Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-15 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Jim wrote: > > I prefer to use my pressure bleeder for just this reason if > > possible. > > The beautiful part about using the brakes is that you never > under/over-fill the brake reservoir. . > Fast, cheap, and easy. It is pretty clever. I have always used a pump to put fluid in at the

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: > Nothing is bubbling up by itself. You are _pumping_ the brakes, which > is pumping fluid down from the reservoir, through the brake cylinders, > and back up (to the reservoir) by way of the clutch cylinders. Any > air bubbles (to the top) of the reservoir, but

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It should, however, you are trying to push the air down, and it want's to go up. If you use the brake bleeder method, the air is moving the way it's naturally wants to go. You have a better chance of success the first time, UNLESS you push the brake pedal too far and tear up the cups in the master

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
It just seems to me like with pressure applied to the brake reservoir I could crack open the bleed screw on the slave cylinder and it would bleed the air out just like it would with a brake caliper. On 5/14/2020 8:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Same. I would never bleed brakes the

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I prefer to use my pressure bleeder for just this reason if possible. The beautiful part about using the brakes is that you never under/over-fill the brake reservoir. All the fluid just circulates, and the level only goes down by the amount of air that ultimately gets displaced. Which is

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Same. I would never bleed brakes the old "pump the pedal" way if I had the option to use a pressure bleeder. Just makes it so easy and foolproof. Unfortunately the reservoir caps are not standard and my pressure bleeder has only been usable on my MB and VW cars. Maybe they are standard in Germany.

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I prefer to use my pressure bleeder for just this reason if possible. On 5/14/2020 7:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Pump carefully and don’t push the pedal all the way to the floor. That way you don’t risk tearing up the cups in the master cylinder. -D On May 14, 2020, at 7:42 PM, OK

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Craig via Mercedes writes: >> Where does the air go? Does it bubble back up to the reservoir? > > Yes, it has to. Still having trouble visualizing how this works. If I have air in my brake lines, I have to bleed it out through the bleed valves at the wheels. It does not migrate up and out

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 14 May 2020 20:13:00 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: > > > one of the bleed screws on the front brakes. > > Is there more than one? There are two: One on the left front brake and one on the right front brake. > > Then you just pump the

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
>> one of the bleed screws on the front brakes. > Is there more than one? Two wheels, two bleed screws. Nearly equidistant, but I'd probably pick the one on the brake booster side. The total length of piping would be less. > Where does the air go? Does it bubble back up to the reservoir? Yup.

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: > one of the bleed screws on the front brakes. Is there more than one? > Then you just pump the brakes until all the air is out, then close > both bleed screws. Where does the air go? Does it bubble back up to the reservoir? Allan

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Pump carefully and don’t push the pedal all the way to the floor. That way you don’t risk tearing up the cups in the master cylinder. -D > On May 14, 2020, at 7:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think I remember that as well, now that you mention it. > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:32

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I think I remember that as well, now that you mention it. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:32 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > IIRC, the official shop procedure is to connect a hose between the clutch > bleeder on > the slave cylinder and one of the bleed screws on the front

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
IIRC, the official shop procedure is to connect a hose between the clutch bleeder on the slave cylinder and one of the bleed screws on the front brakes. Then you just pump the brakes until all the air is out, then close both bleed screws. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I found it better to connect to the bleeder valve on the slave cyl, and pump fluid up to the master cyl, but don't remember if I did that on the W123 clutch or not. I'm pretty sure that we did with the W201 clutch. Access can be a problem. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:23 PM Kaleb Striplin via

[MBZ] 123 clutch

2020-05-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I pulled this 81 240D I acquired into the shop to get it going. Currently clutch is dead and just goes to the floor.  I assume I want to first try seeing if the slave cylinder is leaking, then maybe try bleeding it?  Followed by replacement.  So the question is I have never worked on a clutch