200 rpm. The smaller wire is what feeds the light on the dash IIRC. So no ignition, no circuit. The alternator sounds a bit bad. It has a built in regulator, and should pop right up to 13.7 when you spin it up. What does it show?? Does it move up at all? Also, where is the ground strap from the frame to the engine/transmission?]] Again, IIRC, it's under the driver's right foot, so to speak. Braid/strap arrangement. Pretty obvious when you climb under there for a look. If the car is cranking OK, then it's probably OK too, since that's the return for the starter current. Be sure to check/replace all the fuses .. ( bless you Marshall, we miss you (c: ) Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD available
Yeah, but comming from where you live it was probably a rust bucket ... From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD available I saw an identical car with working ac etc here for $2500. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Sold! I actually sold it to another guy from Germany who is visiting this week. So it goes from a German working in the US to a German in Germany. Its going back home to Stuttgart. Jaime On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, Here is the ad for the 300SD I mentioned in the past: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4028189435.html Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD available
I made it too subtle... From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD available We do not have rust here. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Yeah, but comming from where you live it was probably a rust bucket ... From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD available I saw an identical car with working ac etc here for $2500. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Sold! I actually sold it to another guy from Germany who is visiting this week. So it goes from a German working in the US to a German in Germany. Its going back home to Stuttgart. Jaime On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, Here is the ad for the 300SD I mentioned in the past: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4028189435.html Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 108
Rented a Toyota Corolla the other day for a trip while the wife's car was in the shop. It was one of the 'Sport' models. That thing was a rocketship compared to any older MB I've owned. Course most of my stuff was diesels, but did have a coupla M110 engines in my career. The little nippon car handled like it was on rails, and although it did not see 100 mph, it did see 40 mpg with great flair (c: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108 i guess it is heresy, but cars are s powerful and fast today which is odd as in much of the USA, driving fast is a thing of the past. gone are the days of getting clocked and triple digit speeds and paying 100 bucks for it On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Off with his head! On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: compared to a modern powerful engine, they are all a joke On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:11 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes the 4.5 is quite the beast. My brother had a 280SE 4.5 and shit that thing was fast! Can even imagine what a 6.3 would be like. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: It's almost twice as big and gets about the same milage -- 3.23 gears instead of 3.88, uses less fuel. I suspect at 4.5 can be safely tuned to get around 18 on the highway if you use only premium. No comparison in terms of power, the 4.5 is a real beast. Factory specs are 9.5 sec 0-60, and most of that is on the fast end. It's actually a pain to drive on the open road, it keeps wanting to go faster and it's necessary to keep lifting your foot to stay near the speed limit. Top speed is 125 for the 4.5 and 118 for the sixes, although if you are brave you can push them faster. You will wear the cylinders out pretty fast if you do (as in a couple runs). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
But in this line of thought, the MB 300CD was a collectible as well, only 5K made. Yet they are dogs on Craigslist, and for 20K you can have a stable full. From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity. What other vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice shape? There really was less than 9k of them made. This is not the much more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of. It is a true collectors piece. Mike Mike On Aug 30, 2013 3:04 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my kinda car
My dying words will come in less than one decade if history serves correctly, and they will be more along the line of 'does anyone have a good microbrew handy?' .. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car give it time. back in the 80s, minis in england and bugs in CA would sell for a couple of hundred bucks in usable condition. both are worth real money today as i mentioned, toyota starlets and even chevettes are worth money today in a decade or two, the 300CD will be a valuable collectable and your dying words will be i coulda had one for 2 grand and it was nice too! On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: But in this line of thought, the MB 300CD was a collectible as well, only 5K made. Yet they are dogs on Craigslist, and for 20K you can have a stable full. From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car The Jeepster has quite a cult following due to it's rarity. What other vehicle could you get for 20 big ones that is as rare and in such nice shape? There really was less than 9k of them made. This is not the much more common Jeepster Commando that they made thousands and thousands of. It is a true collectors piece. Mike Mike On Aug 30, 2013 3:04 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ctd/3990826426.html -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?
I guess I live under a rock. What phone company does not supply free long distance service to home phones now?? From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] parts site? On Aug 27, 2013 7:26 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I find toll free numbers very helpful. I can make a free call from my home land line. Ditto. Not everyone uses their cell phone for everything--at home I don't get very good reception, so I use the land line. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] parts site?
