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MA is really 3 states, theres the area on the coast, including Boston, then Central MA with the old factories and whatnot. Then theres the mostly rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:57:54 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: 964ad7fc-b764-4031-8299-bf1436725...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I knew that. Never been west of 495, although I always want to check out that part of the state. I never had the time when I was there, which was always business related Dan On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west in MA. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's where James Taylor lives... I was just interested in seeing the Berkshires, that's all. Other that going north, like to Nashua, I have never been beyond 495. Dan On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: MA is really 3 states, theres the area on the coast, including Boston, then Central MA with the old factories and whatnot. Then theres the mostly rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:57:54 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: 964ad7fc-b764-4031-8299-bf1436725...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I knew that. Never been west of 495, although I always want to check out that part of the state. I never had the time when I was there, which was always business related Dan On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west in MA. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6, My '60 Falcon has the 144 I6. Prior to the Albatross it set my definition of 'underpowered', though with the 3-speed manual it's not really that bad. It'll definitely maintain speed in places where the Albatross could not. I've even pulled 30MPG in it a couple of times! (Cross-State college trips.) Usually more like 22, IIRC. Carries six people, too, but it's a whole lot less peppy if you do. My Frankenheap rarely gets highway time, but last week I drove up to one of the local ski hills (a school outing) which is a couple of hours away. The car did well, it was a real pleasure to drive, and not at all slow. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I like granola, too. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow MA is really 3 states, theres the area on the coast, including Boston, then Central MA with the old factories and whatnot. Then theres the mostly rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:57:54 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: 964ad7fc-b764-4031-8299-bf1436725...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I knew that. Never been west of 495, although I always want to check out that part of the state. I never had the time when I was there, which was always business related Dan On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west in MA. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: Then theres the mostly rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters. My amerika!! I wanna move there with my 3-pedal 240D. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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JimC wrote: ...but last week I drove up to one of the local ski hills (a school outing) You are an educator? I thought you were an engineer? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You know I drive one 110 miles a day right? C'mon out, tour historic New England... -Curt Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:54:00 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: calk3cy6wmeemmfonyfbg_uyx5o0zpoqgwny8oy3qnubhqwh...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Then theres the mostly rural west with its hippies and other assorted granola eaters. My amerika!! I wanna move there with my 3-pedal 240D. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: You know I drive one 110 miles a day right? C'mon out, tour historic New England... All I need is a reason that might turn to income perhaps?... somehow. My '81, RIP except in dieselhead vehicle, was from Manchester. Drove home with one of my sons, stopping by ARRL to see their station, back in '98. We drove late each night and someplace middle of MA we stopped in rural area for pizza. Kid running it showed off his Harley - totally proud of the way it came together and the time/effort he put to it. Fun, memorable trip thru rural Mass. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...but last week I drove up to one of the local ski hills (a school outing) You are an educator? I thought you were an engineer? Friday I was transportation engineer. (Kid's school has no transpo of its own, I take him to school each day. Usually wife does all pickup and field trip duty, but Friday was my turn. Took a day off to do it.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE ___ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ahh the joys of driving a 240D, this brings back lots of memories. Almost makes me want another one so I can revisit my youth. On 2/27/2012 10:07 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE ___ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a safe sporting style. Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall there was a chapter on bias ply tires. hee hee. Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the right amount for the job at hand. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE __**_ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have had plenty of practice over the years. I have had lots of low powered vehicles. My father was always more interested in fuel economy than horsepower and I suppose to a great extent I have followed that route too. I have had a - 64 Anglia with an engine smaller than most motorcycles today, a 65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6, a 67 Chevy half ton truck with a 250 cid 6, a 74 Vega, and a 77 Monarch with a 250 cid 6 - none of which was any peppier than my 115 300D. Randy On 27/02/2012 12:42 PM, E M wrote: Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a safe sporting style. Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall there was a chapter on bias ply tires. hee hee. Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the right amount for the job at hand. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE __**_ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My first car was a 1970 Ford Maverick with the 170 cubic inch plant. Heater and an AM radio were the extent of the creature comforts in that car. Poor thing could hardly get out of its own way. Thank goodness it had a three on the tree and not a slushbox. Dan On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have had plenty of practice over the years. I have had lots of low powered vehicles. My father was always more interested in fuel economy than horsepower and I suppose to a great extent I have followed that route too. I have had a - 64 Anglia with an engine smaller than most motorcycles today, a 65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6, a 67 Chevy half ton truck with a 250 cid 6, a 74 Vega, and a 77 Monarch with a 250 cid 6 - none of which was any peppier than my 115 300D. Randy On 27/02/2012 12:42 PM, E M wrote: Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a safe sporting style. Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall there was a chapter on bias ply tires. hee hee. Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the right amount for the job at hand. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE __**_ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One of my early cars was a Chev Chevette. I remember having to stick a wet finger out the window as I was approaching an on ramp to the highway, to get a wind direction reading. If I got a head wind, I knew merging was going to be a white knuckle affair! Having a passenger along in that car was always a bonus though. I could get them to stick one leg out the door, to help out when overtaking. ;-) hee hee. Ed 300E On 27 February 2012 14:37, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have had plenty of practice over the years. I have had lots of low powered vehicles. My father was always more interested in fuel economy than horsepower and I suppose to a great extent I have followed that route too. I have had a - 64 Anglia with an engine smaller than most motorcycles today, a 65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6, a 67 Chevy half ton truck with a 250 cid 6, a 74 Vega, and a 77 Monarch with a 250 cid 6 - none of which was any peppier than my 115 300D. Randy On 27/02/2012 12:42 PM, E M wrote: Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a safe sporting style. Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall there was a chapter on bias ply tires. hee hee. Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the right amount for the job at hand. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE ___ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy ___ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. I've never driven a W123 240D, but my automatic '74 was quite decent; I still use it as my benchmark for getting up one particular hill - haven't optimized the 300D to match it yet. It wasn't an amazing accelerator but it wouldn't make you feel like you were slowing anyone down, either. It would ramp to 80 on the interstate without any trouble, and as fast as normal cars that weren't flooring it. Not sure if it was well-maintained or if I just got lucky, or if there was some dramatic change between the '115s and the '123s, but it certainly didn't resemble the crazy-slow 240Ds I read about here. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do have a 600' elevation change between home and work. MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've never had a serious problem with my car not being fast enough. Somebody said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine. Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:23:58 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: sig.0404a3d1da.4f4bca3e.1080...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ahh the joys of driving a 240D, this brings back lots of memories. Almost makes me want another one so I can revisit my youth. On 2/27/2012 10:07 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE ___ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yabbut you're pretty equally matched considering the vehicle of choice around there used to be a Volvo 240 wagon. Dan (who has driven on I-95 and 128 more times than he would like to recall) On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do have a 600' elevation change between home and work. MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've never had a serious problem with my car not being fast enough. Somebody said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine. Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:23:58 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: sig.0404a3d1da.4f4bca3e.1080...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ahh the joys of driving a 240D, this brings back lots of memories. Almost makes me want another one so I can revisit my youth. On 2/27/2012 10:07 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE ___ I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? - then drop back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are. However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left turn at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/02/2012 3:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do have a 600' elevation change between home and work. MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've never had a serious problem with my car not being fast enough. Somebody said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine. Curt Hey the land is pretty flat around here. I am fine driving it south to Grand Forks ND etc. Even on most of the hills in western Manitoba it is not too bad if it is just me in the car. However, when we go to the lake there is often at least 3 of us and the trunk will be full etc. It just seems to have a hard time getting up to highway speed going uphill on the way west out of Kenora. Once we are at cruising speed, no problem. I also don't really find it slow in the city traffic here but we don't have freeways in Winnipeg so not much of an issue of trying to merge up to speed. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In defense of the 240 D, I'll throw in my two cents. To get on the 805 southbound from our house, I have to round a curve going uphill from a city street, so there is little opportunity to pick up speed - even less so when the light at the end of the metering ramp makes you stop just before entering the freeway. Normally, I've been able to get up to almost freeway speed in the short distance it takes to go over two lanes. I'll admit it takes more skill to get a 240 merged properly, and you gotta go through the gears quickly with the accelerator mostly pushed to the floor. Just east of us is a long three to four mile hill gaining maybe (I'm guessing) 700 feet in elevation. It starts out flat, gradually increases in steepness, then levels out at the summit. At the bottom, I try to gain enough speed (about 75 mph) to take me over the top at 55 mph without having to downshift, meanwhile watching out for the Highway Patrol. I'm not always successful, but I do consider this sufficient power for my purposes. This also serves as my Italian Tune-Up. Nevertheless, I avoid following old M-B diesels and old VW's up hills. Jerry 82 240D manual transmission __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6920 (20120227) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west in MA. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:05:38 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: bf706a74-6dbc-4450-8c84-a0cfea816...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yabbut you're pretty equally matched considering the vehicle of choice around there used to be a Volvo 240 wagon. Dan (who has driven on I-95 and 128 more times than he would like to recall) On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do have a 600' elevation change between home and work. MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've never had a serious problem with my car not being fast enough. Somebody said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine. Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jerry Herrman wrote: At the bottom, I try to gain enough speed (about 75 mph) to take me over the top at 55 mph without having to downshift, meanwhile watching out for the Highway Patrol. I'm not always successful, but I do consider this sufficient power for my purposes. This also serves as my Italian Tune-Up. The engine cleaning is most effective with max power and max RPM. So what I would do with the same hill is slow down a bit as approaching, downshift into 3rd as it gets steep and floor it. The goal being requiring maximum power at an RPM just under where the governer starts to limit the fuel. Not that doing it your way doesn't help, it's just the engine is well short of the RPM limit. if you stay in 4th. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jerry wrote: In defense of the 240 D... My current '84 euro 240D 3-pedal is definitely more nimble than my old, still living at Dieselhead '81 240D 3-pedal. That makes a noticeable difference and enjoyment driving. Sometimes as I hold the pedal steady, it seems the engine wants to go faster until I let off a bit - a nice experience, although small. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I knew that. Never been west of 495, although I always want to check out that part of the state. I never had the time when I was there, which was always business related Dan On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west in MA. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:05:38 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: bf706a74-6dbc-4450-8c84-a0cfea816...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yabbut you're pretty equally matched considering the vehicle of choice around there used to be a Volvo 240 wagon. Dan (who has driven on I-95 and 128 more times than he would like to recall) On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do have a 600' elevation change between home and work. MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've never had a serious problem with my car not being fast enough. Somebody said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine. Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It also helps if you can keep it at full output for a longish time. Like my 80mph run home tonight. I'd noticed that my 240D was getting a little pokey. I suspect our low quality diesel builds up schmutz in the fuel system. Last Saturday I put half a can (all I had but supposedly enough to treat 50 gallons) of Diesel Kleen in a quarter tank of fuel. I've already noticed a change in the engine, it lopes less and starts easier. Now I need to get a couple quarts of purge from Rusty and do that plus filters... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:25:38 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow Message-ID: 20120227202538.2867f895.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jerry Herrman wrote: At the bottom, I try to gain enough speed (about 75 mph) to take me over the top at 55 mph without having to downshift, meanwhile watching out for the Highway Patrol. I'm not always successful, but I do consider this sufficient power for my purposes. This also serves as my Italian Tune-Up. The engine cleaning is most effective with max power and max RPM. So what I would do with the same hill is slow down a bit as approaching, downshift into 3rd as it gets steep and floor it. The goal being requiring maximum power at an RPM just under where the governer starts to limit the fuel. Not that doing it your way doesn't help, it's just the engine is well short of the RPM limit. if you stay in 4th. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State... And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
