Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I've had good experiences with Goodyear in the past, which was why I had them 
on the car recently. The only mistake was buying them from Dead Sam's.  I have 
to assume they were Dead Sam spec tires as opposed to their main line brand.

When we returned to Florida in 2010 and I was making barely $11/hour just to 
get back in the school system, the youngest boy's 2005 Ford Focus needed tires 
badly. I put a set of Tires Plus' house brand (Primewell) on the car for a 
little over $200. We got nearly 40k miles out of them.

Dan

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On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Kleb sez: I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin
>> 
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> 
> Almost every michelin I've had slipped belts.  In my experience they are 
> worth nowhere near the money.
> Same with badyear, except the Quantum came with a set of high end goodyears 
> that were very good tires.We wore em out.  Generals have been ok summer 
> tires, but terrible (scary) on snow.
> 
> I know other have had bad experience with German Continentals, but I'd had 
> very good experiences with German made tires, and also with the french Kleber.
> 
> I had one set of Pirellis (made in usa) on the burgundy SDL when I bought it. 
>  All 4 slipped belts within 50  miles on a MBCA event. THAT was a fun ride 
> home!  It was like being on some carnival car with elliptical wheels mounted 
> at an angle.   up and down and sideways, all over the place, all out of 
> phase, and hoping not more than one popped before we got home, 'cause there 
> is only one spare! It was a long slow trip home
> 
> Jokohamas came apart  on I-80 (not hot) and caused $2500 damage to the TE.
> 
> My daughter put cheep chinee tars on the SL because 14" tars were hard to 
> find.  They all slipped belts /bubbled.
> 
> in my experience Merkun and Japanee radial tars seldom wear out, they slip 
> belts or in the case of jokohamas, fly apart and cause a lot of damage.
> 
> Blizzaks have been good.  No problems with any of them.  I've worn out a few 
> sets.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

What's the best oil to use with Michelin tires?

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Max
Charleston SC


Snake oil, of course

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
What's the best oil to use with Michelin tires?

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Kleb sez: I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin

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Almost every michelin I've had slipped belts.  In my experience they 
are worth nowhere near the money.
Same with badyear, except the Quantum came with a set of high end 
goodyears that were very good tires.We wore em out.  Generals 
have been ok summer tires, but terrible (scary) on snow.


I know other have had bad experience with German Continentals, but 
I'd had very good experiences with German made tires, and also with 
the french Kleber.


I had one set of Pirellis (made in usa) on the burgundy SDL when I 
bought it.  All 4 slipped belts within 50  miles on a MBCA event. 
THAT was a fun ride home!  It was like being on some carnival car 
with elliptical wheels mounted at an angle.   up and down and 
sideways, all over the place, all out of phase, and hoping not more 
than one popped before we got home, 'cause there is only one spare! 
It was a long slow trip home


Jokohamas came apart  on I-80 (not hot) and caused $2500 damage to the TE.

My daughter put cheep chinee tars on the SL because 14" tars were 
hard to find.  They all slipped belts /bubbled.


in my experience Merkun and Japanee radial tars seldom wear out, they 
slip belts or in the case of jokohamas, fly apart and cause a lot of 
damage.


Blizzaks have been good.  No problems with any of them.  I've worn 
out a few sets.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The S430 has Michelins on it and they're very nice. 17" beasts, an optional 
tire size for this model.

I checked prices on them and they currently sell for around $175/tire. Ouch.

Dan

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would have to go back and look, but I think one was Goodyear and the other 
> was Bridgestone.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What brand?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
>>> recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different 
>>> big box stores.
>>> 
>>> Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire 
>>> dealer.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Don't know.  How do you test for that?
 
 I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and 
 rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of 
 round" condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the 
 symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
> On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
> Are your tires have a slipped belt?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
The sayams clup tars are built to fail, so you keep coming back. 
Most I got there were replaced in about 20k miles.  I was getting 
tars 2-3 times per year, driving 50k /year in the SDL.