So why don't you put in a wireless router? Only cat cable I have in my house is the run from the cable modem to the wireless router. Almost everything else runs on wi-fi. I say 'almost' because I do have a cell phone system that requires connection to the internet, and it is hard wired to the router. My server is also hard wired, but only because the router sits on top of it. Laptops, a desktop, all the pads, and my TV all run on wireless. I thought this was more common than free long distance. I guess that living in the woods in Smallsbury, 65 miles from the nearest 250,000 'city' is not so bad ?? From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] parts site? Kaleb wrote: So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of having to run cat5? Yes - but you spend money on the equipment - and being electronics it has a much higher failure rate than copper wire. So - save time and effort (over power) or money (CATx cable). You pick. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning
R-12 is available if you're interested. Remove the [MBZ] from the subject line and drop me an email if you wish. From: Michael Esh michael...@mac.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning The coldest temp I could get from my system was 42 degrees from the outside vents. I get no flow from the center vents. Is this caused by the failure of the center vacuum pod. Is there a way to replace this pod without pulling the dash? Is the industrial R-12 available to a certified mechanic? Can I get it? Can I switch back to R-12 from 134a? Is there a write up on changing back R-12? Thanks, Mike On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jon Agne wrote: SorryI am late to this thread, but I just did all of this. My R-4 bit the dust last November, so I put it off until the spring, and decided to use ES-12 as my refrigerant. Bought a new Behr (made by that same company in Dallas) compressor from FCP Euro along with a new drier and expansion valve. I ran out of time in late May, so I took it to my local INDY and had him remove all of the aforementioned parts and do a compete flush. It worked great for three weeks, and then the compressor imploded. Compressor was replaced under warranty, and they even sent me another drier. Another flush, and this time I used the Industrial ES-12. Followed the directions, and I have had the BEST cooling for the best 2.5 months. I'm in Atlanta now, and I feel great in my car. Hope it all works out for you. Jon On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: those e are the ones to get , gerry. they are arguably the real delcos, at least i would argue so. nobody really sells them on the online front end catalogs as az sells the sort of OK behr's for 250 and you can't sell these for that price as they cost about that wholesale. just another example of hhow the chase for low prices yields the poorest value On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW? Bought one from Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor bought about the same time. Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com i think i can manage that. you maybe have been put into clown parts or maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on. without speculating on that, i'll send you some info privately On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again. I put a new unit in 2 years ago with new dryer and expansion valve. This was done by a professional. not me. Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing? Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion valve for a reasonable price? Thanks, Mike __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3211/6113 - Release Date: 08/27/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.
My point was that you can do all of the fancy expensive stuff in your driveway with minimal tools. Pump timing is a piece of tubing and a flashlight. Pump pressure is a spare injector and rerouting one of the pieces of injection tubing in your car so you can watch the spray pattern in a jar. Or you can use one of your injectors if you don't have a spare, but please cover the open cylinder with a heavy rag to keep soot out of your face. You can also do a very good analysis of injectors with the the re-routed tube and a jar with cardboard in it. From: Michael Esh michael...@mac.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle. Imagine this: Advanced Diesel Systems Inc Be the first to review (231) 893-3306 9790 US Highway 31, Montague, MI 49437 Please give them a call. They have the Bosch sign on their building. On Aug 24, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check would be prohibitively expensive. It's actually a very educational test to do, and at least some of us have 'homebrew' drip tubes laying around to do it with. Not hard at all to make. Professionals have the Snap On timing light that feels the tubing pulse, watches the crank rotation, and flashes up data on what's going on. As easy to check as spark timing. From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle. No. I mean slowly, manually turning the crank shaft (while watching valves to verify #1 approaching TDC of compression) to establish crank angle where fuel starts to well up on top of #1 delivery valve or fuel begins to drip from drip tube (or one of the other methods, like bubble). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mike Esh Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle. If you mean taking them to an authorized Bosch shop, then no. I tried this at our local Bosch shop and he said the cost would prohibitive and that I should just have it rebuilt or buy a rebuilt. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Aug 24, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mike: Delighted with the final result. Two bad used IPs most unusual by all accounts. Question: was there ever a real injection timing check on either of the bad used replacement IPs? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mike Esh Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Amy Renouf; brandonren...@mac.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle. Time to celebrate! My 84 300D is back on the road. For those who did not follow the story, I had hard starting issues for the last 3 summers, yes, only in the summers. Help from this list determined that my injection pump was wearing out. The pump finally gave up completely and I picked up a used pump from Mitch and had a local mechanic install it. He could not get the car to run properly with that pump or another used pump I picked up locally. I spent over a month becoming very frustrated, angry and doubting the abilities of of my mechanic while working with him to try and get the the car running correctly. There were many helpful messages and suggestions from the list. However, the car would start and idle correctly but It would belch black smoke and had no power when going down the road. After much deliberation the mechanic and I decided to purchase a new/rebuilt pump. The claim was that all internals were new, only the case was used. Basically a new pump. The surprise was the cost to me would be only $425.00. At that price(seems extremely cheap) I was very nervous and worried about whether or not to continue down an already risky and getting to be expensive path. I had already paid him the $600.00 he quoted me for removing and installing the used pumps. At any rate we order it, install it, and wonder of wonders, the pump worked perfectly and now the car starts and runs better than ever. Cost to install new pump was $895.00 which included the new pump, labor and miscellaneous gaskets and such. So the total cost of the project was $1595.00 which includes the cost of the used pumps. All in all, I am happy to be able to continue driving my Mercedes for many more miles using diesel fuel and waste vegetable oil. If I can get
Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts ban
Will someone define bandwidth for me, please. -- I agree w/ Rich: Kleb, it would be beneficial to all to just shut off his email. It would also be beneficial if folks paid some attention to I-net etiquette and not copy/paste the entire previous conversation(s) on the subject as all you're doing is using up bandwidth. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.
I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check would be prohibitively expensive. It's actually a very educational test to do, and at least some of us have 'homebrew' drip tubes laying around to do it with. Not hard at all to make. Professionals have the Snap On timing light that feels the tubing pulse, watches the crank rotation, and flashes up data on what's going on. As easy to check as spark timing. From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle. No. I mean slowly, manually turning the crank shaft (while watching valves to verify #1 approaching TDC of compression) to establish crank angle where fuel starts to well up on top of #1 delivery valve or fuel begins to drip from drip tube (or one of the other methods, like bubble). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mike Esh Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle. If you mean taking them to an authorized Bosch shop, then no. I tried this at our local Bosch shop and he said the cost would prohibitive and that I should just have it rebuilt or buy a rebuilt. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Aug 24, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mike: Delighted with the final result. Two bad used IPs most unusual by all accounts. Question: was there ever a real injection timing check on either of the bad used replacement IPs? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mike Esh Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Amy Renouf; brandonren...@mac.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle. Time to celebrate! My 84 300D is back on the road. For those who did not follow the story, I had hard starting issues for the last 3 summers, yes, only in the summers. Help from this list determined that my injection pump was wearing out. The pump finally gave up completely and I picked up a used pump from Mitch and had a local mechanic install it. He could not get the car to run properly with that pump or another used pump I picked up locally. I spent over a month becoming very frustrated, angry and doubting the abilities of of my mechanic while working with him to try and get the the car running correctly. There were many helpful messages and suggestions from the list. However, the car would start and idle correctly but It would belch black smoke and had no power when going down the road. After much deliberation the mechanic and I decided to purchase a new/rebuilt pump. The claim was that all internals were new, only the case was used. Basically a new pump. The surprise was the cost to me would be only $425.00. At that price(seems extremely cheap) I was very nervous and worried about whether or not to continue down an already risky and getting to be expensive path. I had already paid him the $600.00 he quoted me for removing and installing the used pumps. At any rate we order it, install it, and wonder of wonders, the pump worked perfectly and now the car starts and runs better than ever. Cost to install new pump was $895.00 which included the new pump, labor and miscellaneous gaskets and such. So the total cost of the project was $1595.00 which includes the cost of the used pumps. All in all, I am happy to be able to continue driving my Mercedes for many more miles using diesel fuel and waste vegetable oil. If I can get another 100,000 miles from it before it rusts away I will be extremely happy. Original cost of the car was $600.00. And other than paint, tires, shocks, rubber bits, front suspension, motor mounts, transmission mounts, rear end mount, drive shaft center support bearing, climate control unit, a/c compressor times 2, radiator, wvo system, drive shaft flex joints, rebuilt injectors, subframe bushings, one rear axle and boots, and a cruise control amplifier this is my first major expense. Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahha (me laughing crazily). Good thing I love my Mercedes diesel. Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 30, 2013, at 04:06 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I know Mike said new OEM. But $600 sounds awful cheap for a new Bosch IP. A new Doowan (Zexel clone) IP for my 4-cylinder Korean tractor is $1200-1500 and that pump is just the top end of the Mercedes pump (the IP cam is integral to the block). So I'd be inclined to ask a few more questions before going for a new IP. But I'd
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wind Power from aerodynamic flutter
Does look neat. I think of the sound made by my nylon ratchet straps on a trailerload of stuff if I forget to put some turns in the strap.. you'd think there was a giant hummingbird behind me (c: From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wind Power from aerodynamic flutter On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:22:57 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://video.popularmechanics.com/services/player/bcpid1214137061?bctid=1233395616 Veeeyyy Intesting. He mentions about having a mylar belt spanning a valley. That would be a good idea except for the noise the belt will emit. People now complain about the noise from a wind turbine -- the noise from a belt across a valley would be much worse. Craig _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