Walmert is likely the same, but we only bought one set of tars there, 
the 13" for #1 Son's 200D 2.4  They were miserable tars. unsafe at 
any speed, as it turned out.  almost no cord in them, so they burst 
easily, terrible rubber, so they wear fast.   Much worse than 
anything I got at Sayams.  I think within a year they were all gone. 
I bought new tars for the junker 300D in Indiana before I drove it 
home, so we put the 14" tars and wheels and hubcaps on the 200D.  It 
was hard to get 13" tars at the time.


I can't remember the brand, but the LAST pair of tars I got from 
Sayams Clup were a directional tar, and we actually wore them out on 
the 124 300D.  I don't think they were high mileage, but at least 
they lasted 6-7 years and didn't come apart or slip belts.


Best tars I've had have been contis made in germany from eurotar in 
NJ, before Continental bought General Tar in the USA.  Actually, all 
the Yurpeen tars I got from Eurotar were good.  I never had a failure 
from any of those tires.  Then eurotire changed hands or something, 
and the prices went wayup and they changed their focus to 
racing/rubber band tires so I quit buying there.  (and it got 
expensive to pay separate mounting/balancing)



I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of 
tires recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased 
at different big box stores.


Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

My thoughts, too.

Wilton

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Are your tires have a slipped belt?

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On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Max,

Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 
E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new 
shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably 
need to change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is 
there anything else I would need to replace?


Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio
1995 E300D

-Original Message- From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM
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Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

'87 300TD, 124.193, 343k miles.  Help me with some diagnosis ideas 
please.
At highway speed, sometimes the steering wheel will shake, most of the 
time

it will not.  Today it would shake during a turn at highway speed, and
turning left or right would make it shake.  Occasionally, on the first
acceleration to highway speed, once I get above 50 mph or so, it will 
shake
while going straight, and then stop after 5 - 10 seconds.  After a 
shaking

episode, the car is fine for the rest of the day.

A few weeks ago I had the car aligned.  I've just installed a set of used
tires on the front axle; these were the best two taken off my '95 sedan a
couple weeks ago.

Paid extra for "Road Force" balancing:

http://www.gsp9700.com/search/findgsp9700.cfm

Most of the front-end components are fairly new and either OE from MB or
"Rusty" parts.  Struts, lower control arm inner bushings, ball joints,
idler arm bushings.  I'm not sure about the steering damper.  The wheel
bearings were checked and packed with fresh grease about 7 years / 40k
miles ago.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would have to go back and look, but I think one was Goodyear and the other 
was Bridgestone.

Dan

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What brand?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
>> recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different 
>> big box stores.
>> 
>> Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know.  How do you test for that?
>>> 
>>> I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling 
>>> it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" 
>>> condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom 
>>> was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>> 
 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
 Are your tires have a slipped belt?
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
easy:  Jack it up and spin the tire.  if it wobbles more than 3/16" 
the tire is bad





max sez: Don't know.  How do you test for that?

I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and 
rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the 
"out of round" condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in 
that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low 
speed.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:

 >Are your tires have a slipped belt?


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
What brand?

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
> recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big 
> box stores.
> 
> Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Don't know.  How do you test for that?
>> 
>> I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling 
>> it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" 
>> condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom was 
>> steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
>>> Are your tires have a slipped belt?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big 
box stores.

Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.

Dan

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't know.  How do you test for that?
> 
> I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling 
> it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" 
> condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom was 
> steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
>> Are your tires have a slipped belt?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Don't know.  How do you test for that?

I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it 
on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" condition 
caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom was steering 
wheel / front end shake at low speed.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Are your tires have a slipped belt?
>


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Are your tires have a slipped belt?

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> On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Max,
> 
> Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 E300D 
> with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new shocks and 
> damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need to change 
> the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there anything else I 
> would need to replace?
> 
> Bob Massmann
> Oregonia, Ohio
> 1995 E300D
> 
> -Original Message- From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM
> To: Mercedes
> Cc: Meade Dillon
> Subject: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes
> 
> '87 300TD, 124.193, 343k miles.  Help me with some diagnosis ideas please.
> At highway speed, sometimes the steering wheel will shake, most of the time
> it will not.  Today it would shake during a turn at highway speed, and
> turning left or right would make it shake.  Occasionally, on the first
> acceleration to highway speed, once I get above 50 mph or so, it will shake
> while going straight, and then stop after 5 - 10 seconds.  After a shaking
> episode, the car is fine for the rest of the day.
> 
> A few weeks ago I had the car aligned.  I've just installed a set of used
> tires on the front axle; these were the best two taken off my '95 sedan a
> couple weeks ago.
> 
> Paid extra for "Road Force" balancing:
> 
> http://www.gsp9700.com/search/findgsp9700.cfm
> 
> Most of the front-end components are fairly new and either OE from MB or
> "Rusty" parts.  Struts, lower control arm inner bushings, ball joints,
> idler arm bushings.  I'm not sure about the steering damper.  The wheel
> bearings were checked and packed with fresh grease about 7 years / 40k
> miles ago.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-02 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Bob,

I haven't dug into my wagon's problem yet, I've been focusing on other problems 
with my '95 sedan.

In my case, I think the "new" tires may be to blame, but I also plan to check 
ball joints and the idler arm bushing.

Inner bushings on the control arm?  I'm sceptical those would cause such a 
shake without also presenting many other problems.

Wheel bearings out of adjustment?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 2, 2015 10:41:06 PM EDT, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Max,
>
>Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95
>E300D 
>with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new
>shocks 
>and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need
>to 
>change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there 
>anything else I would need to replace?
>
>Bob Massmann
>Oregonia, Ohio
>1995 E300D
>


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Max,

Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 
95 E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as 
well a new shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie 
rod. I probably need to change the other side as well as the idler 
arm rubber bush. Is there anything else I would need to replace?


Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio
1995 E300D




 what you named, the parts you have not replaced are suspect, along 
with the center link and upper ball joints.  I'd check the steering 
idler bushing first.  They are rarely checked and often bad.



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-02 Thread Robert Massmann via Mercedes

Max,

Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 E300D 
with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new shocks 
and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably need to 
change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is there 
anything else I would need to replace?


Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio
1995 E300D

-Original Message- 
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM
To: Mercedes
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

'87 300TD, 124.193, 343k miles.  Help me with some diagnosis ideas please.
At highway speed, sometimes the steering wheel will shake, most of the time
it will not.  Today it would shake during a turn at highway speed, and
turning left or right would make it shake.  Occasionally, on the first
acceleration to highway speed, once I get above 50 mph or so, it will shake
while going straight, and then stop after 5 - 10 seconds.  After a shaking
episode, the car is fine for the rest of the day.

A few weeks ago I had the car aligned.  I've just installed a set of used
tires on the front axle; these were the best two taken off my '95 sedan a
couple weeks ago.

Paid extra for "Road Force" balancing:

http://www.gsp9700.com/search/findgsp9700.cfm

Most of the front-end components are fairly new and either OE from MB or
"Rusty" parts.  Struts, lower control arm inner bushings, ball joints,
idler arm bushings.  I'm not sure about the steering damper.  The wheel
bearings were checked and packed with fresh grease about 7 years / 40k
miles ago.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-05-30 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Tires.  Try swapping them around.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-05-29 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

And the steering idler arm bushings

Have you checked the tie rods and drag link for play?  New steering 
damper?  Any of these being loose or worn will cause shakes.


I figure a new set of tie rods, drag link, and steering damper every 
150K miles or so, maybe 200 if you live somewhere with decent 
streets and no pot holes.


Steel belted radials do not always take well to having their 
rotation reversed, either.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-05-29 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Have you checked the tie rods and drag link for play?  New steering  
damper?  Any of these being loose or worn will cause shakes.


I figure a new set of tie rods, drag link, and steering damper every  
150K miles or so, maybe 200 if you live somewhere with decent streets  
and no pot holes.


Steel belted radials do not always take well to having their rotation  
reversed, either.


Peter

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